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TheSurfer writes "Today, Gentoo announced the creation of Gentoo Games, 'a gaming technology company created to deliver innovative Linux-based game technologies to the public'. They also released a GameCD with the full version of America's Army. For more information, see the threads in the forums here and here."
Their logo looks very like the Nintendo Gamecube logo.
Wouldn't a company of this kind need a lot of money to operate?
How do they expect to pay for themselves?
Gentoo what??
Are they going to produce a super optimized distro for games?
Are they planning to aggressively port popular games to Linux?
Are they planning to develop games from scratch?
From the announcement, it suggests that they're doing 1 and/or 2...
There's just nothing as good as the BSD game collection :)
*goes for another round of mille bornes*
gentoogames.com = just an image.
Whats the point of a link to it?
Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes and leprotards who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo." .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat
supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing
to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running
BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..." .rpms together on the command line, and that problems
hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing
SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't
designed for)."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
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but I cann't seem to find one! A couple forum threads about the game doesn't really count.
Anyone got more information about the company?
Its nice that Gentoo includes America's Army, but the story should mention that Ryan Gordon(icculus.org) is the one that did the port.
For some reason I just don't think this is going to make that much of a difference to your Linux user/Gamer. Unless they can get the game developers to actually develop Linux ports at the same time they are doing their Windows design then we will just continue to see a few old games ported over. By old I mean like 1 year of course.
I think this is a great idea, and I love Gentoo, but I know I will be keeping a Windows partition around to dual boot until more companies like id (read Valve!!!) release for both Windows and Linux at the same time.
Daniel Robbins and the rest of the Gentoo crew have done an amazing job with Gentoo as a Linux distro, and even though it's a relative new-comer, it has exploded onto the scene as a force to be reckoned with. I really believe that they will be as huge a success in the game industry as they were in the Linux distro field, they are competent coders and they know what the average Linux user wants, because they ARE your average Linux users. Also, I've had a few chats with drobbins in #gentoo on freenode. When was the last time you saw the head of your favorite distro kick it wif da homies on #IRC. He was even providing basic support for total newbs. Maybe that's why there's so many of us Gentoo zelouts who just won't shut up about it :)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
It's not like their server has to work hard to send out that page...
Anyone else find that America's Army game kind of sick? Sort of glorifies the horrors of war by caricaturing it through a cartoon-like portrayal. Plus, it makes it look like war is a cakewalk for a teenage audience. Reality is people dying, not losing 20 points off your health.
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Do you rail against all games with violence or not?
Are they going to produce LiveCDs like they did for Unreal Tournament? I think that would be a sweet idea. I never got the UT live CD to work (ATI card) but I think the idea is excellent.
I really hope this is better than it looks.
20 or so posts in a forum plus a logo doesn't form the foundations of a great company. Especially when half the posts are discussing installation and politics of America's Army.
Yeah, we have America's Army... but surely the fledging company was helped by the Army's obvious goal of getting the game out to as many people as possible...
That being said, I don't know how many of us geeks they want to recruit onto the front lines... (pizza boxes under the bunk beds, wars would have to be scheduled between 3pm and 2am, Simpson's battle crys, etc.)
Anyway, I hope this is more than it now appears.
Davak
Gentoo is great, but I don't particularly care to 'emerge ut2006' and wait 6 hours while it compiles. ;)
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
I thought the forums were a little slow this morning. Now I know why. The Gentoo forums are already having trouble keeping up with the amount of traffic they normally get, and now you guys have to go and slashdot them. I feel sorry for ibiblio today...
How does this work? Ideally it would the CD would have the following: - A micro kernal with just the services needed by games (LAN, video, sound, disk management, not much else). This would install itself on your HD for future use, auto-update if the one on the CD is newer. - Smart driver finder (searches the disto currently installed on your machine for the necessary drivers) - Game files (obviously) This would have a number of advantages, from console like loading (stick the CD in, turn PC on, quick boot and run). To optimizing the operating environment (no unnecesary services running, should be easier to agree to standards for a micro-kernal like this). Could also be run in UML so you don't have to reboot. Hopefully this would give games developers at common target to aim at whilst also making the games easy to install and run (would only really use HD space if needed, shouldn't be a problem at all) Quick, I'd better patent all that ;o)
I caught them just as they were grinding to a halt and the meat of the threads was "Dude, that TOTALLY rules!"
