Switch to Chrome. Yes, they have rapid releases. But Chrome also has an MSI installer and an administration policy kit complete with group object support for the enterprise.
At least Google is trying to applease this market. I would also add that Chrome works better under Linux than Mozilla with hardware acceleration on older hardware. Some sites are just snappier and tolerable under Chrome. Chrome works with older releases of distros as well. Firefox is not the only Linux browser in town anymore and it supports more standards than Firefox. Also plugins like flash are built inside it and get updated automatically without user intervention. You never ever have to worry. Firefox is trying to copy this very badly.
Have you read his posts on slashdot? He basically called corporate users idiots and even begged some of us at work to migrate to IE. How is that professional?
Souless PR bla.. yes we all hate them and honest or not it does hurt your product and your organization's image. I no longer use Firefox, even though I use it at home. It is because an organization who does these things in my opinion is someone who is about to go downhill and I support corporate users. IE is what they will be using for sure after the CIO read's zdnet and slashdot, will be running from Mozilla like the plague.
It is possible that ASA hates corporate users and is frustrated by their conservative approaches, but perhaps many in Mozilla have a plan for an MSI installer complete with group object policies that is about to come around the corner? Think these corporations will want to use it now after ASA opened his big mouth. HELL NO.
Does he work in the PR department? If not then he is not authorized to speak. I have seen him on ZDNET and here and if this happened with any other for-profit-corp they would be canned ASAP.
He may have opinions and that is fine, but he is taking the role as a Mozilla spokesperson and hurting your company's image. Seriously, I do not know what your level at Mozilla is, or how open it is to hear from people several levels below senior management, but I would be furious if I were you. No one has any right to insult a section of your customer base as annoying as they are.
How unprofessional and shocking from one of the most well respected browser makers. I can't recommend it to clients anymore, not to mention the quality has gone so far downhill. It seems Firefox is the new IE of the 10's decade.
Chrome as rapid as it is, has at least an enterprise version of itself complete with an MSI installer and administrator tools and activedirectory policies for updates. Why couldn't Mozilla do this? It is not hard.
You know what? It doesn't matter if corporate America is holding everyone... book boo hiss.
By Mozilla refusing to service this market they only hurt themselves and HTML 5. As a webmaster, why would you bother with it since the majority of people use IE? Just use outdated CSS 1.x as that is the most popular standard the world! Sigh...
Now the corporations will surely hold onto it and the users will want to use it at home since it is what they know from work, which then feeds itself all over again. A few corps have migrated to Firefox over the years. Right now they are making plans to go back to IE.
I even saw a post from a Mozilla hacker begging for a user who gripped on rapid releases to use IE. Well guess what? If my product is geared towards enterprise user I will notice the spike in IE users and frankly go back in time with standards and only support IE. Is that what you really want? No one will care about innovation and will just gripe how slow and bloated your browser is as the majority of users will use Firefox with outdated sites where they get all bloat and no benefits.
Chrome is now my default browser even though I used to trash it and I still hate its interface. I just do not see a future with Firefox anymore and when the writting is on the wall it is time to move on. I may switch to IE 9, but it is not adopted yet.
... this post was a just a gripe, but it is emotional for me as I supported Firefox for a long long time back when it was Phoenix. It saved the world from IE and proprietary standards to open ones. I do not want to go back to that place.
I smell a rat. A week ago another skype deal article was posted where those who had stock options were all canned 1 min before deal, so the private IPO firm could steal all the cash from the executives. All the posts here are for the company saying this guy is a moron. I have to say moderators forget that the contract was made in bad faith. Basically they work under a promise they will make a fortune, while the equity firm puts as much legal terms to lie and cheat there way out. I hate laywers greatly, but I hope the get sued.
I lived on the Hudson in lower manhaten and it never stank and was quite clean. I would go swimming in there without a problem if the currents were not so dangerous. On the other side in New Jersey you can see the sand on the bottom and see several feet down at the fish in the water. 20 years ago the water was much more polluted but industry has moved to China cleaning the river up. Near south street seaport you can see a beach too from the bridge too as the east river becomes cleaner.... now the waters in Flushing are contaminated still with seawage and I would avoid those.
How much would melt away in reentry? Objects that big have been caught on camera before and thankfully bounced off back into space. I would not want this to hit my house but if only 5 or 6 feet service it would not be a life altering event other than a big pop somewhere or splash. I believe the astroid that killed the dinosars was a quarter mile wide wasn't it? Now that would be devestating.
