"OS X comes with web server (Apache), SSH server (where's that in XP anything?), a SQL database, and many other things that you can't get without XP Professional or even Win2000/2003 Server."
apache costs how much? openssh costs how much? mysql costs how much?
All of which run on windows, either natively, or using cygwin.
Making these things seem "exclusive" to the Mac world is trolling imo.
"I'll tell you this now, the packaging system is not the factor that people base their decisions to run windows on."
Actually. For me it is.
I've tried about 6-7 different linux distributions and have never had success installing software. I'll get a couple things installed, then the third breaks something.
Or I'll get most my multimedia stuff installed, then try to upgrade my video driver and it breaks.
Or I'll get an mp3 player installed, and it works, but then I install another multimedia player, and my mp3 breaks.
I have never had a piece of software from a reputable vendor not install in windows./shrug, maybe I'm just lucky, but the windows msi packages just plain work.
(And while I've heard great things about apt-get and emerge, I've never used them, because not one distribution using those package managers works well with my Radeon x800. Likewise, few, if any, work with a primary sata drive).
" Ubuntu can use your card. You can try the live version.
About 3d, you need ATI to release a driver."
ATI did release a driver for the X800. Its only officially supposed to work with Redhat or Suse.
My X800 does work in any distrubution of Linux, but in VESA mode:( And that kinda defeats the purpose.
In terms of compatibility with newer hardware... well, I can tell you this:
I have tried 5 installations of various distr. of linux per year, and have NEVER had all my hardware work. In some cases, I had to manually configure various things to get it working, but in most cases, it just didn't work, period.
Saying that Ubuntu supports the X800 is just plain wrong. Like I said, sure, it'll support it in VESA mode, but not in 3D mode. Thats my whole point. Thats like saying, sure, mandrake supports your new fire wire Video camera, but you can only transfer video at 9600 baud....
My viscious circle still applies to anyone using the latest hardware. I agree its ATI's fault its not working in full 3D mode.. but if vendors refuse to change, at what point will Linux developers have to step up to break the cycle of "not supported, therefore users don't try it, since user base is small, vendors won't support it, repeat".
Exactly. I'm a windows system admin who wanted to try Linux. Unfortunately, I use the latest hardware almost exclusively, and have found that to be the biggest hurdle to me attempting to try any version of Linux.
I use an X800 video card, and have tried every thread pertaining to its installation that I could find, to no avail.
Viscious circle I guess: Linux won't support a lot of the newest hardware, therefore many people do not try Linux, therefore, the Linux desktop share never increases, therefore, vendors do not release stable drivers for linux; rinse, repeat.
Well, I was lucky enough to work for a large IT shop for a major corporation, who's answer to the cost savings issue was to fire all developers, retaining system admins/tech help only, and then outsource all development. (I'm a developer btw).
The upside for the company is, the outsource budget doesn't go through the IT budget, rather its part of the corporations "operational expenses", such as landscaping, electricity, etc.. So, from the budget standpoint, IT dropped about 30 percent of its expense.
The downside for me, of course, was I had to move towns to find a new job:(
But I don't believe we will change our lifestyle's or policies until something major happens with the environment.
Name me one instance of mass behavioral change based on scientific discoveries? Thats right. There are none.
I'm sorry to say, but I doubt we'll see any action before its too late. Maybe not too late to gradual heal the planet, but probably too late to stave off some horrendous whether for a few decades.
Out of curiosity about this "new Word killer", I opened a 100 page OfficeXP.doc file, complete with pictures and tables into my newly installed AbiWord.
First time crashed. Second time, crawled to a halt, took 5-10 seconds to scroll down one page.
Sorry, but unless a word editor can flawless handle huge crappy.doc files, it ain't replacing Word.
I've been programming in the windows environment for 6 years. c/c++ desktop and server stuff earlier on, and the last few years, I've been doing more intranet web related stuff. So, I consider myself competent with computers in general. But, I've never used linux as my primary destkop.
