Have to agree with you on this one, though I went the other direction. Figured if I had to support 20 custom packages and deps myself I might as well install Gentoo and let the package manager do the work. Not what everyone might do, but it has worked well for me because I've been using Gentoo for fives years in production and know most of the tricks. Additionally my environment is a startup where being able to move very fast, ie upgrading for new features constantly, is required.
And that kernelpanicked guy is an idiot and I for one would not have been so patient with his nonsense.
The average admin would be stimied by sendmail.cf's complexity, the good admin would know how to manipulate it, and the superior admin would install Postfix.
I bought an Folee XL last week based on your recommendation and looking through the site. Wow does this bag kickass. Big, light, padded, tons of pockets, and sits well during my morning commute on the motorcycle. Can't ask for more than that.
I had a friend who worked for Danni's Hard Drive. Getting caught surfing Yahoo and other mainstream sites could eventually get you written up. Porn was always okay.
Heh, we used Post.Office in 98-99 because our VP decided Windows NT was the future. It sucked. No surprise that you've never heard of it and I'm frankly surprised it's still around.
I'm and ISP/hosting geek as well and see exactly the same thing. Hundreds of Mysql users and one Postgres user. And pretty much the same thing in the users code and databases. My favorite being the 30 minute query which I fixed by suggesting that a 2 million row tables should probably use a int(11) as a primary key instead of a (128)varchar containing the users email address. They still think I'm a genius.
Fucking duh is the entire point of the story. Why as a Linux user do I have to Google for an hour and then hope I can do the proper chicken sacrifice to make the drivers work? The OSS world has shown it can make kickass databases, web servers, kernels, mail servers, languages, etc, but we still can't get drivers installed. I'm likely to agree with the author that there are roadblocks not of our making that is causing this.
Yes cause when I go to mechanics school they hide all the tools and make me listen to incredibly boring lectures about the tools. And the more boring lectures I go to the greater the chance I might get handed a working screwdriver. Jeez you're an idiot.
Math, physics, etc are fucking tools not life lessons. Gimme the tools and make the actual engineering courses hard. I'd gladly take a "Hey you know your math, but you suck as an engineer. Look at that solution you produced. It fails in three different ways you failed to take into account" over "here's another complicated proof that's going to take up 30 minutes of class and teach you nothing when I could be doing examples or relating this technique to real world applications"
Unfortunately it looks like the former never happens judging from all the comp eng people I've had to explain reality to. "I don't care if your code is correct, opening 100k file descriptors is not a solution. Re-engineer it."
Actually I attended a seminar by him today and he's dead serious about doing it for children. He's also against software patents, onerous IP law, tarriffs, and single vendors.
Don't knock him until you actually read some of his articles.
Wow. You've got no idea just what it would take to do this do you? Or you're being extremely funny.
1. users should be in a db. 2. imap servers should be their own cluster 3. pop servers should be their own cluster 4. smpt servers shoudl be their own cluster 5. spam filtering should be their own cluster 6. round robin DNS should be ditched in favor of hardware load balancing.
I beleive you're thinking about that golden period in '96 when any ol search engine could index the net, Yahoo actually rated sites, etc. Yeah you could search then and it wasn't bad.
Fast forward a year or two and we see Internet content outstripping Moore's law among other things. You might have been able to find something if you read 5-10 pages of search results... maybe. Google's sucess was that it appeared about the time other search engines were failing miserably. Yeah they all had the same results, but Google tended to put the results you really wanted on the first page.
um... that's exactly what the Gentoo LiveCD does though the Gentoo LiveCD in the past hasn't been the same sort of enviroment like Knoppix gave you.
This user then went on to install packages without looking at his USE variables. X windows is by default part of a standard profile so X support would be compiled into things that support it like mod_php. If you don't want X it's easy enough to tell Gentoo to globally ignore any call for X and you can even tell Gentoo to skip X (or other optional dependecy) on a per package basis. None of that is what this user did which is why it took so long.
New system install, Apache, Mysql, PHP, etc up to date and running on a 3Ghz P4 chip within about 5 hours of total time. Or you could just install a stage3 and then add Apache, Mysql, PHP, and dependencies in about an hour.
Software sucks when you don't bother to read the docs.
Because it really is all about shocking terrorists with high voltage or shooting homemade missles at drug lords.
kashani
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You're a bit wrong on that 100,000 connections. 10,000 I'd believe, but not the other. I personally destroyed every OS except Solaris with that many connections and it wasn't very happy either around the time of 4.2.
They do publish some fantasy, but military sci-fi seems to be their big niche. Some of it is okay, but as someone who likes military literature in general the majority of what they publish is crap compared to some of the better books out there like John Stakely's Armour.
Or is IANA now ICANN. I think that was what was supposed to happen, but was never sure if all the IP stuff made over to ICANN since they seemed to be having so many issues with DNS.
It stopped 99% of my spam overnight when I installed it on my server. And it doesn't peg my CPU with complex content filtering rules like other things. You should keep an eye on it because some mail servers/services don't resend correctly after a 450 code, but you can whitelist those domains if you need to.
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Ahem.
;-)
As a Gentoo user over the age of 30 I'd like to apologize for the under 20 Gentoo user's previous post. I'll slap him around on IRC later.
kashani
Have to agree with you on this one, though I went the other direction. Figured if I had to support 20 custom packages and deps myself I might as well install Gentoo and let the package manager do the work. Not what everyone might do, but it has worked well for me because I've been using Gentoo for fives years in production and know most of the tricks. Additionally my environment is a startup where being able to move very fast, ie upgrading for new features constantly, is required.
