1) What? the last time I checked, the police don't have the power to teleport, nor raise people from the dead. They aren't "passing the buck", we're just not expecting omnipotence.
2) oh here we go again 'but what about the children'. You know what buddy? I dont have children, and I sure as hell don't like your children either. But for all you breeders out there, every year there are approximately 50x more of your kids killed in car accidents than 'accidental shootings' and a good few other sources combined. Stop wasting yours and my time and start getting cars banned from the roads, those things are a lot more unsafe than any of my guns, which by design *cannot* kill anyone 'accidentally' (though they can kill through operator error). Compare to the yearly amount of car recalls and other issues where mechanical problems and other issues have killed people without even the need for operator error to be involved.
The firearm today is what the crossbow was 600 years ago. if you don't understand the social significance of the crossbow, then this conversation is over for you.
Tomorrow we'll come for your cryptography by the way, that's also a dangerous munition with only one purpose that no responsible law-abiding person has any right to possess either.
By similar measure, I've found that most anti-gun people are:
1. Firmly of the belief that bad things only happen to other people. 2. Convinced that weaponry creates violence, and not the other way around (re: Hoplophobia) 3. Middle-class white people that dislike the idea of social problems invading their gated worldview, where they can't make judgements on them with removed disdain.
you know, I was thinking the whole thing about Maple syrup yesterday, after all, I've never tasted it and never found a use for it, and I consider myself very knowledgeable about syrups, so, I think we should just ban the stuff, and offer people a maple-syrup exchange program, give them high fructose corn syrup in exchange, that stuff seems more useful after all, look how much stuff its used in.
Seriously, listening to you making decisions on the tactical value of certain firearms, is about as relevant as me making decisions on maple syrup laws for Canada.
And what use do I have for a small concealable firearm? well, its sort of a requirement for my concealed carry permit. Mainly because people on the street tend to get a bit nervous, even if I did walk down the street with a sign saying 'responsible armed citizen' while carrying my bullpup rifle, I think folks have a certain right to walking around town with a general sense of calm, just as I think they also have a right to walk about without a sense of fear. Legal concealed handguns achieve both of those goals.
so, you're fine with the prospect of getting knifed, which is just as potentially fatal as any gunshot..
(and in my hands, probably more so, I've got a lot more precision with a knife than I do with a bullet, by a good inch of degree of accuracy)...and you're fine with letting criminals go free to rob/kill other people after they've got your money.
(with the vague hope the police will catch them for you at some point).
Wow, what a sick, violent, uncaring society your gun-free country is.. yeah, I think I can definately say I'm a little afraid of it..
Believe me, you're absolutely clueless if you think guns are somehow 'more dangerous' then knives; they just have more range, and range is only useful if you press the advantage.
Spoken like someone who's probably never even fired a handgun; thank you for your amazingly useless second-hand hyperbole here, it's much appreciated.
It really doesnt take much training or knowledge to be effective with a handgun; I've seen folks spend a day a month on the range for 6 months, and take 3-4 days of guided instruction come out shooting better than some police do. The cartridge question is something you can have answered in an afternoon of simple research. Go t a gun dealer who knows your firearm, ask them 'what would you recomend I should load for self-defence in this handgun' and 'how does that compare to what the police load in this city/state?'. Go buy some of that ammo, go practice with it, and keep a nearly-full (one under capacity so you dont get spring wear) magazine loaded with that ammo for when you need it.
I'll take a society that relies on actual information and not hyperbole and myth any time.
Guns possessed illegally mostly come from: (in descending order of volume)
- Straw Man Purchases
- Theft from Gun Stores
- Theft from private gun owners
- Smuggled arms from foreign war zones
Of those, the Straw Man purchase is the largest volume, and why Identity Theft is such a huge issue: Your information can be used to buy a lot more than just a new plasma TV for someone.
I'm a staunchly pro-gun Englishman living in the US, and while I think things such as gun registration are counter-productive and useless; better controls at the time of purchase, and stronger supporting infrastructure and protections are not a bad idea. Frankly the three-day waiting period never seemed like too terrible an idea to me, gives folks time to double-check things a lot better.
[And yes, there certainly are plenty of 'ghetto gunsmiths' out there; the equipment requirements to build a gun from scratch are hardly a huge limitation compared to the knowledge requirement, nor are there any truly restrictive limitations on the sale of gun parts alone.]
Sorry, stats any my own experience prove you wrong.
1) Havent killed myself with my own gun yet. 2) Have successfully run out someone breaking into my apartment with that useless gun of mine (did not shoot him, I dont shoot people in the back when they are running away from me) 3) have had two similar experiences out on the street, where (thanks to my concealed carry license) a quick disclosure than I was prepared and equipped to respond with lethal force made the situation very nonviolent very fast once they realized I was not a tourist (I'm a british citizen living in the US).
Oh, and I work as an infosec consultant, so sorry, but your little hoplophobic insertion into the commentstream falls very flat here.
nope,I know these guys personally. They turned down CourtTV on three seperate occasions (CourtTV pursued them for the show, they refused because they thought most stuff like this is crap.) Eventually CourtTV offered them enough creative control that they accepted. The show's been in development for 18 months now. I've seem an early edit of the pilot, and I think you'll all be pleased with how it turned out.
