This is the problem with walmart including the example from the parent message earlier about a gallon of pickles costing $2.97.
The company that did this was strong armed by walmart after a chinese company claimed they could supply walmart that amount of pickles for under $3.
Walmart then arm twisted all their pickle manufactors to match the price or be banned from the shelves.
Most brand names refused and realized they would go under if they could sell the pickles to Walmart for that price except for one brand name manufactor.
I do not remember the company name but sure enough they went bankrupt after trying to sell the pickles for the $2.97.
Walmart is having a negative effect on the market. Manufactors are forced to never raise prices for products despite inflation not to mention are forced production oversea's, required to scale up product to a point that they will go under if they cancel walmart, to lowering living standards.
They are a monstor corporation and have the GDP of most governments. In essence they are becoming a government themselves if they are the sole distributor of 50% of all goods according to some economists.
My old man got my a used 286 close to a decade ago when he had the nice 486DX2. My friends made fun of me.
Did I complain?
No. I just kept using my fathers for games and hacked my 286 to run AOL for dos so I could go on the net. (shudder)
I learned Borland TurboC/C++ on it and connected to some BBS's as a terminal so I found some use for it...... and saved money to upgrade it to a 486.:-)
But I found out the best was as a teenager ready to go to college was to convince my father a nice pentium would be cool for the office and I took the 486 for my own use when he had no need for it.:-)
Walmart wont even ship HDTV"s from sony and other brand names because some unknown Chinesse manufactor can sell the same TV for $100 cheaper. Keep in mind they are around $4000 in value so $100 is nothing.
But hey, its walmart. Whoever can stock it hte cheapest wins.
The ladder is a greater value of course but its only price that walmart cares about even if its very very tiny percentages.
I think installing multiple copies of software is still illegal because in effect your computer copies the code from the cd-rom which is covered by copyright. You can use copyrighted material but just not copy. This is why its called copyright.
Standard copyright laws make distribution legal but copying illegal. If you install a piece of software than its copied which is the trick the lawyers for the software industry use. But yes n EULA is needed. Its still pirating and you have a right I think for one backup copy of your software under American fair use laws. Unless of course it violates teh DMCA which is circumventing a copyright prevention mechanism. This is why slashdot hates the law.
The same is true for printing copies of books you bought. You can share your books with friends and read it anyway you want. However an EULA tries to prevent this since the software industry prefers each user to buy their software individually for more money.
Clauses like the example above are why EULA's exist.
And yes photcopying books in your house is illegal unless its covered by fair use laws. For example you can photocopy snippets for a paper in college as long as you give credit or make your own personal copy but you can not copy your books and hand them out to coworkers or friends.
Grace hopper was a mathmatician hired by the Navy.
She did not design computers in her garage nor became famous by learning things on her own.
I am not saying she is not important. I am saying what this woman did by designing systems without a degree is pretty impressive and much harder and a much broader scale.
How can she design chips without a frabrication plant?
Sure you can fiddle around with autocad and many other cad electronic design tools but that does not make someone an electrical engineer or chip designer.
It makes me wonder how she got started and how she got hired and who invested in her idea's and got her work to the fabrication plants that built her products.
FreeBSD puts older versions of libraries api's and shell tools under the/compat directories.
I think Solaris does this too but I am not too sure. Correct me if I am wrong.
I tried compiling and running older software like gldoom with no luck under FreeBSD. But after using the sh from/compat/version X it worked fine withot a sweat.
Windows includes older Dlls and the OS links to the proper ones when it detects its an older program. Linux should do something similiar.
Libc changes, api changes, script changes, binary incompatiblities persist. I can run old Windows apps but one program compiled even for the same Linux distro like redhat wont work in later versions.
Its lightyears behind Windows, Solaris, and MacOSX>
This is why you do not actually purchase teh software.
Just a copy of it so First Sale doctrine does not apply.
Kind of weird hu?
Eula's were invented for large business licenses and this makes sense. Microsoft started using EULA's knowing they were BS for average Joe's but no one challenged the EULA's so it gave them all sorts of legal power.
If the EULA's are no longer valid, than spyware can be interpretted as a worm or trojan horse which would make the programmers and companies who write teh software liable for criminal and civil damages.
