In your mind, that is. Today more people recognize that sustainability has to be part and parcel of high tech, or else it is merely "so-called high-tech".
People like to complain and argue. What's to complain or argue about here? The only negative I could think of is the potential money loss an investor would have if they had money invested in one of the competing fabs.
I do work in IT, I have been doing it a long time, and it is often the right approach.
When I got into my current job it was a total undocumented mess, step one was to document who was using what machines, since none of the users had any idea we unplugged the network connections from one machine at a time and waited for the complaints to roll in. In less than a week were were able to find out that more than half of the machines were not used by anyone, and were not at the time running any needed service. We did monitor the machines for a week before to see who connected, more than half had no connections at all.
Forcing action now is often the only approach that makes sense.
It could be in some situations. In the one you describe, there are several better ways to skin that cat (in my opinion). First one that comes to mind assuming you have no inventory/asset management tools at your disposal would be to check the logs to see if anyone has logged in. It's easy and you could make the determination without risking disrupting a working user. Then you could send an alert to the machine, warning them before you shut it down, and finally you could power it down for a time prior to removing it from the network. Not only do you not interrupt any users this way but you save electricity.
Of course, what's best is totally subjective. However, I'd get fired if I brought down users in an attempt to shut down machines in the way you described.
Well, the victims here tried to do the first thing on your list and got screwed. Identifying legit security software is obviously a problem for some people.
What you propose turns out to be, in practice, a pipe dream. If you don't know anything about cars, you're getting ripped off by car mechanics and dealerships every time you visit them. And I do mean ripped off; I'd think an average car-driving american can easily waste $20k over their life that way. If you know nothing about basics of home construction, you'll be lucky if you end up on Holmes on Homes and get a $100k gift to fix the mess you got yourself in -- if $100k is enough, that is. I've seen myself houses on the market listed for $100-$150k where it'd be cheaper to rebuild than to fix. If you don't ask questions, have no company at the hospital and know nothing about medicine, you're at elevated risk of various medical mistakes (sorry, I don't have a link handy, but that's my personal experience). If you don't know anything about science and can't visualize meaning of numbers, you'll be easily fooled by politicians, marketers and bankers alike. Knowing your orders of magnitude and being able to do mental math to visualize things is way more important than knowing about Shakespeare, unless you've got a wealthy uncle sponsoring you, that is. Not that I have anything against learning of Shakespeare's work, mind that.
There is a minimum amount of general education that one needs to succeed in today's society -- and no, that doesn't mean knowing literature or whatever else classically passes for general education. You need to know basics of various "technical" disciplines that directly affect you in your life. To me, that's what contemporary civics should mean. It should be the role of grade schools (up to grade 12) to teach kids the basics of what makes the world tick, so to speak. Unfortunately, that's not what's done, and the adults in charge are none the wiser...
Most of what passes for civics these days is entirely useless trivia: stuff that you can't base any decisions on. It's as useful as entertainment is: good for you if that's what you like to know/do, but not helpful otherwise. I'd even go as far as claiming that, say, learning the names of all U.S. presidents or the roots of the U.S. government is an abominable waste of time -- again, if you're forced to do it at school. It's knowledge with absolutely no application to everyday life. Some people may find such trivia entertaining or interesting, but then it's their choice how to apportion their free time, and I sure as heck can't tell them not to learn it. But if they choose memorizing the presidents over knowing what malware is and how to protect oneself: it's them who lose, not myself. Let's face it: computers and automobiles are everyday tools that livelihoods depend on, especially in the U.S.
What you are talking about happens in just about every industry. Nobody can be an expert at everything. When Joe the non computer geek goes out and buys a pc, guess what? He pays more for less than he would if he were an expert. Joe's idea of computer security is probably one of those cables you glue to the case and then glue to the desk. Computer security is in a sad state because as it sits today, it requires some significant technical skills and usually has a significant impact on performance and operations of computers. The computer security industry has a lot of maturing left to do.
