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EU Domain Registries & ICANN
rob_levine writes "Following on from the announcement a few weeks ago that the U.S. Department Of Commerce intends to retain control of the Internet's root domain servers (originally to be relinquished in 2006), several EU domain registries are preparing to build, test and install a system to prevent U.S. government meddling, according to this article in The Register.
Could this be the beginning of the end of the centralised autocracy that is ICANN?"
I suspect that if this goes through it'll be a start to where the internet speads apart and out, someday entire seperate networks set up. Like "ChinaNet" instead of internet. I imagine the seediness of the internet could only go up... Not that I mind. =]
Just a boy doing unproffesional IT work that's way above his head.
So basically the EU is trying to tell ICANN UCANT?
.bigot
Wasn't this suppose to be the "WORLD Wide Web"?
I think someone lost sight of what they were doing...
When President Bush referred to The Internets, many people thought he was mis-speaking. He was apparently foreshadowing a plan to make sure that Europe gets off our Internet and makes their own!
I'm a big tall mofo.
Well this certainly sounds creepy.
"NO, we will NEVER relinquish control! The Internet is ours, only ours! moahahaha"
Although this would certainly sound more sinister spoken with a german or french accent.
I am a jar of fermented cabbage, you insensitive clod!
I believe ICANN brought this upon themselves. Or at least the people responsible for the root DNS servers to be "owned" by USA. Somebody said "but USA invented the internet" as an argument that it's just and right. Another smart person said that germany invented the gas engine. So then shouldn't germany have the control of all cars? My point being, is that the operation of internet should be an international effort. There should be no monopolies on any part of the internet. This creates nice opportunities for companies like verisign to ask higher registration fees. Where does this money go? I can hardly believe any of it is used to find all the registerated "spam"-domains with false registration info. Or regulating the people getting screwed over by their ICANN-certified registrar who in the reality doesnt seem very ICANN-certified. No refunds...
As a person who does make snap judgements of people based on stereotypes and generalizations--and who is afraid of other cultures because they are different--I find your use of the label "bigot" in such a derisive way to be quite offensive, you insensitive clod.
Let's hope they set up a good system that we all can use.
I'm not really sure why everyone's so worked up about this. If the US Gov. doesn't run things right, we can all just point our resolvers at an alternate root, like this one. And considering the the US was just maintaining the status quo, it really seems like even less of a big deal.
It looks like these guys are just gonna set up an alternate root for everyone and try to automate the system as much as possible. Hopefully it works.
BTW, anybody else annoyed that all these news articles on this keep confusing DNS with "The Internet?"
I like how "a meeting of worldwide top-level domain owners" settle things by a show of hands.
I know that it was us american boys who invented the internets, but it seems really hokey to take arbitrary control of it. I agree someone needs to be checking on these things - we can't just open this all the way up to hackers, but do we really need to establish our internet penis in this fashion?
It was ARPA funding that got the first working packet switching network off the ground, and it was ARPA funding that made it into the internet, but that doesn't mean that all of the innovation was American - the whole reason cross network switching was invented was to be able to tie america's ARPAnet to several european networks.
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I do not think that this is a bad thing, as I think the United States government would do well with a system so that they do not try to censor the internet or pull any other funny stuff... as I can not say that I fully trust them, even when they may be my government.
Well, I am not very certain where this is going, but coming to think of it, the DoD started it all here, when the DARPA project started. It grew into the internet as we know it today and more so, who really cares. I mean Internet 2 [internet2.edu] is already available, albeit for academic purposes. How far away do you think Internet 3, 4 etc come up or maybe Internet 2a, 2b,.. If the US wants it, give them the finger and ask them to take it, after all what use is the Internet if people stopped using it and started using an alternative form if something came up? So, ICANN and the 'President' will have a lot of networking homework to do, if no one uses what they control. Peace out!
DNS is relatively simple and not THAT big of a deal.
The real power of what ICANN does, and the part it is scary they might abuse, is assignment of IP blocks...
Conflicts between countries over the meaning of cnn.co.uk? Just switch your nameserver to one that knows how to intelligently resolve the conflicts. Conflicts between countries over the meaning of 128.111.54.8? Uh... you're screwed.
