Sun's been making noises about being able to distribute the Linux kernel irrespective of the outcome of the IBM/SCO battle, if I read the news right.
You didn't read the news right. Sun has repeated several times that they indemnify Solaris customers, not Linux customers. Linux customers are on their own.
FreeBSD is not superior to Linux. On the other hand, Linux is not superior to FreeBSD. They both have different priorities and goals, and to claim one is better than the other is complete nonsense.
Exactly. That never stopped all the FreeBSD fanboys from describing FreeBSD as superior, possessing some intangible quality of superiority that Linux would never reach.
You're evaluation of Solaris is short-sighted, I'm afraid.
I don't think so. Solaris has all the whizbang features right now, but they aren't important enough to most people to justify using it instead of non-proprietary Linux. And Linux will have all these features, with time.
Also, what were the benchmarks for Linux running full SMP on 100+ CPU's?
Not necessary, a dual processor x86 box can do the same thing;-).
Also, what were the benchmarks for Linux running full SMP on 100+ CPU's?
32 CPUs is good enough for most purposes, and as far as systems bigger than that go, I don't really care. And neither does 95% of the industry. SGI and Fujitsu have some large scale Linux SMP machines, though I don't know whether they are single system image setups.
I think it's generally established that Solaris or FreeBSD for example, are technically superior to linux, however,
No, they aren't. FreeBSD is not superior to Linux, even if FreeBSD advocates like to tell you so. Hell, if it was indeed superior to Linux, they could scrap Linux altogether, fork FreeBSD under the GPL, and build on that. FreeBSD just recently got SMP, for chrissakes. Constantly repeating the superiority of FreeBSD (which the advocates insist on doing) doesn't necessarily make it so.
And as far as Solaris goes, it's just a matter of time. One has to be pretty short sighted to expect Solaris to thrive in the future - already it is considered a "legacy" OS, to be replaced by a Linux/Windows box after a while.
Note, too, that most of the readers of tech-site interviews are not as discerning as you. They are looking for "news" or "answers" -- and quickly. No one browses OSNews in anticipation of savoring the linguistic bons mots of some proto-Hemingway.
Indeed. Q & A format is great, because it lets you absorb all the necessary information quickly, possibly skipping boring questions. Reading an interview where the interviewer tries to be creative, using phrases like "he said", is a drag.
Is it just me, or does Australia simply rule? It seems that they make a sensible thing after a sensible thing, seem to be enthusiastic on the Linux front, and generally kick ass? Will Australia be a leading ICT power after a while? US is, well, US and EU seems to be very slow in it's movement.
And as far as spammers go, I wouldn't blink an eye if they were thrown into a pound-me-in-the-ass prison in Siberia. They abuse the "freedom of speech" to make soem easy profit while harrassing general populace, while the freedom of speech that matters is generally not a problem unless you search for such information.
A generalized document/file security & decryption service actually makes some sense.
And it should be pretty simple to develop, too. They should build something like this in the context of freedesktop.org, and see the apps follow. MSFT has the authority to make "standards" in the own area, but *n*x-GUI scene has no instance with an equivalent role.
think people fed up with MS BS may finally start to do something about it.
Yep. MSFT cooked up all these schemes before they realized that they have some viable competition, and therefore can't pull all the tricks they might want to.
However, I assume that a DRM-protected document is not meant to be in wide circulation, and on the other hand inter-corporate stuff will remain as normal pgp/whatever encrypted docs...
Just when the whole world seems to be going mad (SCO, RIAA,...), and one day you look at news: yet another major Linux *desktop* win, the postponement of the EU patent vote, more news about the Asian Linux development project... it almost seems like things will be going up again! Horrors of the summer are behind us, and the autumn brings on a new light!
Incidentally, it seems that most of the bad news seem to be coming from US, while the rest of the world is moving forward. Now what was the old world/new world again...
Honestly, I don't see Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson (Sony) switching to Linux.
Obviously. The interesting thing would be, whether they will be increasing their usage of Java (which works alongside Symbian). So far, Java is very much a second-class citizen in the Symbian world.
. But if they were open source. Think of the posiblitlys. ahhh to dream of a day when all is free to tweak:)
They are free to tweak already. You can download a public SDK for various Symbian OS versions, and build applications for your phone (3650, 7650, etc.). The Symbian OS is not particularly open, but in SDK's you have the docs, the header files and the libs. All of the stuff you would need for basic application development. There are also books that detail Symbian OS development available.
Now they should just port the UI and other frameworks from Symbian. Having a (C++) source code compatibility w/ Symbian OS would be a boon.
It will be interesting to see how Nokia and others react. The interesting thing isn't that it is based on Linux, but rather the fact that it's using Java extensively. Will also the lower level stuff be done in Java? In Symbian circles most of the "serious" stuff is done in C++ (ish), but we'll see whether the sledge will turn at some point. Phones are (still) very memory-cramped environments, and require design decisions that differ from normal Linux application design.
how can you let the antics of SCO, a fart of a company destroy your love of something, anything.
