But it doesn't address Sun's long-term problems: they aren't competitive in terms of hardware and they can't make money from Java.
Well, perhaps with Opteron they might become competitive w/ hardware.
And at least the *real* performance of Opteron is a refreshing change from the old Sun habit of relying on myth and illusion to sell their hardware. Now they reserve that role to the OS alone, we'll see how long that will last;-).
All the users of non-exotic archs could very well sick with the version they already have. You can't say that is any less true than your argument, but it is just as silly.
Most of the Linux users use non-exotic architectures. If exotic architectures hinder debian development, something should be done. Actually, there should be a "Debian-oddball" distribution for them, where the volunteers who care about such things would follow the mainstream debian development.
I agree. All the users of exotic archs could very well stick with the version they already have. Or use NetBSD or whatever.
Also, I think that a source-based distribution would be better for non-mainstream architectures. Architectures that matter in this day and age are i386, AMD64, IA64 and PPC.
Symbian was designed for devices with small memory. This, unfortunately, comes at a price - even doing simple string operations can be quite a chore. Memory is really cheap these days, so its advantage is diminishing
I've read this very statement before on/., and yet again I'm replying...
The string (or descriptor, as Symbian calls them) handling on Symbian C++ just rocks compared to char*, because it carries the length around. They are used instead of std::string because the C++ that Symbian was written with didn't support STL. Once you grok the descriptors, you learn to like them.
The coding is still mostly done in C++, which does suck, but these systems need to be snappy to appeal to end users.
A message to the Symbian guys, if any of you are reading: when, oh when will you
1) Switch to modern version of GCC?
2) Port the SDK's to native Linux? It irks me to have to use Windows to develop Symbian software...
There's nothing evil about applying for frivilous patents. If the USPTO is stupid enough to grant such patents (and we all know it is), go for it.
What's evil, however, is enforcing such patents. But there is another side to the same coin - if enough idiotic patents are enforced, perhaps, just perhaps, people will start seeing that the system doesn't make any sense. And when the patents are used to attack annoying companies like SCO, all the better.
Can you smell the money pouring into Linux these days? The excitement is clearly in the air, with everyone noticing that Linux is, indeed the platform of the future, and a lot of money will be made in the business.
Even if the excitement got out of hand and reached a dot-bomb like state, the fruits of all the money poured into Linux would still be available in the form of source code, instead of getting lost in the archives of dead companies.
Even with all the crap regarding SCO, I can't help but feel extremely optimistic after these news, and the release of RHEL 3.0.
only not suitable for servers because it's like Debian unstable, with no version ever hitting stable
I guess it's mostly for desktops and non-production/enthusiast/experimental servers. For production servers, you can easily persuade the management to shell out for RHEL ES. Many hardware vendors don's support other versions anyway.
We'll see how Debian will do in the future. It has a good opportunity to become the free server OS alternative of choice, if hardware vendors start certifying their hardware with it. Next version of debian w/ OO.o 1.1, KDE 3.x and Gnome 2.4 will certainly kick ass on the desktop also, here's to hoping it will happen before 2005.
Quite on the contrary, this move proves that Open Source is good enough to be sold for a premium. The price is no longer the sole issue. The openness is still there.
You can go ahead and create a disto based on the packages in RHEL, just remove all the RH copyrighted stuff. Obviously it won't be supported by Red Hat, but you can sell support for it yourself, and nothing illegal is happening. The different thing is whether ppl would rather pay red hat a bit more for support, because they have enough infrastructure to provide it.
A new command line for Windows will be great for anybody that wants to do a bit of scripting on Windows.
Yes, it always felt "wrong" somehow to use a real, proven scripting language like Python on Windows. I guess I was just waiting for some new language that was designed by the whizkids at redmond, by microsofties, for microsofties.
Perhaps now I can rewrite some of those 2000-line BAT and CMD files in another scripting language that runs *native* on windows. Accept no substitutes, only the microsofties know what is *really* good for us.
(Yes, this is a repost, I screwed up w/ the other version).
Microsoft Virtual PC is a powerful software virtualization solution that allows you to run multiple PC-based operating systems simultaneously on one workstation, providing a safety net to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while you migrate to a new operating system.
After saying that, it would be kinda embarrassing to mention that it supports Linux.
In what way is the Linux IP stack "more powerful", and how would that make a difference to P2P and MP3's?
