i would think that most people never downloaded upgrades to IE. they had a browser, and they stuck with it. people didn't like weird website signs that said "best viewed with ie 5.0" or some such. 5.0 came out with win 98 SE i believe and most people switched due to hardware upgrades (bought a new pc). that or they installed some other software that included a IE 5.0 install. people didn't go out of their way to install a browser.
the only way to say that netscape killed netscape would be to say that they didn't release a NS operating system with the NS browser bundled in. all other software requries someone to want something different than the default.
um, sorry, you've got things a little mis-interpreted i believe.
first, ns was about the only browser for linux for quite some time. even after AOL bought ns. MS never gave away IE for linux, they only released an outdated solaris version. also, MS giving away IE didn't directly kill off netscape. it was the OS bundling that killed off netscape. users didn't have to download a 10+ MB browser to install, it was already there on the pc. ISPs began to get really competitive. IIRC, it was win95 V. 2 that included IE 4.0 and that killed off netscape. prior to that netscape was still a very active browser. it was also around that time that aol bought netscape.
after aol bought netscape, they released the source code and started the mozilla project. could mozilla (or the current netscape) have gotten to where they are today much faster? sure, but they decided a rewrite was in order. so the customers or users had to wait a little while IE was nearly the only windows browser available, and NS 4.7 was the only linux broswer available (opera , konqueror, some gnome browser and others sprung up during that time). around moz 9.0 or so, people started to really use mozilla full time. it was a free quality standards compliant browser. none of the others that sprung up during that time compare to it. ie doesn't compare to it. it's still lacking some features (really easy plugin install) but those will come.
what exactly do you think the audience will be for this channel? IRC is nice when there's lots of helpfull people in the channel. at times #gentoo can be really helpfull, at times it can be a load of crap. where is it exactly that you hang for your brain stimulating conversations? i prefer a couple local watering stations myself.
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i would argue that google is faster than finding a book's page, then finding it's links to page, then finding the page you want/link you want. you hear of a good piece of software, gooogle it.
oops sorry, forgot that altair. regardless i believe, the article is still correct in its wording.
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somehow this doesn't work in my mozilla, maybe it's a mouse thing or a setup thing or a software issue. at any rate, i think i i know what you're referring to. clicking the scroll button in ie can bring up a up/down arrow and you can scroll by moving the mouse.
personally i don't like having a mouse that's so far from my keyboard. any movement to the mouse after typing is cumbersome. anyway. go apple and this good ole' book on tips!
i read the article. a little to close and critically i might guess.
was the 4004 a microprocessor for personal computers? did it come out in 1978? no it came out in 1971 and it was "for the Japanese company Busicom to create a single chip for a calculator" . the 8080 wasn't a microprocessor for personal computers either and it also didn't come out in 1978. what was intel's first microprocessor for personal computers that came out in 1978?
so, yes, your facts were right that intel had microprocessor's prior to the 8086, but the article author was also right on target with their wording.
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2 button? those are so 90's ( or 80's perhaps ). most have 5 buttons including the scroll wheel button functionality. my mouse uses the other two for forward and back web browsing. windows doesn't use the wheel click for anything by default it seems. i agree though, the mac mice are rather thoughtless.
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first the reviewer says that he wants url's in a book because he's paying for the book and shouldn't be bothered with google, but then he says something along the lines of "if you're the type of person who values your time"... well, google is much faster than a flip through reference manual where you have to type in the result yourself. make it even faster and learn to use mozilla's type ahead feature. get away from that silly mouse sitting so far away from the control panel;).
IIRC from my cost accounting classes ages and ages ago, you still count research and development of the original product when determining the cost of each individual unit. sure it costs maybe.30$ for each XP cd to be pressed, maybe another coupple of bucks for the box if needed and manual. it could have also cost 1B$ to product the first cd with design, development and testing costs. there's also an ongoing cost of support which may or may not be included with each purchase.
also, they might be able to now sell for 50$ a seat and make a profit, but they're not sellign for a profit, they're selling today's software so they can have money to invest in tomorrow's version. that's how they've gotten as big as they are (well that and a few slightly illegal business practices along the way, but the DOJ turns a blind eye, so then so should we).
