That, for example, in order to ssh into a remote Windows system you'll have to use Microsoft's ssh-client — because they'll use some funky cipher/digest combination or some other "extension". They did it to Kerberos before...
Or that interactive logins will only work on certain terminal emulators — because nothing else will be able to properly emulate powershell's window — just imagine the termcaps entry...
In the link I gave there is a large list of Microsoft's earlier attempts to kill a standard by first adopting it — read it up...
For a job as an Internet Troll that would probably be counted as a benefit.
Huh? You must be thinking of sincere volunteer trolls trolling for fun. That's not, whom we are discussing here. These folks are hired to spread the "party line". And to a recipient any message seems more convincing, when expressed well and by someone, perceived to be a person of quality.
The article I read (itself in Russian) mentioned a older man hired by the "troll-factory" to help improve the language and grammar of rank-and-file workers — and how depressingly difficult he found his job to be.
Gentlemen, we've given the prototype the codename 'Bennett Haselton.' At present it is capable of trolling up to 3.5 pbps across over a million sites at once.
+1 Funny, but Bennett is posting in English, whereas the article linked to by the AC above mentions, that the military's 2011 plans explicitly excluded English because that could violate the ban on government propaganda used on Americans: "none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology".
Russia, of course, has no such inhibitions and most of its trolls post in Russian — to be read by Russian-speakers inside and outside the country. Finding Russians capable of properly posting in English is about as difficult as finding Americans to post in Russian. Worse, Russians who have the sufficient command of a foreign language tend to be able to find better employment. In fact, the article about these trolls, that I read earlier, contained lamentations about how bad their Russian is too...
Our Lavrenty Beria was a curator of Russian nuclear project
Obviously, as head of KGB — because your nuclear project had as much work for your spies as it did for scientists.
My point, however, was that Beria antedated McCarthy by decades. (That he is also responsible for thousands of dead, whereas McCarthy can only be blamed for a few scores having lost their jobs, went unmentioned.)
This is the free market libertarian position taking to its logical extreme: the only thing that matters is economic activity
No, this is simply a freedom-loving position. I don't want to have to submit my employment choices to your approval so I am resisting your attempts to similarly violate the freedom of others.
Economic might is the only right.
Actually, I said nothing about "economic might" one way or the other — it was my opponent, who kept trying to bring Uber's wealth into the discussion. I consider that irrelevant.
My argument is that the voluntary agreements between employees and employers are simply none of our business.
Four years ago the article said: "The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda."
There is not a more recent update as to what has become of that software development effort. But we do know, that in 2011 — when the article you are linking to was talking about America's evil plans in future tense — Russian government's Internet-propaganda machine was already up and running:
A Russian journalist who visited one such comment-mill, the St. Petersburg Internet Research Agency, met with a coordinator who said the job was not unlike writing copy for a hair dryer: "The only difference is that this hair dryer is a political one."
Let me guess, USSR's Lavrenty Beria was a normal reaction to America's Joseph McCarthy in your opinion too?
Therefore it is impossible to overpay for something, as long as you're willing!:)
Indeed! Now, it is possible for a buyer to have a "remorse" — realizing, his willingness was in error. In that case, he will no longer be willing and will have had overpaid...
"Market value" in this meaning only applies in aggregate given the prior assumption of a liquid market.
It is always better, when the market is liquid, but it is not a requirement for there being a market value. The definition I gave usually applies to houses, for example — which are all unique. Painting or other work of art, for another example, can still have market value — often determined by an auction — whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.
What good is going to do any of us if these guys end up [...]
Bzzzz! Stop that Collectivist talk right there — none of "us" is a party to the transaction discussed (unless you are one of them or an Uber stock-holder). It is entirely between Uber and the engineers in question. To assert any right to control, regulate or even criticize their decision is to make a first step towards slavery (and there aren't many steps to it)...
It is simply none of our business.
