like i said, the messages on the machine don't really bother me. and i'd rather not have legit people hear me bitching to the solicitors to put me on the dnc list. currently i'm only once every few days though. i suppose it if were 15 per day that i had to sift through it might be a different story.
yeah, if it were'nt a profitable business then it wouldn't exist.
capitalism does work in practice if left to work. this freaking governement interference in the market just wacks everything up and gives the public the impression that the gov't does really do something for them while raping all other rights and freedoms outlined in the constiution.
guess what, if you don't give people a channel to contact you, they won't. go home and stay inside. stay off the internet and don't get the mail. disconnect your phone and get rid of the cable tv. hell dig a hole in the ground and crawl inside. it's your land you s/b free to do that. people won't come knocking on the entrance of your underground hole to "bother" you or steal your precious resources.
no, i don't like spam either, but people are going to contact you however you expose your self for contact. email, annoying phone calls, door visits, time share sharks while on vacations. they're all after you and your precious dollar and everything you do to thwart them away will make them find another way to come after your precious dollar.
when it's a p2p network it's ok to allow unregulated use, some of which might be ok, some might not. when it's a phone network, or an email communication channel, we want to the gov't to protect our rights all to hell? if you don't want spam; don't use email.
yes, the lists will not keep people from buggin' you. how about get out of the freaking house and enjoy some of that limited life?
i get messages left on my answering machine now telling me that i'm pre-approved for a visa. i really should just quit paying bills so my credit goes to hell. that'll stop the junk mail. or it'll be from a new source (HOW TO CLEAN YOUR CREDIT). i get messages on my machine saying i get a 99$ vacation to disney and kids are free. the messages really don't bother me much. they're left during the day and i just walk away and or can listen to the crap during my leisure. but, when people want to interupt my dinner time. watch out.
try not going to the mail box. i don't think it's required to take your mail from the mail box.
oh, i see. you only want mail that you've authorized, eh? and wal-mart only wants people in the door who will buy some crap too. perhaps they should have you leave a non refundable "deposit" at the door?
isn't any view of reality distorted by the mere nature that it's being viewed through a distorted "lense"?
damn shrinks, classic schizophrenia or even the modern type is really someone who just needs to get the shit kicked out of them a few times to have the freaking lense cleaned up. if that doesn't work, then i say they're over the edge and should be shipped off to farm coffee beans in brazil. (nothing against coffee farmers in brazil, love the arabica stuff myself, i just think that lifestyle would be the next step after a few swift ass kickin's).
wow, that's definately a handfull of interesting information and certainly furthers my impression that the current IP/copyright laws have gone to the waste and really makes a moral case for p2p file trading, black market dvd's, etc etc.
one point you made was regarding an individual's human right to privacy. while i do think that the US constitution indirectly grants a right to privacy, i think that right is very limited. i think that right is nearly absolute on your own property, and diminishes greatly as you yourself enter a public "domain".
this is certainly a complicated situation. copyrights flowing left, right and out of cowboyneal's tail end. i did a quick google and couldn't really come up with much on the subject.
the only thing that i can think of to compare to is paparizzi photos of celebrities. if i snap a shot of a celeb, or grab them on tape, or on video/audio, whatever, i own the copyright to that material. it's mine, i created it. they were merely "actors" in my production. weather they were compensated or not is irrelevant. when the tv news stations show events (say a 4th of july celebration) and there's tons of citizens flowing the streets, the tv station ownz that production, that piece of "art".
my point is that regardless of the law, if i create it it's mine. mine to license, or not license, mine to copyright as i choose, perhaps some freebsd sytle license if i choose...
what if i record from 1/2 a mile away and get a crappy sound, but still get some noise from the show. who ownz that recording? the right to copy it? the right to distribute it? what if i fly overhead and record video of the concert, who ownz my video recording? how about my video recording of shot over some farm land in iowa?
yep, i'd give it a troll certainly. the only comment/. made regarding this store was with "from the monopoly-players-pass-go dept." no, one liners about how bad big monopolies are or how big business really sucks and we should all move on to greener pastures of using the wonderfull apt-get except for a win98 partition for games. nope, they're merely posting a story that they probably had submitted 20,000 times and figured the/. crowd wanted a discussion on it.