Oh my! you do know its going to take seven years per domain remember .eu ? we are still waiting ....
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I don't see it as a bad thing. Competing registries should forment some of that biological competition we all love so much. The best ones will out, and the worst ones will fall into disuse.
The only issue is how it gets worked into the existing framework so that we aren't stuck with any particular set depending on our geographic locale.
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Doesn't RIPE handle Europes IP allocation now?
RIPE is the same thing isn't it, a collection of European ISPs that got together to handle distribution of IP addresses.
As a person who does make snap judgements of people based on stereotypes and generalizations--and who is afraid of other cultures because they are different--I find your use of the label "bigot" for such a derisive purpose to be quite offensive, you insensitive clod.
You can set up automated systems and launch shared responsibility campaigns untill your blue in the face.
The fact still remains that your shared trusted ultra 31337 root zone file won't actually be used.
The operators of the root servers have stated time and time again that their job is to only serve the root zone, the contents of which is the responsibility of ICANN (and in turn the US government).
This is just more "alternate root" quackery.
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This process is called decolonization ... It started for the USA with the Boston tea party, wanting independency from UK. And now the registrars are doing with their own kind of tea party, building their own root server, and wanting independency from the US, although in a different and in a much more peacefull way.
Great idea - replace a reliable US-controlled registrar with a bureaucratic Eurotrash controlled registrar.
I can't decide whether you're a troll, a bigot, or if it's a feeble attempt at sarcasm.
Sure, when it comes to this matter, the U.S. government may be called controll freaks (although I find it completely justified and, besides, I haven't noticed any negative impact of the current policy so far), but replacing that control with the European bureaucracy and laziness, that is even worse!
If you haven't noticed, the Europeans are also putting up their separate Euro-GPS system. It seems quite clear that the rest of the world wants alternatives to US technologies, even if they work, they're efficient and/or well managed. That should tell you something of the level of trust other countries have in future US foreign policies.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
There are instances where spreading control out between multiple groups can be a bad thing. Too many cooks and all that. When you're dealing with something so vital as The Internet is now, you don't necessarily want to turn it over to something like the UN, which is so full of infighting and maneuvering for power that simple decisions could take ages.
Yeah, ICANN is all about red tape, but then again all government-esque agencies are. Even the international ones... especially the international ones. It gets worse the more people are involved.
Many claim that it's not fair that the US maintains control of the root servers and the TLDs and so on... well, who invested a majority of the money that developed The Internet we know now? Who bought and installed and maintained those root servers? Yes, there were many simultaneous endeavours to invent brothers and sisters to the Internet, but well, the US kinda won out. Controlling the root servers and who can sell which TLD, to me, isn't really all that bad of a thing. It's one group, under one government ensuring smooth operation of arguably the most important computers in the world.
Fragmentation of DNS would be an absolutely horrible thing. You'd have sites available to some parts of the world, not available to the others, mismatches on records etc because you know if everyone wants to own their own root server, they probably won't sync up all that much (if at all)
Despite some shady dealings with TLD registrars, they've done their job reasonably well. Everything works, we've had relatively few problems overall.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I tell all my relatives, when they want to search for something on the internets all they gotta do is goto http://64.233.167.99/ It's this website called Google. It searches for stuff that you can find on the European network and the U.S. Network!!!
I wish they could come up with something for those windows updates, because it's really hard trying to remember 207.46.18.94...
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.usa?
Or maybe we could just stick to
Could the amount of time it would take the EU to put up a VAT-like name-server interpretation tax be measured in nanoseconds?
Cogito Ergo Sum
IIRC USA sed EU AFU. YMMV. HAND.
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What I find interesting is that GWB is doing everything possible to assure that the rest of the world will isolate us. As it is, we were going to turn this over. But then people like Rove (the white house traitor), decided not to. The stupid thing is that this will become a war over who controls the name servers. I am guessing that American ISPs will be told to block access to the other name servers.
In the end, all of this planet EXCEPT for USA will switch. Then we will switch once we get a sane president. But when all is said and done, all other nations will look at us as foolish and not worth following.
Has anybody been paying attention to the little war that is started in Galleo vs. GPS? Already a number of other nations (EU, Australia, Russia, China, etc) are pledging to move to using it (mostly due to not under US control).