Once a year, for the last 4 years, I've downloaded a couple different distros of linux, usually redhat and one other, install them on separate computers, and then try to do a few things. Each year I've been disappointed. This year, for instance, I install Xmms on my redhat installation, and none of my songs play. Won't play a damn thing.
Each year, after installing Linux, and trying to do basic things, I uninstall it, and reinstall Windows.
I give 2 versions of Linux ONE chance each year to get through a simple sequence of installing common apps (music, internet, mail, image editing, etc..) and then using each app. If 1 things errors, I uninstall.
Somehow, I highly doubt that this year's Spring linux installations are going to be any different. But who knows, I might end up surprised.
Borders (books and music) store in my town lets you listen to every cd they sell by scanning the cd. As does Fred Meyers and many others.
The whole "I like to try music before I buy it" excuse is plain crap. There are plenty of ways to try music without buying it, however, none as easy as p2p so far.
"I mean, damn, $17-$19 is pretty good for Help Desk, even if it is bilingual, "
Uhmm... 18 dollars an hour sucks. Spanish/English translators in my hospital get about 40 dollars an hour. Thats just straight translation. Of course, medical translation requires certification, its a technical translation degree. However, I see no difference between technically demanding medical translation and technically demanding computer translation (lots of factors here, but that software list indicates that these folks have a pretty obscure software base to support).
That job posting wants people who are both bilingual, and who know a software list thats way larger than most people would experience getting a masters in computer science. Not to mention that the software in question isn't very common.
If you are bilingual, working in a technical profession, and making 18 bucks an hour, you should feel cheated.
I was under the assumption that products are available that allow you to block traffic from any IP that sends data over a pre-defined threshold. This block happens automatically when the data limit is reached.
After the IP is marked as "blocked", the program can dynamically re-direct the traffic down a small pipe of its own.
The problem is, when a new packet comes in, a program still has to run a check to see what IP its from, and make a decision whether to keep it or block it. That in itself takes work, and if the traffic level is very high, that small amount of work can create a ddos effect itself.
The best solutions lean more towards the hardware level. With programs flashing/writing new instructions to very robuts switches and routers that block traffic that exceeds certain conditions before it even enters the space that your website resides in.
I build my own computer from time to time, and I always thought that toms hardware was a pretty good site? Does it really suck? Seemed ok to me. Anyone else think its bad, and if so why?
You analogy is a little off. It would be more accurate to say: as far as most people know, there is only one mechanic in town. The average person doesn't even know that other mechanics exist.
How do you shop around if you don't even realize that a choice exists. Thats the 90% you refer too.
There was some take about turning DRM off earlier. I believe that some services are eventually going to require DRM to function properly.
Say you sign up for a web service to download mp3s. I bet future ones will require DRM machines, so that the mp3s can't be copied off the computer or shared.
By gradually making more and more services that require DRM to work, MS will eventually force many of us to turn on DRM whether we like it or not.
Unless we fight it, of course. But MS sure seems dead set on this whole DRM idea. Its an uphill battle for us I think.
"The BIOS would also allow better control of unauthorised devices connected to a system, Microsoft said. "
So, what is MS going to define as unauthorized? I don't fear them making the machine MS only, as I doubt that would fly with their recent monopoly troubles in court, but I do fear the definition of "unauthorized devices".
So, perhaps they mean, CD players that don't use DRM and can rip audio tracks to mp3? That would be a unauthorized device?
If so, thats bad. If microsoft, in any way, starts preventing me, on a hardware level, from deciding what I want to do with my files, I'll give up MS at home and work.
It would have cost them more to use linux. Posts like this perpetuate the myth that the desktop somehow exists in its own independent world, free to randomly switch its OS when it chooses.
In large companies, that have years of custom work on certain platforms, you can't just walk in and format the desktops. Its not that simple.
