" 'Just because you have a male clothing fetish does not mean that the rest of us should have to dress to satisfy your sexual perversion"
I went into a job interview wearing a blue shirt and a tie and a nice outfit. One of the female workers who worked there smiled at me and looked up and down at my outfit.
I came by for a second interview wearing a suite and she tried to talk to me and get to know me in a flirting manner.
I started working there and then she looked up and down and was disappointed I was not wearing the suit. So the following day I wore a nice white shirt and a tie and the fellow workers laughed at me and called me a brown noser. However she asked me if I wanted a cup of coffee.... I was tempted to ask her to wear something very business professional in return with silk stalkings and a very nice corporate dress or skirt but I know better to say this to a woman.
Moral of the story... get a really fine chick to pretend she is from corporate or HR to make sure geeks dress up nicely and have her pretend its her fetish.
Which is why I like Eclipse's swt. The toolkit looks very native on windows as well since it hooks into a native windowing environment and its very fast.
I am a wannabe in college. But I have seen mess porting older software when I was in IT in the post.com crash.
I agree on over-engineering. I was privledged to hear a speaker from the superlinux beowulf project speak at my local LUG about how budgets get overkilled for simple things.... he loved to make fun of garden.com which has a system that can handle more transactions than ebay but has a profit of $15 million?? Yikes
But the three tier model is needed for apps that are expected to grow and be used for a very large time. Or that is what I was taught?
After reading about the expensive licensing of ms-sql server and oracle I can see why having a system that is more upgradable is nice. Otherwise it would take a long time and a big budget to get rid of scattered vendor specific code.
But if its for a small intranet site for a branch office then I wouldn't care if I were developing it.
-Make sure you use particular letters capped for variables of different types to make them more confusing for the losers who can't read the code and remember what each one was.
- always make calls by reference using pointers as arguments. Don't use call by values.
- Hell user other pointers that use other pointers to make things more interesting. Reassign them all over the place
- Never use a three tier model when developing client/server apps. This only creates redundancy and gets in the way of solving the problem.
- When linking to a database always use vendor specific extensions and avoid a database layer using something like odbc. It makes use of the advanced feature set by the particular RDBMS.
- Be a man! Show how much you know perl. Alot of one linners can save tons of time with exotic line switches
Oh last... make tons of money and gain job security because no one in Earth will be able to understand or work on your projects after doing all of these things. Enjoy
Free markets are truly free if they have perfect competition. We are not in a free market. That is correct. The world's oil is being processes at refineries that are owned by a tiny handfull of companies.
Why is it that I can get gas outside the US for 1/3 the price where the government owns some refinaries? Sure no one oil company owns the whole market but price gouging and the power to manipulate a whole market is monopolistic or close to it. That is not a free market.
Government monopolies which the purests hate so much include many public utilities like water, sewer, power, etc. However their answer for deregulation has hurt prices as the phone companies which were natural monopolies and regulated are now hurting us they limit supply to bring up demand. In Korea you can get fiber optics to your home for $15 a month. They love laughing at us for paying for a third of a meg for $45.
So free markets work both ways with little to no regulation by the government and also perfect competition where no vendor can hold everyone hostage.
I assumed Ucalifornia at berkely donated vi, tcp/ip, bsd unix, inetd, and other free software came out long before gnu. Darwin is opensource under a BSD license unless I am incorrect. (I dont use macs)
This is the same argument I heard from zealots complaining that linux should be called gnu/linux because without gnu linux would never be.... nevermind the fact that BSD386 and its net and free cousins had possix utilities before linux came out.
Just because you do not agree with the gpl does not mean its not opensource or even free for that matter. Freedom is lost when you can not run any commercial apps that are available under MacOSX. That is something teh gpl fanatics fail to realize.
Yes these $100 are for school children to write reports. Not to evangelize free software. How do you think openoffice will run on these things?... shudder. This reminds me of the flamewar last week over a kernel api and driver interface and consistant abi's? I just want a system to work and be stable and don't care about losing my freedoms due too lack of drivers and commercial apps due to the fact that linux doesn't have a consistent abi and kernel api.
Also the hardware is open on these things and hackable fully so that argument is mute. Did your older pc's have opensource operating systems?
Go read the previous story a few days ago about Linux lacking a api for kernel drivers and a consistant abi?
