It'd more than an hour. The purported restrictions say "1 hour before landing". Landing = touchdown, not deboarding. It's almost always at least another 15 minutes from touchdown before you're actually *off* the plane in the terminal.
vakuona was responding to the parent post, which said "Only thing that I can see save them now is to offer a Java based API and standard J2ME runtime."
His point was that verizon lost money from him as a customer - Verizon needs to institute better training/QA for their stores. Or just make up the loss from people leaving by increasing fees for simply holding the phone in your hands.
The prob is the people in the stores are powerless. Doesn't matter what they say. You'd need to record the phone calls with the reps on the 800 number ("for quality assurance purposes") but there's no way in hell we'll see smartphones being able to, you know, *record phone calls* any time soon.
It's a bit of a catch-22, because while it's still above that magical 1% mark, you'll do everything you can to cater to those people and make sure the site works 100% for them. This gives them far less reason to upgrade in the first place. And 1% of sales volume is likely pretty darn low, compared to the extra cost of ensuring a 100% experience for IE6. For someone selling $1,000,000 a year, that's $10,000 you're catering towards, when it likely costs more than that in developer time to futz with the site and testing for IE6. For many smaller businesses, a 1% loss, in order to ensure a better experience for everyone else, is usually acceptable.
"I mean, if you're going to be some kind of start-up search engine or "semantic company" (whatever that means), shouldn't Web spidering be your core competency? If you're going to differentiate yourself in the market, how can you buy spidering as a commodity?"
Raw spidering is pretty much a commodity already. You're issuing GET requests over HTTP (for the most part). The "semantic" stuff comes in to play analyzing the results and doing interesting things with raw information you get back. If people can spend more time focused on doing the 'interesting bits' and less time on having to scale up to pull in the raw data to analyze, they'll be better off for it and more likely to be able to focus on creating something new/interesting/distinguishing.
People (generally) don't write their own web servers, nor their own TCP/IP stacks, often don't write their own session handling logic, or security code. All of these things have been commoditized. Perhaps too many people are relying on 'cloud computing' these days, but hosting and storage 'in the cloud' is where all the cool kids are playing right now (I don't necessarily agree with it, and probably wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket myself, but others are doing so). Spidering may be the next frontier to get commoditized.
Perhaps not everyone is comfortable 'partnering' with Google for everything? If someone was going to work on developing the 'next big thing', would you rather invest in something where the people had spent an inordinate amount of time building network capacity up to do drone work, or used a service like 80legs, or built the prototypes on Google's servers? Depending on the project, any of those make sense, but I'd prefer to use a service like 80legs myself. They're small enough and hungry enough they should give top notch customer service at this stage, whereas Google's not going to give you a number to call for direct service (maybe they do if you're spending loads of money, but then you're back to wise use of money).
The P2P aspect of how they're doing the spidering may be clever, but I'd rather see a more direct use of data-center resources around the globe, rather than relying on a seti-like participation model.
Looks like some of it has been moved in to $HOME/.grails instead of each project directly.
I see webdefault.xml files (for jetty, might not be there if you don't use jetty - not sure) and standard "web.xml". Plugins are configured via XML, but there's rarely a need to touch those by hand. I've got ivy.xml files, not sure where those came from, and that's all I see *now* - I could swear there used to be a few more last year. There's still the option of wiring up Spring stuff manually, and you use XML for that, but the need for that seems to have gone down a lot from last year.
FWIW, there's still a load of XML config files (you probably already knew that!) it's just that following the convention of Grails they're automatically handled for you. There's probably fewer than an equivalently functional straight Java app, but there's still quite a few XML files - more than I care to see.
Still your point about discovering fun with Groovy and Grails is well taken. They were fun enough to inspire http://groovymag.com/ (shameless plug!):)
They're not asking for a credit check to buy the device, just to use the service. You can buy the device with cash if you want. To get on their network, you'll need to play their game. Or you can go to someone else's network, and play their game, which is pretty much the same as the first one, and so on...