<obligatory> did you read the fricking article</obligatory>
they're only counting x86 cpu's not every fricking cpu off the fab line. the article continues to state "The original IBM PC shipped with a version of the 8086". they don't even say which version, but a version. again, this mark is counting x86 chips. not 4004's or 8080's (neither of which really took off much that i recall) or co-processors, or the cpu in my watch that has intell's name stamped on it.
In XP Pro it even seems to have tab-completion of filename activated by default.
that's some innovation going on there. a freaking shell with tab completion. they have command history. i just get really peeved when i log onto one of our HP-UX boxes and there's nothing but a csh. Or on the Solaris box and the default shell is sh. Hey admins! If anyone wants to use something other than bash, they'll know where to find it.
way to grab an old smelly sock out of the closet, trouble is, the sock isn't so old or smelly. To me, Hans seemed rather civil in his approach of this matter. I didn't notice any direct name calling either. only a rather thoughtfull comparision of Debian's disregard to the software author's copyright violation. Hans original email was direct and to the point. "Hey guys, give credit where credit is due, don't change MY license", even other debian-devel users resort to more childish flaimbaitish type communication in this thread than Hans.
thanks for showing me the next gen p2p application, aka: google. i've always found using kazza and the like to be cumbersome and slow. google works great.
please go back to your crackpipe. as the OP mentioned, it's a press release. thus, it's expected to be biased both in wording and its statistical presentation. basically you can gather that it's a fairly large project that is widely used. users, installs, downloads, whatever.
SCO became an obligatory joke to the computing world circa 1995 perhaps before.
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Prior art would have killed the patent
i'm curious how much time and effort the patent office spends in trying to find prior art? and what the process is for invalidating a patent.
patents are so specific and yet so twisted that it doesn't make sense. so if i develop a "wheel" and you then patent the use of a "wheel" to move items from point a to point b, then your patent is valid? anyone else can patent the "wheel" for sitting on or for... well, not much else other than moving stuff from pt. a to pt. b.
there's other business models that work other than patent the use of a product and be the only one who can sell it and its use for the next X years.
please, stop with the bitching and moaning that linux doesn't have good browsers or a 100% compatible office clone.
first of all, linux has the most compliant browser on the market (mozilla). some like it, some don't, but the fact of the matter is that it's more standards compliant than internet explorer. if a page works in mozilla, it'll work in ie. sure, some sites themselves aren't compliant, but then you yourself wanted 100% compliance (in another feature but still 100%).
second regarding your whiny office clone rant. if it were 100% compatible, it wouldn't be a clone, it would be Microsoft Office 2000. yes, MS Office has more features than OO. isn't there also commercial office packages for linux?
you know what, linux developers really don't care much why you're not using linux, or what needs to be done so you can use linux. they've got hardware that they want to use, and they write drivers for it, they've got applications that they want to use and they develop them. so fine, use your Win XP/2k, but there's no need to throw mud in to the linux developers/users faces saying that "until linux can do X and has X piece of software.." is it friday yet?
i have no problems with that. it's making specific forms of harassment illegal that i have a problem with. the law makers should define harassment in such a way that it defines all forms of harassment. no need to make laws about each one in particular, and no need to go after people for sending an unsolicited message, go after them for harassment if that fits the bill.
the trouble with this national dnc list is that there will be a way around it. companies will go outside the borders for their phone solicitation practices. perhaps through untraceable or tough to trace phone systems. the telemarketing doesn't have to be done by the companies directly, but through "affiliates" and such.
no human being has the right to bother me - to waste my time without paying me for it
i have a right to ask you what time it is if i see you walking down the street. that's wasting your time. you have the right to ignore me or listen to me and to even tell me the time or to tell me to fuck off. regardless, i've still wasted your time and you'll be goddamned if you'll ever see a freaking dime from me.
- it's my phone and I'm paying for the service. With that in mind it's perfectly reasonable to assume that I get to decide who gets to call. If I tell someone to fuck off, then they better damn well fuck off.
again, i say sure it's your phone, but why the hell are you buying a phone and service for said phone that runs on an inheriantly flawed system. GET A PHONE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SPAM! the same for your email! you mean they're not out there? sounds like a good business opportunity. until the next method for mass marketing comes along.
i'm curious; where's that law requiring property owners to have a mail box on every property we own? i know of lots of small cities where the mail isn't delivered, but everyone has a box in the downtown office.
there's a major difference that and just documentation. man pages are documentation. there's web sites with how-to guides for other documentation. and there's plenty of open source software based books that are just not worth the read. so the author was trying to let you know if this book is going to be worth the $$ you spend.
um, the poster was asking a question that was answered in their "review" via the who is this book good for section.
to comment on the review, i myself found the review quite lacking in substance, but the book might be the same. in my experience with CUPS (ok, i'm using a couple 'a lexmark printers, but they were fairly cheap), it's a major PITA to setup and work reliably.