Solaris just works. The drivers just work. Things have models and solaris is well tested. Linux used to be stable but its ideology about having to be opensource is hurting it and preventing many stable third party drivers.
Solarisx86 works and you can install and compile packages off the net and they will magically work too! In linux they are all incompatible with each other and you need to use apt_get, portage, or rpm's from the distributor. They are so different that compiling one app will usually introduce bugs and is not tested.
Solarisxx86 is solarisx86. The software you download like perl cpan's will just run because its consistant.
Linux is going to fork soon in my opinion unless it can get its act together about being compatible with itself and offering standards.
Just like the flamewars a few days ago about consistant abi's and api's for drivers, the problem is mute with solaris.
Solaris has a consistant stable abi and api's for drivers. Things like Linux which is why unix ISV's prefer solaris. Oracle infact has a script that refuses to run itself if RHEA3 is modified in anyway. Its a serious problem but Sun cares about software being reliable and consistant for closed source vendors. Something Linus and RMS do not care about as they view Linux as ideology only.
"When the linux kernel people discover a new way to write drivers that sees enhancements across the board, chances are that they are going to break any of your "single driver" models"
Wrong. They will just write a newer api version or perhaps support multiple abi's.
The free drivers will use the better and newer api's and vendors will recompile them to the newer api's as well. Problem sovled and it works this way in the commercial OS world.
ALSA is a classic example of what an api can do and how it brings in driver makers.
Maybe the only true solution is to fork the kernel. I would be more than happy with my stable closed source drivers and I could run older apps without worrying about compatibility problems by having a stable abi.
Or watch solarisx86 take the market? FOr a server these days it makes more sense and i know the vendor has quality certified drivers. I could update solaris if a kernel security problem arised without breaking my system.
Thats the problem. ABI's change in a matter of months which it impossible for ISV's to support.
WIndows does not have this problem because of smart dynamic versioning of its dlls. Why can't linux have it. I think unix has some version of this since you can run 10 year old solaris apps. Try that on linux?
What makes you think there are closed source drivers now running on your linux distro?
An api is essential and so are profiled library api's and kernel support for smart dynamic linking to run older apps. Unix does this which is why vendors prefer it.
Oracle will even refuse to run if you modify any setting in RHEA3. They do this because it breaks too easily to run reliabily. Something needs to be done before we see a mass exodus to Solarisx86.
Closed source drivers are here. There is nothing we can do. We can improve our stability and quantity of the drivers by a standard api. By the way the api was mentioned not to accomodate closed source driver makers but to make hackers lives easier. Its 2005 folks.
Alsa is a great example of a good api that brought stability and closed source driver makers to linux.
I lose freedom when I have unsupported hardware. I lose freedom when linux is buggy. Businesses lose freedom if they can't port their apps and drivers because of constant changes.
I lose my freedom to run the software I want because windows has more consistant api's for developers to use.
Just fork the stupid kernel to make everyone happy or add an option for xconfig to use closed drivers or not?
Thats precisely what attracted me to FreeBSD. Politics and gnu zealots.
Yes the BSD guys have arguments and ban each other sometimes which creates different bsd's but their is never a sense of forcing an ideology on someone else.
SO what if someone wants to use free software? I never agreed to become part of a movement. I want free software and develop free software for myself and for others in a BSD license.
I want a quality os that ISV's can port software to. Solaris is rock solid because it had all the previous api's and libraries as well as kernel api's installed. AN older app can just link to the right one and RUN. Why is this such a hard concept?
Its so bad that even Oracle has a special script that looks at RHEA3 and will refuse to function if its modified in anyway. That is extreme but it keeps breaking due to these problems with changes and lack of consistent api's.
Maybe Linux should split in too. My guess is the one with the closed drivers will be the one used by commerical developers while the gpl zealots can have their own truly free but behind kernel... cough.. debian.
I installed SuSE10 last week and a big disclaimer about nvidia drivers causing crashes appeared.
The good news is that nvidia drivers suck on WIndows as well. I use older drivers from last year because my 6600gt will stall for 5 minutes when I launch any video if I upgrade the drivers. Its been 6 months and still no fix. 3dmark2003 also showed disappointing performance as well.
Lets hope ATI can improve. If I were a cad or a 3d artist user I would be very weary of chosing linux right now for obvious reasons.