Ouch. And good for us.
I was under the impression any license agreement was not valid anyway without a notary present for a signature. Clicking a botton can not be interpetted as signing a document. Especially if no lawyer or notary is present.
I think the whole concept of a EULA is bs. MS who started this with average joe consumer knew it too but gave it a shot.
Corporate customers who sign legal agreements is a whole different matter.
I had to switch back to Windows on my workstation for a variety of reasons. I downloaded gimp2.0 for WIndows hoping these improved since gimp 1.0.
The fact that gimp treates each component as a seperate.exe program makes it a pain to use. If I click one window it will go over the other gimp windows. I can not have reattachable toolbars or a fully integrated program with the stencils, effects, and main graphics window integrated in one. It means I have to resize each window to fit my desktop myself on startup and then when I select another program everything goes to hell as some of the components go to the background and hide around other applications.
Dia is another opensource program based on the gimp toolkit that has an unusable UI.
I admit I want to learn the gimp and I am not an expert but I get a headache just looking at the program. Its a mess.
I can not tell you how much I want photoshop right now. I would switch in a second.
Moving optimizations in software certainly is not the wave of the future.
Risc is. All the x86 chips just wrap x86 instructions to a risc core.
Risc does leave some more work to the compiler but in return it leaves space on the cpu for things like cache and large pipelines for data and registers which speed things up nicely.
IF your pc is behind a hardware firewall you should be fine. I believe the 5 minutes or less study was done with pc's with no firewall to the internet.
I would not visit any other websites with IE which could infect a pc besides Windows update.
These bugs and many many others have been known for a long time.
Not to sound trollish but the FBI and computer security groups label PHP with more holes than ASP. No joke.
Its nice to see the php team begin to take security seriously. Especially if they want lamp to ever replace Java or ASP on many corporate webservers and intranets.
Lets get the real crooks who cost corporate America more money and are an irritation to society!
seriously malware programs are trojan horses and its cracking pure and simple. Many install themelves via buffer overflows in javascript just like a real worm. Many install keyboard loggers and backdoors just like a real worm. ALso many slow down computers just like real worms. So if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then what is it?
As much as I hate to admit it I can not think of a single use for Linux since I am no longer in IT.
A cool looking desktop aside, where is MS Office, yahooIM, my cam software, photoshop, ease of use, simplicity, commercial software, USB flashdrive, cam support, etc. Gaim wont work half the time with yahoo since yahoo changes the protocal every few months, my cam wont work with it, Gimp barely even supports 24-bit color per pixel and is no photoshop, Openoffice is not 100% compatible with MS Office.
Unless your a web developer or administrator there is no use for Unix.
Windows is finally fairly stable and the software is there. It also just works. Need to upgrade your programs? Just click setup.exe. No rpm hell, no dealing with portupgrades, no worrying about dependancy problems that even apt-get can run into during a rare occasion.
Have a digital camera or USB printer? Just plug it in and thats it.
Even for some developers Windows is the target audience for the users. ALso VS.NET comes with some nice tools that makes vi look quite outdated. VB is nice and there is no equilivant in Linux besides beta's of vb.mono.
Unless all the OEM manufactors realize that the ms tax is a pain and ship all their desktops with Linux in order to attract commercial software developers than it wont change.
Windows has its benefits because everyone uses it. You can argue until our blue in the face but commercial support or lack of will keep Windows standard for a very long time.
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This is the problem with walmart including the example from the parent message earlier about a gallon of pickles costing $2.97.
The company that did this was strong armed by walmart after a chinese company claimed they could supply walmart that amount of pickles for under $3.
Walmart then arm twisted all their pickle manufactors to match the price or be banned from the shelves.
Most brand names refused and realized they would go under if they could sell the pickles to Walmart for that price except for one brand name manufactor.
I do not remember the company name but sure enough they went bankrupt after trying to sell the pickles for the $2.97.
Walmart is having a negative effect on the market. Manufactors are forced to never raise prices for products despite inflation not to mention are forced production oversea's, required to scale up product to a point that they will go under if they cancel walmart, to lowering living standards.