But presumably somebody at the FBI realised that they could collect all that lovely data on where everybody was going on the internet, and all without the need for a single warrant
Care to show a source, even a single one, for that? The FBI handled this right, asking ISC to install and run the DNS servers. I really doubt the ISC would play ball with any extra-legal requests for data.
Amazing how much pure paranoia is modded up around here
Go look at msnbc or fox news or pick your news source - it's no secret. In the USA, the most reasonable thing to do is to assume the government is up to no good lately. It's been that way for about 11 years now. Maybe you are not American so you weren't aware what has been going on? I assume I don't have to post a link to lmgtfy.com, right?
Dropping the requests on the floor and teaching these folks a valuable lesson would have been handling it right.
Hopefully you don't actually work in IT... If you do, I'm sure it won't last with an attitude like that. Dropping requests, and disconnecting users with no warning is almost never a good idea.
I for one find it ironic that I am reading an article on slashdot about iPads on my iPad on a day that slashdot changed something on their page thus making it unreadable now on my iPad. Yay slashdot way to hit me where it hurts.....:-(
You should be proud that you're reading the unreadable, then.... Apple users... LOL!
Eh, prior art doesn't matter to the patent office. They upheld apple's patent on the look of the ipad even after seeing what appears to look and behave exactly like the ipad in the movie "2001" from 1968.
Thanks for the link. Who would have thought a ted talk about something as mundane as fashion would be interesting. I didn't, but she made a good point.
Who says it hasn't already been the status quo for a century? You honestly don't think they just came up with this idea... How else do you think they keep tabs on spies and double agents?
Hopefully nobody thinks that. Particularly since there have been books, video games, and even wikipedia articles written long ago based on this concept. I'm not sure if anyone still prints paper encyclopedias anymore, but I bet if they do you could look it up there. It's called a Barium meal test.
There's an ebay sucker born any minute, but you can walk into a pawn shop any day of the week and get one for under 10 dollars. Stores that deal in used gaming systems like "gamestop" don't even sell them anymore at all. If you're on the hunt for one, then I'll save you some time. http://www.cashamerica.com/
Of course if this were true there is no way such a secret will be revealed in a random/. comment.
I'm pretty sure regardless of the quality of this article, there is still no way anything useful for purposes other than entertainment will be revealed in Slashdot comments.
prompted debate on Slashdot in 2008 and 2010/quote
HAH! Even the most mundane of topics prompt debate on Slashdot. I'm 100% certain if there was a post on here about the sky being blue, a debate would follow in the comments. There was so little for the poster to say about this subject that they felt the need to include a worthless fluff sentence.
Makes sense as they are a consumer brand and not targeting the workplace.
I guess the -1 means apple fanboys thought you were trying to slander the company. Funny thing is, Apple will be the first to tell you this. Just as they told me that very thing when we were trying to bring in servers to support ipads and macbooks that some folks in the company had purchased.
If the information is need-to-know only, then giving the people that need-to-know false information will lead to wasted time. If a person doesn't need to know, then the person shouldn't have the information in the first place. The example in the article of burying useful information in a sea of noise still presumes that someone can exceed their access in the first place. Those things should be preventable in the first instance.
The problem is, someone in that "need to know" circle is believed to be leaking information. You can either get rid of everybody in the circle, do nothing, or find the rat. This is how they go about doing the latter. Doing nothing sounds like a REALLY bad idea to me, and getting rid of everyone sounds MORE counter productive than this. Further, getting rid of everyone in the circle probably means the people deciding what to do about the problem would be getting rid of themselves, too.
This has more similarities to cloud computing than just the name. Both are something that has been done for many many years already. They both just got a new fancy name in an effort to get people excited about the same old same old.
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It's a sad state of affairs.
In your mind, that is. Today more people recognize that sustainability has to be part and parcel of high tech, or else it is merely "so-called high-tech".
People like to complain and argue. What's to complain or argue about here? The only negative I could think of is the potential money loss an investor would have if they had money invested in one of the competing fabs.
Exactly. Can we just mod the article it's-self as a troll and move on?