Minimalism is the wave of the future. We all remember when Gnome Shell/Unity came out, on how slashdot was so overjoyous and beaming with pure excitement and energy. Suddenly, simple tasks that took one or two clicks were simply gone! It now took more clicks or could not be done at all. I mean the highlight was when the minimize and maximize buttons were removed, so we could focus on single tasking with one app at a time like a real Unix geek would do.
Firefox 4 was also a great reaction from slashdot with all its features removed with such positive fanfair from all the comments. Firefox 5 was even more positive and the only complaint, was you could still have basic functionality.
Infact, I am typing this and my dissertation in textedit rather than Word. I can now focus on what I am doing rather than using the program to do thinks like check APA format sourcing, adding bibliographies, and so on. That is sooo 20th century and lame. The only thing needed to to run text edit through some emulators like Word uses to be compatible with the older versions in Windows all no other functionality of course.
Doesn't Lord of the Rings Online already have such a system? It became big and kind of died a little, but is still going strong. How is this different than EVE? People still play LOTRO. It seems that game though it is less built in gear than say WOW where it is everything. Is Eve more WOW like or did most people really leave LOTRO when it went free with pay for items?
The problem is the board does not want free. hence concerned for short term profits. They want to charge money and that is hard with Chrome out that is free and always as up to date.
It is just as fast if nto faster and it is moving faster than any other browser suppoprting HTML 5 and so on. Opera can not catch up unless it changes its business model and you can't resell a browser every 3 months out when a new version is out. If they stay conservative than it falls behind Chrome.
The problem is IE. It didnt follow standards. In the past ms would do things like get a good unix and cripple it on purpose. The result is many xenix/sco apos would not be ported to solaris or were ported and left it behund. No doubt mses strategy is the same with IE. The pure anguish of cross porting made IE a standard overnight not to mention ms prefers us to use win32 client apps and has a vested interest agaisnt the web. Our bosses mixed with the recession trained us to only look at sales as good returns on investments and nosing down I.T. As costs centers. Business not only no longer favors I.T. But hates it as we enter the accountants as gods age in management. So new releases =bad as they dont bring in new sales or customers. Sad indeed and these same companies still use the aweful IE 6 and 7.
Chrome is just as bad on my system. IE 9 uses the least amount of ram and the only version that doesny suck. Heavy graphical sites run smoothly and use more of the gpu compared to Firefox and chrome. Give it a try?
Yes I do. Infact, they overwhelmingly support IE over Firefox since day one for these very reasons. I am sure many CIOs are patting themselves in the back well done for supporting Microsoft. If only IE were still supported for corporate mac users.
Chrome is working on enterprise level controlled releases and patches for corporate users. What has mozilla done? Shoot a browser upgrade could costs hundreds of thousands in testing and developing
"At the other end of the spectrum, if you want to teach a concept, you don't want your examples to be filled with so much code that is irrelevant to what you are trying to teach, that it gets in the way. My high school computing classes used Java as a teaching language, and the examples were 90% event handling code for the GUI that was showing our results, and 10% code for the actual concept I was trying to learn.
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Java is a poor choice to learn a new language or simple concepts. I struggled and hated Java until I took C++ first with functional and then later object oriented concepts. Then retook Java and it was easy and now powerful. It is too object oriented and if you do not know object oriented concepts, it can be a hair raising experience to do anything useful.
Javascript is much better and can be done in a browser. Java is great for complex very large apps because of the extra layers and cement, but still for 80% of uses. Hence, why php is the most popular language for websites.
The problem is HR requires computer science degrees and then whines that they can't do ASP.NET or know help desk methods for customers! In India, they teach these things and businesses have noticed. It makes the US look bad as they do not give a shit about the science of algorithms. They need an ASP.NET grunt and assume that is what computer science is. Meanwhile people who know it are turned down because they do not have computer science degrees.
Teaching is being insourced by cheaper teachers in Latin America in Lousiana and Florida. Over 50,000 teachers got pink slipped due to the lack of funds from the recession. My exwife was a teacher and the jobs are not secure anymore. More people are graduating teaching school than open positions thanks to outsourcing from other industries.
"Maybe where you live. Here in the Netherlands, that's simply not true. Good coders are appreciated, well-paid and treated as humans. But the latter part might not be related to the profession and more with a difference in work ethic between the US and Europe"
The US gets HUGE tax breaks by laying off its workers and more breaks with health care costs (40% of salary). After laying off millions and going overseas, these same employers that hired a few back can treat them like slaves because 50 applicants are begging for the job and sending hundreds of resumes a week. It is hard to tell your boss to fuck himself, when he knows he can replace you so easily.