I hope that everyone reads your comment YrWrstNtmr and then shuts up about switching to linux. Its pretty obvious that the majority of people on/. have never been involved with large organizations and the 10+ year development chains that you often run into when making choices about what you can, and cannot do with computers for that organization.
Using Windows SAVED the taxpayers money in this situation. I'll say that a little more firmly than YrWrstNtmr did, because its absolutely true. "Ahh, what a tangled web we weave" is very true of large organizations, who, over time, work, re-work, custom interfaces, databases, apps, etc., into such a web of interdependency, that you'd have to be DEVOTED, no, more like FERVENTLY in support of using linux to want to even begin to consider touching those interdependencies.
Actually, thats very true. Most of the english, history, etc.. majors that I graduated with in '94 are now working as "account managers" and various other weird sales/helpdesk/desktop support computer-type jobs.
I was kidding, kinda. Our last volcano eruption was what, like 20 years ago or so, and the last earthquake to cause dmg was...., grr, can't remember when the Seattle one happened.
This is just a case of politicians attempting to solve a problem by decreasing a freedom unrelated to the problem. This is how elected officials have worked since the beginning of time.
Its similar to the classroom punishment concept: One dumb kid throws a ball at another kid on the playground, so the whole class has to come inside and sit for the rest of recess. Now, what does one kid messing up have to do with the rest of the class? Nada.
Its almost as if politicians have a natural "punish the class" attitude when it comes to crime and violence. Combine that with the fact that NO unbiased research ever reaches our politicians about any of these issues....
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"OS X comes with web server (Apache), SSH server (where's that in XP anything?), a SQL database, and many other things that you can't get without XP Professional or even Win2000/2003 Server."
apache costs how much?
openssh costs how much?
mysql costs how much?
All of which run on windows, either natively, or using cygwin.
Making these things seem "exclusive" to the Mac world is trolling imo.
Yep. I remember a 1985 Popular Mechanic article that said 10 years. Every 5 years since 1985 I've heard the exact same thing.
"I'll tell you this now, the packaging system is not the factor that people base their decisions to run windows on."
/shrug, maybe I'm just lucky, but the windows msi packages just plain work.
Actually. For me it is.
I've tried about 6-7 different linux distributions and have never had success installing software. I'll get a couple things installed, then the third breaks something.
Or I'll get most my multimedia stuff installed, then try to upgrade my video driver and it breaks.
Or I'll get an mp3 player installed, and it works, but then I install another multimedia player, and my mp3 breaks.
I have never had a piece of software from a reputable vendor not install in windows.
(And while I've heard great things about apt-get and emerge, I've never used them, because not one distribution using those package managers works well with my Radeon x800. Likewise, few, if any, work with a primary sata drive).
Welcome our bionic monkey overlords
" Ubuntu can use your card.
You can try the live version.
About 3d, you need ATI to release a driver."
ATI did release a driver for the X800. Its only officially supposed to work with Redhat or Suse.
My X800 does work in any distrubution of Linux, but in VESA mode:( And that kinda defeats the purpose.
In terms of compatibility with newer hardware... well, I can tell you this:
I have tried 5 installations of various distr. of linux per year, and have NEVER had all my hardware work. In some cases, I had to manually configure various things to get it working, but in most cases, it just didn't work, period.
Saying that Ubuntu supports the X800 is just plain wrong. Like I said, sure, it'll support it in VESA mode, but not in 3D mode. Thats my whole point. Thats like saying, sure, mandrake supports your new fire wire Video camera, but you can only transfer video at 9600 baud....
My viscious circle still applies to anyone using the latest hardware. I agree its ATI's fault its not working in full 3D mode.. but if vendors refuse to change, at what point will Linux developers have to step up to break the cycle of "not supported, therefore users don't try it, since user base is small, vendors won't support it, repeat".
Exactly. I'm a windows system admin who wanted to try Linux. Unfortunately, I use the latest hardware almost exclusively, and have found that to be the biggest hurdle to me attempting to try any version of Linux.