Fortune is a really boring game. I hope they spice it up with some new cookie files!
http://www.remix.net/
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<title>Gentoo Games, Inc.</title>
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IMO, there's nothing wrong with serving in the military or, as the military, recruiting. OTOH, it's despicable to lie and mischaracterize the realities of the military to the people you're trying to get to join. This has been done for years ("Yes! You'll be getting a primo job in Germany with top-of-the-line tech training and your own quarters!") and this is just another aspect of that.
I really don't want my taxes supporting the people who want to trick people into joining the armed forces, but my tax dollars did pay for America's Army.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
They either can:
1) port games to Linux; very positive move, since gaming is important for the home PC market.
2) maintain the very best Linux distribution aimed for games; not very important by itself, since the games will be still missing.
3) create an intergrated development solution ala DirectX with 3d, 2d, sound, controllers, etc support. Maybe unify current solutions under a common and consistent API ?
4) provide the tools for writing games ?
From the above three, number 3) seems to me the most innovative solution. Linux and Unices have OpenGL, but are there standards for sound, input, multimedia etc ? All these are needed for games.
Number 4) is also a good option that would attract many developers, since it would be quite a money saver.
you can download the ISO using this bittorrent link: http://gentoo.twobit.net/misc/aa-20030513.iso.torr ent
how about concentrating on getting the 1.4 release out? Wasn't it originally announced for release last August?
For the US forces, at least, it was damn near a video game. So it's not really trickery, then.
Whether or not there's something wrong with making war into a video game for one side is OK just depends on which side you're rooting for.
RTFWP
If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
As opposed to the way it is today where todays youth enjoys the fun and games of killing demons from hell on mars or killing Germans in World War II ect.... Kids are already killing people in there games; this is an ATTEMPT to show a slightly more realistic view of this and do a little recruiting while at it. What's wrong with that?
At least it does if you get hit in the balls - by friendly fire, no less!
I don't know about "cunning ploy." They are pretty open about the purpose of the game, especially as they have to justify the cost of its creation to the taypaying public. Recruiting is needed to run a volunteer army the size of America's; this is not any markedly different from TV or mailing campaigns.
I suspect the government (and parents who buy their kids the game) see it this way: if kids are going to play violent games anyway, why not get the kid a game where violence is at least being carried out for a "positive" goal, as opposed to games like Postal or Grand Theft Auto which depict criminal acts, or games like Quake and Unreal where the violence is mindless and the only point. There are other objectives in America's Army, and, while there may be some discrepencies, it is not a totally inaccurate and unrealistic idea of military service [i.e. you can't take 40 hits before dying]. Most Americans respect members of the armed forces, whether you agree with it or not, and see it as having a positive influence. Any good parent would have a serious talk with their child about the armed forces before their kid decides to march into the local recruiting office based on a video game.
I suspect most of those who play are quite immune from the propagandizing effect anyway, and simply enjoy the game.
Care to be asshole buddies?
http://zombo.com/
Which, of course, is:
Yrma Eht Nioj!
All that game needs is belly dancers to sing it ad nauseum.
OK i know this is a troll, but i'll bite
Debain and gentoo are distros ment for two entirely different purposes.
Debain stable has some of the most rigorous testing done. If you want to use a Linux server, debain-stable is your best bet.
While gentoo, is a bleeding edge distro, you get to try the latest and the greatest. but you have to be aware of the price at which it comes.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
I did. My post meant: The US ministry of information is even funnier! And sad for democratie.
Daniel Robbins has ridden on the coat tails of other developers for so long it is not funny, I left the project due to this... he is an a$$hole plain out... he pockets the money that he makes from banners ads (yes banner ads on the .org site) directly.. it does not go into Gentoo .. it goes into his pocket, as does any other revenues that have come into "Gentoo Technologies Inc.". In reality Gentoo == drobbins in all way shapes or forms. Work others did mean nothing to him, nor does anything that's not in his "cool" list.. like th 1.4 release...
drobbins needs professional help (of the psych kind) and needs to stop resting on his behind and taking credit for what everyone else does for 'his' project... he hasn't written an original piece of code or done much more than push things into where he feels they should be at in a long long time.. even his 'original' things like his live CD technology and his stage building scripts were blatantly ripped off (without the GPL required credits remaining in them) from former developers .. to which he claims 100% credit for now as his original work. The original authors are left to dangle in the wind and are no longer with the project, as everything else it's now something that drobbins accomplished...