I am getting into coding, but plan to make it a startup and be an MBA type, just because I want job security and respect that lower level employees do not get. Accountants in the US also label programmers as cost centers and managers and salesmen as profit centers. This means that they are despised and looked down as a liability to the company that takes away money, while everyone else makes it.
That is the attitude difference and I think it is disgusting. Accounting standards really defined anyone not selling as a dreaded cost.
I was a substitute teacher last year and it is taught starting from 7th grade that they need to start thinking about careers and taking classes in Jr high and highschool that will help them later on. Guest speakers from different industries come and tell students whats hot and what careers can coincide their strengths. Yes, they are told that many computer scinece jobs have gone to India as well as manufacturing going to China. This is more of a scare tactic to make them want to go to college.
Many students are into technology where they equate a cool IPAD/Phone/Computer as web apps. Word is boring, most games outside of World of Warcraft are boring, and the cool stuff is flash or HTML 5 based. It is popular with them.
Clouds and internet sites replacing IT workers is the new norm in the next decade and the students are prepared for that. Coding itself is changing as no one needs to write assembly routines or tiker high end C code to make a cool game work now. Infact, operating systems have evolved where you no longer need autoexec.bat or memmaker to learn why your game uses extended and not expended ram for the 1024k wall, where the DOS drivers fight for... shudder.
HTML 5 and phone applets are exciting and much easier to code for. Let the engineers worry about assembly code and C, as they are an ever decreasing demand but all but specialized cases now.
Mozilla's original mobile was for Windows Mobile. I wonder if it got canned or if it is still in development? I remember reading rumors about Microsoft's.NET mobile EULA causing issues and it made have killed that port.
I was more of thinking of stating the same thing back to the MBA type that they are replacable too. If they all hell no I generated x amount of money. I will simply say, so can many other willing to do your job for less in this economy. It is funny that those who say replacable someone think they are not.
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Switch to Chrome. Yes, they have rapid releases. But Chrome also has an MSI installer and an administration policy kit complete with group object support for the enterprise.
At least Google is trying to applease this market. I would also add that Chrome works better under Linux than Mozilla with hardware acceleration on older hardware. Some sites are just snappier and tolerable under Chrome. Chrome works with older releases of distros as well. Firefox is not the only Linux browser in town anymore and it supports more standards than Firefox. Also plugins like flash are built inside it and get updated automatically without user intervention. You never ever have to worry. Firefox is trying to copy this very badly.
Have you read his posts on slashdot? He basically called corporate users idiots and even begged some of us at work to migrate to IE. How is that professional?
Souless PR bla .. yes we all hate them and honest or not it does hurt your product and your organization's image. I no longer use Firefox, even though I use it at home. It is because an organization who does these things in my opinion is someone who is about to go downhill and I support corporate users. IE is what they will be using for sure after the CIO read's zdnet and slashdot, will be running from Mozilla like the plague.
It is possible that ASA hates corporate users and is frustrated by their conservative approaches, but perhaps many in Mozilla have a plan for an MSI installer complete with group object policies that is about to come around the corner? Think these corporations will want to use it now after ASA opened his big mouth. HELL NO.
Fire him
Does he work in the PR department? If not then he is not authorized to speak. I have seen him on ZDNET and here and if this happened with any other for-profit-corp they would be canned ASAP.
He may have opinions and that is fine, but he is taking the role as a Mozilla spokesperson and hurting your company's image. Seriously, I do not know what your level at Mozilla is, or how open it is to hear from people several levels below senior management, but I would be furious if I were you. No one has any right to insult a section of your customer base as annoying as they are.
How unprofessional and shocking from one of the most well respected browser makers. I can't recommend it to clients anymore, not to mention the quality has gone so far downhill. It seems Firefox is the new IE of the 10's decade.
Chrome as rapid as it is, has at least an enterprise version of itself complete with an MSI installer and administrator tools and activedirectory policies for updates. Why couldn't Mozilla do this? It is not hard.
You know what? It doesn't matter if corporate America is holding everyone ... book boo hiss.
By Mozilla refusing to service this market they only hurt themselves and HTML 5. As a webmaster, why would you bother with it since the majority of people use IE? Just use outdated CSS 1.x as that is the most popular standard the world! Sigh ...