Speaking of nvidia I had a very nasty experience under windows2k with their latest drivers.
I downgraded to a WQH(windows quality hardware) certified and my board works fine again and is much faster. Strange
It seems ATI is making better drivers these days and hell froze over.
I am in favor of a kernel api because hackers can use it too to write free drivers and it would attract driver makers to linux.
Face the facts? Their shareholders wont let hte vendors make open drivers. IF someone steals their tradesecrets the shareholders could fire teh CEO. WIFI for example is better supported under FreeBSD 6.0 because they are closed source. WHy?
The FCC requires all wifi devices to be proprietary. That is another example.
What is the difference between a $600 quadro and an outdated $85 Geforce4? THe firmwire is flashed differently and the drivers will optimize for accuracy vs performance between the 2.
That is why they dont want to open.
Also designs are copyrighted and if you open the source a competitor could argue that companyA neglected its copyright by opening it to the public, so therefore its ok to steal the design. May not be entirely true since copyright is designed to share work, but an ignorant judge could look at it as carelessness for being open.
WIFI is required to be closed and proprietary by the FCC under Powell. The government can revoke its license to produce wifi cards otherwise.
Face the facts. In this day and age of litigation most companies make profit from suing each other and protecting themselves for a *potential* lawsuit. Their shareholders demand closed source and will fire any CEO who willingly let go of its crown jewels to make a few geeks happy.
Last, many vendors want profesional certified drivers. Not the crappy community ones. Yes commerical ones can suck too but I have had problems with my new geforce6600GT for example. I downgraded to an earlier driver that is "Windows quality certified" and performance is alot better.
I am sick of the windows trolls mentioning windows is bad because of the drivers. Not because of its design. The fud was started by Microsoft and I have yet to see solaris crash because of bad drivers as an example.
I find windows just works. No funky problems with acpi turning off the sound, no strange behavior with usb pen drivers, etc. Its because the drivers are good quality on WIndows and not made by hackers who do not know all the details about the hardware.
I support the kernel api since hackers can use it as well. Also we need a layer of api's of gcc and older kernels. This is why ISV's prefer solaris over linux. You can run a 10 year old app on solaris without a problem. Try that on linux where there are no layers or dynamic linking?
The problems i had were related to spyware and its over %80 of the calls acording to management. If the user's pc is so fucked up that it takes 3 minutes for a response when the user clicks on the start button there is nothing I could do. Its a 35+ minute call. No I have not been successfull in telling the user quickly how to reinstall aol and then leave.
I honestly do not know how some of these guys keep it under 12 minutes? Its just not possible from my point of view. Worse was teh management who would go over your shoulder and nick and nat at everything not correct.
My last day I had an average call time of 28 minutes. I had this very irrated caller and did they use the memberconnect sheets when you were there?
I had a 2 page member connect going on, my boss yelled at me about my handle time, Merlin fucked up and I had no id and had to go over 6 times what his screename is, and now a user has a simple question and gets irrated right off the bat due to the fact I had to go over 6 times what his screename was. I have to ask dumb things like "Can you connect to aol" when he calls about a printer question. Its stupid. He lost his temper and and started screaming at me
I was not pressured out but I knew my future was limited in an environment like that when this call happened. I just hungup on him and wrote a quick letter of resignation and walked out with HR and security.:-(
Also it sounds like he is not interested in the job anyway. Why else would you be playing games?
If it sucks that bad that you can't focus on it then its time to go. I did this on my last job doing phone support for aol. I was not intentionally goofing off but the stress and extreme pressures that required me to be rude to rush people to keep my handle times insanely low were too much to bare. Not to mention unethical. I quit but would have been fired eventually anyway because I am not assertive and control like during the calls and wanted to help the customers instead (not profitable).
People forget that employers do not work for you. You work for your employers in exchange for a paycheck.
But why do this? Instead having the setup ask the user which windowmananger to chose from should be the best way. Also they could make the polish towards kde for ubuntu for users wanting to use it or use several windowmanagers.
I think its just silly and a waste of energy personally.
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'Just because you have a male clothing fetish does not mean that the rest of us should have to dress to satisfy your sexual perversion"
I went into a job interview wearing a blue shirt and a tie and a nice outfit. One of the female workers who worked there smiled at me and looked up and down at my outfit.