Being scared may be just the motivation they need to keep innovating, and potentially culling some more fat. They dropped notebook and some other services last year, which, while a bit crappy for those of us using those services, was probably ultimately a good move which freed resource to be better spent elsewhere.
As we're all fond of saying, MS tends to get things right on the third try (or just eventually). MS themselves got scared enough a few years back to actually put together a good search engine this time. Yeah, it took them awhile, but they've got a decent chance of becoming a good alternative to Google again. I've used Bing as my main search system for about 4 days after launch, and it was fine. I find myself alternating between google and bing about once per day now.
What if MS was able to use Bing to get back to a 30-40% search market share in the next few years? That would certainly change the dynamics of the search field again, and I think it would be changed for the better.
This just reeks of desperation, to me. Five years ago I might have thought this a good idea, but damn if this just doesn't look like copying for copying's sake. There's already been some discussion of this around other sites, but here's a few issues off the top of my head:
* Consistency. Apple controls the hardware and software platforms, and will even now limit apps to certain platform versions (all new apps must be iPhone OS 3.0). Given that there's not a lot of consistency between various platforms that run "Java" (a cellphone, TV and a desktop, for example), this will end up being a logistical nightmare for Sun's QA/testing (assuming they do that) and a UI nightmare for people using the store.
* Limitedness. Sun likes to claim billions of Java 'installations' because of JavaME on cell phones. By and large, those aren't upgradeable. Additionally, many of the likely millions of desktops running Java aren't going to be candidates for upgrading or installing apps on due to Nor are many of the millions of desktops running Java in corporate environments. This seems to leave primarily the consumer/individusl and 'small business' market, which is what Apple targets for iPhone stuff. But even there, Apple's only focusing on an 'app store' for one piece of hardware, not an entire ecosystem.
Likely more details will emerge in the next few weeks, but this just feels like a JavaFX announcement - a copycat 'me too' announcement which is designed to get attention but ultimately won't go anywhere fast in the next year or so.
If it was limited to *only* work for Windows XP/Vista machines, for example, or just a new breed of televisions with embedded Java, I'd actually think it'd have a much more reasonable chance of success, especially as a first iteration of an 'app store'. But somehow I see Sun attempting to cover a much larger segment of the Java world right out of the gate, and I don't see that working.
Writers of documents with complex ordering formats can now specify a new paragraph and paragraph style attribute "outline level". This transforms a normal paragraph into a heading, independent of any list style or paragraph style.
Almost looks like it might be it, but I doubt it. They'd have just said "outline mode" if that's what they meant. Perhaps in another 5-6 years OOo will have an outline mode?
I'm torrenting it right now to try, but it will still take a bit of time. Anyone who's installed it care to set me straight?
They made it extensible with a standard port that hasn't changed too much over the years, and managed to get a bunch of other manufacturers to support it with extra gizmos and such (remotes, speakers, etc) from a very early point in the product's history. Anyone wanting to compete with ipods needs to have a plan for fwd hardware compatibility and a product ecosystem, not *just* focus on UI and 'features' in the product. One of the 'features' of an ipod is the ubiquity - any gadget I want has probably been fitted to work with the ipod already.
Doesn't seem to be an easy way to get biz connection. I've submitted forms a few times to them, which is (was?) the only way you can seem to contact them about getting a biz-class connection. They don't seem to want my business that much, but then, they don't really care. In my neighborhood, they're the only player for broadband. I live 4 miles from an Embarq regional headquarters building, and Embarq sees fit to send me glossy mailers to get me to sign up for DSL, *but they don't provide DSL service to my area*. They just provide annoying glossy mailer service.:/
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We at http://groovymag.com/ are trying to help with the recognition bit, although it does at times feel a bit like an uphill battle ;)
It'd more than an hour. The purported restrictions say "1 hour before landing". Landing = touchdown, not deboarding. It's almost always at least another 15 minutes from touchdown before you're actually *off* the plane in the terminal.
vakuona was responding to the parent post, which said "Only thing that I can see save them now is to offer a Java based API and standard J2ME runtime."
His point was that verizon lost money from him as a customer - Verizon needs to institute better training/QA for their stores. Or just make up the loss from people leaving by increasing fees for simply holding the phone in your hands.