It makes no sense to speak of market value when someone has so much money they can simply buy the best of everything and let it burn just to deny the other barons (er, capitalists) the prize.
Why does not it make sense? I can't even figure out, whether you are envious of Uber over their having so much money, or the engineers over their getting paid so well. But some sort of envy is dripping off my screen right now and I need to wipe it...
When somebody is getting paid "too little", Collectivists get upset. When somebody is paid "too much", they get upset too. Clearly, the idea, that "we the people" must be controlling prices, remains alive and well...
Someone explain this techno nerd obsession with replacing people with robots, I just don't get it.
Well, ask your grand-parents, why they replaced the icebox — for which ice had to be personally delivered by a human — with an electric refrigerator. (Bonus points for also accosting them over that refrigerator's use of ozon-destroying freon and climate-warming energy.)
Move on to discuss with your parents other appliances, which replaced household help: washer and drier. Every time you watch TV or YouTube, you are replacing live entertainment with impersonal machinery and soul-less electronics. Got it?..
There is no difference between the stone-axe put together by the first hominid and the latest robot — they are all clever implements meant to increase productivity and improve lives. To reject them on account of somebody losing his job doing things the old way is stupid...
Contrary to popular misconception, people (in any society), need to work not to make money, but to get things — both tangible products and services — done. If I can be driven to an airport by an automated car, I'll take it just as I am now taking automated dish-washing. And so — despite all your posturing — would you.
I'm not sure if it is market value. It could be at a premium.
There is no distinction in the two, much less difference. Market value, by definition, is what somebody is willing to pay. By offering more for what these people are selling (their labor), Uber demonstrated their willingness thus automatically raising the market value.
It could be a strategy, also used by MS, of poaching talent just to keep it from falling into the hands of the competition
It could be, but it still is a market value. And the "strategy", if that's what it is, is perfectly legitimate too. The people in question aren't slaves of the University and free to change employers.
Uber has poached 40 researchers from Carnegie Mellon University
Wow. "Poached" — as if the employees were chattels or animals in CMU's private reserve... Nice TFA...
if the sunset comes and the provisions are off the books, lawmakers in both chambers would be facing a vote to reinstate controversial surveillance authorities, which is an entirely different political calculation [...] That may reflect a calculation on the president's part that the surveillance authorities aren't important enough to lose political capital fighting to keep them
Can we, please, have all Federal laws automatically expire this way? All, except the Constitution, of course...
And I mean, all: including the laws, that created (and empowered) all the various Federal "agencies" and "departments" — from the NSA to the IRS, all the way to the EPA, and the Department of Education?
Those, that are still deemed a good idea, will be have no problem getting a rubber-stamp for another period (3 or 5 or 10 years — whatever the default expiration). Those, where we aren't sure any longer — as in the case of "Patriot Act" — will have a relatively easy way to disappear... Automatically...
There really is no chance otherwise — consider the example at hand: it is hard to imagine Presidents farther apart from each other than Bush and Obama, but one signed the law in the first place, and the other is calling for its renewal.
The SATs and GREs are not state tests. They are run by private companies.
Distinction without difference — in this case.
Besides, cheating private companies — if they are sufficiently omnipresent to be thought part of "the system" (you know, maintained by "The Man" to keep you down) — is part of Americana since, at least, the hippies.
Chinese students in particular can further legitimize their case by the racism of American college Admission Boards, which favour Whites over Asians (and Blacks over Whites). This article, for example, provides a table from this book, which calculates the SAT-points benefit/penalty for different races: if Whites are treated neutrally, being a Black gains you 310 points, while being an Asian penalizes you by 140 (out of 1600)!
Cheating to protect oneself from such mistreatment would seem rather acceptable...
People, who — like myself — have grown up under oppressive governments, see nothing wrong with cheating the State. They would not cheat a friend nor even a stranger, but government institutions are fair game. Moving to a free(er) country, we don't necessarily change that attitude.