I came by for a second interview wearing a suite and she tried to talk to me and get to know me in a flirting manner.
I started working there and then she looked up and down and was disappointed I was not wearing the suit. So the following day I wore a nice white shirt and a tie and the fellow workers laughed at me and called me a brown noser. However she asked me if I wanted a cup of coffee.
Moral of the story... get a really fine chick to pretend she is from corporate or HR to make sure geeks dress up nicely and have her pretend its her fetish.
Which is why I like Eclipse's swt. The toolkit looks very native on windows as well since it hooks into a native windowing environment and its very fast.
Neither.
.com crash.
I am a wannabe in college. But I have seen mess porting older software when I was in IT in the post
I agree on over-engineering. I was privledged to hear a speaker from the superlinux beowulf project speak at my local LUG about how budgets get overkilled for simple things.... he loved to make fun of garden.com which has a system that can handle more transactions than ebay but has a profit of $15 million?? Yikes
But the three tier model is needed for apps that are expected to grow and be used for a very large time. Or that is what I was taught?
After reading about the expensive licensing of ms-sql server and oracle I can see why having a system that is more upgradable is nice. Otherwise it would take a long time and a big budget to get rid of scattered vendor specific code.
But if its for a small intranet site for a branch office then I wouldn't care if I were developing it.
Its for wussies!
-USe tons and tons of goto statements.
-Make sure you use particular letters capped for variables of different types to make them more confusing for the losers who can't read the code and remember what each one was.
- always make calls by reference using pointers as arguments. Don't use call by values.
- Hell user other pointers that use other pointers to make things more interesting. Reassign them all over the place
- Never use a three tier model when developing client/server apps. This only creates redundancy and gets in the way of solving the problem.
- When linking to a database always use vendor specific extensions and avoid a database layer using something like odbc. It makes use of the advanced feature set by the particular RDBMS.
- Be a man! Show how much you know perl. Alot of one linners can save tons of time with exotic line switches
Oh last... make tons of money and gain job security because no one in Earth will be able to understand or work on your projects after doing all of these things. Enjoy
Ok then ... its evil :-)
Free markets are truly free if they have perfect competition. We are not in a free market. That is correct. The world's oil is being processes at refineries that are owned by a tiny handfull of companies.
Why is it that I can get gas outside the US for 1/3 the price where the government owns some refinaries? Sure no one oil company owns the whole market but price gouging and the power to manipulate a whole market is monopolistic or close to it. That is not a free market.
Government monopolies which the purests hate so much include many public utilities like water, sewer, power, etc. However their answer for deregulation has hurt prices as the phone companies which were natural monopolies and regulated are now hurting us they limit supply to bring up demand. In Korea you can get fiber optics to your home for $15 a month. They love laughing at us for paying for a third of a meg for $45.
So free markets work both ways with little to no regulation by the government and also perfect competition where no vendor can hold everyone hostage.
I am a poor student and want to play wow free without paying. The rootkit is quite handy to hide hacks that would make it undetectable to blizzard.
What does this have to do with the sony rootkit?
I assumed Ucalifornia at berkely donated vi, tcp/ip, bsd unix, inetd, and other free software came out long before gnu. Darwin is opensource under a BSD license unless I am incorrect. (I dont use macs)
This is the same argument I heard from zealots complaining that linux should be called gnu/linux because without gnu linux would never be.... nevermind the fact that BSD386 and its net and free cousins had possix utilities before linux came out.
Just because you do not agree with the gpl does not mean its not opensource or even free for that matter. Freedom is lost when you can not run any commercial apps that are available under MacOSX. That is something teh gpl fanatics fail to realize.
Yes these $100 are for school children to write reports. Not to evangelize free software. How do you think openoffice will run on these things?
Also the hardware is open on these things and hackable fully so that argument is mute. Did your older pc's have opensource operating systems?
Go read the previous story a few days ago about Linux lacking a api for kernel drivers and a consistant abi?
Solaris just works. The drivers just work. Things have models and solaris is well tested. Linux used to be stable but its ideology about having to be opensource is hurting it and preventing many stable third party drivers.
Solarisx86 works and you can install and compile packages off the net and they will magically work too! In linux they are all incompatible with each other and you need to use apt_get, portage, or rpm's from the distributor. They are so different that compiling one app will usually introduce bugs and is not tested.
