Off-topic? Not really. But I think a "troll" mod is somewhat justified, based on his phrasing and self-admitted lack of experience. Attitude, sir. I think my response to his response covers it all. You are free to disagree.
The difference here is that your comments are deliberately confrontational. If you offered calm, rational opinions and made clear and cogent points in support of them, that would be one thing. But you offer your opinions as being self-evidently superior to those of others and pre-emptively dismiss any dissenting opinions as being "zealotry." You repeat tired and outdated mantras like the "one-button mouse" thing as if they were the nail in the coffin of OS X - I use a three-button mouse with scroll on my PowerBook all the time. Works like it ought to. Nobody requires you to use a one-button mouse under OS X, and even Apple sell a multi-button mouse now. I don't know any OS X users who primarily use a one-button mouse. You yourself say that you only use OS X occasionally, which suggests rather strongly that your dislikes are more a matter of "difference" instead of "inferiority."
As it happens, I also have a nice Athlon64 system running Linux in the next room. It works really well. Fast, stable, etc. The thing I like in my Xorg gui that I miss most in OS X is middle-button paste. But of course, Windows doesn't have that either. I've got a Windows XP system sitting right next to the Athlon64 - and the only thing installed on it is Civ IV. I've used Windows since the 2.x days, and I've had Win 3.0, 3.11, 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, and Windows XP systems on my desktop (skipped ME and 2000). I've also got a laptop with XP. I had my first Unix computer at home in the early 80's, and I've used Linux as my primary OS since 1999. I got this PowerBook in February of this year. I also have a couple of IRIX systems sitting in a closet. Does that somehow make me a zealot? No. But it does make me informed and experienced.
The difference isn't which side we're on, the difference is how we present our positions. Your approach is to attack anyone who disagrees with you FOR disagreeing with you, before they even get a chance to hear your point. In other words, you sound like you're out to stir up shit, not to have a discussion. Honestly, opening a discussion with "The current Mac GUI stinks" IS a troll. The clear implication is that anyone who likes the OS X GUI must be a self-deluding idiot. It's an insult; indirect, but an insult nonetheless. Is it really a surprise when people respond in kind?
There's nothing impossible about discussing negative opinions of Apple on Slashdot - you're doing it now. What you appear to want is to discuss Apple negatively without being modded troll. That can be done as well, but it requires a more calm and non-confrontational approach to your phrasing. You could say, e.g., "the current Mac GUI doesn't do what I want," or, "In my opinion, the current Mac GUI isn't as functional as Win XP's (or X11 with Windowmaker, or E17, or whatever it is that you like)," and then provide examples and support - and then any troll mods would be unjustified. You might still get them, but not as many and then your zealotry accusations would have some meat to 'em. As it is, people aren't modding your opinion "troll". People are modding your attitude "troll". That's because you sound like a troll. It's really pretty simple. Are you maintaining the position that you simply wanted a discussion of OS X, pros and cons? Or are you ready to admit that you wanted to annoy OS X users who read Slashdot?
BTW, what's wrong with talking about AMD? Apparently you believe that it's obvious what will happen to you if you voice the obviously-correct opinion about AMD, but honestly I have no idea what is obvious or what will happen. Care to enlighten me?
Err... because it's a Mac, is faster than a G4 Mac, but still runs OS X? I *like* OS X, but that's not what "zealot" means. Nor does "zealot" mean "someone who disagrees with Nagora." "Zealot" means "A person who is fanatical and uncompromising in their religious, political, or other ideals." Interestingly, you and I can be on opposite sides of the "Is OS X better than Windows?" question and still both be right. Those are "opinions", you see. To each cat his own rat, and all that.
Oh, and here's another definition for you: "Troll: 2) Informal computing. A message or posting on the internet designed to provoke an indignant response in the reader." My opinion is that you got downmodded, not by zealots, but for posting a troll. HAND.
Did it at our Halloween party one year (I was Dorothy). People who remembered the next day said there were some interesting things, but nothing astonishing. I don't remember any of it.
Ah, but to be fair - a 283 IS a standard displacement for a Chevy smallblock V8. Stock mill in 57 Chevys, lots of late 50's/early 60's Vettes, etc. And, since a 454 is a standard displacement for a big block Chevy V8, it's a bit more of an apples-to-apples comparison if we give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that 283 was intentional but that V6 was typoed and should have been V8.
Offtopic, perhaps an urban legend: When asked why they had enlarged the 427 to get 454 cubes, Chevy engineers are said to have replied that they achieved a useful weight savings. I don't think they expected anyone to believe them. IIRC, the 454 was introduced in (among others) the 1970 Corvette, going from the 427's rated 435HP (in the vette) to a rated 460HP in the 454 vette. Of course, before 1972, HP numbers were a bit... shall we say, optimistic?
