Obviously Sun is soon going to be selling 64-way itanium machines running 64-bit Windows, while SCO kills of any semblance of UNIX, BSD and Linux business out there to let Microsoft rule the world, once and for all.
They don't need to kill Unix or BSD, they are not their competition. Linux is. Unix is dying anyway (the next generation of Linuxes running Linux 2.6 will all but finish it off) and nobody is going to jump Solaris for another Unix. MSFT and Sun share their common enemy: Sun->Linux migration is much easier that Windows->Linux migration. I bet McNealy and Ballmer had fun in the get-together arranged by SCO.
Actually, to some extent it even appears that Sun is starting to get the clue, as they are starting to take a hard look at AMD64. Perhaps this is an indication that their reality-distortion field is starting to fracture, and at some point they might finally get the clue and jump Solaris also.
(Not that I really believe they are clueless - they know the drill, but are just trying to show a brave face to keep the customers they still have, perhaps milk them for some more money to keep them going. As always, it's the ones who are bying that are stupid, not the ones that are selling).
Well, you would still have to PAY them to certify it
It might be cheaper, at least. Most of the work is already done, after all. And something like Oracle might want to certify it for free, just to get to a larger market.
Anyone considering just taking their kick-ass kernel and installing it on a free Linux variant? It's GPL so it would be 100% legal, anyway... or would you need to take some other stuff like their glibc also?
Mr. Debian, are you listening? This might be a good way to accelerate the ISV verification process... they will verify their projects with RHEL, so if you have the same kernel, same glibc etc., you could quite easily persuade them to verify their product on *your* distro also.
Linux has no place on Server. Period. Solaris is industrial strength, mature, stable and rock-solid. It has the "secret sauce" that even SCO doesn't know of. It brings Value to Enterprise, unlike that hobbyist jalopy OS. After all, it's about Systems. Now you can use commodity x86 hardware with the OS made in heaven.
And yeah, almost forgot, lots of mobile phones run Java.
BBC News reports in an article that a microchip implanted in your body may be the end of swallowing pills.
Finally! The last obstacle to the ascendance of human race to a godlike status, namely, swallowing pills, is conquered. This is indeed a great day to be alive!
Actually, on equal hardware, dealing with files is faster on Linux. Linux does the caching thing a lot better than other systems. I ran a simple benchmark (random access writes/reads on a large file) w/ Linux, Windows and HP-UX. Linux was 30 times faster than Windows. HP-UX was as slow as windows. And the Linux machine had the slowest CPU and disk.
Yes mr admin you are ssssssssoooo smart with your cp command.
Yeah, 'cp' is pretty much rocket science to you MSFT fanboys.
When ALL you know is one thing do not asume others do not know how to do it better somewhere else...
"Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reimplement it, poorly"
very practical and a great way to pollute your system with proprietary crap. In other words it's great for open source advocates and evil for free software advocates (myself included).
If the 1% of proprietary crap on your system makes it usable, with the option being a 100% proprietary environment, I'm all for the little bit of proprietary crap. If proprietary stuff brings more users, more and better Free Software will be developed.
For very contorted definition of real men. OOP requires higher degree of abstract thought than assembler, and obviously not everyone can hack it. Assembler, Fortran and Visual Basic are for people whose brain can't handle abstraction, but rather just want to get their hands dirty doing stuff. People who would rather do than think what they are doing. Others take delight in creating abstract architectures and systems that Last.
Obviously many self-proclaimed C++ programmers belong in the assembler group, rather than the OOP group (where Python/Java/Smalltalk people dwell).
std::vector already does this. How about using it?
I don't think it does. STL does very little checking in general, because it has to be blazingly fast in order to not be ignored by C++ mainstream (for which performance is everything, never mind the development costs).
Besides, a lot of people who program C++ have to program in environments ( == old compilers) where such pansy features as STL, RTTI or exceptions are not available.
Mr. Yarro said: "I know I've been painted in a rough light. I hope that our companies are our legacy and not our lawsuits."
You bet. After a while, nobody will remember Canopy from anything else than their lawsuits. And I also hope that Yarro and friends have a nice little cell in their PMITA prison, preferably with a hugely popular LUG consisting mainly of ethnic guys who work out a lot.
Damn, the whole SCO management could make an entertaining episode of Oz.
Isn't it funny that some time ago, Linux wasn't "good enough" for the enterprise, but nowadays, Linux is "evil" because it is too good and marginalizes the operating system as a revenue provider? I recall that a while ago, some f*wits at the SCO get-together complained that creating a compiler isn't profitable anymore, because of gcc.
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Obviously Sun is soon going to be selling 64-way itanium machines running 64-bit Windows, while SCO kills of any semblance of UNIX, BSD and Linux business out there to let Microsoft rule the world, once and for all.
They don't need to kill Unix or BSD, they are not their competition. Linux is. Unix is dying anyway (the next generation of Linuxes running Linux 2.6 will all but finish it off) and nobody is going to jump Solaris for another Unix. MSFT and Sun share their common enemy: Sun->Linux migration is much easier that Windows->Linux migration. I bet McNealy and Ballmer had fun in the get-together arranged by SCO.
Actually, to some extent it even appears that Sun is starting to get the clue, as they are starting to take a hard look at AMD64. Perhaps this is an indication that their reality-distortion field is starting to fracture, and at some point they might finally get the clue and jump Solaris also.
(Not that I really believe they are clueless - they know the drill, but are just trying to show a brave face to keep the customers they still have, perhaps milk them for some more money to keep them going. As always, it's the ones who are bying that are stupid, not the ones that are selling).
They are obviosly need all the "Art of War" knowledge they can get at the moment.
Though Lao-tse is not quite on the same page...
