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Fired IT Worker Replaces CEO's Presentation With Porn

An anonymous reader writes "52-year-old Walter Powell wanted revenge when he was fired from his position as an IT manager at Baltimore Substance Abuse System Inc. So, he hacked into their systems — installing keyloggers to steal passwords. Then, when his CEO was giving a presentation to the board of directors he replaced the slides with pornographic images. Powell has now been given a 2 year suspended sentence, and 100 hours community service."

316 comments

  1. Awesome by headhot · · Score: 4, Funny

    For no jail time, I think it was almost worth it. Too bad Terry Childs didn't get the same deal.

    1. Re:Awesome by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude - 100 hours community service?

      *Totally* worth it. >:)

      (okay, probably not. I'm pretty sure he got promptly black-balled and will likely have to move.)

      As for Childs? The diff is that Powell pissed in the corn flakes of a small private company CEO.

      Childs' big mistake (well, the biggest one among many) was that he pissed in the corn flakes of bureaucrats whose sense of petty revenge apparently knows no bounds.

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    2. Re:Awesome by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 2

      "Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned."

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    3. Re:Awesome by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude - 100 hours community service?

      *Totally* worth it. >:)

      (okay, probably not. I'm pretty sure he got promptly black-balled and will likely have to move.)

      Move? He'd be lucky if that's all that happens. He's unlikely to ever get a job of any significance again. Would you want this guy working for you?

    4. Re:Awesome by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would you want this guy working for you?

      I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.

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    5. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ransom, huh? How much did he ask for? In fact, in what way would Childs have materially benefited from his actions? Answer: in no way could he have benefited, so stop making shit up, asshole.

    6. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but it's not that simple..

    7. Re:Awesome by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Problem with the scenario: people (like yourself) are already saying "For that penalty, it's almost worth it.".

      Anytime the penalty is "worth it", it's not acting as the deterrent that it should be.

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    8. Re:Awesome by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should cut his nuts off.

      That way all the other computer janitors in the US will shuffle along swiftly and doff their caps humbly to the wealth creating class, motivated by FEAR.

      /Oh sorry, wrong forum.

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    9. Re:Awesome by westlake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For no jail time, I think it was almost worth it. Too bad Terry Childs didn't get the same deal.

      Strike 1:

      This guy is 52 years old.

      Strike 2:

      He pled guilty to a felony charge directly related to IT - and one guaranteed to make him all but unemployable even as a greeter at Walmart.

      Strike 3.

      His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home.

    10. Re:Awesome by vadim_t · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, it's retarded.

      He got an insignificant revenge. So the board got to see some huge boobs for maybe 10 seconds before somebody turned the projector off. Big deal, they'll probably forget about it a week later, and it will have no appreciable effect on the business. At most it'll make them reevaluate their IT hiring policies.

      In exchange for that, this may well be a carreer ending move. And instead of it being done for some noble cause like exposing rampant corruption, he's done it for one of the stupidest reasons possible.

    11. Re:Awesome by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you want this guy working for you?

      I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.

      Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.

    12. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No- he was asked by his supervisor to hand over passwords. The only problems were: 1) his supervisor was not authorized to have those passwords. 2) the request was made over the phone (specifically a no-no according to the password handling rules), and 3) it was a Conference call, with god-knows who listening in (discussing passwords where they can be overheard by others is another no-no).

      Other charges were exaggerated, like saying he 'wiped' passwords out of routers so they wouldn't boot back up after a power failure. In actuality, it's a common practice to disable password recovery on routers when they cannot be physically secured- otherwise any fool with a laptop and console cable can connect and get the password.

      See http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,149159/printable.html for more info.

    13. Re:Awesome by joebagodonuts · · Score: 2
      Tilting at Windmills is often misunderstood and disparaged. Sometimes, you have to say "Fuck it. I ain't gonna take it any more"

      Besides, "career ending move" has a different meaning when you are 52 years old. I suspect he won't be missing his IT career too much.

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    14. Re:Awesome by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds well suited for a job at Geek Squad.

    15. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Asking to only give the passwords to the Mayor is holding them hostage?

      Fail again. Asshole.

    16. Re:Awesome by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 0

      He broke in. The fact that he did it using a computer doesn't change the fact that he broke in. I know the general Slashdot imaginarium likes to believe that somehow things don't count when they're done using a computer, but that's fantasy.

    17. Re:Awesome by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.

      Well put, Is not coincidence that I'm reading /. and not AdAge? but...

      does that mean that everyone in the marketing department is capable of being IT managers?

      Is Apple years light ahead when it decided to let marketing weight more than IT?

      Did Microsoft tried to do the same as Apple since the beginning of the IT ages and failed miserably relegating itself to deliver services and products that (more or less) work on the corporate scene while intentionally delivering the worst advertising of all IT industry?

      Is IBM the reptilians of IT because seems like nobody gets to see their marketing efforts yet they do much more research than the others combined?

      THIS and more questions in our next episode of WHEN I.T. AND MARKETING COLLIDE!!1

    18. Re:Awesome by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I buy that logic. If I'm late to work, I might decide that speeding to get to work faster and keep my job is "worth" the risk of a speeding ticket. Heck, even if the penalty were death (and I suppose the penalty for speeding is often death), there are people desperate enough to keep their jobs to take that risk. Should we punish people more depending on how much they stand to gain from successful crime? Thus speeders late to work would be given larger fines than people just joyriding?

    19. Re:Awesome by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      Now that you mention it, yes, it was something childish. He probably could have changed small number here and there in the presentation, or drop some tables or install a backdoor/dms capitalizing it in 6 months when he gets to contact a "reliable criminal" that will give him big money for the access.

      If you're about to screw with someone, do it like a boss! (pun intended)

    20. Re:Awesome by vadim_t · · Score: 2

      I still think it's stupid.

      Yeah, sometimes pulling off some stunt is satisfying. But in this case it just doesn't seem worth it. Dealing with getting sued, lawyers, paperwork, related hassle, the cost of all that, and the consequences just to pull off a stupid stunt that everybody affected will shortly forget just seems like a horrible tradeoff.

      The joke's on him really. The "victims" probably even like it, because now the one who fired him is absolutely sure they made the right decision, and whoever was involved in dragging him to court is probably telling tales of how he taught some uppity nerd a lesson.

    21. Re:Awesome by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "The only problems were: 1) his supervisor was not authorized to have those passwords."

      Yet he had sent that same supervisor passwords previously. Why do you suppose that is?

    22. Re:Awesome by ehintz · · Score: 2

      Eh. He's 52. Odds of getting back in the tech game at that age diminish quickly, even if you're completely clean. Just about time to start thinking about something new and interesting to pursue anyway, so why not go out with a bang... (not that I would, I'm not one for bridge burning, but I'd wager the guy hasn't really hurt his future tech employment odds by much, since there's probably precious few anyway)

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    23. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't piss him off and you should be fine?

    24. Re:Awesome by ArcadeNut · · Score: 1

      This tangent reminds me of this....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNcDI_uBGUo

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    25. Re:Awesome by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it probably won't hurt him very much. We have a BofH that works in my area, hopping from place to place, with surprisingly similar behaviors here, and he just keeps finding new jobs. He'll work somewhere 6-24 months, get fired, (and usually try to exact revenge) and then just finds another sucker in no time.

      The problem here is so many companies are looking for computer experts because they aren't computer experts, so it's a market ripe for continuous abuse. There's always another sucker in this business, even in a small area like where I live. Simple background and reference checks would put these sorts out of business, but it's just not common enough because enough of the people doing the hiring don't know what to look for, even though it's dead simple.

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    26. Re:Awesome by cyborch · · Score: 2

      Given how many people hate their jobs I'd say the penalty for joyriding should be higher than the penalty for speeding to get to work on time...

    27. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you know that you're an asshat that does things that piss people off *so badly* that they are willing to risk legal and professional harm just to get back at you?

      I find it really interesting that most corporate punks are more interested in whether or not an employee will suck up and play nice even under abuse and mistreatment than they are if the person can actually excel at their duties. I guess it makes sense since most American companies only care about covering their asses and making money on the backs of anyone they can get away with taking advantage of. *shrug*

    28. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone can hold an entire city to ransom, they are clearly not "just another disposable grunt admin".

      I don't think you understand the concept of "disposable". It means when you're gone, they don't miss you. If you're gone and they want passwords that only you have, you weren't disposable.

    29. Re:Awesome by syousef · · Score: 0

      Every post for the last 3 ends in the word "asshole"

      That's the trouble with slashdot....too many assholes.

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    30. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of rules out Firefox, Chrome, IE and Safari, doesn't it.

    31. Re:Awesome by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      It's called "bending the rules". It's pretty fun to not do when you someone you don't like is demanding it.

    32. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're up to four posts in this thread (and this makes five) that end in asshole!

    33. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.

      If you were a quality employer, you wouldn't be pissing off your employees. If you are, you deserve whatever comes back to you for abuse of power.

    34. Re:Awesome by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      He could pass himself off as a security consultant rather easily, I would imagine.

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    35. Re:Awesome by frozentier · · Score: 2

      Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.

      Yeah, but that's a chance you take with ANY IT manager. Regardless of technical knowledge, they are all human beings.

    36. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      So... you hire people with the intention of screwing them over...?

    37. Re:Awesome by nomadic · · Score: 0, Troll

      It could also be because there were no formal rules defining who an authorized user was. Childs made up the definition.

    38. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't piss him off and you should be fine?

      And that is a better solution than not having to worry about what might piss him off since you didn't hire him in the first place because ... ?

    39. Re:Awesome by sstamps · · Score: 2

      Not sure wtf that is supposed to mean. Who said he has left "the tech game"? Getting old by itself doesn't make knowledge and experience just poof, ya know. I fully expect to continue to do research, programming, and tech work until the day they find me keeled over on my keyboard.

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    40. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home.

      In a nutshell, doesn't that mean its illegal for him to have any proprietary (or popular *nix) operating systems? After all, last I checked, nearly all of them ship with some kind of remote desktop interface.

    41. Re:Awesome by h0dg3s · · Score: 2

      I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes! Keep firing, assholes!

    42. Re:Awesome by syousef · · Score: 1

      I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!

      Keep firing, assholes!

      Ludicrous speed!!!

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    43. Re:Awesome by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

      Kind of rules out Firefox, Chrome, IE and Safari, doesn't it.

      Kind of rules out Windows XP.... which comes with Remote Desktop Connection built right in. As does Vista and 7. Guess he can use an iPad as long as he doesn't buy one of those VNC or RDP apps....

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    44. Re:Awesome by arkenian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone can hold an entire city to ransom, they are clearly not "just another disposable grunt admin".

      I don't think you understand the concept of "disposable". It means when you're gone, they don't miss you. If you're gone and they want passwords that only you have, you weren't disposable.

      No, it means you weren't doing your job right and deserved to be fired. Any IT admin who doesn't put all the key admin passwords written down in a secure vault should be fired even if you can't get the passwords out of him and have to re-do your servers.