And now for the important point... what ever happened to their 1.4 release? It's been 'coming' for well over a year now and it still keeps getting pushed back into nothingness for projects like this one (which is IMHO extremely lame). Ryan (icculus) does the hard work of the porting, and he in fact refuses to run gentoo!! Think about it... its a cash in situation... don't you think they could have done more than make a lousy little PNG for their new website before they got slashdotted if this was a serious venture that actually had some work into it?
Think about it peeps... maybe I should step into the light and make my own distro with the myriads of other fantstic developers that daniel has single handedly driven from the project, and there are a LOT of us. As for his renowned *nix skillz ... I can testify first hand he is a text book monkey and his little to zero actual real expereicne doing anythin excpet living in his fantasy world
Sorry to be so harsh, but someone had to step up and set things straight here
Really, Debian and Gentoo are quite different. They both have a similar mechanism for downloading and installing software, but there is a huge difference.
.deb files which are pre-built packages very similar to RPMs. Gentoo uses .emerge which is the source code, nothing pre-built.
Debian uses
When you "apt-get install package" in Debian it just downloads and installs the package. In Gentoo when you "emerge package" it gets the source, compiles and then installs. This takes a considerable more amount of time, but the package in optimized for your system, not a general build for everything (like Debian packages)
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
I went there and was so inspired!!! :)
I am not interested in the American Army game but I can't wait for Gentoo Games to release French Army game.
;) )
You won't kill anyone in this game but it will be fun to bothering USians!
(hey I am not a troll, I am french
While I think this is cool for Linux & all, and technically quite interesting, if people had meant individual games & apps to not interoperate and boot up the whole machine from scratch, why did people bother writing operating systems in the first place?
They are missing the fundamental concept of operating systems.
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
Isn't your whole point about a micro kernel and few services running defeated by running it in user mode linux where the host is a larger kernel with more services?
Just create a mod for q3a that turns quake console into a shell terminal, make a boot CD with it, and I'll use nothing else. :P
Please, I *need* this mod!
See if you can read every fortune in ten seconds! watch -n 10 fortune
Or get the offensive fortune package:
watch -n 10 fortune-o
Hey everyone, check it out: I was right!
"Lawyers are for sucks."
- Doug McKenzie
Reboot your machine, your computer loads the OS off your CD so the programmer has a standard platform to work from. Something Windows doesn't offer. The HD is only used for game save and updates.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
That's why these CS-like games sucks! Having to wait the entire round to respawn is unacceptable. Me and my friends started play CS, but after a month we came back to Quake3Arena.
The main diference is that in CS your life is very important (strategy). In Quake you life is not important, only killing is important (arcade).
In Quake, even your own death is fun.
Someone really needs to grab linux by the balls and sort out the API problems.
There are fuck-knows how mank DVD/MP3/MPEG players out there, all with there own lib's and API's. (mplayer and xine for starters)
Can't they can make a common API/framework?
Even command line tools are inconsistant, please can someone define some standard flags for mp3towav converters, unzip,bzip,tgz etc....
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
First they said that GNU/Linux with its GPL is like a virus attaching to every piece and bit of foreign code. Now... they (hopefully;) will say that Linux is just a viral-like OS attached to newest, bestest gamez.
As a strategy it's not new. MS executed it perfectly.
Will it work for us?
.bottom line, don't just underwrite it...
and try an 'emerge -b ut2006'
duh.
Good story on America's Army in the Wall Street Journal today.