Of course, the growing oppressiveness of American governments is not helping...
This is not meant to provide an excuse to the accused, but merely to explain, where they are coming from.
Well, Edison did have a point that AC is more dangerous. There is a dead elephant to prove it.
Topsy, executed for killing three men, was killed with the "evil" Alternating Current. But that, in itself, says nothing about it being less or more dangerous than the alternative (Direct Current). Edison realized it, of course, but the public — just as short on attention span as it is now — did not... Ehh, if only those people had the Internet! They would've argued with and trolled each other without having to bother with elephants or the like...
How funny is it, that the name Tesla will now be associated with the Direct Current, that Edison was pushing during the War of Currents?
Those people who view one side as better than the other, because they are "less evil" are simply delusional.
There are more than two sides. Rand Paul — currently from the "Libertarian wing" of the Republican Party — may as well become a bona-fide Libertarian. At least, that would assure a Presidential nomination for him.
Libertarianism has been rising over the last few decades — one can see it from Slashdot's own poll as well as feel it in the increasingly shrill reaction Libertarian ideas get from Slashdot's resident Statists. Maybe, we'll have three major parties once again soon.
Yes, technically there is a way to execute phone specific code with specially crafted text messages. This is not doing that. It's not executing a program.
Generally, if a carefully-crafted input can cause your application to crash, a similarly-crafted data may be able to exploit the same bug and cause an execution of malicious code. If — as is usually the case — the crash is due to buffer overflow and I can stomp over your app's memory, I may be able to place my code in the right place and it will be executed as part of the app...
But this is not what I expect from Apple. This is just bad. Lack of sanity testing?
Security — as any good work in general — is hard. Disproportionally harder than the merely Ok work. The real measure is not the number of bugs, really, but the speed of the fixes, once the problems are discovered. Unfortunately, Apple seems to be slow at that too...
Ha! The submissions can all be dismissed as "biased" without trying too hard. All of the Climate-scientists paid by the government and international institutions, for example, are inherently biased — should they conclude, there is no danger in global warming, their grants will dry out and they'll lose their jobs and influence.
Worse! Even if the scientists themselves are sincere, the people who run their departments and the international institutions are politicians and thus (far) less trust-worthy. And it is in their interest to only seek-out and hire scientists, who favour their agenda — sincerely or otherwise. A good scientist may still be able to find employment, but if the International Panel on Climate Change is closed, a lot of the currently-influential people will become nobodies...
The conflict of interest is so stunning, I'm surprised we can still breath in the room with this giant elephant. Compared to that bias, a blogger's personal agenda is nothing to speak of...
Like I said many times before: once the result is known, finding somebody having "predicted" is too easy to be convincing. If you put 720 stalled clocks into one room, each set to a different minute, one of them will always show correct time.
No, please, link to a prediction published — anywhere, be it "peer-reviewed" publication or a tabloid — online before it materialized... And not just one, but at least two or three.
Of course, it is not a good example of a prediction — it failed! I "cited" it as an illustration of a "binary" prediction only. Sorry, I don't know of any "good" predictions made by the Climate-scientists, so I cited a bad one. Do you?
Are you ready to try again? Of all people, you already know very well, what I'm seeking — and agree, that the format I ask for is not unreasonable...
It was about sea ice. The ice loss in evidence is land ice.
Distinction without difference. Both would evidence to the dangers of global warming — or lack thereof. That one was posted, while the other was not, hints at a bias...
It fails to distinguish between Arctic sea ice (which is retreating) and Antarctic (which is advancing).
The difference between the poles may affect local residents on each, but it does not affect the debate of whether or not the whole planet is warming to an alarming — or even perceptible — degree.
Once again, replying to a request for pairs of links with a single link does not count. Your submission is hereby rejected. FAIL.
If you'd like to play again, sift through your sources yourself to identify the predictions and post links to them separately from the confirmations of each one materializing. This was the challenge from the beginning of this sub-thread.