They are a monstor corporation and have the GDP of most governments. In essence they are becoming a government themselves if they are the sole distributor of 50% of all goods according to some economists.
Agreed.
You can do alot with it and its a good thing. Why?
Instead of playing video games perhaps learning how to hack Linux, learn to code, and do something like.... gasp.. work, you can do alot with it.
Agreed
..... and saved money to upgrade it to a 486. :-)
:-)
My old man got my a used 286 close to a decade ago when he had the nice 486DX2. My friends made fun of me.
Did I complain?
No. I just kept using my fathers for games and hacked my 286 to run AOL for dos so I could go on the net. (shudder)
I learned Borland TurboC/C++ on it and connected to some BBS's as a terminal so I found some use for it.
But I found out the best was as a teenager ready to go to college was to convince my father a nice pentium would be cool for the office and I took the 486 for my own use when he had no need for it.
Now that is smart thinking.
But would you want to run Openoffice on that beast with 128 megs of ram and a processor about as fast as a pentium pro?
I think not.
" did anyone notice there doesn't seem to be a PCMCIA slot anywhere?"
Of course. That would cost money silly. Unless you do insane things to keep costs down, walmart frankly wont ship your product.
I bet this is how the particular vendor won the contract for the right to have the product on store shelves.
Are they seriously that slow?
Walmart wont even ship HDTV"s from sony and other brand names because some unknown Chinesse manufactor can sell the same TV for $100 cheaper. Keep in mind they are around $4000 in value so $100 is nothing.
But hey, its walmart. Whoever can stock it hte cheapest wins.
The ladder is a greater value of course but its only price that walmart cares about even if its very very tiny percentages.
I think installing multiple copies of software is still illegal because in effect your computer copies the code from the cd-rom which is covered by copyright. You can use copyrighted material but just not copy. This is why its called copyright.
Standard copyright laws make distribution legal but copying illegal. If you install a piece of software than its copied which is the trick the lawyers for the software industry use. But yes n EULA is needed. Its still pirating and you have a right I think for one backup copy of your software under American fair use laws. Unless of course it violates teh DMCA which is circumventing a copyright prevention mechanism. This is why slashdot hates the law.
The same is true for printing copies of books you bought. You can share your books with friends and read it anyway you want. However an EULA tries to prevent this since the software industry prefers each user to buy their software individually for more money.
Clauses like the example above are why EULA's exist.
And yes photcopying books in your house is illegal unless its covered by fair use laws. For example you can photocopy snippets for a paper in college as long as you give credit or make your own personal copy but you can not copy your books and hand them out to coworkers or friends.
Many male geeks here joke that they hack or make case mods to gain chicks.
But in reality its yourselves who get all the attention here.
So this means making case mods and building chips or hacking code will have men knocking on your doors.
Just do not let their long hair, bears, and unsanitariness bother you.
Grace hopper was a mathmatician hired by the Navy.
She did not design computers in her garage nor became famous by learning things on her own.
I am not saying she is not important. I am saying what this woman did by designing systems without a degree is pretty impressive and much harder and a much broader scale.
How can she design chips without a frabrication plant?
Sure you can fiddle around with autocad and many other cad electronic design tools but that does not make someone an electrical engineer or chip designer.
It makes me wonder how she got started and how she got hired and who invested in her idea's and got her work to the fabrication plants that built her products.
FreeBSD puts older versions of libraries api's and shell tools under the /compat directories.
/compat/version X it worked fine withot a sweat.
I think Solaris does this too but I am not too sure. Correct me if I am wrong.
I tried compiling and running older software like gldoom with no luck under FreeBSD. But after using the sh from
Windows includes older Dlls and the OS links to the proper ones when it detects its an older program. Linux should do something similiar.
Give it a shot.
I guarantee you money it wont work.
I gave up trying to run quak3.
Libc changes, api changes, script changes, binary incompatiblities persist. I can run old Windows apps but one program compiled even for the same Linux distro like redhat wont work in later versions.
Its lightyears behind Windows, Solaris, and MacOSX>
Didn't they open one in the hood in watts or south-central LA?
You would be amazed at what Walmart could do with a little lobbying for more business convient laws.