Now the corporations will surely hold onto it and the users will want to use it at home since it is what they know from work, which then feeds itself all over again. A few corps have migrated to Firefox over the years. Right now they are making plans to go back to IE.
I even saw a post from a Mozilla hacker begging for a user who gripped on rapid releases to use IE. Well guess what? If my product is geared towards enterprise user I will notice the spike in IE users and frankly go back in time with standards and only support IE. Is that what you really want? No one will care about innovation and will just gripe how slow and bloated your browser is as the majority of users will use Firefox with outdated sites where they get all bloat and no benefits.
Chrome is now my default browser even though I used to trash it and I still hate its interface. I just do not see a future with Firefox anymore and when the writting is on the wall it is time to move on. I may switch to IE 9, but it is not adopted yet.
I smell a rat. A week ago another skype deal article was posted where those who had stock options were all canned 1 min before deal, so the private IPO firm could steal all the cash from the executives. All the posts here are for the company saying this guy is a moron. I have to say moderators forget that the contract was made in bad faith. Basically they work under a promise they will make a fortune, while the equity firm puts as much legal terms to lie and cheat there way out. I hate laywers greatly, but I hope the get sued.
Did it smell like shit?
I lived on the Hudson in lower manhaten and it never stank and was quite clean. I would go swimming in there without a problem if the currents were not so dangerous. On the other side in New Jersey you can see the sand on the bottom and see several feet down at the fish in the water. 20 years ago the water was much more polluted but industry has moved to China cleaning the river up. Near south street seaport you can see a beach too from the bridge too as the east river becomes cleaner. ... now the waters in Flushing are contaminated still with seawage and I would avoid those.
How much would melt away in reentry? Objects that big have been caught on camera before and thankfully bounced off back into space. I would not want this to hit my house but if only 5 or 6 feet service it would not be a life altering event other than a big pop somewhere or splash. I believe the astroid that killed the dinosars was a quarter mile wide wasn't it? Now that would be devestating.
Minimalism is the wave of the future. We all remember when Gnome Shell/Unity came out, on how slashdot was so overjoyous and beaming with pure excitement and energy. Suddenly, simple tasks that took one or two clicks were simply gone! It now took more clicks or could not be done at all. I mean the highlight was when the minimize and maximize buttons were removed, so we could focus on single tasking with one app at a time like a real Unix geek would do.
Firefox 4 was also a great reaction from slashdot with all its features removed with such positive fanfair from all the comments. Firefox 5 was even more positive and the only complaint, was you could still have basic functionality.
Infact, I am typing this and my dissertation in textedit rather than Word. I can now focus on what I am doing rather than using the program to do thinks like check APA format sourcing, adding bibliographies, and so on. That is sooo 20th century and lame. The only thing needed to to run text edit through some emulators like Word uses to be compatible with the older versions in Windows all no other functionality of course.
I look forward to Final Cut Pro X!
Doesn't Lord of the Rings Online already have such a system? It became big and kind of died a little, but is still going strong. How is this different than EVE? People still play LOTRO. It seems that game though it is less built in gear than say WOW where it is everything. Is Eve more WOW like or did most people really leave LOTRO when it went free with pay for items?
The problem is the board does not want free. hence concerned for short term profits. They want to charge money and that is hard with Chrome out that is free and always as up to date.
One word Chrome.
It is just as fast if nto faster and it is moving faster than any other browser suppoprting HTML 5 and so on. Opera can not catch up unless it changes its business model and you can't resell a browser every 3 months out when a new version is out. If they stay conservative than it falls behind Chrome.
The problem is IE. It didnt follow standards. In the past ms would do things like get a good unix and cripple it on purpose. The result is many xenix/sco apos would not be ported to solaris or were ported and left it behund. No doubt mses strategy is the same with IE. The pure anguish of cross porting made IE a standard overnight not to mention ms prefers us to use win32 client apps and has a vested interest agaisnt the web. Our bosses mixed with the recession trained us to only look at sales as good returns on investments and nosing down I.T. As costs centers. Business not only no longer favors I.T. But hates it as we enter the accountants as gods age in management. So new releases =bad as they dont bring in new sales or customers. Sad indeed and these same companies still use the aweful IE 6 and 7.
Chrome is just as bad on my system. IE 9 uses the least amount of ram and the only version that doesny suck. Heavy graphical sites run smoothly and use more of the gpu compared to Firefox and chrome. Give it a try?