It's mostly a hunch, but networking on Linux seems to be faster and less resource-hungry. I don't know how much this relates to general resource consumption of the OS.
As far as P2P, it stresses the networking subsystem quite a lot. Various eDonkey clients, for example, can and will use hundreds of connections at once. And MP3 playback is intimately tied to P2P, obviously;-).
And banks would be going bankrupt pretty fucking quickly if they followed your idiotic logic.
That's because banks operate on a scarce resource (money). Knowledge/code/data is a scarce resource only artificially, and therefore sharing it increases the total amount that is available.
Obviously, this reduces the bottom line of huge corporations that charge lots of money of what should/could/is starting to be a commodity (OS and Office Suite vendors). Most of them are in the US (MSFT and SUNW), so Europe doesn't really have that much motivation to preserve their status. Europe loses nothing and gains jobs, expertise, openness and wealth.
This all is just wonderful. Public money is invested in migrating systems to Linux, and the findings are give back to the public. Each migration team will learn the lessons of the previous one. What's more, the private sector can learn from the findings and mistakes of the public sector.
This marks the beginning of a new Europe. Now we should just start teaching Python at elementary schools, and we could be kicking some serious US ass as far IT goes:-).
I think the NY Times needs to do an article on phase cooling or water cooling.
Actually, once these miniboxes become cheap & commonplace, there is no need for watercooling. Living rooms will have the silent computer you can use for server tasks and random web access, while the gaming machine can keep a little bit noise because it's not on all the time.
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We *know* you want to show everybody how big a pain in the ass you are and that someone should just buy you out. It's just not going to happen.
I'm also starting to hope that Boies will share the cell...
But it doesn't address Sun's long-term problems: they aren't competitive in terms of hardware and they can't make money from Java.
;-).
Well, perhaps with Opteron they might become competitive w/ hardware.
And at least the *real* performance of Opteron is a refreshing change from the old Sun habit of relying on myth and illusion to sell their hardware. Now they reserve that role to the OS alone, we'll see how long that will last
All the users of non-exotic archs could very well sick with the version they already have. You can't say that is any less true than your argument, but it is just as silly.
Most of the Linux users use non-exotic architectures. If exotic architectures hinder debian development, something should be done. Actually, there should be a "Debian-oddball" distribution for them, where the volunteers who care about such things would follow the mainstream debian development.
Fork for architectures
I agree. All the users of exotic archs could very well stick with the version they already have. Or use NetBSD or whatever.
Also, I think that a source-based distribution would be better for non-mainstream architectures. Architectures that matter in this day and age are i386, AMD64, IA64 and PPC.
However, would one actually need to be dissatisfied to create such a distro? Isn't imitation the highest form of flattery?
Because Windows contains some of that infringing code?
Boy, your faith in the benevolence of MSFT is remarkable.
Symbian was designed for devices with small memory. This, unfortunately, comes at a price - even doing simple string operations can be quite a chore. Memory is really cheap these days, so its advantage is diminishing
/., and yet again I'm replying...
I've read this very statement before on
The string (or descriptor, as Symbian calls them) handling on Symbian C++ just rocks compared to char*, because it carries the length around. They are used instead of std::string because the C++ that Symbian was written with didn't support STL. Once you grok the descriptors, you learn to like them.
The coding is still mostly done in C++, which does suck, but these systems need to be snappy to appeal to end users.
A message to the Symbian guys, if any of you are reading: when, oh when will you
1) Switch to modern version of GCC?
2) Port the SDK's to native Linux? It irks me to have to use Windows to develop Symbian software...
Is IBM evil now, or still good.
There's nothing evil about applying for frivilous patents. If the USPTO is stupid enough to grant such patents (and we all know it is), go for it.
What's evil, however, is enforcing such patents. But there is another side to the same coin - if enough idiotic patents are enforced, perhaps, just perhaps, people will start seeing that the system doesn't make any sense. And when the patents are used to attack annoying companies like SCO, all the better.
That speaks a lot towards motives in bringing the lawsuit.
Yes, and what motivates them to flail around, trying to appear as dangerous and destructive as possible.
"We don't want to destroy Linux, but if it happens, tough luck".
I sure hope their lawyers would end up in the same PMITA prison, but what are the odds of that happening?
I read somewhere that the default package management is now APT but cannot confirm this.
Nope, it's Yum.
Can you smell the money pouring into Linux these days? The excitement is clearly in the air, with everyone noticing that Linux is, indeed the platform of the future, and a lot of money will be made in the business.