I use an X800 video card, and have tried every thread pertaining to its installation that I could find, to no avail.
Viscious circle I guess: Linux won't support a lot of the newest hardware, therefore many people do not try Linux, therefore, the Linux desktop share never increases, therefore, vendors do not release stable drivers for linux; rinse, repeat.
Well, I was lucky enough to work for a large IT shop for a major corporation, who's answer to the cost savings issue was to fire all developers, retaining system admins/tech help only, and then outsource all development. (I'm a developer btw).
The upside for the company is, the outsource budget doesn't go through the IT budget, rather its part of the corporations "operational expenses", such as landscaping, electricity, etc.. So, from the budget standpoint, IT dropped about 30 percent of its expense.
The downside for me, of course, was I had to move towns to find a new job:(
This is just one man's opinion...
But I don't believe we will change our lifestyle's or policies until something major happens with the environment.
Name me one instance of mass behavioral change based on scientific discoveries? Thats right. There are none.
I'm sorry to say, but I doubt we'll see any action before its too late. Maybe not too late to gradual heal the planet, but probably too late to stave off some horrendous whether for a few decades.
Out of curiosity about this "new Word killer", I opened a 100 page OfficeXP .doc file, complete with pictures and tables into my newly installed AbiWord.
.doc files, it ain't replacing Word.
First time crashed. Second time, crawled to a halt, took 5-10 seconds to scroll down one page.
Sorry, but unless a word editor can flawless handle huge crappy
Yeah, always wondered why someone hasn't come up with cockpits that can only be accessed from outside the plane.
Then all you'd need is a button to fill the passenger cabin with knockout gas in the event of any trouble:)
I've been programming in the windows environment for 6 years. c/c++ desktop and server stuff earlier on, and the last few years, I've been doing more intranet web related stuff. So, I consider myself competent with computers in general. But, I've never used linux as my primary destkop.
Once a year, for the last 4 years, I've downloaded a couple different distros of linux, usually redhat and one other, install them on separate computers, and then try to do a few things. Each year I've been disappointed. This year, for instance, I install Xmms on my redhat installation, and none of my songs play. Won't play a damn thing.
Each year, after installing Linux, and trying to do basic things, I uninstall it, and reinstall Windows.
I give 2 versions of Linux ONE chance each year to get through a simple sequence of installing common apps (music, internet, mail, image editing, etc..) and then using each app. If 1 things errors, I uninstall.
Somehow, I highly doubt that this year's Spring linux installations are going to be any different. But who knows, I might end up surprised.
"If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway. "
Uhmm... I'm not sure I want you working in any Nuclear Power plants near me...
"no in-store sampling)"
Borders (books and music) store in my town lets you listen to every cd they sell by scanning the cd. As does Fred Meyers and many others.
The whole "I like to try music before I buy it" excuse is plain crap. There are plenty of ways to try music without buying it, however, none as easy as p2p so far.
Man, ever felt the burn of pepsi flowing out of your nostrils... I don't recommend it. Very funny man. Good summary of the situation as well:)
"I mean, damn, $17-$19 is pretty good for Help Desk, even if it is bilingual, "
Uhmm... 18 dollars an hour sucks. Spanish/English translators in my hospital get about 40 dollars an hour. Thats just straight translation. Of course, medical translation requires certification, its a technical translation degree. However, I see no difference between technically demanding medical translation and technically demanding computer translation (lots of factors here, but that software list indicates that these folks have a pretty obscure software base to support).
That job posting wants people who are both bilingual, and who know a software list thats way larger than most people would experience getting a masters in computer science. Not to mention that the software in question isn't very common.
If you are bilingual, working in a technical profession, and making 18 bucks an hour, you should feel cheated.
Hmmm. Well, I've never used the products I described (just talked to a friend about them).
So in reality, there isn't anything you can do if the IP attack of each client is constantly changing its sent IP address by spoofing?