Note, that the other condition was that the links be at least 3 years apart — because, once the result is known, finding a prediction for it may be too easy (and even, some times, intellectually dishonest too).
This is why people with substantial power — such as, first of all, government officials — must not engage in adultery or anything similarly reprehensible even if it is not illegal for the rest of us. Not because of some wicked "puritanism", but because it opens them up to blackmail, that corrupts government thus affecting all of us.
Government officials — be they lawmakers, judges, or executives — must be squeaky fucking clean. (Same may apply to CEOs, but that's up to their shareholders.)
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That, for example, in order to ssh into a remote Windows system you'll have to use Microsoft's ssh-client — because they'll use some funky cipher/digest combination or some other "extension". They did it to Kerberos before...
Or that interactive logins will only work on certain terminal emulators — because nothing else will be able to properly emulate powershell's window — just imagine the termcaps entry...
In the link I gave there is a large list of Microsoft's earlier attempts to kill a standard by first adopting it — read it up...
Huh? You must be thinking of sincere volunteer trolls trolling for fun. That's not, whom we are discussing here. These folks are hired to spread the "party line". And to a recipient any message seems more convincing, when expressed well and by someone, perceived to be a person of quality.
The article I read (itself in Russian) mentioned a older man hired by the "troll-factory" to help improve the language and grammar of rank-and-file workers — and how depressingly difficult he found his job to be.
Kerberos was not either.
Just replace "PuTTY" with "Netscape" and you'll understand, what I'm talking about. Hopefully...
Now I'm scared... We may, once again, see Microsoft's approach of Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish in action...
+1 Funny, but Bennett is posting in English, whereas the article linked to by the AC above mentions, that the military's 2011 plans explicitly excluded English because that could violate the ban on government propaganda used on Americans: "none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology".
Russia, of course, has no such inhibitions and most of its trolls post in Russian — to be read by Russian-speakers inside and outside the country. Finding Russians capable of properly posting in English is about as difficult as finding Americans to post in Russian. Worse, Russians who have the sufficient command of a foreign language tend to be able to find better employment. In fact, the article about these trolls, that I read earlier, contained lamentations about how bad their Russian is too...
Obviously, as head of KGB — because your nuclear project had as much work for your spies as it did for scientists.
My point, however, was that Beria antedated McCarthy by decades. (That he is also responsible for thousands of dead , whereas McCarthy can only be blamed for a few scores having lost their jobs, went unmentioned.)
Please, stop talking in riddles. Make your accusations and provide citations, or go away. Put up or shut up, so to speak...
I do not. Please, elaborate — with citations. Thank you.
No, this is simply a freedom-loving position. I don't want to have to submit my employment choices to your approval so I am resisting your attempts to similarly violate the freedom of others.
Actually, I said nothing about "economic might" one way or the other — it was my opponent, who kept trying to bring Uber's wealth into the discussion. I consider that irrelevant.
My argument is that the voluntary agreements between employees and employers are simply none of our business.
Four years ago the article said: "The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda."
There is not a more recent update as to what has become of that software development effort. But we do know, that in 2011 — when the article you are linking to was talking about America's evil plans in future tense — Russian government's Internet-propaganda machine was already up and running:
Let me guess, USSR's Lavrenty Beria was a normal reaction to America's Joseph McCarthy in your opinion too?
Indeed! Now, it is possible for a buyer to have a "remorse" — realizing, his willingness was in error. In that case, he will no longer be willing and will have had overpaid...
It is always better, when the market is liquid, but it is not a requirement for there being a market value. The definition I gave usually applies to houses, for example — which are all unique. Painting or other work of art, for another example, can still have market value — often determined by an auction — whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.