their recordings sure, but not mine. once a band allows concertgoers to tape the show, the recorded sound is copyright of the recorder not the band making all the ticket revenue.
i'm not all up on the DMB scene, but perhaps what they're doing is asking the sites politely to not distribute that stuff as it breaks down the personal relationships that are built with trading music.
and do they limit the sale of water bongs to tobacco smokers? there might be a "precedent" set, but that doesn't make it right at all. it's NOT the job of our government to decide what business a person engages into. only can the government interfer when that business hinders the individual rights of a person outlined in the constitution.
this freaking government today is downright disgusting to say the least.
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you obviously know what you're talking about. gentoo is NOT easy to install and maintainence is a beeetch. i've commonly had systems become so flubergusted that they won't boot after a simple emerge -u world. glibc problems. even booting in restore mode (from chrooted via cdrom), wouldn't let me fix it except to untar the stages again. that of course was basically a reinstall.
oh sure, it's still 1.4b as in beta, but at this rate it'll become debian status. also, i don't think the 1.4b really holds much water now because as i understand using the 1.2 boot cd and installing a fresh system will give you a current system with all the packages (bugs included).
gentoo is a great distro in dire need of maturity and lots more package maintainers. an installer for gentoo causes quite the discussion on the irc and on the forums. most gentooers for some strange reason are against an installer completely. their reasoning is that you don't get your hands dirty enough using a simplified installer. no need to learn fdisk commands or how to format a ext3 partition, or how to mount a swap disk, or how to create/edit (using the nano editor) a/etc/fstab file, or how to... do 20 other steps that must be done in the right order that you'll never need to know in day to day use.
come on now. the gpl won't hinder it's use in other applications at all. qt is licensed under gpl. is it's use in applications hindered? (currently only in the non unix world, but at the rate the cygwin port is coming along, that might change). gpl will ensure that all other apps are under gpl as well, and that's a good thing. i want to see and want others to see the source for my encrypted im application. i want my boss to have access to the source. i want lots of people to see the source and scrutinize it all to hell and back.
besides gpl is only for distrubiuted apps. if IBM or someother large corporation wants to make an internal use application that's customized for their use, then so be it.
actually, from the working that you quoted, it's appears to be up to the discression of the person requesting the prohibitory order.
when it stops aol cd's it has gots to be a good thing, when it lets RIAA request and get your Verizon logs b/c they suspect you to be trading songs, then it's a bad thing. lovely how EVERY coin had at least two sides...
oh yeah, and on the original topic. aol selling member lists is completely WRONG, but does/. sell user info? not yet? not that we're told?
as long as the company you're purchasing it from is still around and supports the products you have. after that it's your headache just like everything else. yes sun has typically had solid hardware (if that's entirely true, then why do datacenters need redundancy at the hardware level, and why do they need such expensive contracts that say that sun will be there in 45 minutes and have any problem resolved within 2 hrs.
how about putting those eggs in a few separate baskets?
come on now. the OP presents some valid arguments and you twist it and the OP into a neo-nazi?
first off, the claim of destroying what's left of SCO's ip was purely speculation. it may have been a percieved diminished value by the OP, but certainly SCO still feels they can squeeze something out of whatever they hold.
next: "you admire them so much for "... the OP never uses the word admire and I don't get that the OP admires SCO's or their actions. i merely come away from reading the OP feeling that the OP feels that SCO has shown more balls than ESR regarding these IP issues.
regarding that soon to be famous last comment. i gather that the OP merely feels that OS projects could stand to put aside a little theoretical BS regarding IP property and what the current definition of FREE is today. and get to work fixing and building the systems they preach about.
i neither agree nor disagree with the OP, i just think the OP presented some valid points and you countered with some extensive assumptions about the post.
Do you think Walmart would install cash registers with the posibility that they would be liable for copyright violation any time SCO, or whoever, wanted to change the license?
would anybody create gif images without having a license? nah, i wouldn't think so...
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And furthermore, it's long since paid for itself over and over again.
how exactly does an OS pay for itself? i've got to get me one of these AIX os's...