Solarisxx86 is solarisx86. The software you download like perl cpan's will just run because its consistant.
Linux is going to fork soon in my opinion unless it can get its act together about being compatible with itself and offering standards.
Just like the flamewars a few days ago about consistant abi's and api's for drivers, the problem is mute with solaris.
Solaris has a consistant stable abi and api's for drivers. Things like Linux which is why unix ISV's prefer solaris. Oracle infact has a script that refuses to run itself if RHEA3 is modified in anyway. Its a serious problem but Sun cares about software being reliable and consistant for closed source vendors. Something Linus and RMS do not care about as they view Linux as ideology only.
"When the linux kernel people discover a new way to write drivers that sees enhancements across the board, chances are that they are going to break any of your "single driver" models"
Wrong. They will just write a newer api version or perhaps support multiple abi's.
The free drivers will use the better and newer api's and vendors will recompile them to the newer api's as well. Problem sovled and it works this way in the commercial OS world.
ALSA is a classic example of what an api can do and how it brings in driver makers.
Maybe the only true solution is to fork the kernel. I would be more than happy with my stable closed source drivers and I could run older apps without worrying about compatibility problems by having a stable abi.
Or watch solarisx86 take the market? FOr a server these days it makes more sense and i know the vendor has quality certified drivers. I could update solaris if a kernel security problem arised without breaking my system.
This is linux. No one gets fired.
Thats the problem. ABI's change in a matter of months which it impossible for ISV's to support.
WIndows does not have this problem because of smart dynamic versioning of its dlls. Why can't linux have it. I think unix has some version of this since you can run 10 year old solaris apps. Try that on linux?
What makes you think there are closed source drivers now running on your linux distro?
An api is essential and so are profiled library api's and kernel support for smart dynamic linking to run older apps. Unix does this which is why vendors prefer it.
Oracle will even refuse to run if you modify any setting in RHEA3. They do this because it breaks too easily to run reliabily. Something needs to be done before we see a mass exodus to Solarisx86.
Closed source drivers are here. There is nothing we can do. We can improve our stability and quantity of the drivers by a standard api. By the way the api was mentioned not to accomodate closed source driver makers but to make hackers lives easier. Its 2005 folks.
Alsa is a great example of a good api that brought stability and closed source driver makers to linux.
I lose freedom when I have unsupported hardware. I lose freedom when linux is buggy. Businesses lose freedom if they can't port their apps and drivers because of constant changes.
I lose my freedom to run the software I want because windows has more consistant api's for developers to use.
Just fork the stupid kernel to make everyone happy or add an option for xconfig to use closed drivers or not?
Thats precisely what attracted me to FreeBSD. Politics and gnu zealots.
.. debian.
Yes the BSD guys have arguments and ban each other sometimes which creates different bsd's but their is never a sense of forcing an ideology on someone else.
SO what if someone wants to use free software? I never agreed to become part of a movement. I want free software and develop free software for myself and for others in a BSD license.
I want a quality os that ISV's can port software to. Solaris is rock solid because it had all the previous api's and libraries as well as kernel api's installed. AN older app can just link to the right one and RUN. Why is this such a hard concept?
Its so bad that even Oracle has a special script that looks at RHEA3 and will refuse to function if its modified in anyway. That is extreme but it keeps breaking due to these problems with changes and lack of consistent api's.
Maybe Linux should split in too. My guess is the one with the closed drivers will be the one used by commerical developers while the gpl zealots can have their own truly free but behind kernel... cough
I installed SuSE10 last week and a big disclaimer about nvidia drivers causing crashes appeared.
The good news is that nvidia drivers suck on WIndows as well. I use older drivers from last year because my 6600gt will stall for 5 minutes when I launch any video if I upgrade the drivers. Its been 6 months and still no fix. 3dmark2003 also showed disappointing performance as well.
Lets hope ATI can improve. If I were a cad or a 3d artist user I would be very weary of chosing linux right now for obvious reasons.
A stable kernel api will help greatly.
The drivers on windows are better to me.
Speaking of nvidia I had a very nasty experience under windows2k with their latest drivers.
I downgraded to a WQH(windows quality hardware) certified and my board works fine again and is much faster. Strange
It seems ATI is making better drivers these days and hell froze over.