I know these guys. One of them is a Defcon Goon and has a book or three published oo, the other's a better lockpicker than you will ever dream of being, the third guy's a prtty slick business brain. I'd happily bet any single one of them against you and a team of your choice for skills.
there also may or may not be an invisible, intangible Flying Spaghetti Monster, that I also cannot disprove. By your logic, I must also clarify my position of agnosticism regarding him, and also Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon in his garage.
But, there is no empirical evidence to initiate study of any of these; so we dont. The same goes for any other fictional deity.
try taking a look at the truth behind the hollywood shootout a little more
it took the cops so damn long to take those guys down because honestly, most of them had learned their shooting skills from the same school of thought that makes people think shooting with the gun sideways is effective..
I can take you on naked as the day I was born and walk away from it if you cant hit the side of a barn at ten feet.
in the end they just went for accuracy-though-volume. real professional.
except this line was never said by anyone at Nintendo, and *definately* not by a CEO in 1989, a time when rave culture was very much still underneath the cultural radar of 98% of the planet.
they're PUA (Prohibited User Actions), its part of the DVD scripting spec, and anyone can create a DVD like this, that prevents certain buttons from working during any segment of a DVD (use some decent construction software like DVDLabPro for this).
it's not really DRM, there's no PKI for instance,its just a basic config option in the DVD control language. Theoretically there's nothing that says a DVD player needs to obey these PUA's to play a DVD, though I'm sure most manufacturer's get leaned on by the consortium to support them globally. Basically it's the same kind of thing as Region-locking. If you create your own DVD player, through, say, XBox MediaCentre (xbmc.org) you could get it to ignore these if you wish.
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I own a pink gun in fact, thank you very much.
Nice little number by Taurus of Brazil.
and seriously
1) What? the last time I checked, the police don't have the power to teleport, nor raise people from the dead. They aren't "passing the buck", we're just not expecting omnipotence.
2) oh here we go again 'but what about the children'. You know what buddy? I dont have children, and I sure as hell don't like your children either. But for all you breeders out there, every year there are approximately 50x more of your kids killed in car accidents than 'accidental shootings' and a good few other sources combined. Stop wasting yours and my time and start getting cars banned from the roads, those things are a lot more unsafe than any of my guns, which by design *cannot* kill anyone 'accidentally' (though they can kill through operator error). Compare to the yearly amount of car recalls and other issues where mechanical problems and other issues have killed people without even the need for operator error to be involved.
Guns protect the weak from the strong. Period.
The firearm today is what the crossbow was 600 years ago. if you don't understand the social significance of the crossbow, then this conversation is over for you.
Tomorrow we'll come for your cryptography by the way, that's also a dangerous munition with only one purpose that no responsible law-abiding person has any right to possess either.
how could it NOT apply?
'with intent to use the same unlawfully against another'
what part of 'intent to use unlawfully against another' isn't clear? Last time I checked 'self-defence' was still a viable defense in NY courts.
If I deliberately run someone over in my car, that is an unlawful use of a motor vehicle; it's not a reason to ban private car ownership though
Completely agreed with those three points.
By similar measure, I've found that most anti-gun people are:
1. Firmly of the belief that bad things only happen to other people.
2. Convinced that weaponry creates violence, and not the other way around (re: Hoplophobia)
3. Middle-class white people that dislike the idea of social problems invading their gated worldview, where they can't make judgements on them with removed disdain.
Spoken like a true hoplophobe.
Granted, we'll make sure you dont get to own a gun.
you know, I was thinking the whole thing about Maple syrup yesterday, after all, I've never tasted it and never found a use for it, and I consider myself very knowledgeable about syrups, so, I think we should just ban the stuff, and offer people a maple-syrup exchange program, give them high fructose corn syrup in exchange, that stuff seems more useful after all, look how much stuff its used in.
Seriously, listening to you making decisions on the tactical value of certain firearms, is about as relevant as me making decisions on maple syrup laws for Canada.
And what use do I have for a small concealable firearm? well, its sort of a requirement for my concealed carry permit. Mainly because people on the street tend to get a bit nervous, even if I did walk down the street with a sign saying 'responsible armed citizen' while carrying my bullpup rifle, I think folks have a certain right to walking around town with a general sense of calm, just as I think they also have a right to walk about without a sense of fear. Legal concealed handguns achieve both of those goals.
so, you're fine with the prospect of getting knifed, which is just as potentially fatal as any gunshot ..
(and in my hands, probably more so, I've got a lot more precision with a knife than I do with a bullet, by a good inch of degree of accuracy). ..and you're fine with letting criminals go free to rob/kill other people after they've got your money.
(with the vague hope the police will catch them for you at some point).
Wow, what a sick, violent, uncaring society your gun-free country is.. yeah, I think I can definately say I'm a little afraid of it..
Believe me, you're absolutely clueless if you think guns are somehow 'more dangerous' then knives; they just have more range, and range is only useful if you press the advantage.