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unfortunately there is no beginning. or perhaps it was just rebooted 5 or 6 times? who knows. just waiting for nov.
Well, no, because I have something called 'integrity.'
obviously someone from across one of the ponds. here in the states, free crap will trump that there 'integrity' card each and every time.
and hey, now that i've spilled the beans, AMD, i could probably post some benchmarks of your new 64 bit processor if i only had a couple of them to play around with (wink, wink, smp, nudge, nudge).
they changed kde. kde is a desktop environment where the default look and feel are what matters. people know where to find things and what certain icons will do and stuff like that. redhat made the kde desktop icons, and menu's all different, not what a kde power user was use to (we all have to change a few things about the default desktop, but we know where to find things) RH went beyond that and made it too difficult to find things.
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well, except that with gentoo, frequently emerge -u world can cause catastrophic troubles. at least that's been my impression with the rc2 and beyond. 1.4 final indicates that, well, we've think we've got this shit down pat, here, try it out. and 1.4.1 will indicate that well, we didn't quite have our shit down pat, but we resolved some of it.
it is hard to make a final release when your target is constantly moving.
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just quit yer beeching already.
first off, gentoo makes building complex apps EASY!. if you've ever built kde from source, you know what a lot of tar xvfz's;./configure && make && make install's there are. gentoo simplifies all that crap.
next, commercial games don't come as source, they come in binary format. try to build tuxracer from scratch and see how long it takes or gltron or BillardsGL. some more than others, but they go fairly quickly.
finally, if and when the 1.4 version of gentoo goes final, they're plannign on releasing a binary version as well as the source based. IIRC, they're calling it a reference platform. so, you will be able to install gentoo 1.4 in under an hour just like all the other distros. upgrading might take a while, but isn't that the case will all other distros?
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it's of german heritage and in general means:
"by trying to rid themselves of a bad thing succeed in destroying whatever good there was as well"
like i said, the messages on the machine don't really bother me. and i'd rather not have legit people hear me bitching to the solicitors to put me on the dnc list. currently i'm only once every few days though. i suppose it if were 15 per day that i had to sift through it might be a different story.
yeah, if it were'nt a profitable business then it wouldn't exist.
capitalism does work in practice if left to work. this freaking governement interference in the market just wacks everything up and gives the public the impression that the gov't does really do something for them while raping all other rights and freedoms outlined in the constiution.
guess what, if you don't give people a channel to contact you, they won't. go home and stay inside. stay off the internet and don't get the mail. disconnect your phone and get rid of the cable tv. hell dig a hole in the ground and crawl inside. it's your land you s/b free to do that. people won't come knocking on the entrance of your underground hole to "bother" you or steal your precious resources.
no, i don't like spam either, but people are going to contact you however you expose your self for contact. email, annoying phone calls, door visits, time share sharks while on vacations. they're all after you and your precious dollar and everything you do to thwart them away will make them find another way to come after your precious dollar.
when it's a p2p network it's ok to allow unregulated use, some of which might be ok, some might not. when it's a phone network, or an email communication channel, we want to the gov't to protect our rights all to hell? if you don't want spam; don't use email.
yes, the lists will not keep people from buggin' you. how about get out of the freaking house and enjoy some of that limited life?
i get messages left on my answering machine now telling me that i'm pre-approved for a visa. i really should just quit paying bills so my credit goes to hell. that'll stop the junk mail. or it'll be from a new source (HOW TO CLEAN YOUR CREDIT). i get messages on my machine saying i get a 99$ vacation to disney and kids are free. the messages really don't bother me much. they're left during the day and i just walk away and or can listen to the crap during my leisure. but, when people want to interupt my dinner time. watch out.
try not going to the mail box. i don't think it's required to take your mail from the mail box.
oh, i see. you only want mail that you've authorized, eh? and wal-mart only wants people in the door who will buy some crap too. perhaps they should have you leave a non refundable "deposit" at the door?
isn't any view of reality distorted by the mere nature that it's being viewed through a distorted "lense"?
