To be honest Hairy I have not seen 1 positive review for games.
Tomshardware did not totally bash it. It mentioned it as a big improvement and great workhorse CPU.
The Joker did another video here and I made a comment after I noticed something? This was evident in the last game tested but I noticed in Tom Clancy's THe Division cpu utilization was higher on the Intel while lower on the 1st core for Ryzen
"I think I figured out what Ryzen's issue is? Look at the CPU core usage? On the Ryzen the first core has a higher % used while the rest of the cores are less utilized? On the Intel the 1st core has less cpu usage but the rest of Intel;s core are higher utilized? From what I observed: 1. The game is stuck trying to wait for synchronization on the Ryzen or 2. The game has code expecting a previous cpu and over utilizing the threads expecting a slower core IPC and running it like a stream (how the PS3/4 are optimized) Netflix app. It could also mean AMD has inferior synchronization latency or optimizations too while the INtel doesn't slow down when trying to use it's cores. What do you all think?"
So I think AMD is having a bug with synchronization or the game codes assume AMD sucks and overdoes it's threading and replication and lowers the priority of the main CPU core?
It could also just mean it is still inferior to an Intel on per core performance even if much improved:-(
Sorry Hairy, I own an RX 470 and used to be an AMD fan back in the day. Intel has a better CPU for most users and gamers. An i5 4660K from 2014 is much cheaper and so is a newer i5 7600K and performs better for a much cheaper price than AMD. It may make sense at your shop to switch to Intel as you can save money.
If am paying $500 for a damn CPU you bet I expect it to be a 4 core in EVERY benchmark. I have not seen any games that beat Intel. Not one at 720P or 1080P which stress the CPU and not the GPU. I mean even Dues Ex du Mankind divided which is an AMD optimized title is.3% than a cheaper i7 7700K. I will wait back and see.
Intel will not take this sitting down and you bet 8 core i7's will be here next year creaming AMD unless the next Ryzen finds out what is going on and fixes it. Also the ram not being able to past 2600 mhz, only 16 PCI Express lanes, as well as 30 second boots from UEFI show teething pains.
For us liberals who are terrified of Trump it sounds like paradise! I lived in Alaska and miss the nature and beauty but hated the long winters. New Zealand is a rival as that and Antarctica rival the top 3 most amazing places
You have a mild maritime or marine climate. Windy or not you do not know the definition of bad weather. In my lifetime I have lived in Las Vegas as well as Alaska and Florida.
You know that feeling of sticking a hair dryer to your head at the salon? We call that walking outside in Las Vegas in the summer on a nice 112 degree or over 40 if you use Celsius. Now, it gets worse have you imaged what it's like to walk in -40? I do not even have to convert as -40 is the same at both scales (learn something new everyday). All dead and snow and ice for months at a time!
Maritime climates like New Zealand, UK, and Seattle are nice. North New Zealand is subtropical too and close to Wellington. The mild winters or non existent damp ones with a little wind is Paradise if you ask a Yankee who is not from Pacific Northwest
It's so secure written in the professional engineered PHP...
If I could down-vote you I would. I suppose you write all your code in C (not that C++ shit) when you don't have the time to pound it out in machine (with vi, only nubes use anything else). Or are you one of those trendy Ruby On Rails guys - oh, wait, that's old news. But never mind, I assume all your code is revolutionary and bug free...
Of course there has to be a benefit to change. If you're proposing a change and couching it in idiot technobabble, all anyone will hear is "huh, more work for no payoff"
if you can't explain to a non-spergin nerd clearly and succintly why doing a thing different is good, why would you expect anyone to support you?
In my experience it is political. It's insulting to suggest ideas at my last job as it implies incompetence. I got demoted fast and blamed for not making it happen with no support and threatened with termination if it happened again.:-)
Look the people on top have a lot to do and do not appreciate your noise as it implies incompetence. Let the big boys deal with this issue and focus instead on more important things for your job title
It's so secure written in the professional engineered PHP and is known to auto update for folks without I.T. departments and does sanity checks for SQL statements. How could this possibly happen?!