Here's how it's different: a $250K car or a diamond necklace WILL get you laid. You might not want to marry him/her, but you can definitely score. And I don't mean points.
Nope. They don't go away. But when the first RPG explodes in a passenger cabin and you're prevented by international law from having the sort of heavy weapons that the situation calls for, the ethical question becomes fairly simple and straightforward - something like "if you get the opportunity for a kill, do you leave enough remains for the family to bury?" Whether or not to deploy any weapons you might have simply isn't a question.
This is in stark contradiction to the case of using sonic weapons for crowd control at the 2004 Republican national convention, in which case the ethical question is, "Do Republican politicians know what the word 'ethical' means?"
Your experience with Pages differs significantly from mine. I can't explain why. I don't think the experience you've described is typical or representative.
Oh, yeah. Saw the director's cut of "The Devil in Mr. Ed" last night, followed by "Mr. Ed Does Lassie." Good times, good times.
I'm REALLY looking forward to the extended HPC version of "Animal Farm." I hear the alternate ending for "Seabiscuit" is really worth wading through the first part of the movie - of course, it's a DVR and you can just FFWD to the good parts.
Of course, the grandparent poster meant peer-reviewed scientific journals. Proof, in this case, means based on observed fact, not based on a chain of abstract logic symbols. Sorry for the confusion.
Sounds like you have a more rational position on the matter than other ID proponents. It's true that evolution as a process is much better understood (and supported with observed fact) than scientific theories of the origins of life, although it isn't true that no such theories exist or that science cannot "speak to" them. This in no way serves to make creationism in any way scientific, though, and as such creationism has no place in a science classroom - even when thinly disguised as ID.
Fair enough. I don't have a TiVo, I have the DVR the cable company offers - which sucks ass in so many ways, but at least works directly with the cable signal and has dual tuners (oh, and records HD. PHAT!). So I didn't know that TiVo offered that through their website. Nice.
It's no longer as critical for speed, no. GaAs still outshines Si (and SiGe!) for low-noise performance at really high frequencies, though. InP semicondcuctors have LN at HF, too - but it's actually InGaAs on an InP substrate. But without asking the grandparent to earn a graduate degree in EE with emphasis on physical electronics, I thought perhaps I'd just explain the joke in the form in which I've most commonly seen it.
How will Yahoo know to send the info to MY TiVo? Will there be a mechanism in place to prevent me from sending record instructions to someone else's TiVo? Most importantly, can I get around those restrictions?
I mean, I wouldn't WANT to set my buddy's TiVo to fill up its 80 hours with The Horse Porn Channel, but it might at some point become necessary...:-)
Ahhh, you're ALL a bunch of pussies! 2.35:1 ain't widescreen! I want REAL widescreen!! ONE SINGLE ROW OF PIXELS, ALL THE WAY THE FUCK AROUND THE ROOM!!
Oops. Sorry. Note to self: no posting on Friday night.
Yeah, but (no offense to Schwartz, I like the guy) but can you really see Schwartz designing a new communications modulation system? Ken O, maybe, or some of the people in John Harris's research group.
Dude, I was just thinking about that EXACT storyline. Wonder which of us will patent it first? Hey, and then we can sue the dude that actually does it! I love this.
"Anyway I just wanted to point out that people complaining about linux fonts are not always retards and whiners."
True. But what this guy is complaining about is (apparently) how OpenOffice looks in Linux. I can understand how he might be confused and think, "Hey, OO.o looks good on Winders and looks like ass on Linux, must be because Lunix looks like ass!" but in fact it isn't that simple. That's not a linux problem, that's an OO.o problem. I have the same problem - on OO.o. Elsewhere, Linux fonts DO "look fine to me". I have Windows XP, OS X, and Linux boxes here in the office, and I don't see any way in which Linux fonts look inferior. Then again, maybe it's because I don't have any weird-assed Dell monitors. Dunno.
I wouldn't think the guy deserved a "Troll" mod, but we don't have a "Doesn't understand the problem" mod to give him. How are we supposed to mod a guy who says things that directly contradict our experience, and says it in a contentious way? Trolls certainly do that, and we certainly have trolls around here, and it's not as if Linux fonts are a topic no troll has ever explored... how do we differentiate between trolls and the merely ignorant (and I mean that in the nicest possible, non-judgmental way)? This is getting off-topic, but I think it's a legitimate issue that/. needs to deal with.
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Nuh-UH! What about... a Nerf(TM) football? Or an iBrator? Even an evil Master Ninja couldn't focus on being deadly while holding an iBrator, could he?
Off-topic? Not really. But I think a "troll" mod is somewhat justified, based on his phrasing and self-admitted lack of experience. Attitude, sir. I think my response to his response covers it all. You are free to disagree.