It didn't kill my love for the tradition, the way of doing things, etc. (which live on in Linux), but rather showed how necessary it is to sever the ties to ancient Unix (the ties of which BSD people seem to be so proud). It's a phoenix & ashes thing.
but i found it a much better learning tool than linux, this has more to do with how i feel about it than who 'owns' it.
Perhaps because it's slightly simpler than most Linux distros? I used to dig FreeBSD, and also used NetBSD (go NetBSD!) for a while, but now consider myself mostly a member of Linux community. It's a practical thing; *BSD probably wouldn't run on my current hardware, and I'm not feeling confident about it even booting up with my dual boot setup.
i love unix more than linux, and FreeBSD is a _little_bit_closer_ and it smells musty, and it's easier in many respects.
I used to love unix, too, but that was before all the SCO stuff started. The good name of Unix has been soiled for good, and it no longer represents freedom and openness for me. At least *that* part of MSFT/SCO fud campaign has worked.
really, i'm just like you:(
Usually FreeBSD people like to emphasize how much more 31337 than Linux people they are. Linux is after all starting to be too m41nstr34am to be k3w1. They don't realize that it's the same boat, just with a different kernel, which is not really so much better as they like to think (scalability, portability, hw compatibility...).
Haven't you realized yet that SCO owns *all* Unixes, and derivatives.
Seriously though, I don't really mind not using Unix. After the SCO dust has settled, I don't even think I ever want to even *hear* the word Unix. The sooner "Unix" is dead, the better. Posix will live on, through Linux. BSD may be more "real" Unix than Linux, but that is hardly a compliment these days.
I will be disclosing portions of the secrets if you are willing to sign an NDA, and realize that the book of Mormon can't be cleaned up without crippling its salvation-inducing capabilities.
Interestingly, the economist article says that Darl is a devour mormon. Don't they have a bible that some guy allegedly dictated from behind a wall? Doesn't it infringe the trade "secrets" of the normal bible in some ways?
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Sun's been making noises about being able to distribute the Linux kernel irrespective of the outcome of the IBM/SCO battle, if I read the news right.
You didn't read the news right. Sun has repeated several times that they indemnify Solaris customers, not Linux customers. Linux customers are on their own.
t's just a reaction to all the Linux fanboys describing Linux as superior
Really, I haven't seen that happening. Linux fanboys usually don't talk about FreeBSD all that much.
FreeBSD is not superior to Linux. On the other hand, Linux is not superior to FreeBSD. They both have different priorities and goals, and to claim one is better than the other is complete nonsense.
Exactly. That never stopped all the FreeBSD fanboys from describing FreeBSD as superior, possessing some intangible quality of superiority that Linux would never reach.
You're evaluation of Solaris is short-sighted, I'm afraid.
;-).
I don't think so. Solaris has all the whizbang features right now, but they aren't important enough to most people to justify using it instead of non-proprietary Linux. And Linux will have all these features, with time.
Also, what were the benchmarks for Linux running full SMP on 100+ CPU's?
Not necessary, a dual processor x86 box can do the same thing
Also, what were the benchmarks for Linux running full SMP on 100+ CPU's?
32 CPUs is good enough for most purposes, and as far as systems bigger than that go, I don't really care. And neither does 95% of the industry. SGI and Fujitsu have some large scale Linux SMP machines, though I don't know whether they are single system image setups.
I think it's generally established that Solaris or FreeBSD for example, are technically superior to linux, however,
No, they aren't. FreeBSD is not superior to Linux, even if FreeBSD advocates like to tell you so. Hell, if it was indeed superior to Linux, they could scrap Linux altogether, fork FreeBSD under the GPL, and build on that. FreeBSD just recently got SMP, for chrissakes. Constantly repeating the superiority of FreeBSD (which the advocates insist on doing) doesn't necessarily make it so.
And as far as Solaris goes, it's just a matter of time. One has to be pretty short sighted to expect Solaris to thrive in the future - already it is considered a "legacy" OS, to be replaced by a Linux/Windows box after a while.
Note, too, that most of the readers of tech-site interviews are not as discerning as you. They are looking for "news" or "answers" -- and quickly. No one browses OSNews in anticipation of savoring the linguistic bons mots of some proto-Hemingway.
Indeed. Q & A format is great, because it lets you absorb all the necessary information quickly, possibly skipping boring questions. Reading an interview where the interviewer tries to be creative, using phrases like "he said", is a drag.
One of the reasons I use Linux is to avoid ads and spyware.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look elsewhere during installation.
or once again be haunted by "Britney XXX HOT and young CAUGHT J-Lo action action!!".
If they include free samples, I'm not complaining. How often do you get to watch pr0n legitimately at work, anyway?
Yeah maybe Wind River will flow into Walnut Creek. Yort!
Flow, as in river of blood?
Is it just me, or does Australia simply rule? It seems that they make a sensible thing after a sensible thing, seem to be enthusiastic on the Linux front, and generally kick ass? Will Australia be a leading ICT power after a while? US is, well, US and EU seems to be very slow in it's movement.