The reporter didn't even seek comment from ICANN, Dept. of Commerce or anyone from the U.S. government.
several EU domain registries are preparing to build, test and install a system to prevent U.S. government meddling
I'm all for decentralization, if the synchronization can be worked out, but these guys sound like Eurocooks.
Can they cite any examples of 'U.S. Government Meddling' or are these just they guys who make a living complaining about Bush's belt buckles?
I rather suspect the current Commerce position is one of no-confidence in ICANN to prevent a cyber-attack on the DNS infrastructure. We don't have any data about this, but a sudden glimmer of competence from ICANN would be anomalous.
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OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Please replace the flag in the Slashdot Politics section banner with something more global and nonpartisan. As seen in the recent 4th of July poll, there are a hell of a lot of non-Yanks reading Slashdot.
How about a generic image of a protest?
significant development of Internet assets (softwares, methodologies )has shifted to RIPE (NL, that's in Europe...) since the 90s when MIT started to get greedy and for profited the route server.
ICANN is not an authority: it is a 1 guy (dead) and one secretary office.
The route servers would then finally be able to curtail spam right at the root: no root service for spammer networks (oh, sorry, only U.S. root service.... let's keep the commercial interests going, right?).
While ICANN et al are supposed to be internationally run, the 'inter' is still missing...
Putting myself into the boots of a foreign government, I'd hurry to make the Internet international, and not be administrated by people who cannot even protect their own DoD servers (lol).
and the meddling.....
during the first Gulf War, Cisco disabled military routers because someone did not pay a bill...... OPen up NAPs for real hardware would be a next good project.
My personal opinion is that the U.N. should run the INternet agencies; this way they can disconnect nations who don't pay their dues....
--Mike--
"Gore came up with the term 'information superhighway'"
Not quite. See snopes.com:
"It is true, though, that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (although he did not, as is often claimed by others, coin the phrase himself) when few people outside academia "
1 - Anti-War Site
2 - Site advocating equal right for gay people or any other group
The US may have freedom of speech issues, but not the extent of allowing the DNS System to be run by the UN. Just remember the UN Human Rights committee is chaired by who? Or what is state of free speech in China (I love all the chinese blogs we freedom in the title)?
First they have to get a VECTOR to bring those nice nuclear bomb somewhere. If this is a missile vector I can guaranteee that CHINA will start acting before those vector can reach France or UK. If this is not a missile vector, then frankly every city is a target no matter the distance and no matter the military spending (think bomb hidden in a truck). As for military spending, here is the military spending per capita GDP : military expenditure per capita
Excuse me but European country does not seem too badly placed on the list. You will note that NK is not here. And since this is per capita , multiply by the milliom of person in those country and you get another picture far from your "EU is weak and is hoping that the US will shield them" drivel. Moderator before moderating something as informative, please check the fact !!!
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The 'Internet' is a network of networks, and exists only because of the peering and routing agreements of those who own the networks.
Therefore, to say the internet is 'owned' by anyone is a fallacy. Before people start getting jingoistic, no one country has a monopoly on the internet, just portions thereof. And since the protocols are open, it's not unreasonable to expect that if the US did start monkeying around with the DNS servers, then they would find their routes disappearing, leaving them with their very own intranet.
Corporate interests being what they are, I doubt it would happen.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
DNS should be controled by no government.
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I ain't saying a government can't have a DNS server, just that it shouldn't be allowed to be controlled by any government or dictator like ICANN.
Governments move to slow, ICANN makes crap decisions, and senate/parliments over-react to world events which mucks everything up for everyone. Over-restrictive retarded laws.
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The only thing this will do is displace folks durring emergencies, and make folks use altenative DNS.
As a U.S. citizen, and reading from the article,
But what is most disturbing about Gallagher's presentation, is how it endlessly refers to the president. The first slide has a picture of George Bush. The second begins "Thanks to the president's policies, America's economy is strong". The next slide is "The president's broadband vision". The next slide leads with a quote from Bush and two pictures of him. And on and on it goes. There is barely a single slide that doesn't quote from the president.,
it's no wonder there's concern. Isn't this exactly the kind of posturing that U.S. citizens are so quick to criticize when it comes from other nations.