Even if the excitement got out of hand and reached a dot-bomb like state, the fruits of all the money poured into Linux would still be available in the form of source code, instead of getting lost in the archives of dead companies.
Even with all the crap regarding SCO, I can't help but feel extremely optimistic after these news, and the release of RHEL 3.0.
shouldn't this read "RH non-GPL stuff"
Yes.
only not suitable for servers because it's like Debian unstable, with no version ever hitting stable
I guess it's mostly for desktops and non-production/enthusiast/experimental servers. For production servers, you can easily persuade the management to shell out for RHEL ES. Many hardware vendors don's support other versions anyway.
We'll see how Debian will do in the future. It has a good opportunity to become the free server OS alternative of choice, if hardware vendors start certifying their hardware with it. Next version of debian w/ OO.o 1.1, KDE 3.x and Gnome 2.4 will certainly kick ass on the desktop also, here's to hoping it will happen before 2005.
going opensource is not for every company.
Quite on the contrary, this move proves that Open Source is good enough to be sold for a premium. The price is no longer the sole issue. The openness is still there.
You can go ahead and create a disto based on the packages in RHEL, just remove all the RH copyrighted stuff. Obviously it won't be supported by Red Hat, but you can sell support for it yourself, and nothing illegal is happening. The different thing is whether ppl would rather pay red hat a bit more for support, because they have enough infrastructure to provide it.
Fedora is still going to be around, which will most likely fill the gap left by the death of non-enterprise RedHat
It doesn't fill the gap of non-enterprise red hat - it is the non-enterprise red hat. Think of it as Red Hat gone debian.
A new command line for Windows will be great for anybody that wants to do a bit of scripting on Windows.
Yes, it always felt "wrong" somehow to use a real, proven scripting language like Python on Windows. I guess I was just waiting for some new language that was designed by the whizkids at redmond, by microsofties, for microsofties.
Perhaps now I can rewrite some of those 2000-line BAT and CMD files in another scripting language that runs *native* on windows. Accept no substitutes, only the microsofties know what is *really* good for us.
(Yes, this is a repost, I screwed up w/ the other version).
Me too!
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The excitement over this new release hit the beleaguered BSD community like a bombshell.
From the MSFT web site:
Microsoft Virtual PC is a powerful software virtualization solution that allows you to run multiple PC-based operating systems simultaneously on one workstation, providing a safety net to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while you migrate to a new operating system.
After saying that, it would be kinda embarrassing to mention that it supports Linux.
In what way is the Linux IP stack "more powerful", and how would that make a difference to P2P and MP3's?
;-).
It's mostly a hunch, but networking on Linux seems to be faster and less resource-hungry. I don't know how much this relates to general resource consumption of the OS.
As far as P2P, it stresses the networking subsystem quite a lot. Various eDonkey clients, for example, can and will use hundreds of connections at once. And MP3 playback is intimately tied to P2P, obviously
How about the problem where they can't install that new Quicken version they just bought at wal*mart ?
Wal*mart will surely take back the copy.
Surf the net, do some hotmail, check some porn sites, maybe write a letter in OOo.
Don't forget P2P and listening to MP3. Both are adequately covered in Linux. Perhaps even better, because of the more powerful TCP/IP stack.
And banks would be going bankrupt pretty fucking quickly if they followed your idiotic logic.
That's because banks operate on a scarce resource (money). Knowledge/code/data is a scarce resource only artificially, and therefore sharing it increases the total amount that is available.
Obviously, this reduces the bottom line of huge corporations that charge lots of money of what should/could/is starting to be a commodity (OS and Office Suite vendors). Most of them are in the US (MSFT and SUNW), so Europe doesn't really have that much motivation to preserve their status. Europe loses nothing and gains jobs, expertise, openness and wealth.
This all is just wonderful. Public money is invested in migrating systems to Linux, and the findings are give back to the public. Each migration team will learn the lessons of the previous one. What's more, the private sector can learn from the findings and mistakes of the public sector.
:-).
This marks the beginning of a new Europe. Now we should just start teaching Python at elementary schools, and we could be kicking some serious US ass as far IT goes
I think the NY Times needs to do an article on phase cooling or water cooling.
Actually, once these miniboxes become cheap & commonplace, there is no need for watercooling. Living rooms will have the silent computer you can use for server tasks and random web access, while the gaming machine can keep a little bit noise because it's not on all the time.