The difference here is that your comments are deliberately confrontational. If you offered calm, rational opinions and made clear and cogent points in support of them, that would be one thing. But you offer your opinions as being self-evidently superior to those of others and pre-emptively dismiss any dissenting opinions as being "zealotry." You repeat tired and outdated mantras like the "one-button mouse" thing as if they were the nail in the coffin of OS X - I use a three-button mouse with scroll on my PowerBook all the time. Works like it ought to. Nobody requires you to use a one-button mouse under OS X, and even Apple sell a multi-button mouse now. I don't know any OS X users who primarily use a one-button mouse. You yourself say that you only use OS X occasionally, which suggests rather strongly that your dislikes are more a matter of "difference" instead of "inferiority."
As it happens, I also have a nice Athlon64 system running Linux in the next room. It works really well. Fast, stable, etc. The thing I like in my Xorg gui that I miss most in OS X is middle-button paste. But of course, Windows doesn't have that either. I've got a Windows XP system sitting right next to the Athlon64 - and the only thing installed on it is Civ IV. I've used Windows since the 2.x days, and I've had Win 3.0, 3.11, 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, and Windows XP systems on my desktop (skipped ME and 2000). I've also got a laptop with XP. I had my first Unix computer at home in the early 80's, and I've used Linux as my primary OS since 1999. I got this PowerBook in February of this year. I also have a couple of IRIX systems sitting in a closet. Does that somehow make me a zealot? No. But it does make me informed and experienced.
The difference isn't which side we're on, the difference is how we present our positions. Your approach is to attack anyone who disagrees with you FOR disagreeing with you, before they even get a chance to hear your point. In other words, you sound like you're out to stir up shit, not to have a discussion. Honestly, opening a discussion with "The current Mac GUI stinks" IS a troll. The clear implication is that anyone who likes the OS X GUI must be a self-deluding idiot. It's an insult; indirect, but an insult nonetheless. Is it really a surprise when people respond in kind?
There's nothing impossible about discussing negative opinions of Apple on Slashdot - you're doing it now. What you appear to want is to discuss Apple negatively without being modded troll. That can be done as well, but it requires a more calm and non-confrontational approach to your phrasing. You could say, e.g., "the current Mac GUI doesn't do what I want," or, "In my opinion, the current Mac GUI isn't as functional as Win XP's (or X11 with Windowmaker, or E17, or whatever it is that you like)," and then provide examples and support - and then any troll mods would be unjustified. You might still get them, but not as many and then your zealotry accusations would have some meat to 'em. As it is, people aren't modding your opinion "troll". People are modding your attitude "troll". That's because you sound like a troll. It's really pretty simple. Are you maintaining the position that you simply wanted a discussion of OS X, pros and cons? Or are you ready to admit that you wanted to annoy OS X users who read Slashdot?
BTW, what's wrong with talking about AMD? Apparently you believe that it's obvious what will happen to you if you voice the obviously-correct opinion about AMD, but honestly I have no idea what is obvious or what will happen. Care to enlighten me?
"Why buy an Intel Mac?"
Err... because it's a Mac, is faster than a G4 Mac, but still runs OS X? I *like* OS X, but that's not what "zealot" means. Nor does "zealot" mean "someone who disagrees with Nagora." "Zealot" means "A person who is fanatical and uncompromising in their religious, political, or other ideals." Interestingly, you and I can be on opposite sides of the "Is OS X better than Windows?" question and still both be right. Those are "opinions", you see. To each cat his own rat, and all that.
Oh, and here's another definition for you: "Troll: 2) Informal computing. A message or posting on the internet designed to provoke an indignant response in the reader." My opinion is that you got downmodded, not by zealots, but for posting a troll. HAND.
That would be the "as powerful" part.
Did it at our Halloween party one year (I was Dorothy). People who remembered the next day said there were some interesting things, but nothing astonishing. I don't remember any of it.
Ah, but to be fair - a 283 IS a standard displacement for a Chevy smallblock V8. Stock mill in 57 Chevys, lots of late 50's/early 60's Vettes, etc. And, since a 454 is a standard displacement for a big block Chevy V8, it's a bit more of an apples-to-apples comparison if we give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that 283 was intentional but that V6 was typoed and should have been V8.
Offtopic, perhaps an urban legend: When asked why they had enlarged the 427 to get 454 cubes, Chevy engineers are said to have replied that they achieved a useful weight savings. I don't think they expected anyone to believe them. IIRC, the 454 was introduced in (among others) the 1970 Corvette, going from the 427's rated 435HP (in the vette) to a rated 460HP in the 454 vette. Of course, before 1972, HP numbers were a bit... shall we say, optimistic?
Here's how it's different: a $250K car or a diamond necklace WILL get you laid. You might not want to marry him/her, but you can definitely score. And I don't mean points.