But I thought Sun didn't have a Linux strategy...
Obviously they do have a Linux strategy, in the same sense as MSFT has a Linux strategy.
Perhaps they can now focus on expanding their co-operation with SCO.
Well, you would still have to PAY them to certify it
It might be cheaper, at least. Most of the work is already done, after all. And something like Oracle might want to certify it for free, just to get to a larger market.
Anyone considering just taking their kick-ass kernel and installing it on a free Linux variant? It's GPL so it would be 100% legal, anyway... or would you need to take some other stuff like their glibc also?
Mr. Debian, are you listening? This might be a good way to accelerate the ISV verification process... they will verify their projects with RHEL, so if you have the same kernel, same glibc etc., you could quite easily persuade them to verify their product on *your* distro also.
Excellent. Multiple concurrent downloads of lots and lots of pictures, if you know what I mean....
:-)
Actually, the fastest way to distribute static content does not use threads that much, if at all. It's a simple select loop. See Twisted.
Or were you talking about RHEL WS and *downloading* the pr0n, instead of serving it?
ESR is a shameless pseud whose knowledge of real Zen buddhism would fit on the back of a postage stamp
All there is to know about Zen fits on the back of a postage stamp.
well substantiated, keep it up.
Come on, people, it was *obviously* a joke. Or a parody, at least.
Linux has no place on Server. Period. Solaris is industrial strength, mature, stable and rock-solid. It has the "secret sauce" that even SCO doesn't know of. It brings Value to Enterprise, unlike that hobbyist jalopy OS. After all, it's about Systems. Now you can use commodity x86 hardware with the OS made in heaven.
And yeah, almost forgot, lots of mobile phones run Java.
BBC News reports in an article that a microchip implanted in your body may be the end of swallowing pills.
Finally! The last obstacle to the ascendance of human race to a godlike status, namely, swallowing pills, is conquered. This is indeed a great day to be alive!
Yes just as fast as sayyyyyyyyyyyy
xcopy filename newfilename
Actually, on equal hardware, dealing with files is faster on Linux. Linux does the caching thing a lot better than other systems. I ran a simple benchmark (random access writes/reads on a large file) w/ Linux, Windows and HP-UX. Linux was 30 times faster than Windows. HP-UX was as slow as windows. And the Linux machine had the slowest CPU and disk.
Yes mr admin you are ssssssssoooo smart with your cp command.
Yeah, 'cp' is pretty much rocket science to you MSFT fanboys.
When ALL you know is one thing do not asume others do not know how to do it better somewhere else...
"Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reimplement it, poorly"
very practical and a great way to pollute your system with proprietary crap. In other words it's great for open source advocates and evil for free software advocates (myself included).
If the 1% of proprietary crap on your system makes it usable, with the option being a 100% proprietary environment, I'm all for the little bit of proprietary crap. If proprietary stuff brings more users, more and better Free Software will be developed.
Rather, it's "insightful". Let the bank of canada feel how they are compensated for dealing with the terrorists.
:-).
I almost wish I had an account (or other business) there, so I could cancel it
I think the reason some believe Sun in on SCO's side
What kind of proof would you need, apart from them being one of the two main sponsors of the lawsuit?
Sun have never formed a coherent strategy about linux. Their statements re. linux seem to be a mix of hostility, skepticism and euphoria.
Seems like something they are really, *really* afraid of. Their sponsoring of SCO really removed all the doubt of where Sun stands at the moment.
However, companies can change strategies and once some of the Schwarzes and Scotts are kicked out, we could evidence a friendier, less evil SUNW.
Real men code in assembler.
For very contorted definition of real men. OOP requires higher degree of abstract thought than assembler, and obviously not everyone can hack it. Assembler, Fortran and Visual Basic are for people whose brain can't handle abstraction, but rather just want to get their hands dirty doing stuff. People who would rather do than think what they are doing. Others take delight in creating abstract architectures and systems that Last.
Obviously many self-proclaimed C++ programmers belong in the assembler group, rather than the OOP group (where Python/Java/Smalltalk people dwell).
std::vector already does this. How about using it?
I don't think it does. STL does very little checking in general, because it has to be blazingly fast in order to not be ignored by C++ mainstream (for which performance is everything, never mind the development costs).
Besides, a lot of people who program C++ have to program in environments ( == old compilers) where such pansy features as STL, RTTI or exceptions are not available.
Speaking of C++, is there a compiler that complies with the ISO standard already? Does anyone use it?
I'm sure Mr. Yarro would love to see Linux survice, just as much as Microsoft would have loved to see Netscape survive
To me, the whole statement seems extremely arrogant. "Sure, I would want your family to survive, but what can I do?".
Mr. Yarro said: "I know I've been painted in a rough light. I hope that our companies are our legacy and not our lawsuits."
You bet. After a while, nobody will remember Canopy from anything else than their lawsuits. And I also hope that Yarro and friends have a nice little cell in their PMITA prison, preferably with a hugely popular LUG consisting mainly of ethnic guys who work out a lot.
Damn, the whole SCO management could make an entertaining episode of Oz.
Against what?
MSFT dominance, proprietary Unixen. What more do you want?
Isn't it funny that some time ago, Linux wasn't "good enough" for the enterprise, but nowadays, Linux is "evil" because it is too good and marginalizes the operating system as a revenue provider? I recall that a while ago, some f*wits at the SCO get-together complained that creating a compiler isn't profitable anymore, because of gcc.
Anyway, it seems like we are winning.
Virtual server providers use FreeBSD jails
Death row?
Yes, it's late here.
A totally new XFree... or should I say Xouvert integrated into the kernel!
Throw in Apache, Postgresql and Tuxracer also!