Is it possible to spoof a mac address? Perhaps the products that were described to me rely on a number (other than an IP) that is harder to spoof.
I was under the assumption that products are available that allow you to block traffic from any IP that sends data over a pre-defined threshold. This block happens automatically when the data limit is reached.
After the IP is marked as "blocked", the program can dynamically re-direct the traffic down a small pipe of its own.
The problem is, when a new packet comes in, a program still has to run a check to see what IP its from, and make a decision whether to keep it or block it. That in itself takes work, and if the traffic level is very high, that small amount of work can create a ddos effect itself.
The best solutions lean more towards the hardware level. With programs flashing/writing new instructions to very robuts switches and routers that block traffic that exceeds certain conditions before it even enters the space that your website resides in.
I build my own computer from time to time, and I always thought that toms hardware was a pretty good site? Does it really suck? Seemed ok to me. Anyone else think its bad, and if so why?
You analogy is a little off. It would be more accurate to say: as far as most people know, there is only one mechanic in town. The average person doesn't even know that other mechanics exist.
How do you shop around if you don't even realize that a choice exists. Thats the 90% you refer too.
There was some take about turning DRM off earlier. I believe that some services are eventually going to require DRM to function properly.
Say you sign up for a web service to download mp3s. I bet future ones will require DRM machines, so that the mp3s can't be copied off the computer or shared.
By gradually making more and more services that require DRM to work, MS will eventually force many of us to turn on DRM whether we like it or not.
Unless we fight it, of course. But MS sure seems dead set on this whole DRM idea. Its an uphill battle for us I think.
"The BIOS would also allow better control of unauthorised devices connected to a system, Microsoft said. "
So, what is MS going to define as unauthorized? I don't fear them making the machine MS only, as I doubt that would fly with their recent monopoly troubles in court, but I do fear the definition of "unauthorized devices".
So, perhaps they mean, CD players that don't use DRM and can rip audio tracks to mp3? That would be a unauthorized device?
If so, thats bad. If microsoft, in any way, starts preventing me, on a hardware level, from deciding what I want to do with my files, I'll give up MS at home and work.
It would have cost them more to use linux. Posts like this perpetuate the myth that the desktop somehow exists in its own independent world, free to randomly switch its OS when it chooses.
In large companies, that have years of custom work on certain platforms, you can't just walk in and format the desktops. Its not that simple.
I hope that everyone reads your comment YrWrstNtmr and then shuts up about switching to linux. Its pretty obvious that the majority of people on /. have never been involved with large organizations and the 10+ year development chains that you often run into when making choices about what you can, and cannot do with computers for that organization.
Using Windows SAVED the taxpayers money in this situation. I'll say that a little more firmly than YrWrstNtmr did, because its absolutely true. "Ahh, what a tangled web we weave" is very true of large organizations, who, over time, work, re-work, custom interfaces, databases, apps, etc., into such a web of interdependency, that you'd have to be DEVOTED, no, more like FERVENTLY in support of using linux to want to even begin to consider touching those interdependencies.
Actually, thats very true. Most of the english, history, etc.. majors that I graduated with in '94 are now working as "account managers" and various other weird sales/helpdesk/desktop support computer-type jobs.
I was kidding, kinda. Our last volcano eruption was what, like 20 years ago or so, and the last earthquake to cause dmg was...., grr, can't remember when the Seattle one happened.
This is just a case of politicians attempting to solve a problem by decreasing a freedom unrelated to the problem. This is how elected officials have worked since the beginning of time.
Its similar to the classroom punishment concept: One dumb kid throws a ball at another kid on the playground, so the whole class has to come inside and sit for the rest of recess. Now, what does one kid messing up have to do with the rest of the class? Nada.
Its almost as if politicians have a natural "punish the class" attitude when it comes to crime and violence. Combine that with the fact that NO unbiased research ever reaches our politicians about any of these issues....