I do work in IT, I have been doing it a long time, and it is often the right approach.
When I got into my current job it was a total undocumented mess, step one was to document who was using what machines, since none of the users had any idea we unplugged the network connections from one machine at a time and waited for the complaints to roll in. In less than a week were were able to find out that more than half of the machines were not used by anyone, and were not at the time running any needed service. We did monitor the machines for a week before to see who connected, more than half had no connections at all.
Forcing action now is often the only approach that makes sense.
It could be in some situations. In the one you describe, there are several better ways to skin that cat (in my opinion). First one that comes to mind assuming you have no inventory/asset management tools at your disposal would be to check the logs to see if anyone has logged in. It's easy and you could make the determination without risking disrupting a working user. Then you could send an alert to the machine, warning them before you shut it down, and finally you could power it down for a time prior to removing it from the network. Not only do you not interrupt any users this way but you save electricity.
Of course, what's best is totally subjective. However, I'd get fired if I brought down users in an attempt to shut down machines in the way you described.
Well, the victims here tried to do the first thing on your list and got screwed. Identifying legit security software is obviously a problem for some people.
What you propose turns out to be, in practice, a pipe dream. If you don't know anything about cars, you're getting ripped off by car mechanics and dealerships every time you visit them. And I do mean ripped off; I'd think an average car-driving american can easily waste $20k over their life that way. If you know nothing about basics of home construction, you'll be lucky if you end up on Holmes on Homes and get a $100k gift to fix the mess you got yourself in -- if $100k is enough, that is. I've seen myself houses on the market listed for $100-$150k where it'd be cheaper to rebuild than to fix. If you don't ask questions, have no company at the hospital and know nothing about medicine, you're at elevated risk of various medical mistakes (sorry, I don't have a link handy, but that's my personal experience). If you don't know anything about science and can't visualize meaning of numbers, you'll be easily fooled by politicians, marketers and bankers alike. Knowing your orders of magnitude and being able to do mental math to visualize things is way more important than knowing about Shakespeare, unless you've got a wealthy uncle sponsoring you, that is. Not that I have anything against learning of Shakespeare's work, mind that.
There is a minimum amount of general education that one needs to succeed in today's society -- and no, that doesn't mean knowing literature or whatever else classically passes for general education. You need to know basics of various "technical" disciplines that directly affect you in your life. To me, that's what contemporary civics should mean. It should be the role of grade schools (up to grade 12) to teach kids the basics of what makes the world tick, so to speak. Unfortunately, that's not what's done, and the adults in charge are none the wiser...
Most of what passes for civics these days is entirely useless trivia: stuff that you can't base any decisions on. It's as useful as entertainment is: good for you if that's what you like to know/do, but not helpful otherwise. I'd even go as far as claiming that, say, learning the names of all U.S. presidents or the roots of the U.S. government is an abominable waste of time -- again, if you're forced to do it at school. It's knowledge with absolutely no application to everyday life. Some people may find such trivia entertaining or interesting, but then it's their choice how to apportion their free time, and I sure as heck can't tell them not to learn it. But if they choose memorizing the presidents over knowing what malware is and how to protect oneself: it's them who lose, not myself. Let's face it: computers and automobiles are everyday tools that livelihoods depend on, especially in the U.S.
What you are talking about happens in just about every industry. Nobody can be an expert at everything. When Joe the non computer geek goes out and buys a pc, guess what? He pays more for less than he would if he were an expert. Joe's idea of computer security is probably one of those cables you glue to the case and then glue to the desk. Computer security is in a sad state because as it sits today, it requires some significant technical skills and usually has a significant impact on performance and operations of computers. The computer security industry has a lot of maturing left to do.
But presumably somebody at the FBI realised that they could collect all that lovely data on where everybody was going on the internet, and all without the need for a single warrant
Care to show a source, even a single one, for that? The FBI handled this right, asking ISC to install and run the DNS servers. I really doubt the ISC would play ball with any extra-legal requests for data.