    45. Re:Awesome by ehintz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Preachin' to the choir.

      Sad reality is, it's a young folks game. We old timers demand higher salaries, start getting bitchy about 80 hour weeks once we have families, etc. Bright eyed and bushytailed IT grads are cheaper and look more busy (prolly 'cause they haven't yet learned how to run shit efficiently, but PHBs don't comprehend that). Not to say there aren't gigs out there, but at the ripe old age of 42 I'm already pragmatically making contingency plans. Like it or not, there's a bias towards young folks in high tech. Which isn't to say it can't be done, but it's more of a challenge the older ya get. Fortunately that bias seems quite a bit less pronounced down here in NZ, which was one of the many reasons I buggered off here 8 odd years ago. I figure I'm doing better here than I would have if staying in the SFBA.

      (also, you mention programming/research-I expect those have higher old age retentions than sysadmin type work, particularly research)

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    46. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a manager capable of editing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.

      FTFY.

    47. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he can't run windows? Or is there a way to remove Remote Desktop?

    48. Re:Awesome by Dainsanefh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      People like you is exactly why we need laws that has mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient. Human behaviours can be fixed easily if you know how to manage.

      I know if I come across one of these people I will hire immediately and he will turn out like a military veteran under my training. It is all about getting the right boss.

      People like you is why Amerika is going down.

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    49. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus implying that you enjoy pissing off employees?

      I don't see the harm, depending on the circumstances. If the guy had been fired without reason, and the company "security" was such a joke, I would have applauded the man to do what he did.

      If they had been decent people to him in letting him go, I expect this would never have been an issue. Karma's a bitch.

    50. Re:Awesome by tftp · · Score: 1

      If you were a quality employer, you wouldn't be pissing off your employees. If you are, you deserve whatever comes back to you for abuse of power.

      There are many problems with this position.

      1. Who determines who is and who isn't a quality employer? What if the worker's expectations are unreasonable? ($500K/yr salary and free hookers, for example.)
      2. Even if the manager is not a quality person, it is wrong to threaten the company.
      3. It is usually wrong to go vigilante - the response is often out of proportion and illegal. See "going postal."

      In other words, there should be no situation when a worker is justified in doing something to hurt his boss or the company (except in very narrowly defined cases of self-defense or defense of others against an imminent, deadly threat when you can't retreat.) Pulling a stunt like that only proves that the decision to fire this "loose cannon" was correct.

    51. Re:Awesome by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Your not saying there is age discrimination in the IT field are you?? lol

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    52. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Managers don't require knowledge, they are supposed to manage people that do have the knowledge.

    53. Re:Awesome by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Ah age discrimination the number 1 strike. interesting considering age discrimination is against the law in all 50 states. Now i can see a person having trouble finding jobs that are physical in nature but as long as you keep your mind busy it shouldn't come into the picture for non physical jobs don't ya think?

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    54. Re:Awesome by elsurexiste · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People like you is exactly why we need laws that has mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient. Human behaviours can be fixed easily if you know how to manage.

      I know if I come across one of these people I will hire immediately and he will turn out like a military veteran under my training. It is all about getting the right boss.

      People like you is why Amerika is going down.

      Well, I'm not from Amerika, and I wouldn't hire him. If he can't control himself, how the hell can I trust on his leadership as a manager? When I had that urge to cause mayhem on a previous shitty job, I quitted. As simple as that. No amount of stupid revenge can pay for a clean ethics record.

      Besides... Installing keyloggers to extract passwords from those assholes at the top? Is that professional nowadays, an indication of proficiency, to use your words? My little sister installed one and she's only 8, so it's not really technical proficiency. I'm afraid I can't understand how the hell were you modded Insightful.

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    55. Re:Awesome by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient. Human behaviours can be fixed easily if you know how to manage.

      Your requirement of proficiency renders the whole concept moot.

      Managers who are proficient at doing anything wouldn't be managers.

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    56. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the trouble with slashdot....too many assholes.

      Spot on, and that half-green, half-red pill icon after your uid means you're amongst the biggest.

    57. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move? He'd be lucky if that's all that happens.

      Really? Things have gotten that bad in America? Man, if it's true, that would be like there's a single collective body administering the public behaviour, making sure everyone conforms to a very specific manner and expression. Is that the new, bastardized definition of "democracy" being pushed these days?

    58. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the indispensable person where I work. I'm leaving because of that (among other things). They lean on me and I can't ever go 24 hours without a phone call, weekends and holiday included. And for things that could have waited 48 hours or more.

      So far, they've focused on one aspect of my job that's almost incidental as a base requirement. And it looks like there's nobody available with that skill set, so they are going to get close and miss. They don't even have the basic competence to replace me, despite my offers to assist to that end. Sadly, they were overpaying me (well, not overpaying me based on what I did, but overpaying based on the job title and description), causing me to stay there long past when I should have left, and they'll likely overpay my replacement as well (and given who I think they will hire, grossly overpay).

    59. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on how much of a dick the CEO was. I have known some bosses where doing that would be a positive if they didn't like the CEO in question.

    60. Re:Awesome by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient? You've never had to work with any real creeps, have you? Fine, person shows up, is proficient but has a employment history of sexual harassment towards both males and females. You're telling me you're going to hire them?

    61. Re:Awesome by Jstlook · · Score: 1

      Sad reality is, it's a young folks game

      I really, really, REALLY wonder how the young folks of today are going to react in 10 or 15 years when they're in the same position their elders are today. What's their (or your) backup plan? What's your long-term plan?

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    62. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could disable Remote Desktop and still be illegal because the CLI allows FTP and telnet...

    63. Re:Awesome by ehintz · · Score: 1

      Personally? Most of my long term plan was emmigrating to New Zealand. Where my healthcare is covered and the discrimination isn't as pronounced. :) Also, I've been playing the age old game of transitioning from Sysadmin to PHB, which will buy a few more years. If I do get dumped around 50 or so, with inflation etc, by then my mortgage payment should be doable on a more average man salary. And because it's NZ, I got an ocean view too. Couldn't afford that on sysadmin pay back in San Fran.

      Dream job? Crew on the medivac chopper. No age discrimination there. :) Haven't even tried yet, no way the pay will match IT mgmt. Another possible fallback would be firefighter. But again, mortgage should be low enough by then that big salary won't matter much (and perks like med ins are mostly irrelevant in a reasonable country). Even boring crap like truck driver would do.

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    64. Re:Awesome by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

      You're saying people should be eager to hire the guy from the story? I dunno man... sounds like a seriously unbalanced dude. Not that nobody should ever hire him, but I'd be wary. People can be weird... you can't be sure you'll keep every single person happy all of the time just by being a good boss.

      The one thing you hope to be able to count on, at the very least, is that a person wants to avoid jail and be employable at some point in their future.

    65. Re:Awesome by crazyeddie740 · · Score: 1

      He's a 52 year old IT manager who was fired. He probably didn't have a good chance of getting a new job (in IT at least) anyway.

    66. Re:Awesome by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      It's also a direct result of how PHBs get paid, in a lot of companies a PHBs salary is primarily determined by two seemingly conflicting criteria, the # of people he has reporting to him and how much he comes under budget. You do a little linear programming and you find that it's often times optimal(for the PHB, not the shareholders) to hire a large # of cheap employees rather than a few highly paid, and more efficient, employees..... Sad but true.

    67. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one says it isn't a crime. But breaking in to perform a prank would be considered trespassing and criminal mischief, not burglary. But the people making and enforcing the laws, stuff they don't understand scares them. So the moral and ethical equivalent of what they did as children and expected a high 5 from is now a felony. Much like so many people have tried illegal drugs and still think a first offense should be a felony, even when they admitted they were "innocent" users.

    68. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Americans learnt it from the Europeans. America made Europe safe for democracy the end of WW1 - but America is full of Europeans so has to end up the same way in the end after all the naive ones are kicked aside ;-)

    69. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home.

      Or own a computer with an OS installed on it... (Remote desktop, SSH, a browser?)

    70. Re:Awesome by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      While I usually side with the workers'rights, assuming that everytime a worker is pissed it was intentional from the management (worse yet, that since the worker was hired management had the intention to piss him/her) is a little excessive.

      Pissed workers can be due to:

      • different perception: the worker thinks he is the eight wonder of the world, the boss thinks that the worker is not good enough.
      • relationship issues: the worker is not at ease with the people at work.
      • personal issues: sometimes someone who has trouble at home has no patience at work.
      • need issues: everything is ok, but the enterprise decides to fire the guy because he is no longer needed/job cuts.

      Of course, there is also the situations in which the guy is pissed because his boss does not treat him fairly.

      My point is that being pissed is highly subjective; depending on a guy not sabotaging you only because he is not pissed does not sound like a good plan because you cannot control all the causes of the situation. So, it is only logical that you want to hire someone who is more stable.

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    71. Re:Awesome by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      He could have been fired with reason (for example, for failing to keep properly secured the network) and still be pissed and sabotage the CEO.

      Without more data, assuming that what we did was "just retribution" seems unfounded.

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    72. Re:Awesome by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      Managers don't require knowledge, they are supposed to manage people that do have the knowledge.

      Sometime he will have to meet the developer claiming that the sysadmin policies are too tight and force him to waste time in things that are not really needed, and the sysadmin claiming that the developer can introduce unsafe software in his network.

      And he will have to take the decission.

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    73. Re:Awesome by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Installing keyloggers to extract passwords from those assholes at the top? Is that professional nowadays, an indication of proficiency, to use your words? My little sister installed one and she's only 8, so it's not really technical proficiency.

      No, proficiency is installing keyloggers, and not get caught. Which shows that in this case, he apparently was not proficient enough ...

    74. Re:Awesome by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.

      Yeah, but that's a chance you take with ANY IT manager. Regardless of technical knowledge, they are all human beings.

      Those who know their stuff know how to pull off such a stunt without getting caught. So, those who don't know their stuff have to refrain or they'll end up in jail or on a blacklist.. So, a manager who knows that he is an asshole that occasionally pisses people off will prefer to hire the incompetent.

    75. Re:Awesome by Quazion · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for this guy you at-least know what he does when you piss him off. Other IT managers might do the same or worse (delete all your files and backups), but you wouldn't be prepared for it.

      Also i think he will have learned a bit from this and might have better control over gis emotions next time :)

    76. Re:Awesome by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Indeed.

      It would have been much more funny if he had installed some hidden kiddie porn on that CEO's computer. And waited at least a year after the firing before doing so

    77. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asking to only give the passwords to the Mayor is holding them hostage?

      Fail again. Asshole.

      He refused to compromise with the relevant people in authority. He's an asshole, you're an even bigger asshole.

    78. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You broke the chain! What an asshole.

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    79. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      People like you is exactly why we need laws that has mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient. Human behaviours can be fixed easily if you know how to manage.

      I know if I come across one of these people I will hire immediately and he will turn out like a military veteran under my training. It is all about getting the right boss.

      People like you is why Amerika is going down.

      I hope this is the best troll I have seen on slashdot this year.

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    80. Re:Awesome by WNight · · Score: 1

      You're displaying a perfect example of a common security failure - hyperfocus. It's usually because you haven't thought through the problem domain very deeply.

      Everyone has a line beyond which they'll righteously betray you, perhaps for law or country, for love, or (most common) for spite. If you run around the world warning everyone about specific people you're ignoring that anyone you deal with could snap on you, for no reason that you could see. You can't defend against numerous attacks by blocking each specifically.

      Just look out for your impact on the world. Be up-front. Take responsibility for your mistakes, however large or small. Live responsibly and you'll never have a problem, from this guy or any of the other 6.5B ticking time-bombs walking the world.