Check it out
Do the Evolution
This is the start. If game developers can focus on the game and the game development tools this will make the games better...not the OS..thus having self booting games that can configure on any OS (Game has self OS ie Linux) seems to take the wind out of all the "porting" issues. Just start developing with a core that can run on anything regardless of OS just pop it in and go..install to any filesystem and boot from cd or someother loader...Nice...been waiting :)
But the main reason I love gentoo is a good, working BSD style ports system. I've uninstalled Windows on my desktop, which was the last place I had it running... thanks Gentoo, and everyone in the Linux community. I will only buy games that have a native Linux port, and since UT2003 and NWN will last me a long time if nobody ports, I'll keep my money, and donate some to Gentoo and others who are advancing the cause of Freedom.
My Linux Command of the Day site : LCOD
I just know this Blackadder quote would come in handy some day
Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, "Today I will be brilliant."
So please tell me I"m wrong and I can use the CD to install AA onto my computer or some other way to install AA w/o gentoo.
On a related note, I like the Idea of a distro that runs off CD that includes nvidia and ATI drivers so I can test 3D things on computers I"m workng on w/o the hard drive.
I do security
Totally. In doom some stupid scientist opened up an interdimension doorway to hell and hell and everyone there decides to move in -- the badguys are obviously purely evil by definition. Never really got into duke3d, while I played the shareware a few times , I never got the enemies... I remember saying "that guy looks like Panthro, should we really be fighting the Thundercats? Maybe its all a big misunderstanding.." ;-]
,regarding games like doom and real world violence, I'd like to
Anyway, some stupid " I type idkfa every 10 seconds" lamer who joined up would probably be for a rude awakening and get dishonorably discharged. Or at least I hope so...
Actually
see a study were they check to see if the guys who only play 3d-shooters
in god-mode are more prone to violence, vs guys who beat the level only by struggling through and dieing 20 times before. Not that, I'm morally opposed to
to cheating at videogames, it's just, that in general, I figure it's better to go-ahead and masturbate rather than turning everythingelse into masturbation.
I haven't tried the game yet, but I hope it's "more indoctrination == lamer filter", more than " indoctrination == brainwashing"
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Recently, I gained a first-hand understanding of the frustration of having to explain to a child that the game that was just bought for the child won't run on the child's computer due to some software incompatibility.
Before now, I had always assumed that by paying attention to logos on boxes, etc. it would be possible to avoid such problems. However, a child doesn't care about things like logos when shopping for games. Instead, a child cares about things like pictures on boxes. Once a child makes up his/her mind in a store that he/she wants a particular game, as a parent it's difficult to argue against a chosen game on the basis of lack of logos. Instead, it is sometimes easiest to just take a chance and buy the game (even if un-logoed) and hope that it will work.
Of course, a parent quickly learns that taking a chance often ends in the game-won't-work frustration that I mentioned earlier. What's a parent to do?
Enter consoles.
Consoles are great at solving this problem. During the shopping trip, a parent can simply say to his child "you can have any game as long as it's from the PlayStation section." When the child picks a game from the PlayStation section, the parent can be assured that the game will run and that there won't be any frustration.
Does this relate to Gentoo Games? Yes.
Bundling pre-integrated, no-install-required Linux in with a bootable game cd basically changes the experience of using a general purpose computer into the experience of using a gaming console. Just pop in the game cd and run, the same as when using a PlayStation. In both cases, the OS is invisible and irrelevant. Perfect.
Granted, there could still be considerable hardware incompatibility issues. However, at least the software incompability issues would be gone as they would have been resolved beforehand by the game developer. Given the pain that average computer users have when installing software on Linux, this could be a big advantage.
Perhaps Gentoo's compile-upon-install model could be leveraged to eliminate many of the hardware incompatibility issues by compiling some stuff to the needs of the hardware upon startup. On a network-enabled computer, the startup routine could even include a fetch of necessary drivers, etc.
Anyway, as a new buy-games-for-children parent, I appreciate anything that would make the experience of gaming on general purpose computers be more like the experience of gaming on consoles.
Games are a MONEY buisness. That means that they have to be distributed in binary form to have any change of copy protection. Otherise you'd sell one game and all Linux users would be playing with it. (Ok, only 90% but whatever) Couple that with Linux incalulatably small desktop market share and you have a truly dead "market" for first run commercial games. Don't expect COMMERCIAL developers to fall all over themselves to give you free goods.