I am in favor of a kernel api because hackers can use it too to write free drivers and it would attract driver makers to linux.
Face the facts? Their shareholders wont let hte vendors make open drivers. IF someone steals their tradesecrets the shareholders could fire teh CEO. WIFI for example is better supported under FreeBSD 6.0 because they are closed source. WHy?
The FCC requires all wifi devices to be proprietary. That is another example.
I am just a realist here
There is a ton of IP to protect.
What is the difference between a $600 quadro and an outdated $85 Geforce4? THe firmwire is flashed differently and the drivers will optimize for accuracy vs performance between the 2.
That is why they dont want to open.
Also designs are copyrighted and if you open the source a competitor could argue that companyA neglected its copyright by opening it to the public, so therefore its ok to steal the design. May not be entirely true since copyright is designed to share work, but an ignorant judge could look at it as carelessness for being open.
WIFI is required to be closed and proprietary by the FCC under Powell. The government can revoke its license to produce wifi cards otherwise.
Face the facts. In this day and age of litigation most companies make profit from suing each other and protecting themselves for a *potential* lawsuit. Their shareholders demand closed source and will fire any CEO who willingly let go of its crown jewels to make a few geeks happy.
Last, many vendors want profesional certified drivers. Not the crappy community ones. Yes commerical ones can suck too but I have had problems with my new geforce6600GT for example. I downgraded to an earlier driver that is "Windows quality certified" and performance is alot better.
I am sick of the windows trolls mentioning windows is bad because of the drivers. Not because of its design. The fud was started by Microsoft and I have yet to see solaris crash because of bad drivers as an example.
I find windows just works. No funky problems with acpi turning off the sound, no strange behavior with usb pen drivers, etc. Its because the drivers are good quality on WIndows and not made by hackers who do not know all the details about the hardware.
I support the kernel api since hackers can use it as well. Also we need a layer of api's of gcc and older kernels. This is why ISV's prefer solaris over linux. You can run a 10 year old app on solaris without a problem. Try that on linux where there are no layers or dynamic linking?
Also it was stream. Rumor has it that Stream wants aol to buy them out so we have to outcompete aol's own internal team with handle time.
Only %20 make it after 90 days without being fired or quiting. Sigh.
It was unreal.
They want 12.5 minutes.
:-(
The problems i had were related to spyware and its over %80 of the calls acording to management. If the user's pc is so fucked up that it takes 3 minutes for a response when the user clicks on the start button there is nothing I could do. Its a 35+ minute call. No I have not been successfull in telling the user quickly how to reinstall aol and then leave.
I honestly do not know how some of these guys keep it under 12 minutes? Its just not possible from my point of view. Worse was teh management who would go over your shoulder and nick and nat at everything not correct.
My last day I had an average call time of 28 minutes. I had this very irrated caller and did they use the memberconnect sheets when you were there?
I had a 2 page member connect going on, my boss yelled at me about my handle time, Merlin fucked up and I had no id and had to go over 6 times what his screename is, and now a user has a simple question and gets irrated right off the bat due to the fact I had to go over 6 times what his screename was. I have to ask dumb things like "Can you connect to aol" when he calls about a printer question. Its stupid. He lost his temper and and started screaming at me
I was not pressured out but I knew my future was limited in an environment like that when this call happened. I just hungup on him and wrote a quick letter of resignation and walked out with HR and security.
Also it sounds like he is not interested in the job anyway. Why else would you be playing games?
If it sucks that bad that you can't focus on it then its time to go. I did this on my last job doing phone support for aol. I was not intentionally goofing off but the stress and extreme pressures that required me to be rude to rush people to keep my handle times insanely low were too much to bare. Not to mention unethical. I quit but would have been fired eventually anyway because I am not assertive and control like during the calls and wanted to help the customers instead (not profitable).
People forget that employers do not work for you. You work for your employers in exchange for a paycheck.
I think this solution sums it up more nicely in my book than to be all bubbly in a scary sort of way.
But why do this? Instead having the setup ask the user which windowmananger to chose from should be the best way. Also they could make the polish towards kde for ubuntu for users wanting to use it or use several windowmanagers.
I think its just silly and a waste of energy personally.
I meant "drives" not "drivers" ... now shoot me