And that kernelpanicked guy is an idiot and I for one would not have been so patient with his nonsense.
kashani
The average admin would be stimied by sendmail.cf's complexity, the good admin would know how to manipulate it, and the superior admin would install Postfix.
kashani
I bought an Folee XL last week based on your recommendation and looking through the site. Wow does this bag kickass. Big, light, padded, tons of pockets, and sits well during my morning commute on the motorcycle. Can't ask for more than that.
thanks,
kashani
No. It's just that no one cares what they have to say any more. :-)
kashani
And I would mod you as never having built a real mail system. mbox doesn't scale.
kashani
I had a friend who worked for Danni's Hard Drive. Getting caught surfing Yahoo and other mainstream sites could eventually get you written up. Porn was always okay.
kashani
Heh, we used Post.Office in 98-99 because our VP decided Windows NT was the future. It sucked. No surprise that you've never heard of it and I'm frankly surprised it's still around.
kashani
I'm and ISP/hosting geek as well and see exactly the same thing. Hundreds of Mysql users and one Postgres user. And pretty much the same thing in the users code and databases. My favorite being the 30 minute query which I fixed by suggesting that a 2 million row tables should probably use a int(11) as a primary key instead of a (128)varchar containing the users email address. They still think I'm a genius.
kashani
Postgres views are hardly standard or mature. Funny how that fact is never mentioned.
kashani
Fucking duh is the entire point of the story. Why as a Linux user do I have to Google for an hour and then hope I can do the proper chicken sacrifice to make the drivers work? The OSS world has shown it can make kickass databases, web servers, kernels, mail servers, languages, etc, but we still can't get drivers installed. I'm likely to agree with the author that there are roadblocks not of our making that is causing this.
kashani
Yes cause when I go to mechanics school they hide all the tools and make me listen to incredibly boring lectures about the tools. And the more boring lectures I go to the greater the chance I might get handed a working screwdriver. Jeez you're an idiot.
Math, physics, etc are fucking tools not life lessons. Gimme the tools and make the actual engineering courses hard. I'd gladly take a "Hey you know your math, but you suck as an engineer. Look at that solution you produced. It fails in three different ways you failed to take into account" over "here's another complicated proof that's going to take up 30 minutes of class and teach you nothing when I could be doing examples or relating this technique to real world applications"
Unfortunately it looks like the former never happens judging from all the comp eng people I've had to explain reality to. "I don't care if your code is correct, opening 100k file descriptors is not a solution. Re-engineer it."
kashani
Actually I attended a seminar by him today and he's dead serious about doing it for children. He's also against software patents, onerous IP law, tarriffs, and single vendors.
Don't knock him until you actually read some of his articles.
kashani
Wow. You've got no idea just what it would take to do this do you? Or you're being extremely funny.
1. users should be in a db.
2. imap servers should be their own cluster
3. pop servers should be their own cluster
4. smpt servers shoudl be their own cluster
5. spam filtering should be their own cluster
6. round robin DNS should be ditched in favor of hardware load balancing.
kashani
I beleive you're thinking about that golden period in '96 when any ol search engine could index the net, Yahoo actually rated sites, etc. Yeah you could search then and it wasn't bad.
Fast forward a year or two and we see Internet content outstripping Moore's law among other things. You might have been able to find something if you read 5-10 pages of search results... maybe. Google's sucess was that it appeared about the time other search engines were failing miserably. Yeah they all had the same results, but Google tended to put the results you really wanted on the first page.
kashani
um... that's exactly what the Gentoo LiveCD does though the Gentoo LiveCD in the past hasn't been the same sort of enviroment like Knoppix gave you.
This user then went on to install packages without looking at his USE variables. X windows is by default part of a standard profile so X support would be compiled into things that support it like mod_php. If you don't want X it's easy enough to tell Gentoo to globally ignore any call for X and you can even tell Gentoo to skip X (or other optional dependecy) on a per package basis. None of that is what this user did which is why it took so long.
kashai
vi /etc/make.conf
USE="mmx sse mysql innodb threads nptl ssl maildir -alsa -apache2 -cups -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -java -ipv6 -kde -nls -oss -qt -sdl -X"
New system install, Apache, Mysql, PHP, etc up to date and running on a 3Ghz P4 chip within about 5 hours of total time. Or you could just install a stage3 and then add Apache, Mysql, PHP, and dependencies in about an hour.
Software sucks when you don't bother to read the docs.
kashani
MacGuyver.
Because it really is all about shocking terrorists with high voltage or shooting homemade missles at drug lords.
kashani
You're a bit wrong on that 100,000 connections. 10,000 I'd believe, but not the other. I personally destroyed every OS except Solaris with that many connections and it wasn't very happy either around the time of 4.2.
kashani
Try removing all your extentions. I had a number that weren't exactly compatible from version to version that were causing a number of problems.
kashani
They do publish some fantasy, but military sci-fi seems to be their big niche. Some of it is okay, but as someone who likes military literature in general the majority of what they publish is crap compared to some of the better books out there like John Stakely's Armour.
kashani
Or is IANA now ICANN. I think that was what was supposed to happen, but was never sure if all the IP stuff made over to ICANN since they seemed to be having so many issues with DNS.
kashani
http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ip-addresses.htm
IANA is actually who allocates IP addresses by allocating blocks to various other agencies like ARIN and RIPE.
kashani
It stopped 99% of my spam overnight when I installed it on my server. And it doesn't peg my CPU with complex content filtering rules like other things. You should keep an eye on it because some mail servers/services don't resend correctly after a 450 code, but you can whitelist those domains if you need to.
kashani
laxlxpm01 root # cd bi*
laxlxpm01 bin #
Works fine for me in bash.
kashani