IE 11/Edge may not be safer. I just feel Chrome kind of has an unfair advantage and I dislike the whole concept we have with the way the web works security wise. If you want a pro MS version of this head to www.neowin.net? Trust me, you will be shocked if you feel this site is pro MS haha.
I go to both sites as I want to hear both sides of stories. There are some on neowin.net who do run Linux in the forums, but it is very anti android and pro MS phone and want exciting new.NET technology or Surface will be coming next kind of stories.
Microsoft Edge running under windows is the most secure browser on the planet, Microsoft says so.
As much as it is fashionable to bash MS at this anti MS website I will ask if you think Chrome is any better? It is kind of unfair as of course Google won't disclose it's own bugs.
The problem is anything that executes programs (javascript and flash count even if they are not compiled) from anywhere on an untrusted world wide platform is stupid beyond belief!
Perhaps we can replace javascript once logic can be performed through CSS. Of course at that point I would imagine CSS would then become an attack vector.
I will bash MS on this though, SMB is a security issue (old SMB like in server 2003/XP especially) and I wonder why a browser would use this? Sharepoint integration perhaps from an era of IE 7 when MS was thinking a browser is an operating system? This should be seperated
Unfortunately, IE is far from dead and is mandated by many corporate users and is used by Grandma.
MS needs to secure it as long as it's part of 8/10. Yes IE 11 is part of 10 in addition to edge if you look for it. Corporations use a GPO to put IE 11 over edge at work
That way we can track you with an advertiser ID in a feeble way to sell apps on the appstore and actual think this will get people to buy Windows Phone?
Why fix it? This is great scareware to get PHB IT managers to upgrade and leave perfectly working 7 behind.
If you all want a good laugh you can google them on YouTube? Eric Schmidt is on the one about the new 386 saying how Sun is going to switch to that architecture while showing off News
Speaking of which Nvidia crippled their own drivers on Linux to prevent KVM working properly with power management... Unless you buy the expensive Quadro's of course
Not true. It's like $8 a month and even individuals can use it starting with Windows 10. I am not defending. Just stating MS is making enterprise more readily available
I think most people don't care. 10 years ago I was udderly shocked on here seeing all the hype about smart phones when they were new while bashing Windows. Um, hate to say it but Windows is hell of alot more open and less proprietary than a droid anyway as sad as that sounds. Don't give me the crap about source code either. The fact is carriers lock the shit out of everything.
My point is you all didn't care and bought them anyway
Linux is too popular and destroying openess. Let me tell you about the virtues of FreeBSD the free as in beer OS. Yes you heard Free Beer! We got that. It's time to free yourselves to an OS that respects beer. Linux was great growing up in your youth of mountain dew at college after using your Windows training wheels. Now it's time to graduate to free beer Freebsd like a real middle aged man.
Plus no one uses it so you can impress chicks too on being Uber hip. No Google, SystemD, or any other interests other than DARPA giving you TCP/IP which that and ipf make BSD the still defacto network operating system
Boy you do not want that if you think the open ocean is worse. I purposely refuse to buy fish at the grocery store as it's all 100% from China or Vietnam
six years ago, a group of college students (for class credit) followed a CRT TV (GPS unit embedded ) from recycle bin to its final destination. it was never recycled since the GPS continued to work. they lost the signal after it left San Juan when it was sent outside the USA.
How much do you want to make a bet it landed in the Atlantic Ocean?
It's his job to be in 6 hours a day to be in meetings. Not you which is what seems to happen in an office. Alot of companies love to eliminate that title and have the uses, PMs, IT leadership, and have them interact directly with the programmers instead to cut costs. So you spend 5 to 6 hours talking about what you are going to do with little results. Working from home forces a Sr programmer to be a lead anD go to guy.
Using this title and making him a supervisor will give you the freedom back to do your job. Hey Mike can you do X before Wednesday sorry I promised the client etc? Your answer is to ask Bob the lead?
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To be honest Hairy I have not seen 1 positive review for games.
Tomshardware did not totally bash it. It mentioned it as a big improvement and great workhorse CPU.