    81. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      People like this twat will get pissed off if you move their coffee mug or borrow a post-it note pad. I've worked with them, the best thing is to wind them up so they do something stupid, then sack them like a bag of turds down a well.

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    82. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's also a direct result of how PHBs get paid, in a lot of companies a PHBs salary is primarily determined by two seemingly conflicting criteria, the # of people he has reporting to him and how much he comes under budget. You do a little linear programming and you find that it's often times optimal(for the PHB, not the shareholders) to hire a large # of cheap employees rather than a few highly paid, and more efficient, employees..... Sad but true.

      I love the way slashdotters with obviously zero experience of management make these sort of comments. A "PHB" is part of a structure, which includes checks and performance reviews, he can't just manipulate things as he wants to for his own benefit. This applies up to CEO level.

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    83. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      They should cut his nuts off.

      That way all the other computer janitors in the US will shuffle along swiftly and doff their caps humbly to the wealth creating class, motivated by FEAR.

      /Oh sorry, wrong forum.

      Yes, on slashdot that only applies to non-compute-related workers, the commie scum.

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    84. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Tilting at Windmills is often misunderstood and disparaged. Sometimes, you have to say "Fuck it. I ain't gonna take it any more"

      Besides, "career ending move" has a different meaning when you are 52 years old. I suspect he won't be missing his IT career too much.

      Um, when Don Quixote tilted at windmills he was deranged: he thought they were giants due to his reading of heroic romances which had addled his brain. The phrase "tilting at windmills" always carries with it the suggestion that the person doing so is at least slightly deluded.
      Saying "Fuck it. I ain't gonna take it any more" is something entirely different.

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    85. Re:Awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It would have been much more funny if he had installed some hidden kiddie porn on that CEO's computer.

      Yeah, it would hae been a lot funnier, because he would then be found guilty of distributing child pornography, and would be locked up for a long time, during which he could share his new found interests with fellow inmate in regular discussion groups.

      Oh, how he'd be laughing.

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    86. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try treating your employees like humans instead of slaves and you won't have to worry about it.

    87. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then what do you call this?

      http://www.ccisda.org/AfcStyle/DocumentDownload.cfm?DType=DocumentItem&Document=CCISDA%20CISP%20Best%20Policies%202003.pdf

      "California Counties “Best Policies” for the Countywide Information Security Program"

      "Here is a list of things to avoid:
        Giving your password over the phone to ANYONE. ...
        Telling your boss your password .
        Talking about a password in front of others." ...and right there are the three points.

    88. Re:Awesome by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Shows how little you know, under the Bush administration the SEC ruled that essentially the shareholders have 0 say on who the CEO is or how much the CEO gets paid, esseentially saying that the company belongs to the CEO, not the shareholders. When Obama proposed giving share holders the ability to hold non-binding election on CEO benefits the Republicans screamed bloody murder. As a result CEO pay has been growing much faster than the S&P 500. If CEOs were really accountable for their actions then this wouldn't happen. Face reality, management is very rarely held accountable for their performance, and this gets truer the higher you go up the management chain. Seriously find me one CEO of a fortune 500 company that was fired for bad performance in the past 5 years that WASN'T given an obscene bonus upon exit. Go ahead, I can wait.

    89. Re:Awesome by geoskd · · Score: 2

      I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.

      But he also left a number of vulnerabilities in the systems he was administering. Whether deliberate or accidental this is a dangerous failure. He has since demonstrated that even if he didn't know about the vulnerabilities, he had the ability to find out, and failed to do so.

      -=Geoskd

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    90. Re:Awesome by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I disagree. This is only an after the fact "it was worth it". Simple fact is, the severity of the penalty is actually a poor deterrent, in general. Far greater effect is seen by changing the likelyhood of getting caught at all. Most people will refrain from doing anything that they feel they are likely to get caught for, even if the penalty is rather minor. Far far more people than even consider the severity of the penalty.

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    91. Re:Awesome by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Where have you been? Wal-Mart will hire pedophiles, ex-cons, murderers, philanderers, etc as greeters.

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    92. Re:Awesome by eam · · Score: 1

      Some employees just suck. If you don't think so, you're probably one of them.

    93. Re:Awesome by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      People like this twat will get pissed off if you move their coffee mug or borrow a post-it note pad. I've worked with them, the best thing is to wind them up so they do something stupid, then sack them like a bag of turds down a well.

      I'm not drinking the water at your house.

    94. Re:Awesome by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      "His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home."

      Hell, he can't even use the Internet by that definition. He would be remotely accessing webservers to monitor their webpages.

    95. Re:Awesome by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      You seem to be assuming that the firing was unfairly given and that he had legitimate reason for revenge. His firing could have been completely legitimate and fair. Management could have been completely reasonable. We don't know either way.

      People *do* indeed sometimes flip out and do act out revenge for imagined slights quite often. Some people can't take rejection, and are incapable of taking any form of criticism at all. Some people are just unstable.

      We don't know if his employer deserved it, but this guy's actions at least hint at instability. Hire him if you want, but I'd never do it.

    96. Re:Awesome by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Managers don't require knowledge, they are supposed to manage people that do have the knowledge.

      That's total bullsh*t. You can't manage what you don't understand. That's like people who claim that they can do a job because, while they don't know something, they know where they can find the information. This "lack of any depth requirement" is one reason most managers don't merit respect, neither from the people they manage, nor the people who are above them.

    97. Re:Awesome by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      But he didn't get caught installing or running the keyloggers. It was only when naked ladies appeared on his screen that the CEO realized something was amiss.

    98. Re:Awesome by boeroboy · · Score: 0

      That's what they said about Anthony Weiner. Then Larry Flynt swept in and offered him a place in the field of adult entertainment. Sounds promising for Powell.

    99. Re:Awesome by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Live responsibly and you'll never have a problem

      If only that were true.

    100. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably are trolling, but just in case, here are the facts:

      Childs withheld the passwords because he was speaking on a conference call with his boss and several other people that weren't in the "need to know" group when he was asked to give the passwords. The policy he was following was very strict about the proper channels for communicating the passwords, for obvious reasons. His boss was asking him to ignore this policy, which can hold liability implications in most jurisdictions. Who would want to take the chance?

      Now for some supposition: yes, he was following the letter of the law. But I'm guessing he did it a little too gleefully, which is what really got him in trouble. Still, last I checked, being an asshole isn't against the law. If it were, I could have my neighbor ar-wait, what's he doing-HEY! YOU CANT PUT A FENCE THERE! /signallost

    101. Re:Awesome by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home.
      Fortunately for us and contrary to what every PHB that ever made you sign a non-compete clause thinks, neither the government nor anyone else can tell us that we can no longer work in the industry that we have invested untold tens of thousands of dollars and untold amounts of personal and professional time learning how to do. I'm sure a quick lawsuit will fix the whole situation.

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    102. Re:Awesome by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Age discrimination may be illegal, but it still exists.

    103. Re:Awesome by westlake · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a quick lawsuit will fix the whole situation

      When you violate the terms of your suspended sentence and probation you go directly to jail. You do not pass Go. You do not collect $200.

    104. Re:Awesome by westlake · · Score: 2

      Ah age discrimination the number 1 strike. interesting considering age discrimination is against the law in all 50 states.

      52 is a hell of an age to be starting over, particularly with the baggage this guy will be carrying into his next job.

    105. Re:Awesome by operagost · · Score: 1

      To rely on the federal government, I suppose.

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    106. Re:Awesome by bortas · · Score: 1

      I'm the indispensable person where I work.

      I used to think this way in my 20's, but my grandfather passed on some words of wisdom before passing away many years ago: "Cemeteries are full of indispensable people." Regards, Jerome

    107. Re:Awesome by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      So maybe he will have to migrate to Linux exclusively?

      Windows Remote Desktop Connection would apply to the "remote access" provision.

      And... do you expect the state to assign him a probation officer - or hire an expert - who can determine that he's violating terms of his parole?

    108. Re:Awesome by WNight · · Score: 1

      Did the criminals know the carjacking victims and act in perceived vengeance? If not I don't think it's relevant.

    109. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't he be pissed off if you didn't hire him?

    110. Re:Awesome by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying he should just violate the sentence, but the sentence itself is unconstitutional and in violation of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

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    111. Re:Awesome by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I call it a suggestion released by a non-governmental agency and completely non-binding. In any event, the rules you list are for USERS. Anyone who thinks that user-level password practices are intended for teams of network administrators does not know anything about IT.

    112. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the sentence itself is unconstitutional and in violation of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

      Are you for real? That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution!

    113. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen this mostly in larger corporations where the object is office politics, not productivity.

      In all the observations I have, the government funded them.

      Managers are placed by political skills, not by technical competence. People who enjoy "lording" it over others are drawn to these positions.

      It is quite difficult for a technical person, following the laws of physics, to compete in an organization stressing people skills.

      The "Simpsons" TV episode featuring the newly-minted engineer "Grimes" was a pretty good parody of the things a conscientious techie can face when trying to operate in a highly executized corporate environment.

      I tried to operate in such an environment, and failed miserably. I love to "play around" with physics, thermodynamics, microcontrollers, and modeling things on computers, but I flat could not take some boss type telling me what computers or software I was to be allowed to use and telling me I had to work in a little cubicle and have no room for my books or coffee pot. How they thought I could possibly be creative behind a desk is beyond me. I could not convince them otherwise.

      It went to show me that a high GPA might have helped me get in the door to be a wage-slave at a big company, but it one wants the big bucks in a team-player leadership-oriented organization, one needs the skills to boss people like me around. For that, the boss needs me to be docile, not productive.

      Such a boss cannot run operations if someone stands up for themself.

    114. Re:Awesome by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      Breaking in is breaking in. Intent doesn't count. The method doesn't count. Your desire to make crimes committed on a computer somehow have less impact than traditional crimes don't count. Your attempts to lessen the act through invalid analogies are worthless.

    115. Re:Awesome by laurelraven · · Score: 1

      There's an awful lot of assumption in there...first off, what did the company do to piss him off? They fired him. For all you know, it was a completely justifiable firing...maybe he was caught surfing porn at work.

      And, no, I wouldn't hire someone who doesn't understand professional boundaries so badly that they would pull a stunt like this.

      Although, I have to admit, reading about it made me laugh.

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    116. Re:Awesome by Dainsanefh · · Score: 2

      With the complexity of the American law it is impossible for a person to avoid jail. We have more prison population than most dictatorship countries.

      Anarchy is the only true form of democracy. Ban the constitution now.

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  2. Board of Directors? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He should have substituted his presentation to a community group, city hall or some other public presentation. Showing porn to the board of directors is 2nd only to showing them increasing profits.

    1. Re:Board of Directors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who said it was straight/lesbian porn?

    2. Re:Board of Directors? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wrote a script once that redirected traffic via a proxy to babblefish which translated it to English to Russian and than back to English again. :-)

      It made all the emails from hotmail look like they written by a 6 year old. Unfortunately, security software started catching up with man in the middle attacks by the time I was about finished as this was technically a redirect :-( so I could never use it without antivirus software screaming today.

      If the guy is old a really embarrasing thing to link is this video. FYI not worksafe or the faint of heart ... aka a shocker. ;-)

    3. Re:Board of Directors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Rich today. If the guy is old stuff really awkward kssylka this video. [Ebaumsworld.com] FYI not Worksafe or faint of heart ... aka Shocker. ;-)"

      Hmm, doesn't seem to work that well....