damn shrinks, classic schizophrenia or even the modern type is really someone who just needs to get the shit kicked out of them a few times to have the freaking lense cleaned up. if that doesn't work, then i say they're over the edge and should be shipped off to farm coffee beans in brazil. (nothing against coffee farmers in brazil, love the arabica stuff myself, i just think that lifestyle would be the next step after a few swift ass kickin's).
wow, that's definately a handfull of interesting information and certainly furthers my impression that the current IP/copyright laws have gone to the waste and really makes a moral case for p2p file trading, black market dvd's, etc etc.
one point you made was regarding an individual's human right to privacy. while i do think that the US constitution indirectly grants a right to privacy, i think that right is very limited. i think that right is nearly absolute on your own property, and diminishes greatly as you yourself enter a public "domain".
this is certainly a complicated situation. copyrights flowing left, right and out of cowboyneal's tail end. i did a quick google and couldn't really come up with much on the subject.
the only thing that i can think of to compare to is paparizzi photos of celebrities. if i snap a shot of a celeb, or grab them on tape, or on video/audio, whatever, i own the copyright to that material. it's mine, i created it. they were merely "actors" in my production. weather they were compensated or not is irrelevant. when the tv news stations show events (say a 4th of july celebration) and there's tons of citizens flowing the streets, the tv station ownz that production, that piece of "art".
my point is that regardless of the law, if i create it it's mine. mine to license, or not license, mine to copyright as i choose, perhaps some freebsd sytle license if i choose...
what if i record from 1/2 a mile away and get a crappy sound, but still get some noise from the show. who ownz that recording? the right to copy it? the right to distribute it? what if i fly overhead and record video of the concert, who ownz my video recording? how about my video recording of shot over some farm land in iowa?
yep, i'd give it a troll certainly. the only comment /. made regarding this store was with "from the monopoly-players-pass-go dept." no, one liners about how bad big monopolies are or how big business really sucks and we should all move on to greener pastures of using the wonderfull apt-get except for a win98 partition for games. nope, they're merely posting a story that they probably had submitted 20,000 times and figured the /. crowd wanted a discussion on it.
their recordings sure, but not mine. once a band allows concertgoers to tape the show, the recorded sound is copyright of the recorder not the band making all the ticket revenue.
i'm not all up on the DMB scene, but perhaps what they're doing is asking the sites politely to not distribute that stuff as it breaks down the personal relationships that are built with trading music.
and do they limit the sale of water bongs to tobacco smokers? there might be a "precedent" set, but that doesn't make it right at all. it's NOT the job of our government to decide what business a person engages into. only can the government interfer when that business hinders the individual rights of a person outlined in the constitution.
this freaking government today is downright disgusting to say the least.
you obviously know what you're talking about. gentoo is NOT easy to install and maintainence is a beeetch. i've commonly had systems become so flubergusted that they won't boot after a simple emerge -u world. glibc problems. even booting in restore mode (from chrooted via cdrom), wouldn't let me fix it except to untar the stages again. that of course was basically a reinstall.
/etc/fstab file, or how to ... do 20 other steps that must be done in the right order that you'll never need to know in day to day use.
oh sure, it's still 1.4b as in beta, but at this rate it'll become debian status. also, i don't think the 1.4b really holds much water now because as i understand using the 1.2 boot cd and installing a fresh system will give you a current system with all the packages (bugs included).
gentoo is a great distro in dire need of maturity and lots more package maintainers. an installer for gentoo causes quite the discussion on the irc and on the forums. most gentooers for some strange reason are against an installer completely. their reasoning is that you don't get your hands dirty enough using a simplified installer. no need to learn fdisk commands or how to format a ext3 partition, or how to mount a swap disk, or how to create/edit (using the nano editor) a
come on now. the gpl won't hinder it's use in other applications at all. qt is licensed under gpl. is it's use in applications hindered? (currently only in the non unix world, but at the rate the cygwin port is coming along, that might change). gpl will ensure that all other apps are under gpl as well, and that's a good thing. i want to see and want others to see the source for my encrypted im application. i want my boss to have access to the source. i want lots of people to see the source and scrutinize it all to hell and back.
besides gpl is only for distrubiuted apps. if IBM or someother large corporation wants to make an internal use application that's customized for their use, then so be it.
offers for sale matter that I believe ...