Now it's not ALL doom and gloom. Actually the MMORPG situation may change that a bit, since you are absolutely dependant on a remote server, it's easy to "copy protect" the content. Then the client itself becomes free as it is completely useless without the server and your paid for user account. At that point all Linux needs it market share to make developing for it worth the effort.
If Linux hangs in there, it may happen some day. But all you have to do is look around and you can plainly see why there are "no" linux games and why there will not be any flood of new Linux games any time soon. Don't EXPECT charity. Make it yourself, use a gaming platform or take what you get.
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
No! No! No! Is ROT13 such a lost art?
The point is: "Wbva Gur Nezl!"
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Anyone, knowing reasonably well Daniel, here it is what i think about the post above : it has so much hate and lack of objectivity that speaks itself about the author's character (signicantly an anonymous coward)
Anyway two or three things must be said about gentoo and Daniel: like it or not Gentoo become the first breed of inovation in the Linux/Unixland in the last few years.
Gentoo is not a clone of any old liner *NIX or a clone ony other Linux distro ...
It is the first distro to give absolute power and control to the user/admin in a workable way - period
Passed the install process (beeing worked - check gentoo.org) there aren't anything on earth that compares to gentoo from a management point of view , and yes performance is awesome...
The cheer size of the community, the foruns at foruns.gentoo.org, the activity of the #gentoo-* irc channels should speak for itself (and should have made the poster think twice)...
1.4 isn 't *officially* out ? so what, the migration process from the current release candidates is a mere emerge -u world
Off course that there are *growing pains*, off course that sometimes there are discussions and misunderstandigs, but, is there any place/communitty (of humans) where that doesn 't happen ?
Bashing Daniel the way that was done, spreading FUD, blatant lyes in the middle, is not only infinitely unfair but also amazingly stupid
Daniel abdicated for an important period of time of basically having a life outside of gentoo to assemble not only a great distro but also a great and healthy community...
more: the above post is also an insult at all those that devote they 're times and minds to smoother gentoo
disclaimer: I do not have any, even remote, connection with Gentoo Games (to whom i which all the luck of this world), and yes i 'm biased towards gentoo, i use it all day and put it at my costumers boxes (my only problem is not having more time to dedicate towards it (gentoo the distro) directly), beiing that very rational choice that doesn 't make me any less objective than anyone else in this world!
If the author have any sense left of decency, please come here, not anonymalously, and apologise... One thing are personal diferences, that all we have, another totally different is trying to put a whole community in the mud
just my 2
Cheers from Portugal
The funny thing about microsoft, wether you like them or not, do sometimes have semi-decent ideas and indisputably marketable products. X-box is one of them, basicly assembling an off the shelf small PC dedicated for the purpose of game playing, using an OS, though it be trimmed down, that they already have a staff familar with.
Now... what's to stop someone from creating a compeating product, based on linux, without all the inhearent microsoft gayness? While I don't believe it's possible to actually make and market a product nearly so cost effective as the x-box, presently fetching roughly $180, it's been demonstrated that the game console community will pay over twice that something that that can't be replaced / upgrade / altered.
I see a linux based game console as being a very very marketable product, but part of the drawback is the lack of games for that particular platform, as well as relative ease of use.
But what it lacks in cutting edge titles... can be made up for in EMULATION to achive marketability. Lets face it, homes across the globe have in their attic Ataris, commodores, nintendos, segas, pretty much a whole slew of stuff. While this likely could be achieved on Xbox, it would be a pain in the butt due to microsoft's design of only running signed games.
Given the fact that people are willing to spend in excess of $180 for something that will become obsolete and unsupported, imagine the the looks on their faces when you say it can do more then a game console. Imagine their faces when you tell them, "oh yea, when the next generation comes out, all the stuff you bought will work with it, no problem". Oh and the ever popular *oh yea you can browse the web and check your e-mail too*.
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Why I think this would be cool?
The X-box's coolness is the fact it's *just a PC* excepting the fact that it's PC aspects are disabled. Otherwise I know a number of people and businesses who would quickly plop down $180 + the cost of a monitor to have something that can run microsoft word. Let's face it, the typical home user doesn't *need* high end cpu.
Wether this linbox be in the form of an X-box modified (legal questions pop up) or a newly marketed baby sized PC marketed as a game machine but PC ability.