Nope. They don't go away. But when the first RPG explodes in a passenger cabin and you're prevented by international law from having the sort of heavy weapons that the situation calls for, the ethical question becomes fairly simple and straightforward - something like "if you get the opportunity for a kill, do you leave enough remains for the family to bury?" Whether or not to deploy any weapons you might have simply isn't a question.
This is in stark contradiction to the case of using sonic weapons for crowd control at the 2004 Republican national convention, in which case the ethical question is, "Do Republican politicians know what the word 'ethical' means?"
Your experience with Pages differs significantly from mine. I can't explain why. I don't think the experience you've described is typical or representative.
Oh, yeah. Saw the director's cut of "The Devil in Mr. Ed" last night, followed by "Mr. Ed Does Lassie." Good times, good times.
I'm REALLY looking forward to the extended HPC version of "Animal Farm." I hear the alternate ending for "Seabiscuit" is really worth wading through the first part of the movie - of course, it's a DVR and you can just FFWD to the good parts.
Of course, the grandparent poster meant peer-reviewed scientific journals. Proof, in this case, means based on observed fact, not based on a chain of abstract logic symbols. Sorry for the confusion.
Sounds like you have a more rational position on the matter than other ID proponents. It's true that evolution as a process is much better understood (and supported with observed fact) than scientific theories of the origins of life, although it isn't true that no such theories exist or that science cannot "speak to" them. This in no way serves to make creationism in any way scientific, though, and as such creationism has no place in a science classroom - even when thinly disguised as ID.
Fair enough. I don't have a TiVo, I have the DVR the cable company offers - which sucks ass in so many ways, but at least works directly with the cable signal and has dual tuners (oh, and records HD. PHAT!). So I didn't know that TiVo offered that through their website. Nice.
It's no longer as critical for speed, no. GaAs still outshines Si (and SiGe!) for low-noise performance at really high frequencies, though. InP semicondcuctors have LN at HF, too - but it's actually InGaAs on an InP substrate. But without asking the grandparent to earn a graduate degree in EE with emphasis on physical electronics, I thought perhaps I'd just explain the joke in the form in which I've most commonly seen it.
How will Yahoo know to send the info to MY TiVo? Will there be a mechanism in place to prevent me from sending record instructions to someone else's TiVo? Most importantly, can I get around those restrictions?
:-)
I mean, I wouldn't WANT to set my buddy's TiVo to fill up its 80 hours with The Horse Porn Channel, but it might at some point become necessary...
No, no. GaAs semiconductors are the future of electronics, and always will be.
Put another way, widespread adoption of GaAs is 5 years away - and always will be.
It's funny, to people who understand physical electronics. Kinda like the "10 kinds of people..." joke is to people who understand binary.
1) It's not that easy.
2) If you can think of a cheap, easy way to do it - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. kthxbye
3) See #1.
Thank you for saying what I wanted to say.
Ahhh, you're ALL a bunch of pussies! 2.35:1 ain't widescreen! I want REAL widescreen!! ONE SINGLE ROW OF PIXELS, ALL THE WAY THE FUCK AROUND THE ROOM!!
Oops. Sorry. Note to self: no posting on Friday night.
Either you really misunderstood GP post, or I *really* misunderstood your sarcasm.
" testicle could take up as many pixels as your webcam!
Hell, goatse could hold an entire HDTV image - or two! [shudders] Eww... I think I grossed my _self_ out!
Yeah, but (no offense to Schwartz, I like the guy) but can you really see Schwartz designing a new communications modulation system? Ken O, maybe, or some of the people in John Harris's research group.
Dude, I was just thinking about that EXACT storyline. Wonder which of us will patent it first? Hey, and then we can sue the dude that actually does it! I love this.
"Anyway I just wanted to point out that people complaining about linux fonts are not always retards and whiners."
/. needs to deal with.
True. But what this guy is complaining about is (apparently) how OpenOffice looks in Linux. I can understand how he might be confused and think, "Hey, OO.o looks good on Winders and looks like ass on Linux, must be because Lunix looks like ass!" but in fact it isn't that simple. That's not a linux problem, that's an OO.o problem. I have the same problem - on OO.o. Elsewhere, Linux fonts DO "look fine to me". I have Windows XP, OS X, and Linux boxes here in the office, and I don't see any way in which Linux fonts look inferior. Then again, maybe it's because I don't have any weird-assed Dell monitors. Dunno.
I wouldn't think the guy deserved a "Troll" mod, but we don't have a "Doesn't understand the problem" mod to give him. How are we supposed to mod a guy who says things that directly contradict our experience, and says it in a contentious way? Trolls certainly do that, and we certainly have trolls around here, and it's not as if Linux fonts are a topic no troll has ever explored... how do we differentiate between trolls and the merely ignorant (and I mean that in the nicest possible, non-judgmental way)? This is getting off-topic, but I think it's a legitimate issue that