    4. Re:Board of Directors? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      am i bad to assume that the "pornographic" image was goatse?

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    5. Re:Board of Directors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but if it was, they probably would have given the guys boss a raise, prompting his boss to hire him back; and we would never have heard anything about it.

    6. Re:Board of Directors? by RdeCourtney · · Score: 2

      Yeah so I clicked through... watched it... ok... erm, perhaps because I'm European I'm liberal and didn't really find this funny.... a the guy refers to "Lemon Party"? so what is it? I googled it and clicked on the first link. I've now eaten my own puck.

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    7. Re:Board of Directors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI not worksafe or the faint of heart ... aka a shocker. ;-)

      Did not see two in the pink, therefore -- NOT A SHOCKER.

    8. Re:Board of Directors? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Go look at the last 3 seconds and look behind the bottle? If you do a search ... I wont post it here ... you will. Nevermind ...

    9. Re:Board of Directors? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      No goatse. It is safe to click. It is just a creative way to use perl and a squid proxy to mess with the jpeg images being transmitted back and forth.

    10. Re:Board of Directors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should have went for the subtle but effective revenge. If he had so much accesses, modifying something vital but relatively invisible would have been better. Altering some numbers to make the company look unprofitable or something similar, that could conceivably be blamed on a common typo, a simple error or corrupted data. But no ... he had to show porn. What an idiot.

    11. Re:Board of Directors? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Altering some numbers to make the company look unprofitable or something similar

      No, the smart way is to make the company look more profitable than it really is, attracting some venture capitalists, which will later on rake the CEO's ass over the coals when it later comes to light that the company was not that profitable...

  3. That grumpy old CEO needs a lemon party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like a lemon party to cure old, crankiness and make anew with his employees.

  4. What if it was not porn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder what the sentence would have be if he replaced the slides with puppies or butterflies instead of porn? Less perhaps?

  5. Undid his just deserves. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go. Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.

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    1. Re:Undid his just deserves. by gman003 · · Score: 2

      Agreed. I was once fired from a lame part-time job. I still smile every time I pass by the now-closed location - they literally couldn't last two months without me, as I was quite often the only one (of a shift of 6) not on a smoke break.

    2. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that's not true. The reasoning of events upon departing and the blood and sweat you put in day in day out are not one of the same. You could of put in 110% daily your employer does not care they still fire u. This is where the events of leaving come in.

    3. Re:Undid his just deserves. by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Yah nothing beats the business going to shit and the business owner who is raping the business bling for money and stock to pay his debts doesn't realise the firing his most important employee (to use the money he paid me for steal even more from the company) leads to at least 1/2 of the customers never coming back. Fuck yah it felt good. My phone was rining non stop for two weeks afterwards when customers found out I wasn't there. Eveyone one of them said the only reason they shopped there was because of me.

      Buddy has about 4 more months before the place goes under.

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    4. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      I'm about to find this out in a couple of weeks...

      (the new job is roughly 2x better, with a bigger salary, lighter workload, a bit more travel, but I can live with the latter).

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    5. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Improbus · · Score: 1

      Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if I get laid of or let go because things are pretty grim where I work. There are only a few people left in the IT department plus one useless manager. If they get rid of me my revenge will be not answering the phone when they find out they got rid of the wrong person. Without regular maintenance of our geriatric hardware and systems things will start to break and the morons will not know how to fix them. Fine by me, I am ready for a career change.

    6. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Threni · · Score: 2

      > Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.

      Why? Why can't someone get fired for a stupid reason not have a laugh at their expense. I'd buy the guy the drink and have a laugh about it; says nothing about his ability to develop/fix problems etc.

    7. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I left a place, disappointed, unappreciated, but unvarnished (although I did think about it a lot). 3 months and things did turn to shit. They were hard asses when I worked there, and didn't seem in the least to mind that I was going. Then they tried to replace me. 3 years later they were still trying. I know they even had a security breach (and no, it wasn't me either, although I did warn them about it, and it went in one of their collective ears, and out the other, without slowing down in between). I solved a lot of long-standing problems for them when I was there, but all I ever heard was whining and complaining. Since I had a unique combination of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering, I could work with many hats on at once. They liked it when I worked, liked it when they hired me, forgot about it when it came time to compensation (actually I started out with grunt wages and they even broke their own hiring contract and paid me less than what was offered and signed when I was hired). After 3 years (3 long years!) I left. 3 years later they were still looking. My boss (it was the perfect definition of micro-management) moved up. I had 7 years more post secondary than he did. They moved him into a job where he can't break anything.

    8. Re:Undid his just deserves. by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thats' not good revenge.
      Good revenge is when they call you and you say 'I'll help 200 an hour, 20 hour min.'
      Showing up to work making 3 times more is the best revenge.

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    9. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Caerdwyn · · Score: 3, Informative

      When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go. Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.

      Ah, but the difference between "let" and "cause" is the difference between schaenfreude and "boy, you got a purty mouth". Depending upon the mood of the judge, that difference is literal.

      He did get lucky.

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    10. Re:Undid his just deserves. by psiclops · · Score: 1

      three times i read your first sentence and was wondering why being fired would cause you to get laid.

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    11. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Geez, Slashdot was so much nicer before MBA-type assholes decided to hang out here...

    12. Re:Undid his just deserves. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Oh get your head out of your ass. IT people, like every other cog in any corporation, are replaceable. Nothing is going to "fall to shit" just because you're not there.

      Unless you've done something wrong, often times "replacable" is irrelevant, as often it's about eliminating a position they perceive as necessary rather than replacing anyone.

      Pulling IT people out of a corporation without replacing them (while "saving money" of course) most certainly can cause stuff to "fall to shit".

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    13. Re:Undid his just deserves. by malkavian · · Score: 1

      Nah, letting them know you're working for someone else at more than they paid, and you don't have the time to help them (and no, you won't accept being rehired on a higher bid for ethical reasons) is revenge.. :)

    14. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Loads of places that got rid of me folded soon after.

      One burned to the ground, but I have a cast iron alibi for that night.

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    15. Re:Undid his just deserves. by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Doesn't just apply to after being fired.

      I remember when I finally left my last dead-end job (7 years ago). It was terrible. We were expected to check voicemail (several times per day), but we didn't have our own phones available, so we had to go to our ego-inflated boss's office each time to ask to use his phone and type in our voicemail codes. I gave them my notice (actually gave them 4 weeks) and was gone. 2 weeks later that boss was calling me up asking if I'd like to work for 4 hours part time in the evenings after I was finished at my new job. Apparently they were having a lot of issues and needed some help. It was about the most satisfying moment of my life to inform him that I really didn't need it, as I was now making more money than he was.

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    16. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Adam+Appel · · Score: 1

      After I "was asked to leave", two people were hired to replace me. Knowing the CEO though, they probably got paid $10 hour so the company saved money and got rid of a troublemaker that doesn't know his place.

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    17. Re:Undid his just deserves. by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, nice. Management finally read the "Complete Idiots guide to posting as AC".

      I've watched too many companies struggle after losing a star employee. Not just someone who's good at their job, but also good at a bunch of tangentially-related duties too. The coder with a background in corporate accounting, or the sysadmin with people skills, these hybrids are often the backbone of a small business, but the pigeonholing nature of management often fails to recognize that extra value. You can replace them with a regular, boring, single-minded IT guy, sure, but the new guy won't do all that extra stuff that was taken for granted.

      Given that a significant part of any IT skillset is problem-solving, usually the guy with the most diverse knowledge base is also the most creative and resourceful one. He might not be so great at coding, and he probably relies on Google a lot for server admin, but he'll be the one to save your hide when disaster strikes, because he understands how all the pieces fit together and can attack a problem from all angles at once.

      That's the kind of IT guy you'll miss when he's gone, and once the new husks run out of ideas 7 minutes into the crisis, that's the guy you'll be calling for help, and it won't be cheap.

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    18. Re:Undid his just deserves. by tibit · · Score: 1

      The problem with the idea of "cogs" is that it's someone's pipe dream -- someone who doesn't know jack shit about people. I'm not saying that irreplaceable people, the other extreme, are any good either, as this promotes complacency and makes your business vulnerable to one's whims. There's a middle road that works. People should be respected and valued. Yes, if you treat them like cogs, you can inflate the balance sheets for a couple of quarters. Then it all goes to hell. And we see that over and over. And yet people still believe the "cog" idea.

      It is only with the lowest denominator, high-on-training, almost mechanical jobs where the idea of a cog somewhat works. Of course you end up with burger chain morons who go into an endless loop when you, say, pay them in cash and the amount of payment is more than the amount to be paid (say you want a specific set of change back). This is but an example. You can only train people so far, there comes a moment where either they have to bring value of their own or you're toast as a corporation.

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    19. Re:Undid his just deserves. by grapeape · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That happens more often than you think, Its actually happened to me twice..once with a telco I worked for where my department was eliminated as a cost saving measure, my department had 16 people when I started, was down to 2 engineers by the time I was let go. Within two weeks they were calling both of us to try and get us to come back, we both refused to come back in a salary position but offered to come back as contractors...shit was bad so they paid up, I spent a total of one month in two cities and made more in that time than I made in 6 months while I was working there.

      The second time was two years ago with my own business, a client decided I was too expensive and decided to "go a different direction", the guy they hired was a relative of one of the company's partners and over a holiday break they managed to have their main server go down after a storm. Their new IT guy kept trying to fix the old machine with random parts, turns out he was hiding the fact that he hadn't had a good backup in over a month. I got a call saying they needed my help, I explained that they had ditched me, and that it was a holiday break (my biggest client closes for a week during the holiday season), they said it didn't matter what it cost they just needed their data. I told them I would do it on an hourly basis on the condition that the idiot who was now in charge just stayed out of the way. I billed them at 2.5x my standard rate, I kept backup hardware of all my clients gear on hand and still had the board and raid card that matched their system at home. Got the new machine up and didn't even have to restore anything, fixed the backup problem made a good backup and presented them a nice bill. They offered to "bring me onboard" again, I told them I didn't have time but wished them luck with my replacement.

    20. Re:Undid his just deserves. by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      Hehe, yeah that happens a lot.

      My colleague resigned and went to work for another firm, as highly paid project leader. Company I was working for at the time had to hire him back at a rate of 5 times his normal wage, and that was with a discount :) Too bad he didn't get it all, but it was still good :) (They should have promoted him, he was doing work way above his paygrade and doing it well - as the other company realized).

      Another guy I worked with was laid off when his department was deemed "strategically unimportant". He used the severance package to tour the world. When he came back his area of expertise was "strategic" again, and he was hired back on the spot. He always had a big smile on his face when he told the story :)

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    21. Re:Undid his just deserves. by St.Creed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's long been known that there are huge differences in productivity and output between IT-people. Some can do 8x the work of others. Some are respected in their field, other skilled IT-people want to work with them, but not with the nephew of the manager. There's all kinds of differences in personality and training.

      It's not just true in IT. I've seen a case where one person was doing all the accounting in a firm. He had spare time in the afternoon to compose music. Everything ran like clockwork. Then his replacement arrived (he retired). They had to cut down his workload to half the original job and he still can't keep up.

      Everyone is replaceable. It just isn't always very smart to replace good people with unknown quantities.