This is why you do not actually purchase teh software.
Just a copy of it so First Sale doctrine does not apply.
Kind of weird hu?
Eula's were invented for large business licenses and this makes sense. Microsoft started using EULA's knowing they were BS for average Joe's but no one challenged the EULA's so it gave them all sorts of legal power.
You are still bound by copyright law not to install Windows on more than one system.
So writing an install program for Windows is pointless unless of course there are some other irks in the license agreement you do not like.
If the EULA's are no longer valid, than spyware can be interpretted as a worm or trojan horse which would make the programmers and companies who write teh software liable for criminal and civil damages.
Ouch. And good for us.
I was under the impression any license agreement was not valid anyway without a notary present for a signature. Clicking a botton can not be interpetted as signing a document. Especially if no lawyer or notary is present.
I think the whole concept of a EULA is bs. MS who started this with average joe consumer knew it too but gave it a shot.
Corporate customers who sign legal agreements is a whole different matter.
THe Windows version is a prelease.
I find it borderline unusable.
.exe program makes it a pain to use. If I click one window it will go over the other gimp windows. I can not have reattachable toolbars or a fully integrated program with the stencils, effects, and main graphics window integrated in one. It means I have to resize each window to fit my desktop myself on startup and then when I select another program everything goes to hell as some of the components go to the background and hide around other applications.
I had to switch back to Windows on my workstation for a variety of reasons. I downloaded gimp2.0 for WIndows hoping these improved since gimp 1.0.
The fact that gimp treates each component as a seperate
Dia is another opensource program based on the gimp toolkit that has an unusable UI.
I admit I want to learn the gimp and I am not an expert but I get a headache just looking at the program. Its a mess.
I can not tell you how much I want photoshop right now. I would switch in a second.
I disagree.
Moving optimizations in software certainly is not the wave of the future.
Risc is. All the x86 chips just wrap x86 instructions to a risc core.
Risc does leave some more work to the compiler but in return it leaves space on the cpu for things like cache and large pipelines for data and registers which speed things up nicely.
IF your pc is behind a hardware firewall you should be fine. I believe the 5 minutes or less study was done with pc's with no firewall to the internet.
I would not visit any other websites with IE which could infect a pc besides Windows update.
These bugs and many many others have been known for a long time.
Not to sound trollish but the FBI and computer security groups label PHP with more holes than ASP. No joke.
Its nice to see the php team begin to take security seriously. Especially if they want lamp to ever replace Java or ASP on many corporate webservers and intranets.
Lets get the real crooks who cost corporate America more money and are an irritation to society!
seriously malware programs are trojan horses and its cracking pure and simple. Many install themelves via buffer overflows in javascript just like a real worm. Many install keyboard loggers and backdoors just like a real worm. ALso many slow down computers just like real worms. So if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then what is it?
They are the true crooks here.
As much as I hate to admit it I can not think of a single use for Linux since I am no longer in IT.
A cool looking desktop aside, where is MS Office, yahooIM, my cam software, photoshop, ease of use, simplicity, commercial software, USB flashdrive, cam support, etc. Gaim wont work half the time with yahoo since yahoo changes the protocal every few months, my cam wont work with it, Gimp barely even supports 24-bit color per pixel and is no photoshop, Openoffice is not 100% compatible with MS Office.
Unless your a web developer or administrator there is no use for Unix.
Windows is finally fairly stable and the software is there. It also just works. Need to upgrade your programs? Just click setup.exe. No rpm hell, no dealing with portupgrades, no worrying about dependancy problems that even apt-get can run into during a rare occasion.
Have a digital camera or USB printer? Just plug it in and thats it.
Even for some developers Windows is the target audience for the users. ALso VS.NET comes with some nice tools that makes vi look quite outdated. VB is nice and there is no equilivant in Linux besides beta's of vb.mono.
Unless all the OEM manufactors realize that the ms tax is a pain and ship all their desktops with Linux in order to attract commercial software developers than it wont change.
Windows has its benefits because everyone uses it. You can argue until our blue in the face but commercial support or lack of will keep Windows standard for a very long time.
I thought the latest versions of Irix were secure and SGI even had a book and some tools on how to look Irix down?