Bzzzz! Stop that Collectivist talk right there — none of "us" is a party to the transaction discussed (unless you are one of them or an Uber stock-holder). It is entirely between Uber and the engineers in question. To assert any right to control, regulate or even criticize their decision is to make a first step towards slavery (and there aren't many steps to it)...
It is simply none of our business.
Why does not it make sense? I can't even figure out, whether you are envious of Uber over their having so much money, or the engineers over their getting paid so well. But some sort of envy is dripping off my screen right now and I need to wipe it...
When somebody is getting paid "too little", Collectivists get upset. When somebody is paid "too much", they get upset too. Clearly, the idea, that "we the people" must be controlling prices, remains alive and well...
Well, ask your grand-parents, why they replaced the icebox — for which ice had to be personally delivered by a human — with an electric refrigerator. (Bonus points for also accosting them over that refrigerator's use of ozon-destroying freon and climate-warming energy.)
Move on to discuss with your parents other appliances, which replaced household help: washer and drier. Every time you watch TV or YouTube, you are replacing live entertainment with impersonal machinery and soul-less electronics. Got it?..
There is no difference between the stone-axe put together by the first hominid and the latest robot — they are all clever implements meant to increase productivity and improve lives. To reject them on account of somebody losing his job doing things the old way is stupid...
Contrary to popular misconception, people (in any society), need to work not to make money, but to get things — both tangible products and services — done. If I can be driven to an airport by an automated car, I'll take it just as I am now taking automated dish-washing. And so — despite all your posturing — would you.
There is no distinction in the two, much less difference. Market value, by definition, is what somebody is willing to pay. By offering more for what these people are selling (their labor), Uber demonstrated their willingness thus automatically raising the market value.
It could be, but it still is a market value. And the "strategy", if that's what it is, is perfectly legitimate too. The people in question aren't slaves of the University and free to change employers.
Wow. "Poached" — as if the employees were chattels or animals in CMU's private reserve... Nice TFA...
Can we, please, have all Federal laws automatically expire this way? All, except the Constitution, of course...
And I mean, all: including the laws, that created (and empowered) all the various Federal "agencies" and "departments" — from the NSA to the IRS, all the way to the EPA, and the Department of Education?
Those, that are still deemed a good idea, will be have no problem getting a rubber-stamp for another period (3 or 5 or 10 years — whatever the default expiration). Those, where we aren't sure any longer — as in the case of "Patriot Act" — will have a relatively easy way to disappear... Automatically...
There really is no chance otherwise — consider the example at hand: it is hard to imagine Presidents farther apart from each other than Bush and Obama, but one signed the law in the first place, and the other is calling for its renewal.
Distinction without difference — in this case.
Besides, cheating private companies — if they are sufficiently omnipresent to be thought part of "the system" (you know, maintained by "The Man" to keep you down) — is part of Americana since, at least, the hippies.
If it is Ok to squat a bank-owned house or to loot and burn a pharmacy, then cheating on a nationwide standardized exam is Ok too.
Chinese students in particular can further legitimize their case by the racism of American college Admission Boards, which favour Whites over Asians (and Blacks over Whites). This article, for example, provides a table from this book, which calculates the SAT-points benefit/penalty for different races: if Whites are treated neutrally, being a Black gains you 310 points, while being an Asian penalizes you by 140 (out of 1600)!
Cheating to protect oneself from such mistreatment would seem rather acceptable...
People, who — like myself — have grown up under oppressive governments, see nothing wrong with cheating the State. They would not cheat a friend nor even a stranger, but government institutions are fair game. Moving to a free(er) country, we don't necessarily change that attitude.
Of course, the growing oppressiveness of American governments is not helping...
This is not meant to provide an excuse to the accused, but merely to explain, where they are coming from.
Topsy, executed for killing three men, was killed with the "evil" Alternating Current. But that, in itself, says nothing about it being less or more dangerous than the alternative (Direct Current). Edison realized it, of course, but the public — just as short on attention span as it is now — did not... Ehh, if only those people had the Internet! They would've argued with and trolled each other without having to bother with elephants or the like...