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    22. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you'd buy him a drink. The more important question, however, would be: Would you give him a job?

    23. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go.

      Significantly less satisfying is resigning over not being allowed to stop the network from falling to shit, watching it fall to shit during your two weeks after giving notice, and getting blamed for it because you're still the IT guy. That sucked.

    24. Re:Undid his just deserves. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you treat them like cogs, you can inflate the balance sheets for a couple of quarters. Then it all goes to hell.

      Eh? I have heard it reported many times that Google treats their technical staff like cogs, and developers are considered interchangeable parts by the management. If everything's supposed to go to hell, then how can you explain Google's continued success?

      Maybe not all managers that treat people as "cogs" do so in the same fashion?

    25. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if I ran a porn company.

    26. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Dekker3D · · Score: 2

      Acute de-geeking?

    27. Re:Undid his just deserves. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Eh? I have heard it reported many times that Google treats their technical staff like cogs, and developers are considered interchangeable parts by the management. If everything's supposed to go to hell, then how can you explain Google's continued success?

      I'd guess it's because engineering isn't actually that important to the revenue of an advertising company.

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    28. Re:Undid his just deserves. by tibit · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are uniformly high-quality cogs. Then perhaps it'd work. I presume in most companies the quality of engineering staff is at best variable, with uselessness quotient rising as you climb the ladder. If you have a very highly skilled team, then people have so much skill and motivation that they can pick up easily after someone else. You still can't exactly play roulette with them since team morale still exists. Alas, quality of pay and benefits can improve morale, so if Google pays very well, provides good benefits, and hires very good people, then sure they can be exchanged with much less ado than otherwise possible. You still need to value them, though, and not treat them like shit. Perhaps Google found a way of not treating people like shit yet still allowing for some turnover?

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    29. Re:Undid his just deserves. by mikael_j · · Score: 2

      Maybe not all managers that treat people as "cogs" do so in the same fashion?

      This is probably the answer to why it works for Google.

      I suspect they at least don't constantly drive their employees to the limits of what they can handle (not in terms of task difficulty but in terms of weird work hours, contradicting orders and similar shenanigans), they probably pay them quite well and I doubt they just yank people straight out of one project and into another and then track their progress on that project using seemingly random and useless metrics with the expectation that they should perform at 100% the moment they start on the new project...

      By comparison, if you work as a burger flipper, low-level IT guy at some bank or simply as a tech support monkey for $15/hr chances are that's exactly how you'll be treated. That's when the "cog" begins to rebel against the system and eventually quits (of course, a manager at the call center I worked at for a while after college once drunkenly stated that 100+% yearly employee turnover was good since it kept the pay down, it's all part of the business plan for these people, take fresh grads in, make them perform jobs a somewhat housebroken monkey could do with threats of firing for doing anything that's not in the script, wait for the frustration to set in as the kids wonder what the point of their CS degree is when all they do is tell people to restart ADSL modems and then watch the average salary stay low because almost all of them burn out and leave the job within a year, bitter and cynical).

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    30. Re:Undid his just deserves. by RivenAleem · · Score: 4, Funny

      I lost my stapler in that fire.

    31. Re:Undid his just deserves. by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Management *always* recognizes those employees. They have a big target on their back. Not that they'd want the job, but most coders with a background in corporate accounting could replace their manager, and the managers know this. Problems are problems, whether they are problems with budgets or problems with servers, so what makes an IT person a good employee also would make them able to be a decent manager (granted, you can have lower personal skills and still be a good IT guy and maybe not as good as a manager).

      I've been that employee. I've worked with those employees. And I think that the managers generally know they do more than their job description and either appreciate it (but, for budgetary reasons can't pay them what they are worth) or they don't appreciate it because they feel challenged. Either way, they never really see the financial recognition of the duties they actually do.

    32. Re:Undid his just deserves. by geoskd · · Score: 2

      When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go. Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.

      That is only from a "man in the trenches" perspective. A better measure of a manager, is how well the place runs when they are away for vacations, and right after they leave / get transferred or promoted. A good manager will setup their operation to run well especially when they are not there. A poor manager micromanages, and everything turns to s#!t when they are not there because no one will make a decision without the boss.

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    33. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am very sorry for your loss.
      I know how it is like to loose brand new, just unpacked, stapler...

    34. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm that guy and I've always been quite well rewarded with raises and bonuses. You need to find better places to work. :)

    35. Re:Undid his just deserves. by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I was a contractor at a job where they always wanted me to be the lead developer for new clients, because I always reeled them in. Every time they would replace me (at that client), they would replace me with 3-5 people. It was a nice compliment.

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    36. Re:Undid his just deserves. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I start next Friday.

    37. Re:Undid his just deserves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found a red swingline in the ashes

  6. Coincidence? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

    Smells like he might have gotten his idea from this recent SMBC Theater video. (NSFW)

    1. Re:Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because altering slides is a completely original gag.

    2. Re:Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That video was uploaded May 14, this year. TFA doesn't say when he replaced the slides, but does mention that he was fired in 2009.

      To me it sounds unlikely he got the idea from that video.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  8. fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next time slightly alter the presentation to make it look incompetent, possibly not even catching the attention of the person presenting it if possible. Instead of an obvious hack.

    1. Re:fail by mr1911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Next time slightly alter the presentation to make it look incompetent

      For most PowerPoint presentations, that is accomplished without making any edit to the original.

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    2. Re:fail by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Next time slightly alter the presentation to make it look incompetent

      For most PowerPoint presentations, that is accomplished without making any edit to the original.

      Unfurtunately, most PHB's in the audience don't notice.

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  9. idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why are six of the last 7 stories tagged with 'idiocracy'?

    1. Re:idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why are six of the last 7 stories tagged with 'idiocracy'?

      Big fans of the movie?

    2. Re:idiocracy by westlake · · Score: 3, Funny

      why are six of the last 7 stories tagged with 'idiocracy'?

      I blame it on Bitcoin. It rots the geek mind.

    3. Re:idiocracy by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Because stupid people are everywhere, and they are breeding at alarming rates ?

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    4. Re:idiocracy by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Cause y'know, despite the arrogance, we geeks do have our pop culture, and love to bring it up like all the so called unwashed masses. :)

    5. Re:idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. We need to do something about it. I'm willing to donate the sperm...

    6. Re:idiocracy by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Cause y'know, despite the arrogance, we geeks do have our pop culture, and love to bring it up like all the so called unwashed masses. :)

      I always thought we were the unwashed massed. You know, because we resist brainwashing. And also that showering thing.

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    7. Re:idiocracy by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I used the term "idiocracy" for years prior to the movie. I've stopped since.

    8. Re:idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's much easier to understand the world through oversimplification.

      The society of Orwell's 1984 had surveillance in it, so everything that has to do with surveillance is kind of like 1984. Idiocracy had comically stupid people in it, so Idiocracy is a bit like any policy I personally disagree with.

      (Oh, and all the problems of the world are totally due to geeks not getting laid.)

  10. Crap like this is what gives IT a bad name by blahbooboo · · Score: 0

    So you got fired, that sucks. But have some professionalism. It's jokers like this which give IT a bad name and hamper it from being seen solely as a profession rather than a trade. What a jerk.

    p.s. And that's the best he could do? Girly pictures during a presentation. What a loser. Probably still lives in his parent's basement.

    1. Re:Crap like this is what gives IT a bad name by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And that's the best he could do? Girly pictures during a presentation. What a loser. Probably still lives in his parent's basement.

      The story says "porn", but not what kind of porn...

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    2. Re:Crap like this is what gives IT a bad name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wha... Wait... What?
      There are kinds of porn?
      Where?

  11. Way to stick it to the man. by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad he's not actually in jail, otherwise I would have to start a FREE WALTER POWELL movement.

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    1. Re:Way to stick it to the man. by Bogtha · · Score: 2

      Way to stick it to your old colleagues too. It's not the CEO that's going to be stuck cleaning up the security breach.

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    2. Re:Way to stick it to the man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the porn which was put in the boss' computer was in fact someone literallly sticking it to the man.

  12. So... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

    How did the presentation go?

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    1. Re:So... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      My question is: why did he get fired? Everyone is saying they are so happy he did this, but what if he really did deserve to get fired? If he didn't deserve it, then good on him. But we don't know both sides of the story. At least I missed it in TFA.

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    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the only meeting the board members weren't bored!

    3. Re:So... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      How did the presentation go?

      It had a happy ending...

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    4. Re:So... by meglon · · Score: 1

      Well, you know.... some ups and downs, some in's and outs; the ones on top doing what comes naturally, the ones on the bottom taking it like they always do.... and as business generally goes, most just standing around staring.

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    5. Re:So... by Xacid · · Score: 1

      I heard the audience was a bit stiff. But lots of firm handshakes afterwards.

    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It went okay

    7. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....he fixes the cable

    8. Re:So... by sideshow · · Score: 1

      How did the presentation go?

      It went okay.

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  13. Reminds me... by bughunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    This story reminds me of a friend who, 20 years ago, was the IT person for a small aerospace startup that ran a Macintosh network with a single dial-in. (He may even be reading this: hats off, Mr Jones!)

    They fired him, unamicably, and failed to change the passwords on the dialup (among other mistakes not later abused). So he decided to get his revenge by dialing in and sending multiple copies of a word document to every printer in the company (501 copies, iirc, guaranteed to empty every paper tray). The document was a quote from the Blonde Bimbo Office Manager ("BBOM"), in 36-point Helvetica:

    "I've been at the bottom, and I've been at the top. I don't care how much dick I have to suck, I'm not going to be at the bottom again." Signed, [BBOM]

    I was still there when it happened. The best part was, the BBOM took a stack of these printouts to every person in the building, shrieking: "Did you do this? Did YOU do this??" Nobody know who did it, in fact I think few even suspected the dialup.*

    Now those are some lulz.

    [*I didn't know it was him until months later, after the company laid off 90% of its staff, including me. Its doors shut a year later.]

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    1. Re:Reminds me... by billcopc · · Score: 1

      If you ever bump into Mr. Jones, have him email me. I wanna buy this man a fuckin' BEER! :D

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  14. It's human nature by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not an IT thing. Everyone does this.

    I was the IT guy for a company that did company restructuring, or failing that, liquidation. If you've ever been to Ohio and you're the right age you'll remember Carpet Barn and Tile House. I was the guy who liquidated their technical assets. That's a fancy way of saying the boss gave me a truck and a map and said "if it's worth more than 2 cents and plugs into something, put it on the truck." So I got to see every single Carpet Barn.

    Now to be fair, they closed very suddenly. It was a Thursday. Workers showed up to locked doors. Salesmen had taken down payments from customers the previous day. The money was lost and never refunded, people didn't get their carpet. It was a bad scene.

    You should have seen these places.

    Workers opened up the doors with bolt cutters and trashed every single outlet. Holes kicked in the walls, refrigerators turned over, coffee pots smashed into copiers. Office furniture beaten into splinters. Carpet rolls thrown everywhere. Every store looked like the scene of a riot.

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    1. Re:It's human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might not have just been the workers. If I was a customer that just got stiffed, I would have given them a hand.

    2. Re:It's human nature by Caerdwyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not an IT thing. Everyone does this.

      Well, no, not everybody.