Yes I do. Infact, they overwhelmingly support IE over Firefox since day one for these very reasons. I am sure many CIOs are patting themselves in the back well done for supporting Microsoft. If only IE were still supported for corporate mac users.
Chrome is working on enterprise level controlled releases and patches for corporate users. What has mozilla done? Shoot a browser upgrade could costs hundreds of thousands in testing and developing
Dude! Nokia is old people.
"At the other end of the spectrum, if you want to teach a concept, you don't want your examples to be filled with so much code that is irrelevant to what you are trying to teach, that it gets in the way. My high school computing classes used Java as a teaching language, and the examples were 90% event handling code for the GUI that was showing our results, and 10% code for the actual concept I was trying to learn.
"
Java is a poor choice to learn a new language or simple concepts. I struggled and hated Java until I took C++ first with functional and then later object oriented concepts. Then retook Java and it was easy and now powerful. It is too object oriented and if you do not know object oriented concepts, it can be a hair raising experience to do anything useful.
Javascript is much better and can be done in a browser. Java is great for complex very large apps because of the extra layers and cement, but still for 80% of uses. Hence, why php is the most popular language for websites.
The problem is HR requires computer science degrees and then whines that they can't do ASP.NET or know help desk methods for customers! In India, they teach these things and businesses have noticed. It makes the US look bad as they do not give a shit about the science of algorithms. They need an ASP.NET grunt and assume that is what computer science is. Meanwhile people who know it are turned down because they do not have computer science degrees.
Teaching is being insourced by cheaper teachers in Latin America in Lousiana and Florida. Over 50,000 teachers got pink slipped due to the lack of funds from the recession. My exwife was a teacher and the jobs are not secure anymore. More people are graduating teaching school than open positions thanks to outsourcing from other industries.
"Maybe where you live. Here in the Netherlands, that's simply not true. Good coders are appreciated, well-paid and treated as humans. But the latter part might not be related to the profession and more with a difference in work ethic between the US and Europe"
The US gets HUGE tax breaks by laying off its workers and more breaks with health care costs (40% of salary). After laying off millions and going overseas, these same employers that hired a few back can treat them like slaves because 50 applicants are begging for the job and sending hundreds of resumes a week. It is hard to tell your boss to fuck himself, when he knows he can replace you so easily.
I am getting into coding, but plan to make it a startup and be an MBA type, just because I want job security and respect that lower level employees do not get. Accountants in the US also label programmers as cost centers and managers and salesmen as profit centers. This means that they are despised and looked down as a liability to the company that takes away money, while everyone else makes it.
That is the attitude difference and I think it is disgusting. Accounting standards really defined anyone not selling as a dreaded cost.
Students do know about offshoring.
I was a substitute teacher last year and it is taught starting from 7th grade that they need to start thinking about careers and taking classes in Jr high and highschool that will help them later on. Guest speakers from different industries come and tell students whats hot and what careers can coincide their strengths. Yes, they are told that many computer scinece jobs have gone to India as well as manufacturing going to China. This is more of a scare tactic to make them want to go to college.
Many students are into technology where they equate a cool IPAD/Phone/Computer as web apps. Word is boring, most games outside of World of Warcraft are boring, and the cool stuff is flash or HTML 5 based. It is popular with them.
Clouds and internet sites replacing IT workers is the new norm in the next decade and the students are prepared for that. Coding itself is changing as no one needs to write assembly routines or tiker high end C code to make a cool game work now. Infact, operating systems have evolved where you no longer need autoexec.bat or memmaker to learn why your game uses extended and not expended ram for the 1024k wall, where the DOS drivers fight for ... shudder.
HTML 5 and phone applets are exciting and much easier to code for. Let the engineers worry about assembly code and C, as they are an ever decreasing demand but all but specialized cases now.
No goatse. It is safe to click. It is just a creative way to use perl and a squid proxy to mess with the jpeg images being transmitted back and forth.
Go look at the last 3 seconds and look behind the bottle? If you do a search ... I wont post it here ... you will. Nevermind ...
Mozilla's original mobile was for Windows Mobile. I wonder if it got canned or if it is still in development? I remember reading rumors about Microsoft's .NET mobile EULA causing issues and it made have killed that port.
I was more of thinking of stating the same thing back to the MBA type that they are replacable too. If they all hell no I generated x amount of money. I will simply say, so can many other willing to do your job for less in this economy. It is funny that those who say replacable someone think they are not.