Yes, it could be an infinite number, but the problem isn't "what was the prime creator" the problem is, is there a creator of our universe. It could be three creators deep before we reach the true original universe that just is. Atheists do assert there is no God, a God would exist outside the universe, therefore, they are guessing at things that are outside the universe.
You insisted that this universe can't come out of nowhere.
Once again, no I did not. I refuted this explicitly, only to have you come back with the same point again? And you use this to insist on imposing a fallacy on me that I didn't ever instigate, you did. I didn't say it requires one, I said it could have one. I gave two options and advocated for agnosticism, the position where you believe the correctness of either option is unknowable, and you're saying I am insisting on one of them. Outrageous, sir! Positively outrageous!
And the universe very well could be a brain in a jar, we all could be. But seeing as how our universe is consistent we don't need to conjecture about the nature of anything inside of it since we can observe it. Atheists conjecture about what is outside the universe as much as theists, and agnostics do not, which is what makes them logical.
Why do you read in to what I said things which I did not say?
but to say without a doubt that there is nothing that created the universe is absurd,
You've just replaced one absurdity wit an even larger one. What created whatever is outside our universe? What created its creator? I think you may have postulated an infinete number of recursive creators, which I must say I do find rather absurd.
How do you figure? I never implied the creator must have a creator. You're saying its ok to say there is only one layer of existence (our universe) but any more than that and there must be infinite? It's perfectly logical in your mind to say the universe has existed since the big bang, and there is no God (not a christian God, just any kind of God, something outside of our space and time or our Universe if you will) with certainty, but the suggestion of "maybe something did create us, we can never know" implies that everything has a creator, even the creator that created our universe? You made a huge logical leap there that wasn't in my original post. I didn't say the universe had to come from something, I said it could be from something or nothing, and we can't tell because our universe is all we can interact with.
If there is another universe that contains this one, like a virtualized machine running on a physical box, we CAN NOT KNOW. Asserting you do know FOR SURE is not logically sound, so if you are going to argue that way, you can't argue from a position of logic, you have to be arguing from a position of faith. Agnostics are the only logical ones, and I wish atheists would realize this.
Well I said it either came from nothing, or something. I don't know why you read that as "it must have come from something" since I gave the alternative of nothing right before the option of something. Is there something other than nothing and something I am missing?
What a ridiculous thing to say. People like you make atheists sound as stupid as fundamentalists make christians sound. The fact is the universe either came from nothing or came from something else outside of the universe, and as we are inside the universe it is rather impossible to tell which of those things it is. You may not believe in the Christian God specifically, but to say without a doubt that there is nothing that created the universe is absurd, and to assert that there is no entity outside of our universe that can interact with it is further ridiculous. The tooth fairy on the other hand is easy to resolve as we know what happened to the teeth, as teeth are not the bounds of every interaction we can possibly have.
Women are the prime source of child-babying, leading to ridiculous punishments for things that used to be considered part of being a kid. However, it was also a joke in that obviously women's rights aren't the issue, it just comes from that segment of the population, fueled on by an overly litigious culture. "Think of the children" is used in an honest way most often from women. The connection between them and the babying that goes on in schools shouldn't be denied. They throw a big stink when it comes to minor incidents at school; I've seen them do it much more often than men.
About now you're probably thinking I'm sexist, and that's ok with me.
What are you talking about? I have no problem hooking my xbox up to anything I want, including in to my video capture card running on Windows 7. I have used my windows seven based machine with several of my TVs and never had a problem... Are you sure you aren't doing something wacky?
There are tons of competing technologies for SMS that do the same thing and are free. Use them instead, it's not a matter of which carriers to text on, it's which carriers, and SMS or IM or email or a billion other ways to send small messages to a specific person.
Does falling only apply to movement toward the Earth now? Can you not fall on the moon? Can the earth not fall toward the sun? Can a probe not fall toward the sun and hit an asteroid?
Can you not say that however high something is is its distance along the normal of the object you are measuring relative to?
It may have amused you, but I think it's correct usage for both words.
Meanwhile, other people will actually ship on time and within their budget by not being a moron who thinks the only thing important in development is computational efficiency.
There are ways to go about it peacefully without ever risking war. I'm not saying I support a civil war, I'm saying I support everybody getting together and breaking up the union. You're kind of a dick, you know that?
The actor in the story is not willing to kill his son for an imaginary friend, he's willing to kill his son for a real presence speaking directly to him. Do the fictional works of any author that make a philosophical point all equate to imaginary friends dictating philosophy? No, no they do not. Use some logic when attacking religion, isn't it the only thing you can claim you have over it? Well... logic and fun.