      I've been wrongfully fired before, being made the bearer-of-blame for a manager who made the wrong decisions and hoped that the blame would walk out the door with me. I was (and actually still am, gotta love knowledge of trade secrets and dirty secrets and of contacts made with said company's partners) in a position to hurt the company badly in retaliation. But I didn't do so. Why, oh why, in this era of tech workers who exhibit such open contempt of non-techies and thinking the sun shines out their asses?

      1. I'm a better person than the manager in question. I have ethics, and stooping to low revenge is a breach in ethics.
      2. Karma works. The company in question has run into troubles due to said bad decisions.
      3. Karma works, redux. There are plenty of people who know point 1, and will stand by me in references and "unofficial" contacts. If I compromised myself, they wouldn't and shouldn't.
      4. In this valley, everybody knows everybody (or knows someone who does... helllllllo, LinkedIn). Bad firings are known for what they are, regardless of court. So are acts of revenge, regardless of court. I landed on my feet, am in a much better situation than I would be today if I were at the old company, and will continue to do well.

      None of the above makes me in any way unique. Most people are big enough to behave that way, or to semi-quote Chris Rock, "You say you take care of your kids? Of COURSE you're supposed to take care of your kids, dumbass!" It's the expected default behavior. It's the ones who don't who make the news... and Slashdot.

      Now, perhaps you meant "it happens in every industry", but this IS Slashdot. Tech is (ostensibly) what it's about here.

      To be fair, we don't know WHY the person was fired (though we do know his personality allows for revenge). I'm not going to automatically side with him just because he's a fellow tech "worker bee". I know plenty of "worker bee" IT folks who I wouldn't hire to water my lawn, much less care for my datacenter. I also know a couple of CEOs I'd trust with my bank account numbers. Assumption of righteousness and evil based upon job title... that's just wrong.

      All that being said, I'd probably buy the gentleman in question a beer, but I'd never hire him or put him in a position of trust. The ability of people to justify breaches of trust is well-night infinite, and someone who will engage in acts of revenge can be counted upon to do it again, whether they deserved to be fired or not. This is a Pyrhhic victory at best, and while amusing to us, is career-suicide for him.

      Hope it was worth it. Hope his family (if any) thinks so too.

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    3. Re:It's human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Workers opened up the doors with bolt cutters and trashed every single outlet. Holes kicked in the walls, refrigerators turned over, coffee pots smashed into copiers. Office furniture beaten into splinters. Carpet rolls thrown everywhere. Every store looked like the scene of a riot

      Good for them. The business being closed sucks, but having it done via showing up to work one day with chained doors, and then screwing customers out of down payments is just itching for payback. I support the fine people who did these acts of vandalism 100%, and hope it becomes more commonplace for shit like this.

      There's a certain amount of respect that any company owes it's employees. When that level of respect is broken, it's time to trash the fucking place. It serves those bastards right to get the damn place trashed. You think they won't change unless there's some consequence to being a douchebag?

      We don't really know what triggered the guy putting up porn on the CEOs presentation. But your example is a very clear one of justifiable "fuck shit up". Sounds like they were a hell of a lot smarter than this guy to, and didn't get caught.

    4. Re:It's human nature by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the sentiment could better have been expressed as "this behaviour isn't isolated to IT workers, but it's easier to mess networks up remotely if you're good with IT, and getting physical access is probably harder"

    5. Re:It's human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Stop kidding yourself.
      2. Sometimes it works that way; sometimes it doesn't. There's not necessarily a causal relationship.
      3. That works if you're a professional in a very small field. For the rest of us, not so much.
      4. Ah, now we come to it. You're able to believe in points 1-3 because of this one. Again, not everyone is so lucky.

      IMO, revenge is almost always the best policy.

    6. Re:It's human nature by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Karma doesn't work. Stop saying that. Maybe in the rarefied atmosphere of "this valley" (you don't even bother to define which one, a clear sign of insularity or ignorance [and aren't those the same?]) you can count on it, but then that's the small-town nature talking. You know, nobody buys from Bob the baker any more because he got caught molesting Ethel's sows out by the shed. Mentally substitute Bob with the morally wrong antagonist of any story. In the big wide world, "karma" doesn't work. In any case, karma (the real kind [hello India!] not the made-up Western kind) only determines what you will be in the next life.

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    7. Re:It's human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Buddy's sale really did end on a Wednesday?

    8. Re:It's human nature by VAElynx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because at 52 or so, he's SO employable elsewhere
      In his place, i'd have done the same - unlike him, it appears that you yourself when you got wrongfully fired, ended up in position to look for a better job, not screwed over. Either way i'd have tried to hurt them , specially because even if company fails normally, managers still have it good.
      And for the last bit - i'll side with a worker over a rich classhole any day , simply because anything happening, i'm likely to end up in the second's situation, not the first's.

    9. Re:It's human nature by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Nope, customers didn't know they were screwed until a few days later when the delivery trucks didn't show up. We did our best to refund these people after liquidation, but we couldn't get everyone. There just simply wasn't enough cash.

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    10. Re:It's human nature by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Yes, I suppose "you can find people in all fields who do this sort of thing" would have been a better phrasing. All I really meant to say is that IT is hardly alone when it comes to corporate revenge. It's just that IT people who do this are more newsworthy.

      My guess why is because most people are pretty close to helpless when it comes to deeper computer issues and it's a kind of nagging boogeyman fear they all have. The evil IT guy, looking at your bank account and reading your email and browsing through your folders to see what kind of porn you like. Your secrets aren't safe - Boo!

      Pretty standard journalism these days, fear-mongering. A guy gets a suspended sentence and some community service for a prank and it's national news.

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    11. Re:It's human nature by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Karma doesn't work. Doing a good deed is its own punishment. Nice guys finish last. Pick your quote. Trust me, if you do your best to treat people right and try to be a nice guy/gal, you WILL get screwed over at every possible opportunity.

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  15. Appropriate by bughunter · · Score: 2

    I'd say that's a pretty appropriate story for a blog named "Naked Security."

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    1. Re:Appropriate by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Besides, every time I read Sophos I think of Sappho.

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  16. Granted this is something I wouldn't do... by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    but I bet that guy got his sentence, and said... "WORTH IT!"

    1. Re:Granted this is something I wouldn't do... by vikisonline · · Score: 1

      No. He more likely said WINNING!

  17. Don't they understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When someone pulls a stunt like this, all they're doing is making it hard for everyone.

    1. Re:Don't they understand? by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just because his job went tits up doesn't mean he had to be a dick about it.

    2. Re:Don't they understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still you gotta admit, it took some balls.

  18. all i have to say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HA HA HA......

  19. Pics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pics or it didn't happen

  20. Did he deserve to get sacked by Bruce66423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course there is an argument that if he was sufficiently ignorant to get himself caught, then he deserved to get sacked in the first place....

    1. Re:Did he deserve to get sacked by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The article leaves a lot out for example we know he was convicted but do we know if he actually did it? Not enough there for any sort of opinion; might be more along the lines as he was the only one anybody suspected so the prosecution just went with the flow and Powell couldn't afford competent defense and copped a plea for a suspended sentence.

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    2. Re:Did he deserve to get sacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if he was sufficiently ignorant to get himself caught, then he deserved to get sacked in the first place

      Damn right. If he were any good at all, he would have found a way to:

      1. Steal a pile of money from his former employer
      2. Cover his tracks and not get caught
      3. Get the manager fired, sued, killed, or worse

  21. Sounds like a good decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone with such a poor attitude and decision making skills should be fired.

    1. Re:Sounds like a good decision by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what if he was fired wrongfully? today's situation prevents any sort of justice from happening. if he was canned for politics then I have no sympathy for his employer whatsoever.

    2. Re:Sounds like a good decision by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying just because his boss is conservative it's okay?!

      --
      "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". - stolen from Dan C alt.os.linux.slackware
    3. Re:Sounds like a good decision by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      politics as in corporate politics...

    4. Re:Sounds like a good decision by wmbetts · · Score: 0

      I know. There's a reason why I'm not a comedian :P. My jokes suck.

      --
      "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". - stolen from Dan C alt.os.linux.slackware
    5. Re:Sounds like a good decision by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      In this day and age, there is no "wrongfully fired". The only reason given for firing is "no reason". You would have to go up against expensive company lawyers to try to prove that they DID have a reason for firing you AND that that reason was a bad one.
      If you're female or a minority, you may have a case, but otherwise, even if you know they fired you because you refused to perform oral sex for the CEO, there is not much you can do about it.

      --
      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
  22. Spoken like a true pointy hair by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    When the idiots on to decide that it's not worth spending time to document, update, repair, patch, anything because it's just a waste of time, not only will shit break, but it will take long enough for an replacement cog to come up to speed that they might as well close their doors and take a long vacation. I had the luxury of watching a crash and burn like this. The boss had too much ego involved to ask us to come back and dig him out. I helped one of my old coworkers out to lessen his pain a little, but waited until they had their going out of business sale before I actually want back. I still have my old office chair that I managed to pick up for about $15.

    1. Re:Spoken like a true pointy hair by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I was more of thinking of stating the same thing back to the MBA type that they are replacable too. If they all hell no I generated x amount of money. I will simply say, so can many other willing to do your job for less in this economy. It is funny that those who say replacable someone think they are not.

  23. I have to say... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    All arguments about the guy's maturity and professionalism aside, I've got to admit that 100 hours of community service isn't a bad price to pay for a "Fuck you!" prank like that. And I'll bet his only regret is not being able to see the reactions at the meeting.

    --

    Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
    1. Re:I have to say... by Bieeanda · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, having a guilty plea for a felony related to his industry on his record is going to leave a lasting mark.

  24. Only if everyone is into that type of porn by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    that's all

  25. Unprofessional by BlueCoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This guy would have been smarter if he had found another disgruntled employee and waited a while and then framed him. Or could it be that that is what happened, he could have been marked as an obvious target and someone smarter set him up! Whomever did the hacking it was still childish, the equivalent of keying someones car.

    I don't own an IT company but I wouldn't want to work with this guy. Very childish. I can't wait until we finally see these clowns plant child porn or evidence of credit card fraud and other serious crime so they can prove what I have said for years about that subject and computer vulnerability. The first being that no content should be illegal no matter how vulgar it is aka 1st amendment (instead use it to track down people and make sure they aren't committing crimes and making content). Second computer systems are insecure and any lay person should discount any digital evidence taken from a persons personal devices (it's just too easy to frame people). Hacking in inherently unprovable unless you actively bug a persons house and computer and can show he manned the keyboard and can be video recorded tying the things they accused him of doing. I say this because even I would be smart enough to rig a persons computer to do things in the background while he was physically at the computer.

    As far as law enforcement I am surprised that more people aren't up in arms over the fact that with a simple accusation the police can come in and permanently seize thousands of dollars of computer equipment and all your personal information and just maybe you'll get it back five years later when it's obsolete and only if you managed to actually prove your innocence (not found not guilty). Further they take can take all your backups so you have nothing to restore from. Then they will probably try to strong arm you with the lure of getting your property back. And this is all legal.

    1. Re:Unprofessional by Wolfling1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I do own an IT company, and I'm not hiring him.

      It is very normal for humans to have thoughts about revenge after a kick in the guts. Indeed, if we didn't think about revenge, there would be something wrong with us.

      However, converting those thoughts into actions is an indicator of poor impulse control, and extremely poor judgement.