The Joker did another video here and I made a comment after I noticed something? This was evident in the last game tested but I noticed in Tom Clancy's THe Division cpu utilization was higher on the Intel while lower on the 1st core for Ryzen
"I think I figured out what Ryzen's issue is? Look at the CPU core usage? On the Ryzen the first core has a higher % used while the rest of the cores are less utilized? On the Intel the 1st core has less cpu usage but the rest of Intel;s core are higher utilized? From what I observed:
1. The game is stuck trying to wait for synchronization on the Ryzen or
2. The game has code expecting a previous cpu and over utilizing the threads expecting a slower core IPC and running it like a stream (how the PS3/4 are optimized) Netflix app.
It could also mean AMD has inferior synchronization latency or optimizations too while the INtel doesn't slow down when trying to use it's cores. What do you all think?"
So I think AMD is having a bug with synchronization or the game codes assume AMD sucks and overdoes it's threading and replication and lowers the priority of the main CPU core?
It could also just mean it is still inferior to an Intel on per core performance even if much improved :-(
Sorry Hairy, I own an RX 470 and used to be an AMD fan back in the day. Intel has a better CPU for most users and gamers. An i5 4660K from 2014 is much cheaper and so is a newer i5 7600K and performs better for a much cheaper price than AMD. It may make sense at your shop to switch to Intel as you can save money.
If am paying $500 for a damn CPU you bet I expect it to be a 4 core in EVERY benchmark. I have not seen any games that beat Intel. Not one at 720P or 1080P which stress the CPU and not the GPU. I mean even Dues Ex du Mankind divided which is an AMD optimized title is .3% than a cheaper i7 7700K. I will wait back and see.
Intel will not take this sitting down and you bet 8 core i7's will be here next year creaming AMD unless the next Ryzen finds out what is going on and fixes it. Also the ram not being able to past 2600 mhz, only 16 PCI Express lanes, as well as 30 second boots from UEFI show teething pains.
For us liberals who are terrified of Trump it sounds like paradise! I lived in Alaska and miss the nature and beauty but hated the long winters. New Zealand is a rival as that and Antarctica rival the top 3 most amazing places
Dude
You have a mild maritime or marine climate. Windy or not you do not know the definition of bad weather. In my lifetime I have lived in Las Vegas as well as Alaska and Florida.
You know that feeling of sticking a hair dryer to your head at the salon? We call that walking outside in Las Vegas in the summer on a nice 112 degree or over 40 if you use Celsius. Now, it gets worse have you imaged what it's like to walk in -40? I do not even have to convert as -40 is the same at both scales (learn something new everyday). All dead and snow and ice for months at a time!
Maritime climates like New Zealand, UK, and Seattle are nice. North New Zealand is subtropical too and close to Wellington. The mild winters or non existent damp ones with a little wind is Paradise if you ask a Yankee who is not from Pacific Northwest
It's so secure written in the professional engineered PHP...
If I could down-vote you I would. I suppose you write all your code in C (not that C++ shit) when you don't have the time to pound it out in machine (with vi, only nubes use anything else). Or are you one of those trendy Ruby On Rails guys - oh, wait, that's old news. But never mind, I assume all your code is revolutionary and bug free...
Absolutely. I use Erlang Outlaw Techno Psychobitch like all the cool kids
Of course there has to be a benefit to change. If you're proposing a change and couching it in idiot technobabble, all anyone will hear is "huh, more work for no payoff"
if you can't explain to a non-spergin nerd clearly and succintly why doing a thing different is good, why would you expect anyone to support you?
In my experience it is political. It's insulting to suggest ideas at my last job as it implies incompetence. I got demoted fast and blamed for not making it happen with no support and threatened with termination if it happened again. :-)
Look the people on top have a lot to do and do not appreciate your noise as it implies incompetence. Let the big boys deal with this issue and focus instead on more important things for your job title
It's so secure written in the professional engineered PHP and is known to auto update for folks without I.T. departments and does sanity checks for SQL statements. How could this possibly happen?!
IE 11/Edge may not be safer. I just feel Chrome kind of has an unfair advantage and I dislike the whole concept we have with the way the web works security wise. If you want a pro MS version of this head to www.neowin.net? Trust me, you will be shocked if you feel this site is pro MS haha.