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People wasted mod points on your serious response to an obvious troll? How can you read what he says and not realize that he is a troll? Actually, I tend to think of him as a hilarious satire of a chiropractor. Just look at his posting history. Some of it is pretty funny.
Why shit in a toilet when a hole in the ground would suffice? Are you being serious right now? Because they're making a fucking game and they're making it the way they want to make it. Why is WoW online only? Why do racing games have time trials? Why did Quake II have single player modes? Becuase that's what the company decided to do.
Now on the other hand a good reason to do single player in Diablo 3 is because maybe you just don't want other people in the game. Characters at different points in the timeline might affect the presentation of the world. Shut up, nutsack.
DId it ever occur to you that the people who don't know the risks of facebook are about to be informed by a lesson from anonymous, thus undermining faith in the network?
So issue a new declaration of independence. I wasn't suggesting the states just give the federal government the silent treatment and stop paying taxes. I'm sure a state that seceded would certainly declare it and along with that declaration list the grievances. And I'm sure before that there would be a vote within the state.
Haha, I forgot that was you who told me to do that.
My point is that the hardcore crowd isn't targeted by the people who will go to mobile for more money. We may lose the jaw-dropping visuals of Battlefield 3, but we might actually gain back depth of gameplay as the casual people get out of the console market, and the games for consoles and PC will appeal to both the moderate and hardcore and land somewhere between. I don't know, just a theory.
Shovelware doesn't mean not profitable. A fiftieth expansion for the sims is profitable, but not really valuable to the game community that would lament the loss of PC gaming. A lot of the good games come from game developers who really do know what is good and what isn't, and it is their passion. Lack of publisher support isn't going to change that, and the good devs don't go in to the game business to get rich. That's the business. The business that makes games the hardcore crowd don't like.
Well something like picketing, boycotting, writing letters, organizing a sit-in, non-violent disobedience, or as Hognoxious said they could volunteer to try to help their cause. Youth unemployment is too high? Try to find out why that is, and campaign for the changes they think will help. Clearly they don't know what will help so they've resorted to burning things.
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Yes, it could be an infinite number, but the problem isn't "what was the prime creator" the problem is, is there a creator of our universe. It could be three creators deep before we reach the true original universe that just is. Atheists do assert there is no God, a God would exist outside the universe, therefore, they are guessing at things that are outside the universe.
You insisted that this universe can't come out of nowhere.
Once again, no I did not. I refuted this explicitly, only to have you come back with the same point again? And you use this to insist on imposing a fallacy on me that I didn't ever instigate, you did. I didn't say it requires one, I said it could have one. I gave two options and advocated for agnosticism, the position where you believe the correctness of either option is unknowable, and you're saying I am insisting on one of them. Outrageous, sir! Positively outrageous!
And the universe very well could be a brain in a jar, we all could be. But seeing as how our universe is consistent we don't need to conjecture about the nature of anything inside of it since we can observe it. Atheists conjecture about what is outside the universe as much as theists, and agnostics do not, which is what makes them logical.
but to say without a doubt that there is nothing that created the universe is absurd,
You've just replaced one absurdity wit an even larger one. What created whatever is outside our universe? What created its creator? I think you may have postulated an infinete number of recursive creators, which I must say I do find rather absurd.
How do you figure? I never implied the creator must have a creator. You're saying its ok to say there is only one layer of existence (our universe) but any more than that and there must be infinite? It's perfectly logical in your mind to say the universe has existed since the big bang, and there is no God (not a christian God, just any kind of God, something outside of our space and time or our Universe if you will) with certainty, but the suggestion of "maybe something did create us, we can never know" implies that everything has a creator, even the creator that created our universe? You made a huge logical leap there that wasn't in my original post. I didn't say the universe had to come from something, I said it could be from something or nothing, and we can't tell because our universe is all we can interact with.
If there is another universe that contains this one, like a virtualized machine running on a physical box, we CAN NOT KNOW. Asserting you do know FOR SURE is not logically sound, so if you are going to argue that way, you can't argue from a position of logic, you have to be arguing from a position of faith. Agnostics are the only logical ones, and I wish atheists would realize this.
Well I said it either came from nothing, or something. I don't know why you read that as "it must have come from something" since I gave the alternative of nothing right before the option of something. Is there something other than nothing and something I am missing?