Amazing how much pure paranoia is modded up around here
Go look at msnbc or fox news or pick your news source - it's no secret. In the USA, the most reasonable thing to do is to assume the government is up to no good lately. It's been that way for about 11 years now. Maybe you are not American so you weren't aware what has been going on? I assume I don't have to post a link to lmgtfy.com, right?
How is this handling it right?
Dropping the requests on the floor and teaching these folks a valuable lesson would have been handling it right.
Hopefully you don't actually work in IT... If you do, I'm sure it won't last with an attitude like that. Dropping requests, and disconnecting users with no warning is almost never a good idea.
Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail!
Oh! What is this fairly mundane detail, Michael?!!!!!
eh, I dunno. On earth, they only get to shit "down". In space they could shit in any direction any time.
Try the veal. I'll be here all week.
Offered him 500 bucks for it. 1.2 million? He must be joking.
I for one find it ironic that I am reading an article on slashdot about iPads on my iPad on a day that slashdot changed something on their page thus making it unreadable now on my iPad. Yay slashdot way to hit me where it hurts.....:-(
You should be proud that you're reading the unreadable, then....
Apple users... LOL!
Shux, responded to the wrong post....
Eh, prior art doesn't matter to the patent office. They upheld apple's patent on the look of the ipad even after seeing what appears to look and behave exactly like the ipad in the movie "2001" from 1968.
Here's a clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3949GAIokg
The hipsters aren't gonna like this...
Thanks for the link. Who would have thought a ted talk about something as mundane as fashion would be interesting. I didn't, but she made a good point.
But announcing it in public allows them to cast doubt on the credibility of real leaks too.
The more I think about this, the more I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Who says it hasn't already been the status quo for a century? You honestly don't think they just came up with this idea... How else do you think they keep tabs on spies and double agents?
Hopefully nobody thinks that. Particularly since there have been books, video games, and even wikipedia articles written long ago based on this concept. I'm not sure if anyone still prints paper encyclopedias anymore, but I bet if they do you could look it up there. It's called a Barium meal test .
There's an ebay sucker born any minute, but you can walk into a pawn shop any day of the week and get one for under 10 dollars. Stores that deal in used gaming systems like "gamestop" don't even sell them anymore at all. If you're on the hunt for one, then I'll save you some time. http://www.cashamerica.com/
Of course if this were true there is no way such a secret will be revealed in a random /. comment.
I'm pretty sure regardless of the quality of this article, there is still no way anything useful for purposes other than entertainment will be revealed in Slashdot comments.
Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.
If Japan is anything like the USA, then corporations are above the law unless they start to become unprofitable for the shareholders.
prompted debate on Slashdot in 2008 and 2010/quote HAH! Even the most mundane of topics prompt debate on Slashdot. I'm 100% certain if there was a post on here about the sky being blue, a debate would follow in the comments. There was so little for the poster to say about this subject that they felt the need to include a worthless fluff sentence.
Makes sense as they are a consumer brand and not targeting the workplace.
I guess the -1 means apple fanboys thought you were trying to slander the company. Funny thing is, Apple will be the first to tell you this. Just as they told me that very thing when we were trying to bring in servers to support ipads and macbooks that some folks in the company had purchased.
If the information is need-to-know only, then giving the people that need-to-know false information will lead to wasted time. If a person doesn't need to know, then the person shouldn't have the information in the first place. The example in the article of burying useful information in a sea of noise still presumes that someone can exceed their access in the first place. Those things should be preventable in the first instance.
The problem is, someone in that "need to know" circle is believed to be leaking information. You can either get rid of everybody in the circle, do nothing, or find the rat. This is how they go about doing the latter.
Doing nothing sounds like a REALLY bad idea to me, and getting rid of everyone sounds MORE counter productive than this. Further, getting rid of everyone in the circle probably means the people deciding what to do about the problem would be getting rid of themselves, too.
This has more similarities to cloud computing than just the name. Both are something that has been done for many many years already. They both just got a new fancy name in an effort to get people excited about the same old same old.