      /. is a funny place as we can all think-out-loud about these things. Some people even make the mistake of believing that a few of the folks here would do these kinds of things.

      I prefer to think that the crazies don't inhabit this realm. That's why I keep coming back.

    2. Re:Unprofessional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earlier this year a man was arrested for planting child porn on his bosses computer

    3. Re:Unprofessional by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I don't own an IT company but I wouldn't want to work with this guy. Very childish.

      I do, though it's only me at the moment. And I agree, he lost any hope of being employed in IT again the moment he installed a keylogger.

      Hacking in inherently unprovable unless you actively bug a persons house and computer and can show he manned the keyboard and can be video recorded tying the things they accused him of doing. I say this because even I would be smart enough to rig a persons computer to do things in the background while he was physically at the computer.

      Not really - you've got to bear in mind that in legal terms, "prove" means "beyond reasonable doubt". Not "beyond all shadow of a doubt", otherwise nobody would ever be convicted of anything.

      In a case with a disgruntled IT employee, you've got means, motive and opportunity in one handy package. IANAL, but I imagine that'd be enough to subpoena any records his ISP may keep (searching for "keylogger"?) and to get a warrant to take any computer equipment he has. Even with a VPN, he's still got to ensure that powerpoint presentation never winds up either swapped out or a copy made in a temporary file locally - I suppose a remote desktop session reduces the risk associated with that but then you've got to disable swap to ensure the screen image never winds up in your swapfile.

      Even if he did cover his tracks properly, if he talks to the police he's in with a very good chance of dropping himself in it.

    4. Re:Unprofessional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I might have keyed people's cars when they park in front of my driveway... It happens at least twice a week when I need to get to work in the morning and often in the evening so I end up parking in the street. If you cant see the big no parking sign and insist on fucking up my day twice a week then i really couldn't give two shits about the shiny finish on your dad's bmw.

    5. Re:Unprofessional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then how would the masses get their hardons for "justice" and "tough-on-crime"?

    6. Re:Unprofessional by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I lived with a guy who did data forensics professionally. we shared an office so, I occasionally heard him on the phone with defense attorneys, in a rather high profile murder case. It was eye opening how clueless the lawyers were. They would keep asking questions about how long the person spent on this site or that or did this or that.... and he just over and over had to re-explain to them why the evidence can't answer the questions.

      It was pretty ridiculous actually. On top of all that, the guys computer was so infected with viruses it was insane. He pulled an image into a VM and brought it up, and the machine was barely usable with all the adware and shit on it.

      In the end it didn't matter, it was a pretty open and shut case from the beginning, they were grasping at straws, the guy was convicted, the lawyers inability to grasp the concept of how browser cache works was far more interesting.

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    7. Re:Unprofessional by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      That is a cruel punishment to perform on an undeserving automobile. It's not the cars fault that it is parked there.

      --
      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
  26. Or you can do this... by slew · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Or you can do this... by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      That's great! You made a lot of friends, lined up good networking avenues, and probably had a good time doing it.
      The best revenge is pick their pockets legally!

  27. Fuck the CEO culture of today by aeoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least he didn't stab the CEO like they do in India. If the CEO culture doesn't improve, it will come to that eventually in USA. Mark my words.

    1. Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tell me more about this?

      --

      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    2. Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tell me more about this?

      2008 2010.

    3. Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today by aeoo · · Score: 1

      Lalit Kishore Choudhary

    4. Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indian outsourcing to America?

    5. Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Why stab? .45 or 9mm is likely more readily available for that sort of job.

      --
      comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
  28. wtf by PitneFor · · Score: 0

    Network Admins usually have admin passwords so why did he need to use a keylogger? What kind of retard doesnt look at a presentation before he presents it.

  29. Meh. The best revenge is living well by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Every once in a while, I'll think about some crappy situation I was in while doing something really cool, like driving along the coast. That's when I know I got the best revenge.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  30. He proved his management right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    To satisfy his urge for revenge he committed an act that proves his firing was probably the right thing to do.

    Not only would I not hire the guy... I damn sure wouldn't want to work for him either.

  31. Pictures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    or it didnt happen.

  32. Roles and Responsibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We had a similar issue happen in my office once - not replacing a presentation with pornography, but instead, a recently terminated employee (who was misguidedly provided remote access at all) whose role involved managing calendars and appointments for a handful of executives and leaders, created fake, inappropriate appointments with officers and very high ups.
     
    Leadership came down to our offices and asked why this person was allowed to do this after having been let go. Unfortunately, that was the first indication that they had been 'offboarded'. HR never communicated to us.

    Whoops.

  33. look at the up side free prison health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at the up side free prison health care

    1. Re:look at the up side free prison health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh. He's not going to jail?

      Besides, prison healthcare is crap. Kills a lot of people.
      Kinda like why Russians prefer to go to spiritualists than use their basically free healthcare.

  34. Re:OH NO, IT'S A COMPUTER!!! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA makes it clear what happened: he didn't replace a presentation with porn on the way out, he actually used his old logins after the fact to control the computer during a presentation and bring up porn. So not exactly hacking, but also pretty clearly illegal.

    --
    "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
  35. See Pastebin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He did it for the LuLz

  36. We were ... by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... 15 minutes into watching someone take it in the @ss before we realized it wasn't a demonstration of HR's new policy.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  37. Re:OH NO, IT'S A COMPUTER!!! by wmbetts · · Score: 1

    I think it would be more appropriate to compare him breaking into the company after hours and replacing the slides after he was fired.

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    "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". - stolen from Dan C alt.os.linux.slackware
  38. Where are the pics?? by Patron · · Score: 1

    I'm just saying...let's us have a look at the pictures and judge him by that.

  39. smbc by Luke+Wilson · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of this short

  40. Go Geezer! by lexsird · · Score: 1

    I love reading stories like this. This fucked in the head system we have that treats people like machines to throw away, would have more stories like this if we collectively grew a set of balls. I keep thinking of the stapler guy in Office Space when I read this story.

    Here is a thought for the "omfg you are too old crowd" think of every picture you see of Einstein. He's not some young buck, he's a wild haired old geezer in every famous picture of him. Frankly you need a good mix for a good IT squad. Of course you need the wizkids, but you also need the salty old guys as well. Give them a multi-player game to play when they have down time to help them sort out their teamwork issues. That shouldn't be hard to do, considering you have to pry them out of a game most of the time. Just make sure their gaming is productive as a team.

    Anyway, if they got rid of the old Chief, you would think he still has some indians around as well. That might make me nervous if I was the manager, and if I just pulled a dick move, and fired the head of a department and had done is too tactlessly that I ended up part of the collateral damage. That and if I wasn't at least a bit paranoid enough to sweep for crap like keyloggers or anything "off the reservation". That and who doesn't keep a close preview on what slides they are about to present? I know if I am presenting one, I will be tweaking it all the way there and probably some after I am done. Of course I am thinking most of the universe is on their laptop. /yawn
    Get off my lawn!

    --
    Take the Red Pill.
    1. Re:Go Geezer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a thought for the "omfg you are too old crowd" think of every picture you see of Einstein. He's not some young buck, he's a wild haired old geezer in every famous picture of him. Frankly you need a good mix for a good IT squad. Of course you need the wizkids, but you also need the salty old guys as well.

      Einstein was 26 when he published his seminal papers in 1905. These are the ones that revolutionized physics.

      In his later years, he's better known for pooh-poohing the Copenhagen interpretation, and failing to develop a unified field theory.

  41. pics or it didn't happen by dvbuser · · Score: 1

    pics or it didn't happen :)

  42. Re:"Awesome" by managerialslime · · Score: 1

    Over any 5-year period, I hire an average of 1 to 3 IT professionals a month. The performance of each directly reflects on my ability to provide my clients with individuals whose judgement is sound, and who can accept that"at will" employment means they can be laid off at any time without a reason.

    With this "little" lapse in judgement, I can assure you that he is not likely to get past HR and background checks, and even less likely to get past me.

    If he left with drama elsewhere, he is probably a risk to leave with drama in a future job as well.

    I want the best people I can find, and part of that is to figure out the extent to which each individual is likely to suppress personal and professional issues when it makes sense to do so.

    I do my best to leave every client and employer on a positive note, regardless of what frustrating shortcomings on their part I discovered along the way.

    If you can't do so, just hope you don't want your resume to be embraced by me or anyone in any company who thinks like me,

    You don't have to agree with all of my positions on the issue. But if you can't disagree without being disagreeable, I really don't want you on my team.

    --
    Live Long and Prosper - Thanks Leonard. You are missed.
  43. the usual by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    same thing as always, plenty of wanking and dick waving.

  44. They should clean up regardless of a breach by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    If there's a weakness in the security, it should have been taken care off regardless. Sure, now they have to sweep the whole network for back doors the guy may have put in, but if they did their job properly in the first place, the guy wouldn't have been able to do this.

    --
    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:They should clean up regardless of a breach by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So in other words, he apparently hadn't been doing a good job in IT. Maybe that is why he got fired.

      --
      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
    2. Re:They should clean up regardless of a breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he left himself a backdoor.

  45. some spammers fall for this as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the largest spammer-friendly ISPs in the Netherlands had their brand new pay-per-copy printer/copier on a public IP address and failed to firewall it. Guess what happened on Friday night after ehr... someone discovered it. Sources revealed that the machine was quickly sent back to the company that provided it.

  46. Pics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pics or it didn't happen!

  47. The internet by Noughmad · · Score: 1

    It's not for presentations.

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    PlusFive Slashdot reader for Android. Can post comments.
  48. Anecdote from student years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For our first year physics course, we had a much loved and feared professor. Many anecdotes developed around him though the years.

    One night, I was sitting with a fellow student I worked with on a postgrad project, swapping some of these anecdotes instead of working. Then I told this one:

    The prof in question used a huge auditorium to lecture. Those where still the days of the overhead projector, and due to the size of the room, he had two specifically made up with stronger lights and modified lenses - one to use (he wrote on one like a sort of glorified blackboard), the other was for backup.

    So, what someone did one night was to make a photocopy on flimsy from a pin-up poster, unscrew the glass from the projector bed, mount the copy under the glass, reassemble, and pre-focus the projector on the new subject of interest.

    Next morning, prof comes in, greets class, and goes through normal routine of switching on projector and taking his stationery and notes out while the projector warms up to working temp, and in this case slowly revealing the picture behind his back, to the amusement of the class.

    When he discovers the picture behind him, he calmly hefts the projector off the stage he was set up on, shattering it to pieces, plugs in the backup and continues with the lecture as if nothing happened. Awed silence ensues.

    While telling the story, the friend just sits there with a sort of knowing expression. Tells me: I know, I was one of those who did it.

  49. Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by dbIII · · Score: 1

    It's come up in a few posts and now I'm curious enough that I have to ask. I've heard of Walmart but what sort of job is a "greeter" and how does that translate into English instead of Walmart corporate doubleplusgood doublethink?
    I'm in a land where "gimp" is merely a graphics program or a guy in Pulp Fiction and a "pastie" is something you eat so I don't understand the American words sometimes.

    1. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's come up in a few posts and now I'm curious enough that I have to ask. I've heard of Walmart but what sort of job is a "greeter" and how does that translate into English instead of Walmart corporate doubleplusgood doublethink? I'm in a land where "gimp" is merely a graphics program or a guy in Pulp Fiction and a "pastie" is something you eat so I don't understand the American words sometimes.