This may not speak to the DNS issue, but it certainly speaks to our tiny view of the world.
I haven't really been following this but if the eu does go ahead with an alternate root. Could that not open the door for dnssec signed root and toplevel zones. I'm not sure why root hasn't implemented this yet and I wonder if that's something they would consider in a new system.
he say that CENTR is "an organisation representing the majority of the world's top-level domains".
this is crock - they represent their members, around 50 TLD's (http://www.centr.org/members/) - that's not even a simple majority of TLD (around 260 - see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for some of them).
Read what this guy writes with a pinch of salt - he can't even get basic facts right.
Wasn't this suppose to be the "WORLD Wide Web"?
I think someone lost sight of what they were doing...
Yeah but In Medieval America, the world is flat.
You have the top post when browsing at +1 right now. You mention separate networks, and you FRIKKIN FAIL TO MENTION SKYNET?
What is WRONG with you?
So, no it's freedom fries served for you, unless US govt says it's a ok, at this moment.
And seeing the current aggressive wars that the current US government has taken on to wage, I for one, would not put it past them to just BLOCK an entire country from the Internet. This current system gives them the weapons and the means to do just that. Wouldn't want those Afghanis using their mudhut computers to surf for porn, would we? Instead, US Govt can now direct them to goatse, or something else entirely of their design, as long as they retain control over the root servers.
I was about to query why the above got moderated as Flamebait when about 3/4 of what it says is true, when I saw the response titled "How was this drivel moderated informative ?".
... and every bit as loopy as the posters. :-)
Just goes to show that moderators are on crack in both directions
You want to see those as second level after gov and mil? Who would be responsible to maintain those? How about gov.fr or mil.de. IMHO, that would seem more logical based on existing practice.
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M is run by WIDE and is based in Toyko and has anycast servers in Korea and France.
K is run by RIPE NCC and has servers all over Europe.
F is run by the ISC which is located in the US, but is a non-profit and F anycast servers are all over the globe.
Now most of the roots are still in the US, and many of the groups that run them are directly US government (for example E is NASA and H is US Army) but still, the roots are no longer US only.
So THAT's how we won the war... We poured tea into the water right above that improbability calculating machine.
ICANN is no more the "official" authority over DNS than Coke is the "official" cola of the world. The US Dept of Commerce has no authority to designate ICANN (or IANA, a job that ICANN does under contract) as an "official" this or "official" that over the DNS or IP address space.
Any one can honor any DNS system they chose to select - that's part of the end-to-end principle of the net. Most of us English speakers vote with our feet for those name services that provide our familiar DNS name space. But those who don't speak English are beginning to vote with their feet to set up systems that are not so oriented towards English or subject to ICANN's pro-trademark, highly taxed regime, and highly privacy unfriendly regime.
I challenge you to find me an instance where the US government has forcibly via a court order removed a:
1 - An Anti-War protestor
2 - Innocent Foreigners to a prison without trial
The USA just kidnapped a person off the streets of Italy using CIA agents. So give us a break if we believe the USA is going a little loopy right now and its better to protect the Internet from US loopyness!
Well, in fact we already have such extensions but in our native language. For france it's *.gouv.fr for "gouvernement", which I am quite sure you can easily translate.
UN HQ is NYC.
That wasn't the question.
A while ago, Bush managed to reach all the way across the world via the FBI and got an Indymedia server confiscated due to activities they'd covered at a protest. ... wake up Americans.
Keep on telling me that the US don't try to squash free speech
I was thinking more along the lines of .septic-tank but that's a lot of typing in the URL bar.
Forget about foreign policies and Galileo, it's likely just all about the money. Here's a interesting quote...
As if europe wasn't already inter-dependent on the US for many security-related matters, (e.g. NATO). Nobody is talking about a non-NATO EU-airforce because an airforce doesn't make any $$$. Of course to finance this endevour, the Europeans are suggesting the "establishment of revenue streams (likely to require regulatory action)" that includes the likelyhood of "levies on receivers and operating licence fees." I guess people don't mind TV and radio taxes in the EU, so maybe another one won't matter. Of course the US state department has already taken the stance that it will take WTO action against any taxes on imported GPS-only equipment or preferential licensing of Galileo technology to European firms, but unfortunatly, under the WTO rules, the europeans can choose to hose themselves with global positioning taxes to pay for this if they want to (as long as they don't discriminate against foriegn suppliers).Of course it isn't just money, it's about jobs as well...