Spoken like someone who's probably never even fired a handgun; thank you for your amazingly useless second-hand hyperbole here, it's much appreciated.
It really doesnt take much training or knowledge to be effective with a handgun; I've seen folks spend a day a month on the range for 6 months, and take 3-4 days of guided instruction come out shooting better than some police do. The cartridge question is something you can have answered in an afternoon of simple research. Go t a gun dealer who knows your firearm, ask them 'what would you recomend I should load for self-defence in this handgun' and 'how does that compare to what the police load in this city/state?'. Go buy some of that ammo, go practice with it, and keep a nearly-full (one under capacity so you dont get spring wear) magazine loaded with that ammo for when you need it.
I'll take a society that relies on actual information and not hyperbole and myth any time.
Guns possessed illegally mostly come from:
(in descending order of volume)
- Straw Man Purchases
- Theft from Gun Stores
- Theft from private gun owners
- Smuggled arms from foreign war zones
Of those, the Straw Man purchase is the largest volume, and why Identity Theft is such a huge issue: Your information can be used to buy a lot more than just a new plasma TV for someone.
I'm a staunchly pro-gun Englishman living in the US, and while I think things such as gun registration are counter-productive and useless; better controls at the time of purchase, and stronger supporting infrastructure and protections are not a bad idea. Frankly the three-day waiting period never seemed like too terrible an idea to me, gives folks time to double-check things a lot better.
[And yes, there certainly are plenty of 'ghetto gunsmiths' out there; the equipment requirements to build a gun from scratch are hardly a huge limitation compared to the knowledge requirement, nor are there any truly restrictive limitations on the sale of gun parts alone.]
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of freedom, in the following order:
Soap, Ballot, Jury, Ammo.
wish I had modpoints to mod you up, but then I couldnt have posted in the first place... ahh the vicious circle of logic.
Sorry, stats any my own experience prove you wrong.
1) Havent killed myself with my own gun yet.
2) Have successfully run out someone breaking into my apartment with that useless gun of mine (did not shoot him, I dont shoot people in the back when they are running away from me)
3) have had two similar experiences out on the street, where (thanks to my concealed carry license) a quick disclosure than I was prepared and equipped to respond with lethal force made the situation very nonviolent very fast once they realized I was not a tourist (I'm a british citizen living in the US).
Oh, and I work as an infosec consultant, so sorry, but your little hoplophobic insertion into the commentstream falls very flat here.
NEXT!
nope,I know these guys personally. They turned down CourtTV on three seperate occasions (CourtTV pursued them for the show, they refused because they thought most stuff like this is crap.) Eventually CourtTV offered them enough creative control that they accepted. The show's been in development for 18 months now. I've seem an early edit of the pilot, and I think you'll all be pleased with how it turned out.
I know these guys. One of them is a Defcon Goon and has a book or three published oo, the other's a better lockpicker than you will ever dream of being, the third guy's a prtty slick business brain. I'd happily bet any single one of them against you and a team of your choice for skills.
there also may or may not be an invisible, intangible Flying Spaghetti Monster, that I also cannot disprove. By your logic, I must also clarify my position of agnosticism regarding him, and also Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon in his garage.
But, there is no empirical evidence to initiate study of any of these; so we dont. The same goes for any other fictional deity.
are you getting the point yet ?
try taking a look at the truth behind the hollywood shootout a little more
it took the cops so damn long to take those guys down because honestly, most of them had learned their shooting skills from the same school of thought that makes people think shooting with the gun sideways is effective..
I can take you on naked as the day I was born and walk away from it if you cant hit the side of a barn at ten feet.
in the end they just went for accuracy-though-volume. real professional.
someone with mod points, please mod the parent post vaudeville-hilarious.
except that is a backcronym that has largely been discredited as false history..
yes its funny now
no it wasnt said by any damn CEO in `89.
end of story
Damn
I wish I had mod points free, and there was the option:
+3 appreciates the coolest geek movie ever.
hrm, apparently the rest of this thread has damaged my linguistic centres already. I just read your post as kitten in a lightning storm.
except this line was never said by anyone at Nintendo, and *definately* not by a CEO in 1989, a time when rave culture was very much still underneath the cultural radar of 98% of the planet.
you're a damn good Lennon fan, and a really shitty researcher.
Lennon has got jack shit to do with V, Alan Moore, or Guy Fawkes however.
exceptthat has absolutely nothing to do with the film's plot.
RTFA
they're PUA (Prohibited User Actions), its part of the DVD scripting spec, and anyone can create a DVD like this, that prevents certain buttons from working during any segment of a DVD (use some decent construction software like DVDLabPro for this).
it's not really DRM, there's no PKI for instance,its just a basic config option in the DVD control language. Theoretically there's nothing that says a DVD player needs to obey these PUA's to play a DVD, though I'm sure most manufacturer's get leaned on by the consortium to support them globally. Basically it's the same kind of thing as Region-locking. If you create your own DVD player, through, say, XBox MediaCentre (xbmc.org) you could get it to ignore these if you wish.