/. sell user info? not yet? not that we're told?
actually, from the working that you quoted, it's appears to be up to the discression of the person requesting the prohibitory order.
when it stops aol cd's it has gots to be a good thing, when it lets RIAA request and get your Verizon logs b/c they suspect you to be trading songs, then it's a bad thing. lovely how EVERY coin had at least two sides...
oh yeah, and on the original topic. aol selling member lists is completely WRONG, but does
Power Puff Girls DVD
i'd have to think that perhaps there's other issues than the dvd that didn't quite play right.
ok, ok, i've shamelessly ripped a few PPG DVD's to vcd for the little monsters too.
which makes purchasing and maintenance easier
as long as the company you're purchasing it from is still around and supports the products you have. after that it's your headache just like everything else. yes sun has typically had solid hardware (if that's entirely true, then why do datacenters need redundancy at the hardware level, and why do they need such expensive contracts that say that sun will be there in 45 minutes and have any problem resolved within 2 hrs.
how about putting those eggs in a few separate baskets?
come on now. the OP presents some valid arguments and you twist it and the OP into a neo-nazi?
first off, the claim of destroying what's left of SCO's ip was purely speculation. it may have been a percieved diminished value by the OP, but certainly SCO still feels they can squeeze something out of whatever they hold.
next: "you admire them so much for "... the OP never uses the word admire and I don't get that the OP admires SCO's or their actions. i merely come away from reading the OP feeling that the OP feels that SCO has shown more balls than ESR regarding these IP issues.
regarding that soon to be famous last comment. i gather that the OP merely feels that OS projects could stand to put aside a little theoretical BS regarding IP property and what the current definition of FREE is today. and get to work fixing and building the systems they preach about.
i neither agree nor disagree with the OP, i just think the OP presented some valid points and you countered with some extensive assumptions about the post.
Do you think Walmart would install cash registers with the posibility that they would be liable for copyright violation any time SCO, or whoever, wanted to change the license?
would anybody create gif images without having a license? nah, i wouldn't think so...
And furthermore, it's long since paid for itself over and over again.
how exactly does an OS pay for itself? i've got to get me one of these AIX os's...
unfortunately there is no beginning. or perhaps it was just rebooted 5 or 6 times? who knows. just waiting for nov.
Well, no, because I have something called 'integrity.'
obviously someone from across one of the ponds. here in the states, free crap will trump that there 'integrity' card each and every time.
and hey, now that i've spilled the beans, AMD, i could probably post some benchmarks of your new 64 bit processor if i only had a couple of them to play around with (wink, wink, smp, nudge, nudge).
they changed kde. kde is a desktop environment where the default look and feel are what matters. people know where to find things and what certain icons will do and stuff like that. redhat made the kde desktop icons, and menu's all different, not what a kde power user was use to (we all have to change a few things about the default desktop, but we know where to find things) RH went beyond that and made it too difficult to find things.
well, except that with gentoo, frequently emerge -u world can cause catastrophic troubles. at least that's been my impression with the rc2 and beyond. 1.4 final indicates that, well, we've think we've got this shit down pat, here, try it out. and 1.4.1 will indicate that well, we didn't quite have our shit down pat, but we resolved some of it.
it is hard to make a final release when your target is constantly moving.
just quit yer beeching already.
./configure && make && make install's there are. gentoo simplifies all that crap.
first off, gentoo makes building complex apps EASY!. if you've ever built kde from source, you know what a lot of tar xvfz's;
next, commercial games don't come as source, they come in binary format. try to build tuxracer from scratch and see how long it takes or gltron or BillardsGL. some more than others, but they go fairly quickly.
finally, if and when the 1.4 version of gentoo goes final, they're plannign on releasing a binary version as well as the source based. IIRC, they're calling it a reference platform. so, you will be able to install gentoo 1.4 in under an hour just like all the other distros. upgrading might take a while, but isn't that the case will all other distros?
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=e
1. Having an intended or expected effect.
yep, how that decss is out there the css is no longer an effective access mechanism. back to school