I don't pay $35 a month for phone service... I don't pay $60 for net service
these are the people you need to contact to get rid of your phone/email spam problems. why does your phone company sell your phone number, why do your credit card companies sell your telephone number? why does microcenter ask for my phone number for each purchase? does your isp sell your email address? aol does. mine doesn't.
how does my point fall apart? i don't claim that other non-consitutional laws are a good thing for our society. most of those laws you point to stem from protecting valid constitutional rights. environmental laws are to protect the natural resources of the socitey. this socitey has said that it doesn't like businesses dumping tons of waste chicken manure into their water supply which would cause massive disease. the government is aloud and has an absolute responsibilty to protect the common resources of its citizens; be that air, water, forests, animals, etc.
Since when did I agree to be a marketting target?
the moment you came out of the womb you most likely became a part of our massive marketing society. the moment you started to watch semame street, barney or what ever else you parents put on the tube to shut up that damn crying baby (trust me, those shows certainly come in handy quite often).
find a phone company who promises to NEVER disclose your number. a company who's numbers can not be randomly generated. protect that number by giving it only to people you know. you probably won't get phone solicits. find an email provider that can protect your email address. never disclose that address except to people you want email from. you'll cut your spam down. current phone/email systems are inherantly flawed in that anyone can randomly send phone calls/spam to not a list, but a generated list of possible address/numbers.
how about encrypted phone numbers that you have to give out a key for someone else to install on their phone to be able to call your phone? your phone will reject calls that don't provide your "public" key. add on top of that a way to randomly change your public key and update your "friends" phones with your new key.
i don't like spam, but this is not governement terrotory. their job is to protect the borders and to protect the rights of the citizens. no human rights have been violated.
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i would think that most people never downloaded upgrades to IE. they had a browser, and they stuck with it. people didn't like weird website signs that said "best viewed with ie 5.0" or some such. 5.0 came out with win 98 SE i believe and most people switched due to hardware upgrades (bought a new pc). that or they installed some other software that included a IE 5.0 install. people didn't go out of their way to install a browser.
the only way to say that netscape killed netscape would be to say that they didn't release a NS operating system with the NS browser bundled in. all other software requries someone to want something different than the default.
isn't NT 3.51 and beyond a microkernel? what was win 3.1 and beyond based on?
um, sorry, you've got things a little mis-interpreted i believe.
first, ns was about the only browser for linux for quite some time. even after AOL bought ns. MS never gave away IE for linux, they only released an outdated solaris version. also, MS giving away IE didn't directly kill off netscape. it was the OS bundling that killed off netscape. users didn't have to download a 10+ MB browser to install, it was already there on the pc. ISPs began to get really competitive. IIRC, it was win95 V. 2 that included IE 4.0 and that killed off netscape. prior to that netscape was still a very active browser. it was also around that time that aol bought netscape.
after aol bought netscape, they released the source code and started the mozilla project. could mozilla (or the current netscape) have gotten to where they are today much faster? sure, but they decided a rewrite was in order. so the customers or users had to wait a little while IE was nearly the only windows browser available, and NS 4.7 was the only linux broswer available (opera , konqueror, some gnome browser and others sprung up during that time). around moz 9.0 or so, people started to really use mozilla full time. it was a free quality standards compliant browser. none of the others that sprung up during that time compare to it. ie doesn't compare to it. it's still lacking some features (really easy plugin install) but those will come.
full of the terminately brain dead
what exactly do you think the audience will be for this channel? IRC is nice when there's lots of helpfull people in the channel. at times #gentoo can be really helpfull, at times it can be a load of crap. where is it exactly that you hang for your brain stimulating conversations? i prefer a couple local watering stations myself.