The prob is the people in the stores are powerless. Doesn't matter what they say. You'd need to record the phone calls with the reps on the 800 number ("for quality assurance purposes") but there's no way in hell we'll see smartphones being able to, you know, *record phone calls* any time soon.
It's a bit of a catch-22, because while it's still above that magical 1% mark, you'll do everything you can to cater to those people and make sure the site works 100% for them. This gives them far less reason to upgrade in the first place. And 1% of sales volume is likely pretty darn low, compared to the extra cost of ensuring a 100% experience for IE6. For someone selling $1,000,000 a year, that's $10,000 you're catering towards, when it likely costs more than that in developer time to futz with the site and testing for IE6. For many smaller businesses, a 1% loss, in order to ensure a better experience for everyone else, is usually acceptable.
And both Frank Zammetti (posted a comment below) and Jay Garcia (the one you mentioned) have contributed pieces to JSMag about ExtJS :)
Why the switch away from Dojo to ExtJS in the first place, if you don't mind my asking? And why not move back to Dojo instead of YUI?
a "Document Operating System".
"I mean, if you're going to be some kind of start-up search engine or "semantic company" (whatever that means), shouldn't Web spidering be your core competency? If you're going to differentiate yourself in the market, how can you buy spidering as a commodity?"
Raw spidering is pretty much a commodity already. You're issuing GET requests over HTTP (for the most part). The "semantic" stuff comes in to play analyzing the results and doing interesting things with raw information you get back. If people can spend more time focused on doing the 'interesting bits' and less time on having to scale up to pull in the raw data to analyze, they'll be better off for it and more likely to be able to focus on creating something new/interesting/distinguishing.
People (generally) don't write their own web servers, nor their own TCP/IP stacks, often don't write their own session handling logic, or security code. All of these things have been commoditized. Perhaps too many people are relying on 'cloud computing' these days, but hosting and storage 'in the cloud' is where all the cool kids are playing right now (I don't necessarily agree with it, and probably wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket myself, but others are doing so). Spidering may be the next frontier to get commoditized.
Perhaps not everyone is comfortable 'partnering' with Google for everything? If someone was going to work on developing the 'next big thing', would you rather invest in something where the people had spent an inordinate amount of time building network capacity up to do drone work, or used a service like 80legs, or built the prototypes on Google's servers? Depending on the project, any of those make sense, but I'd prefer to use a service like 80legs myself. They're small enough and hungry enough they should give top notch customer service at this stage, whereas Google's not going to give you a number to call for direct service (maybe they do if you're spending loads of money, but then you're back to wise use of money).
The P2P aspect of how they're doing the spidering may be clever, but I'd rather see a more direct use of data-center resources around the globe, rather than relying on a seti-like participation model.
"chomping" is correct too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_(horse)
That was my first thought too. I did get back something closer to 11 gig, not the 7 some others reported (and what Apple says on their website).
Looks like some of it has been moved in to $HOME/.grails instead of each project directly. I see webdefault.xml files (for jetty, might not be there if you don't use jetty - not sure) and standard "web.xml". Plugins are configured via XML, but there's rarely a need to touch those by hand. I've got ivy.xml files, not sure where those came from, and that's all I see *now* - I could swear there used to be a few more last year. There's still the option of wiring up Spring stuff manually, and you use XML for that, but the need for that seems to have gone down a lot from last year.
FWIW, there's still a load of XML config files (you probably already knew that!) it's just that following the convention of Grails they're automatically handled for you. There's probably fewer than an equivalently functional straight Java app, but there's still quite a few XML files - more than I care to see. Still your point about discovering fun with Groovy and Grails is well taken. They were fun enough to inspire http://groovymag.com/ (shameless plug!) :)
They're not asking for a credit check to buy the device, just to use the service. You can buy the device with cash if you want. To get on their network, you'll need to play their game. Or you can go to someone else's network, and play their game, which is pretty much the same as the first one, and so on...