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This is the reason I say *oh yea* the more games that are ported or created to linux. Each title makes it a more viable platorm.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
"Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a! "
- Sig
Hopefully Gentoo can succeed where other's have failed. I'm sick of saying "sorry, won't run on my machine"
Wow, how many years has it been since we had to have a "boot disk" in order to run games? That's not something I want to go back to.
Also, how could Linux geeks be in favor of rebooting their machine to play a game? You guys think dual-booting Windows for playing games is absurd, yet don't have any problem rebooting to play the game in Linux? Huh?
I know you're trying to be funny, but the really funny thing is: Portage works perfectly with binaries packages, and, lo and behold, UT2003-demo has been in there for months. I *WANT* more games installable with emerge, my man. Fast, easy, convenient, works out of the box. Enjoyable. It almost makes my life worth it despite all the VB I get at work.
-- B.
This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
I'll keep my money, and donate some to Gentoo and others who are advancing the cause of Freedom.
/. geeks with such sentiments.
I'll bet you a million dollars that you will never send one cent to Gentoo or any other OS project for that matter. Stop trying to impress all the
The point, IMHO, is to run it on a machine without an HDD.
So are you requiring each player to have a USB keychain to save his or her progress in the game? Or will you require players in a game to have a network connection and save their progress to a server that does have a HD?
Will I retire or break 10K?
http://gentoo.twobit.net/misc/aa-20030513.iso.torr ent
As soon as i finish the download and get America's Army extracted from cloop, I'll pack it into Loki's installer.
put the what in the where?
you can't open a PC CDROM drive while the PC is turned off...
Xbox neither. If I remember correctly (I own only a GameCube), the Xbox console's power-on button opens the drive door. Quite a few home stereos are like that as well.
Will I retire or break 10K?
www.jollix.de
it's a gentoo based liveCD,
it does the same with Half Life + mods,
you can play your windows install of hl,
beware of the german!
HAHA I remember the oh so vital dos boot disk, trying to squeeze everything into upper memory so you could get that ~612K free. Tweaking EMM386.EXE, HIMEM.SYS and MSCDEX which was the bane of my existence. Those were the days, the days that I didn't mind a Microsoft operating system.
Well that's the problem, son! You should have been using QEMM. EMM386 was total shit. LOADHI was nice, though. It was great when DOS 5 came along and you could load much of COMMAND.COM into high memory as well.
I remember working on a DOS app that needed a CD, mouse, 640x480x256 graphics, a 1 meg chunk of EMS, *and* about 600K of conventional memory. I was very very proud of being able to load MSCDEX, mouse driver, Netware drivers and the VESA driver and STILL have something like 620 meg free. Lord forbid I should have to change a single bit of configuration, though. That was another hour of hair-pulling frustration. (No, this product did NOT sell very well. Management never understood why.)
Those were the days, when programmers were MEN. Beat that box into submission!!
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
Weird. I rarely bother with /. (coz it's generally shit), but I noticed your original post, and now this one. Weird.
Don't they realize that all linux users are communist, and thus would never join the US army. ;)
And joined the Air Force...
Actually no, but current economy makes one pause for thought.
StarTux
If you want people to actually appreciate and contemplate your ideas, perhaps you need to learn the basics.
yawn. What a dumb idea.
Now... what's to stop someone from creating a compeating product, based on linux
Market viablity.
There are 3 consoles on the market now. Dreamcast, produced by Sega, a known gaming house with prior console experience (however you may feel about that experience) was released and failed.
Indreama, a console to be based on GNU/Linux, failed. Why? Inablity to raise funds.
A emulation console? Sounds fun. How are you going to find anything to sell/play on it? Game consoles are sold on the premise that all the money they lose/"don't make" on the console is made up by liscensing the ablity to create games for the system. The console is often sold at-price, or as low as they can, so that the install base is large enough that other content producers will bite and pay up to get liscensing/APIs for the console.
Of course, if all you want is a console running GNU/Linux, Sony sells a PS2 kit that'll run RedHat Linux
True, but then every package assumes your system is setup right.
Which *might* raise the level of user awareness to operate the system even more.
Is there an alternative package for gentoo?