i would argue that google is faster than finding a book's page, then finding it's links to page, then finding the page you want/link you want. you hear of a good piece of software, gooogle it.
oops sorry, forgot that altair. regardless i believe, the article is still correct in its wording.
somehow this doesn't work in my mozilla, maybe it's a mouse thing or a setup thing or a software issue. at any rate, i think i i know what you're referring to. clicking the scroll button in ie can bring up a up/down arrow and you can scroll by moving the mouse.
personally i don't like having a mouse that's so far from my keyboard. any movement to the mouse after typing is cumbersome. anyway. go apple and this good ole' book on tips!
i read the article. a little to close and critically i might guess.
was the 4004 a microprocessor for personal computers? did it come out in 1978? no it came out in 1971 and it was "for the Japanese company Busicom to create a single chip for a calculator" . the 8080 wasn't a microprocessor for personal computers either and it also didn't come out in 1978. what was intel's first microprocessor for personal computers that came out in 1978?
so, yes, your facts were right that intel had microprocessor's prior to the 8086, but the article author was also right on target with their wording.
2 button? those are so 90's ( or 80's perhaps ). most have 5 buttons including the scroll wheel button functionality. my mouse uses the other two for forward and back web browsing. windows doesn't use the wheel click for anything by default it seems. i agree though, the mac mice are rather thoughtless.
first the reviewer says that he wants url's in a book because he's paying for the book and shouldn't be bothered with google, but then he says something along the lines of "if you're the type of person who values your time"... well, google is much faster than a flip through reference manual where you have to type in the result yourself. make it even faster and learn to use mozilla's type ahead feature. get away from that silly mouse sitting so far away from the control panel ;).
IIRC from my cost accounting classes ages and ages ago, you still count research and development of the original product when determining the cost of each individual unit. sure it costs maybe .30$ for each XP cd to be pressed, maybe another coupple of bucks for the box if needed and manual. it could have also cost 1B$ to product the first cd with design, development and testing costs. there's also an ongoing cost of support which may or may not be included with each purchase.
also, they might be able to now sell for 50$ a seat and make a profit, but they're not sellign for a profit, they're selling today's software so they can have money to invest in tomorrow's version. that's how they've gotten as big as they are (well that and a few slightly illegal business practices along the way, but the DOJ turns a blind eye, so then so should we).
In XP Pro it even seems to have tab-completion of filename activated by default.
that's some innovation going on there. a freaking shell with tab completion. they have command history. i just get really peeved when i log onto one of our HP-UX boxes and there's nothing but a csh. Or on the Solaris box and the default shell is sh. Hey admins! If anyone wants to use something other than bash, they'll know where to find it.
way to grab an old smelly sock out of the closet, trouble is, the sock isn't so old or smelly. To me, Hans seemed rather civil in his approach of this matter. I didn't notice any direct name calling either. only a rather thoughtfull comparision of Debian's disregard to the software author's copyright violation. Hans original email was direct and to the point. "Hey guys, give credit where credit is due, don't change MY license", even other debian-devel users resort to more childish flaimbaitish type communication in this thread than Hans.
thanks for showing me the next gen p2p application, aka: google. i've always found using kazza and the like to be cumbersome and slow. google works great.
please go back to your crackpipe. as the OP mentioned, it's a press release. thus, it's expected to be biased both in wording and its statistical presentation. basically you can gather that it's a fairly large project that is widely used. users, installs, downloads, whatever.
SCO became an obligatory joke to the computing world circa 1995 perhaps before.
Prior art would have killed the patent
... well, not much else other than moving stuff from pt. a to pt. b.
i'm curious how much time and effort the patent office spends in trying to find prior art? and what the process is for invalidating a patent.
patents are so specific and yet so twisted that it doesn't make sense. so if i develop a "wheel" and you then patent the use of a "wheel" to move items from point a to point b, then your patent is valid? anyone else can patent the "wheel" for sitting on or for
there's other business models that work other than patent the use of a product and be the only one who can sell it and its use for the next X years.
please, stop with the bitching and moaning that linux doesn't have good browsers or a 100% compatible office clone.
first of all, linux has the most compliant browser on the market (mozilla). some like it, some don't, but the fact of the matter is that it's more standards compliant than internet explorer. if a page works in mozilla, it'll work in ie. sure, some sites themselves aren't compliant, but then you yourself wanted 100% compliance (in another feature but still 100%).
second regarding your whiny office clone rant. if it were 100% compatible, it wouldn't be a clone, it would be Microsoft Office 2000. yes, MS Office has more features than OO. isn't there also commercial office packages for linux?
you know what, linux developers really don't care much why you're not using linux, or what needs to be done so you can use linux. they've got hardware that they want to use, and they write drivers for it, they've got applications that they want to use and they develop them. so fine, use your Win XP/2k, but there's no need to throw mud in to the linux developers/users faces saying that "until linux can do X and has X piece of software.." is it friday yet?