      Well I'm from the UK and we don't use the term, but I think the job title of "greeter" contains in its very structure a clue that it is connected with greeting people.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by dbIII · · Score: 1

      That much is obvious but what the hell do they actually do? Stand in the middle of the door and say hello or is it just another name for store security on an exit?

    3. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by One+Monkey · · Score: 1

      I'm from the UK and I know certain branches of Asda and Morrisons employ some local senior citizens to harangue people on the way in (the "greeting" the "greeter" is to deliver). As the kind of senior citizen who would agree to such a humiliating and pointless task in our country of dour cynics is usually a few sandwiches short of a picnic anyway it's a little bit like certain supermarkets have their own court jester drooling all over you as you step through the door. So, that's what a greeter is.

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    4. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Yes. They act as both greeters standing at the door, sometimes handing you a flyer or something. They are also security of a sort. They are there to keep you from bringing in merchandise to return without it being marked (so you can't take something off the shelf) and to check your receipt to make sure you didn't pick up any "extra" items after you left the checkout. To be honest I hate going there and each time I go it makes me want to return less.

      --
      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, though I'm not yet sure about the universe. - A Einstein
    5. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      That much is obvious but what the hell do they actually do? Stand in the middle of the door and say hello?

      Bingo.

    6. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      A WalMart Greeter's real job is watching people go OUT the door. If the anti-theft alarm goes out, that's when he earns his pay. Saying "hello" to people coming in is just a disguise.

    7. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by G04T · · Score: 1

      They literally stand there and say "Welcome to Walmart" as people come in, and "Have a good day" as people leave. They also do merchandise checkins for returns (putting a sticker on it so the customer can take it to customer service) and check peoples' receipts as they leave if they set off the alarm. Granted, I've never actually seen them DO anything about the alarm going off, they just check to see if something on the receipt COULD have set off the alarm and then wave them through.

    8. Re:Offtopic cultural confusion from outside the US by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Now that makes sense. Here we just have security guards that don't say anything.

  50. Re:"Awesome" by manicb · · Score: 1

    If you want the best people you can find, why do you limit yourself to those who will accept "at will" employment terms?

  51. Re:"Awesome" by MurukeshM · · Score: 1

    He's 52. Even 40-somethings find it difficult to land a new job, regardless of how they left the previous one. Obviously, he isn't bothered about getting another job.

  52. Re:"Awesome" by Renraku · · Score: 1

    That's pretty much the industry standard. People still value pay/benefits over possibly job stability, aka contracts.

    If employment isn't at will, it's difficult to fire them even with proof. Even if you pay off the rest of their contract and tell them to GTFO. I agree someone should have to have a good reason to fire you, but look how hard it is to fire people in government work.

    --
    Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
  53. There once upon a time was a manager.... by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    A fellow had just been hired as the new CEO of a large high tech corporation. The CEO who was stepping down met with him privately and presented him with three numbered envelopes. "Open these if you run up against a problem you don't think you can solve," he said.

    Well, things went along pretty smoothly, but six months later, sales took a downturn and he was really catching a lot of heat. About at his wits's end, he remembered the envelopes. He went to his drawer and took out the first envelope. The message read, "Blame your predecessor."

    The new CEO called a press conference and tactfully laid the blame at the feet of the previous CEO. Satisfied with his comments, the press -- and Wall Street -- responded positively, sales began to pick up and the problem was soon behind him.

    About a year later, the company was again experiencing a slight dip in sales, combined with serious product problems. Having learned from his previous experience, the CEO quickly opened the second envelope. The message read, "Reorganize." This he did, and the company quickly rebounded.

    After several consecutive profitable quarters, the company once again fell on difficult times. The CEO went to his office, closed the door and opened the third envelope.

    The message said, "Prepare three envelopes."

    ....

    But don't forget that that (your..) bad manager did his bad job a few more years, getting managing experience (in the most costly way), and will jump ship. Just make sure that your network is up to date on your side of the story, or they might try to bite you again from their grave.

  54. I was about to say... by NikolaiKutuzov · · Score: 1

    Pictures, or it isn't true. TFA is worthless if not providing link to the presentation.

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    Invita Invidia
  55. Two things by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    (1) Most people saying that it's "almost worth it" aren't really serious. If they were, this sort of case would be unexceptional. But it is exceptional. These sorts of events are relatively rare. So if you think the point of criminal punishment is deterence, any penalty at all will still deter most people.

    (2) The deterence theory of punishment is largely discredited, at least in western style liberal democracies. Take the death penalty in the US as one example. There is quite a bit of good data that suggests that capital punishment does not act as a deterent. Yet, many (if not most) US citizens want to keep the death penalty legal and cheer when murders are put to death. Better theories are the retributive and restorative theories of punishment. The first seems crass to me, but there is good evidence to support it. The second is pretty interesting but one has to take a few metaphysical leaps to make sense out of it. For a good treatment see the section dealing with justice and punishment in John Finnis, ``Natural Law, Natural Right''

  56. why lulzsec is crap.. by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    This is why I think the Lulzsec antics are just going to cause more problems. We already have enough problems with our geriatric members of Congress trying to pass restrictive tech laws to protect their Hollywood friends and their "digital property" and the last thing we need is the same folks writing laws making "hacking" (such a vague term now) a 10+ year in prison felony.

  57. Awesome? NOT! by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    He not only got insignificant revenge, he was stupid too.

    Any BOFH worth his salt:

    1. Would delay any action for long enough to have plausible deny-ability

    2, Would make changes slowly and subtly so they were not immediately obvious.

    Examples:
    A script that modfied all the percentages and total/subtotals in a spread sheet by a random small percentage.

    Putting a bunch of errors in the financial report that was going tot he printers to be mailed out to everyone.

    Replacing 1 file in a thousand with a copy from the backup system every week.

    Once a month randomly overwrite some user's hard drive ideally making it look like a hardware failure.

    Reconfiguring a few ports on the network switch to lock out a MAC address at random.

    Auto emailing interesting files to the competition.

    Scale this, starting with small things 6 weeks after you left, and gradually increasing so that the new IT department is scrambling to keep up.

    You also have to do this in a way that is not obvious. You want systems where a machine inside the network establishes the connection, using a well known port so that it doesn't make much of a blip in network traffic analysis. And you actually want multiple such machines to avoid losing your access by a smart sysadmin. And it probably would help if you had a computer in a box that was attached to a spare cable and stuffed into the ceiling space.

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  58. Why tomhudson hates HOSTS files (GREED) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tomhudson = GREEDY ADVERTISER!!! Proof's below, & thank-you webmistressrachel, and this post shows later below what lengths he'll go to for protecting his pennies (ac trolling & stalking of myself, + libeling myself even):

    I really want to stress this to you apk, (and whilst doing so needle tomhudson about it!) trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's...software. - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal

    QUOTED FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394

    Hilarious (but... that's what you get for being obnoxious trolls whose motivation is GREED apparently!) & the amazing lengths you went to were incredible (see my p.s. below where you ac stalked & trolled me + told others to do so as well). Bad, bad, bad tomhudson, lol!

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    TOM HUDSON'S "FAIL LIST" ON DISPROVING MY POINTS ON HOSTS FILES NUMEROUS TIMES:

    (Since HOSTS can block adverts online/adbanners so you get more speed, &, so you are protected vs. malicious content in online adbanners also)

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    tomhudson bullshit on HOSTS is outnumbered 30:1 vs. apk evidences:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35847946

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    tomhudson BURNED on DNS vs. HOSTS and CPU cycles/memory & more used on HIS "ideas" vs. HOSTS vs. apk's ideas:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35879374

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    tomhudson BURNED & RAN on HOSTS vs. VIRUSES vs. myself yet again:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35877448

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    tomhudson says "hosts are so 90's" & apk's fellow RESPECTED security person wrote a noted article on them in 2009: (based on his readings of MY posts in forums no less)

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35876806

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    And others also...

    APK

    P.S.=> PROOF/EVIDENCES THEREOF in tomhudson calling me the HOSTS FILE TROLL etc. & stating to his trolltalk.com pals to stalk & troll me via AC replies:

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    "Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544

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    #2

    HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step

    "The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122

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    #3

    "if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680

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    and of course, tomhudson's numerous

    1. Re:Why tomhudson hates HOSTS files (GREED) by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Poor APK.

      What the heck, I have 5 minutes to waste, and he really does need his monthly kick in the head from me. He wants my attention so bad that he literally posts a hundred or more times, in the hope that I'll reply, so why not? After all, if he wants to troll himself so badly, who am I to stop it.

      So, APK, please tell everyone how giving away GPL software that I wrote, on a site that has never carried any form of commercial advertising, makes me a greedy advertiser.

      Maybe you can do a better job than you did when you failed in defending your precious hosts file crap.

      Come on, stupid cyber-stalker. Tell everyone how everyone writing and giving away GPL software is greedy.

      YHBT. YFI - Again!

    2. Re:Why tomhudson hates HOSTS files (GREED) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like trolltalk is a horrible piece-of-shit software anyways. Not sure why anyone would spend more than 2 minutes using a CMS that functions more archaically than PHPnuke. fail fail fail

    3. Re:Why tomhudson hates HOSTS files (GREED) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do adbanners then tom? Doesn't make sense. Do you earn any money at all from trolltalk.com or is it just a useless waste of your time?? I don't think you're telling the truth. It would make no sense to have adbanners or a website you pr by adbanners even.

    4. Re:Why tomhudson hates HOSTS files (GREED) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do adbanners if not paid 4 em? Makes no sense. I don't think tomhudson tells the truth. Does tomhudson earn any money at all from trolltalk.com or is it just a useless waste of tomhudson's time?? tomhudson's reactions alone with stalking and trolling telling others to do so is lame, but the adhominem attacks in his replies only show the rest.

  59. tomhudson: R U paid by adverts @ trolltalk.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer the question, YES or NO, in regards to this http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2261040&cid=36541158

  60. tomhudson: R U paid by adverts @ trolltalk.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A simple YES or NO will do.

    APK

  61. Ask tomhudson if he gets paid by adverts there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    @ trolltalk.com. See how "open SORES" he really is. He already "proved himself" here anyways in his own words telling others to stalk n troll apk over a year ago here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2261040&cid=36541158

  62. tomhudson: Do U earn money @ trolltalk.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes or No. We know U do adbanners, + ac stalk & troll:

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    "Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544

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    #2

    HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step

    "The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122

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    #3

    "if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680

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  63. tomhudson: Do U earn money from trolltalk.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer YES or NO. We know U do adbanners + stalk & troll others (from "trollStalk.com" pun intended, see below)

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    "Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544

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    #2

    HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step

    "The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122

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    #3

    "if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680

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    They should call it "trollStalk.com"

  64. Worth it? by hamburgler007 · · Score: 2

    Now you are convicted felon (probably, 2 years suspended), can no longer vote, and are almost certainly unemployable with the exception of the most menial of jobs. You are not some "l33t hacker," you basically did what any 14 year old computer savvy kid knows and can figure out. You have the maturity of a 14 year old as well, and it's probably what ended up getting you fired in the first place. So was it worth it?

    1. Re:Worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pretty ignorant post. I'm a convicted felon and make near the top of my expected income range as a senior software engineer. I also vote -- legally.