Being scared may be just the motivation they need to keep innovating, and potentially culling some more fat. They dropped notebook and some other services last year, which, while a bit crappy for those of us using those services, was probably ultimately a good move which freed resource to be better spent elsewhere.
As we're all fond of saying, MS tends to get things right on the third try (or just eventually). MS themselves got scared enough a few years back to actually put together a good search engine this time. Yeah, it took them awhile, but they've got a decent chance of becoming a good alternative to Google again. I've used Bing as my main search system for about 4 days after launch, and it was fine. I find myself alternating between google and bing about once per day now.
What if MS was able to use Bing to get back to a 30-40% search market share in the next few years? That would certainly change the dynamics of the search field again, and I think it would be changed for the better.
True, but a 1541 is at least original Commodore equipment.
This just reeks of desperation, to me. Five years ago I might have thought this a good idea, but damn if this just doesn't look like copying for copying's sake. There's already been some discussion of this around other sites, but here's a few issues off the top of my head:
* Consistency. Apple controls the hardware and software platforms, and will even now limit apps to certain platform versions (all new apps must be iPhone OS 3.0). Given that there's not a lot of consistency between various platforms that run "Java" (a cellphone, TV and a desktop, for example), this will end up being a logistical nightmare for Sun's QA/testing (assuming they do that) and a UI nightmare for people using the store.
* Limitedness. Sun likes to claim billions of Java 'installations' because of JavaME on cell phones. By and large, those aren't upgradeable. Additionally, many of the likely millions of desktops running Java aren't going to be candidates for upgrading or installing apps on due to Nor are many of the millions of desktops running Java in corporate environments. This seems to leave primarily the consumer/individusl and 'small business' market, which is what Apple targets for iPhone stuff. But even there, Apple's only focusing on an 'app store' for one piece of hardware, not an entire ecosystem.
Likely more details will emerge in the next few weeks, but this just feels like a JavaFX announcement - a copycat 'me too' announcement which is designed to get attention but ultimately won't go anywhere fast in the next year or so.
If it was limited to *only* work for Windows XP/Vista machines, for example, or just a new breed of televisions with embedded Java, I'd actually think it'd have a much more reasonable chance of success, especially as a first iteration of an 'app store'. But somehow I see Sun attempting to cover a much larger segment of the Java world right out of the gate, and I don't see that working.
I suspect it still doesn't have an outline mode.
From the new features page:
Outline levels within paragraphs
Writers of documents with complex ordering formats can now specify a new paragraph and paragraph style attribute "outline level". This transforms a normal paragraph into a heading, independent of any list style or paragraph style.
Almost looks like it might be it, but I doubt it. They'd have just said "outline mode" if that's what they meant. Perhaps in another 5-6 years OOo will have an outline mode?
I'm torrenting it right now to try, but it will still take a bit of time. Anyone who's installed it care to set me straight?
It's pronounced "newkyaler" - the S is silent.
# Insert optional configurations by project (and not by host);
-1 You can already do this via .htaccess sans security resourse limits which should be per host on shared hosting.
They made it extensible with a standard port that hasn't changed too much over the years, and managed to get a bunch of other manufacturers to support it with extra gizmos and such (remotes, speakers, etc) from a very early point in the product's history. Anyone wanting to compete with ipods needs to have a plan for fwd hardware compatibility and a product ecosystem, not *just* focus on UI and 'features' in the product. One of the 'features' of an ipod is the ubiquity - any gadget I want has probably been fitted to work with the ipod already.
Doesn't seem to be an easy way to get biz connection. I've submitted forms a few times to them, which is (was?) the only way you can seem to contact them about getting a biz-class connection. They don't seem to want my business that much, but then, they don't really care. In my neighborhood, they're the only player for broadband. I live 4 miles from an Embarq regional headquarters building, and Embarq sees fit to send me glossy mailers to get me to sign up for DSL, *but they don't provide DSL service to my area*. They just provide annoying glossy mailer service. :/
http://www.igniterealtime.org/issues/browse/JM-1212
This bit me last year, and it's apparently still not fixed. :(
*THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!*
Oh wait, then Google News wouldn't have any content and no one would end up going to Google News anymore. Hrm...