Harassment is illegal.
i have no problems with that. it's making specific forms of harassment illegal that i have a problem with. the law makers should define harassment in such a way that it defines all forms of harassment. no need to make laws about each one in particular, and no need to go after people for sending an unsolicited message, go after them for harassment if that fits the bill.
the trouble with this national dnc list is that there will be a way around it. companies will go outside the borders for their phone solicitation practices. perhaps through untraceable or tough to trace phone systems. the telemarketing doesn't have to be done by the companies directly, but through "affiliates" and such.
no human being has the right to bother me - to waste my time without paying me for it
i have a right to ask you what time it is if i see you walking down the street. that's wasting your time. you have the right to ignore me or listen to me and to even tell me the time or to tell me to fuck off. regardless, i've still wasted your time and you'll be goddamned if you'll ever see a freaking dime from me.
yeah, it's all a red commie coverup. always is.
- it's my phone and I'm paying for the service. With that in mind it's perfectly reasonable to assume that I get to decide who gets to call. If I tell someone to fuck off, then they better damn well fuck off.
again, i say sure it's your phone, but why the hell are you buying a phone and service for said phone that runs on an inheriantly flawed system. GET A PHONE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SPAM! the same for your email! you mean they're not out there? sounds like a good business opportunity. until the next method for mass marketing comes along.
i'm curious; where's that law requiring property owners to have a mail box on every property we own? i know of lots of small cities where the mail isn't delivered, but everyone has a box in the downtown office.
good documentation
there's a major difference that and just documentation. man pages are documentation. there's web sites with how-to guides for other documentation. and there's plenty of open source software based books that are just not worth the read. so the author was trying to let you know if this book is going to be worth the $$ you spend.
um, the poster was asking a question that was answered in their "review" via the who is this book good for section.
to comment on the review, i myself found the review quite lacking in substance, but the book might be the same. in my experience with CUPS (ok, i'm using a couple 'a lexmark printers, but they were fairly cheap), it's a major PITA to setup and work reliably.
I don't pay $35 a month for phone service ... I don't pay $60 for net service
these are the people you need to contact to get rid of your phone/email spam problems. why does your phone company sell your phone number, why do your credit card companies sell your telephone number? why does microcenter ask for my phone number for each purchase? does your isp sell your email address? aol does. mine doesn't.
how does my point fall apart? i don't claim that other non-consitutional laws are a good thing for our society. most of those laws you point to stem from protecting valid constitutional rights. environmental laws are to protect the natural resources of the socitey. this socitey has said that it doesn't like businesses dumping tons of waste chicken manure into their water supply which would cause massive disease. the government is aloud and has an absolute responsibilty to protect the common resources of its citizens; be that air, water, forests, animals, etc.
Since when did I agree to be a marketting target?
the moment you came out of the womb you most likely became a part of our massive marketing society. the moment you started to watch semame street, barney or what ever else you parents put on the tube to shut up that damn crying baby (trust me, those shows certainly come in handy quite often).
find a phone company who promises to NEVER disclose your number. a company who's numbers can not be randomly generated. protect that number by giving it only to people you know. you probably won't get phone solicits. find an email provider that can protect your email address. never disclose that address except to people you want email from. you'll cut your spam down. current phone/email systems are inherantly flawed in that anyone can randomly send phone calls/spam to not a list, but a generated list of possible address/numbers.
how about encrypted phone numbers that you have to give out a key for someone else to install on their phone to be able to call your phone? your phone will reject calls that don't provide your "public" key. add on top of that a way to randomly change your public key and update your "friends" phones with your new key.
i don't like spam, but this is not governement terrotory. their job is to protect the borders and to protect the rights of the citizens. no human rights have been violated.