And as far as spammers go, I wouldn't blink an eye if they were thrown into a pound-me-in-the-ass prison in Siberia. They abuse the "freedom of speech" to make soem easy profit while harrassing general populace, while the freedom of speech that matters is generally not a problem unless you search for such information.
A generalized document/file security & decryption service actually makes some sense.
And it should be pretty simple to develop, too. They should build something like this in the context of freedesktop.org, and see the apps follow. MSFT has the authority to make "standards" in the own area, but *n*x-GUI scene has no instance with an equivalent role.
think people fed up with MS BS may finally start to do something about it.
Yep. MSFT cooked up all these schemes before they realized that they have some viable competition, and therefore can't pull all the tricks they might want to.
However, I assume that a DRM-protected document is not meant to be in wide circulation, and on the other hand inter-corporate stuff will remain as normal pgp/whatever encrypted docs...
Just when the whole world seems to be going mad (SCO, RIAA, ...), and one day you look at news: yet another major Linux *desktop* win, the postponement of the EU patent vote, more news about the Asian Linux development project... it almost seems like things will be going up again! Horrors of the summer are behind us, and the autumn brings on a new light!
Incidentally, it seems that most of the bad news seem to be coming from US, while the rest of the world is moving forward. Now what was the old world/new world again...
Seems like you do need their SDK as a base, but GnuPOC makes it easy enough to develop on Linux using GCC
Not easy enough - you can't use the emulator.
Honestly, I don't see Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson (Sony) switching to Linux.
Obviously. The interesting thing would be, whether they will be increasing their usage of Java (which works alongside Symbian). So far, Java is very much a second-class citizen in the Symbian world.
. But if they were open source. Think of the posiblitlys. ahhh to dream of a day when all is free to tweak :)
They are free to tweak already. You can download a public SDK for various Symbian OS versions, and build applications for your phone (3650, 7650, etc.). The Symbian OS is not particularly open, but in SDK's you have the docs, the header files and the libs. All of the stuff you would need for basic application development. There are also books that detail Symbian OS development available.
Now they should just port the UI and other frameworks from Symbian. Having a (C++) source code compatibility w/ Symbian OS would be a boon.
It will be interesting to see how Nokia and others react. The interesting thing isn't that it is based on Linux, but rather the fact that it's using Java extensively. Will also the lower level stuff be done in Java? In Symbian circles most of the "serious" stuff is done in C++ (ish), but we'll see whether the sledge will turn at some point. Phones are (still) very memory-cramped environments, and require design decisions that differ from normal Linux application design.
how can you let the antics of SCO, a fart of a company destroy your love of something, anything.
It didn't kill my love for the tradition, the way of doing things, etc. (which live on in Linux), but rather showed how necessary it is to sever the ties to ancient Unix (the ties of which BSD people seem to be so proud). It's a phoenix & ashes thing.
but i found it a much better learning tool than linux, this has more to do with how i feel about it than who 'owns' it.
Perhaps because it's slightly simpler than most Linux distros? I used to dig FreeBSD, and also used NetBSD (go NetBSD!) for a while, but now consider myself mostly a member of Linux community. It's a practical thing; *BSD probably wouldn't run on my current hardware, and I'm not feeling confident about it even booting up with my dual boot setup.
i love unix more than linux, and FreeBSD is a _little_bit_closer_ and it smells musty, and it's easier in many respects.
:(
I used to love unix, too, but that was before all the SCO stuff started. The good name of Unix has been soiled for good, and it no longer represents freedom and openness for me. At least *that* part of MSFT/SCO fud campaign has worked.
really, i'm just like you
Usually FreeBSD people like to emphasize how much more 31337 than Linux people they are. Linux is after all starting to be too m41nstr34am to be k3w1. They don't realize that it's the same boat, just with a different kernel, which is not really so much better as they like to think (scalability, portability, hw compatibility...).
SCO doesn't own my OS.
...
it's just, i use unix, you don't.
Haven't you realized yet that SCO owns *all* Unixes, and derivatives.
Seriously though, I don't really mind not using Unix. After the SCO dust has settled, I don't even think I ever want to even *hear* the word Unix. The sooner "Unix" is dead, the better. Posix will live on, through Linux. BSD may be more "real" Unix than Linux, but that is hardly a compliment these days.
ISTR it was Windows 95.
I am not claiming Boies would ever even think about trying to score with a prostitute,
Perhaps he could get a bargain deal on the grounds of being one himself?
What "secrets" are you talking about?
I will be disclosing portions of the secrets if you are willing to sign an NDA, and realize that the book of Mormon can't be cleaned up without crippling its salvation-inducing capabilities.
Interestingly, the economist article says that Darl is a devour mormon. Don't they have a bible that some guy allegedly dictated from behind a wall? Doesn't it infringe the trade "secrets" of the normal bible in some ways?
To the "widespread" masses, which includes my mom (hehe)
Now that's sick.