How funny is it, that the name Tesla will now be associated with the Direct Current, that Edison was pushing during the War of Currents?
There are more than two sides. Rand Paul — currently from the "Libertarian wing" of the Republican Party — may as well become a bona-fide Libertarian. At least, that would assure a Presidential nomination for him.
Whatever he does, his attempts to block the extensions of this "most unpatriotic law" gained him support from both sides of the traditional isle (as his other actions did before).
Libertarianism has been rising over the last few decades — one can see it from Slashdot's own poll as well as feel it in the increasingly shrill reaction Libertarian ideas get from Slashdot's resident Statists. Maybe, we'll have three major parties once again soon.
Generally, if a carefully-crafted input can cause your application to crash, a similarly-crafted data may be able to exploit the same bug and cause an execution of malicious code. If — as is usually the case — the crash is due to buffer overflow and I can stomp over your app's memory, I may be able to place my code in the right place and it will be executed as part of the app...
There are ways to mitigate that — such as by declaring data-parts of memory non-executable — but the earlier successful exploits of buffer overflow in the image-parsing code suggest, Apple is not using this.
Security — as any good work in general — is hard. Disproportionally harder than the merely Ok work. The real measure is not the number of bugs, really, but the speed of the fixes, once the problems are discovered. Unfortunately, Apple seems to be slow at that too...
Ha! The submissions can all be dismissed as "biased" without trying too hard. All of the Climate-scientists paid by the government and international institutions, for example, are inherently biased — should they conclude, there is no danger in global warming, their grants will dry out and they'll lose their jobs and influence.
Worse! Even if the scientists themselves are sincere, the people who run their departments and the international institutions are politicians and thus (far) less trust-worthy. And it is in their interest to only seek-out and hire scientists, who favour their agenda — sincerely or otherwise. A good scientist may still be able to find employment, but if the International Panel on Climate Change is closed, a lot of the currently-influential people will become nobodies...
The conflict of interest is so stunning, I'm surprised we can still breath in the room with this giant elephant. Compared to that bias, a blogger's personal agenda is nothing to speak of...
Like I said many times before: once the result is known, finding somebody having "predicted" is too easy to be convincing. If you put 720 stalled clocks into one room, each set to a different minute, one of them will always show correct time.
No, please, link to a prediction published — anywhere, be it "peer-reviewed" publication or a tabloid — online before it materialized... And not just one, but at least two or three.
Of course, it is not a good example of a prediction — it failed! I "cited" it as an illustration of a "binary" prediction only. Sorry, I don't know of any "good" predictions made by the Climate-scientists, so I cited a bad one. Do you?
Are you ready to try again? Of all people, you already know very well, what I'm seeking — and agree, that the format I ask for is not unreasonable...
Distinction without difference. Both would evidence to the dangers of global warming — or lack thereof. That one was posted, while the other was not, hints at a bias...
The difference between the poles may affect local residents on each, but it does not affect the debate of whether or not the whole planet is warming to an alarming — or even perceptible — degree.
Once again, replying to a request for pairs of links with a single link does not count. Your submission is hereby rejected. FAIL.
If you'd like to play again, sift through your sources yourself to identify the predictions and post links to them separately from the confirmations of each one materializing. This was the challenge from the beginning of this sub-thread.
Note, that the other condition was that the links be at least 3 years apart — because, once the result is known, finding a prediction for it may be too easy (and even, some times, intellectually dishonest too).
This is why people with substantial power — such as, first of all, government officials — must not engage in adultery or anything similarly reprehensible even if it is not illegal for the rest of us. Not because of some wicked "puritanism", but because it opens them up to blackmail, that corrupts government thus affecting all of us.
Government officials — be they lawmakers, judges, or executives — must be squeaky fucking clean. (Same may apply to CEOs, but that's up to their shareholders.)