I go to both sites as I want to hear both sides of stories. There are some on neowin.net who do run Linux in the forums, but it is very anti android and pro MS phone and want exciting new .NET technology or Surface will be coming next kind of stories.
Microsoft Edge running under windows is the most secure browser on the planet, Microsoft says so.
As much as it is fashionable to bash MS at this anti MS website I will ask if you think Chrome is any better? It is kind of unfair as of course Google won't disclose it's own bugs.
The problem is anything that executes programs (javascript and flash count even if they are not compiled) from anywhere on an untrusted world wide platform is stupid beyond belief!
Perhaps we can replace javascript once logic can be performed through CSS. Of course at that point I would imagine CSS would then become an attack vector.
I will bash MS on this though, SMB is a security issue (old SMB like in server 2003/XP especially) and I wonder why a browser would use this? Sharepoint integration perhaps from an era of IE 7 when MS was thinking a browser is an operating system? This should be seperated
Unfortunately, IE is far from dead and is mandated by many corporate users and is used by Grandma.
MS needs to secure it as long as it's part of 8/10. Yes IE 11 is part of 10 in addition to edge if you look for it. Corporations use a GPO to put IE 11 over edge at work
That way we can track you with an advertiser ID in a feeble way to sell apps on the appstore and actual think this will get people to buy Windows Phone?
Why fix it? This is great scareware to get PHB IT managers to upgrade and leave perfectly working 7 behind.
A log in the house will do
If you all want a good laugh you can google them on YouTube? Eric Schmidt is on the one about the new 386 saying how Sun is going to switch to that architecture while showing off News
Speaking of which Nvidia crippled their own drivers on Linux to prevent KVM working properly with power management ... Unless you buy the expensive Quadro's of course
Not true. It's like $8 a month and even individuals can use it starting with Windows 10. I am not defending. Just stating MS is making enterprise more readily available
The community where it's so called pronounced GNU/Linux. That one is quite sizable
I think most people don't care. 10 years ago I was udderly shocked on here seeing all the hype about smart phones when they were new while bashing Windows. Um, hate to say it but Windows is hell of alot more open and less proprietary than a droid anyway as sad as that sounds. Don't give me the crap about source code either. The fact is carriers lock the shit out of everything.
My point is you all didn't care and bought them anyway
Linux is too popular and destroying openess. Let me tell you about the virtues of FreeBSD the free as in beer OS. Yes you heard Free Beer! We got that. It's time to free yourselves to an OS that respects beer. Linux was great growing up in your youth of mountain dew at college after using your Windows training wheels. Now it's time to graduate to free beer Freebsd like a real middle aged man.
Plus no one uses it so you can impress chicks too on being Uber hip. No Google, SystemD, or any other interests other than DARPA giving you TCP/IP which that and ipf make BSD the still defacto network operating system
Boy you do not want that if you think the open ocean is worse. I purposely refuse to buy fish at the grocery store as it's all 100% from China or Vietnam
Spam spam spam spam
It seems that is the only kernel everyone and their brother uses these days and no SystemD dependencies seems to be a big factor
six years ago, a group of college students (for class credit) followed a CRT TV (GPS unit embedded ) from recycle bin to its final destination. it was never recycled
since the GPS continued to work. they lost the signal after it left San Juan when it was sent outside the USA.
How much do you want to make a bet it landed in the Atlantic Ocean?
Apparently you never programmed with the MFC or used win32 with com/dcom :-)
Javascript is roses in comparison to get anything done
Maybe because the ones at work sit in meetings for half the day so the productivity was about the same.
It's his job to be in 6 hours a day to be in meetings. Not you which is what seems to happen in an office. Alot of companies love to eliminate that title and have the uses, PMs, IT leadership, and have them interact directly with the programmers instead to cut costs. So you spend 5 to 6 hours talking about what you are going to do with little results. Working from home forces a Sr programmer to be a lead anD go to guy.
Using this title and making him a supervisor will give you the freedom back to do your job. Hey Mike can you do X before Wednesday sorry I promised the client etc? Your answer is to ask Bob the lead?