What a ridiculous thing to say. People like you make atheists sound as stupid as fundamentalists make christians sound. The fact is the universe either came from nothing or came from something else outside of the universe, and as we are inside the universe it is rather impossible to tell which of those things it is. You may not believe in the Christian God specifically, but to say without a doubt that there is nothing that created the universe is absurd, and to assert that there is no entity outside of our universe that can interact with it is further ridiculous. The tooth fairy on the other hand is easy to resolve as we know what happened to the teeth, as teeth are not the bounds of every interaction we can possibly have.
Women are the prime source of child-babying, leading to ridiculous punishments for things that used to be considered part of being a kid. However, it was also a joke in that obviously women's rights aren't the issue, it just comes from that segment of the population, fueled on by an overly litigious culture. "Think of the children" is used in an honest way most often from women. The connection between them and the babying that goes on in schools shouldn't be denied. They throw a big stink when it comes to minor incidents at school; I've seen them do it much more often than men.
About now you're probably thinking I'm sexist, and that's ok with me.
I don't think it's conservatives, nor do I find it constructive to say that it is. Let's call this what it is: women's rights.
Oh, so you mean you're using HDMI out. I use DVI or component to capture.
What are you talking about? I have no problem hooking my xbox up to anything I want, including in to my video capture card running on Windows 7. I have used my windows seven based machine with several of my TVs and never had a problem... Are you sure you aren't doing something wacky?
There are tons of competing technologies for SMS that do the same thing and are free. Use them instead, it's not a matter of which carriers to text on, it's which carriers, and SMS or IM or email or a billion other ways to send small messages to a specific person.
Does falling only apply to movement toward the Earth now? Can you not fall on the moon? Can the earth not fall toward the sun? Can a probe not fall toward the sun and hit an asteroid?
Can you not say that however high something is is its distance along the normal of the object you are measuring relative to?
It may have amused you, but I think it's correct usage for both words.
Meanwhile, other people will actually ship on time and within their budget by not being a moron who thinks the only thing important in development is computational efficiency.
I think 3 and 4 are flipped. Interstellar latency is not really a connection. It's the pony express.
Damn girl, you got it.
There are ways to go about it peacefully without ever risking war. I'm not saying I support a civil war, I'm saying I support everybody getting together and breaking up the union. You're kind of a dick, you know that?
The actor in the story is not willing to kill his son for an imaginary friend, he's willing to kill his son for a real presence speaking directly to him. Do the fictional works of any author that make a philosophical point all equate to imaginary friends dictating philosophy? No, no they do not. Use some logic when attacking religion, isn't it the only thing you can claim you have over it? Well... logic and fun.
People wasted mod points on your serious response to an obvious troll? How can you read what he says and not realize that he is a troll? Actually, I tend to think of him as a hilarious satire of a chiropractor. Just look at his posting history. Some of it is pretty funny.
Why shit in a toilet when a hole in the ground would suffice? Are you being serious right now? Because they're making a fucking game and they're making it the way they want to make it. Why is WoW online only? Why do racing games have time trials? Why did Quake II have single player modes? Becuase that's what the company decided to do.
Now on the other hand a good reason to do single player in Diablo 3 is because maybe you just don't want other people in the game. Characters at different points in the timeline might affect the presentation of the world. Shut up, nutsack.
I believe it has happened twice with the outcomes at extremes on the good/bad scale. One more time, for the rub?
DId it ever occur to you that the people who don't know the risks of facebook are about to be informed by a lesson from anonymous, thus undermining faith in the network?
So issue a new declaration of independence. I wasn't suggesting the states just give the federal government the silent treatment and stop paying taxes. I'm sure a state that seceded would certainly declare it and along with that declaration list the grievances. And I'm sure before that there would be a vote within the state.
Haha, I forgot that was you who told me to do that.
My point is that the hardcore crowd isn't targeted by the people who will go to mobile for more money. We may lose the jaw-dropping visuals of Battlefield 3, but we might actually gain back depth of gameplay as the casual people get out of the console market, and the games for consoles and PC will appeal to both the moderate and hardcore and land somewhere between. I don't know, just a theory.
So England is hopeless, then?
Shovelware doesn't mean not profitable. A fiftieth expansion for the sims is profitable, but not really valuable to the game community that would lament the loss of PC gaming. A lot of the good games come from game developers who really do know what is good and what isn't, and it is their passion. Lack of publisher support isn't going to change that, and the good devs don't go in to the game business to get rich. That's the business. The business that makes games the hardcore crowd don't like.
Well something like picketing, boycotting, writing letters, organizing a sit-in, non-violent disobedience, or as Hognoxious said they could volunteer to try to help their cause. Youth unemployment is too high? Try to find out why that is, and campaign for the changes they think will help. Clearly they don't know what will help so they've resorted to burning things.