My money is that at the end of the day, the europeans will go with the so-called zero-option (deploy ground based stuff or co-op with the russians with GLONASS extensions). Seems hard to compete with something like GPS and provide little or no extra value. Maybe they'll have more luck with the DNS root servers...well to the rest of us it's '.them' though '.yanks' or '.merkin' would equally be understood
1. State of free speech in China - 0. State of free speech in Taiwan - Pretty good. So I assume you're just referring to the citizens of mainland china, not Taiwan.
2. Why's a lot of people posting under anonymous? Freedom of speech is fine. Freedom of privacy is fine. But when you want to insult someone, say it to their face, with some form of psuedo identification attached.
In US, you can easily buy enough major firearms to wipe out your neighbourhood but a few little fireworks are banned.
I don't have anything against ICANN, but it seems to me that a decentralized system of root servers is right in line with the nature of the internet. I'm not sure how good or bad this would turn out to be compared to the current system, but in theory it seems to be consistent with the core ideas of the internet.
that's how I see it anyway . . .
Then why not gov.us?
Really?
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11715
European's crazy keyboards and non-English alphabet alone will spark afew debate and I would like to see EU's version of ICANN up and running in this decade.
After all, this is what's all about, control of imaginary "Power".
how sad...
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
It's exactly this attitude - that hey, maybe we can improve on something - that drives progress. Horse and carriage was kinda cool, but I think I can make it better - bam! The motorcar. Vacuum tubes work alright, but I think I can make it better - bam! Transistors!
And tomorrow the stock exchange will be the human race
Is this true? Or are we seeing more fog and confusion from the American intelligence agencies:
(from the CIA World Factbook)s/future/current/
Speaking as an outsider, George W Bush is the worst PR guy you guys have had for a very long time. The collective ego represented by Bush and the current Republican government is staggering: obviously there was the whole Iraq thing; we've got legislation and trade agreements driven by major US interests coming out of everywhere even where they're clearly not in the interests of the local little guys; and just last week Bush himself went home from the G8 summit after telling the rest of the world to get stuffed on the environment. You have a government that, by its own admission and demonstration, is prepared to wage war, force its will on foreign legal systems, and wreck the planet, all in the interest of its economic drivers. Is it really any wonder that the rest of the world is no longer willing to leave such important facilities at the Internet and the GPS network under so much US-centric control?
In case anyone's wondering, this isn't meant as a troll, BTW. That really is the way the US is currently perceived over here, according to just about every conversation I've had on the subject for a long time now.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
What N-word?
That would really break the internet if disputes arose.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
it's the US telling the EU
"ICANN, EUCANT"
i could foresee the eu forming thier own network, possibly even using ipv6. then setting up thier own distubed root servers and such. while leaving america behinde and left out of newer world networks.
Another way the federal government is trying to over control things/ogranizations that are international. Sure the government helped create the modern day internet (without the help of Al Gore) but if the U.S. government did'nt want to relinquish control they should have made it U.S. only and then leased the idea model to an organization/group willing to make an interntional version. I'd be worried and peeved if I were the EU too.
I'm not arguing either way or advocating exclusive use of a non country tld to a specific country either. gov.us would be the most logical for the us government but would be a change from existing practice. Of course either way would be better then to use the country as the second level domain that the parent of my first reply suggested.
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If any other entity controlled root servers, I bet U.S. would double them, just to be sure.
Once again, the WWW was invented in EUROPE at CERN (the worlds LARGEST particle physics laboratory). The Internet without the WWW is about as useless as tits on a bull, get you facts right!
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read the faq, this site was built and is still somewhat US centric. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT.
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If I'm not mistaken, that was a terror suspect. Why wasn't Italy apprehending this person themselves? Or did Italy's spy agency give the CIA the go-ahead and are simply denying it to keep the terrorists off Italy's back?
Nothing to see here. Move along.
If you haven't noticed, the Europeans are also putting up their separate Euro-GPS system. It seems quite clear that the rest of the world wants alternatives to US technologies, even if they work, they're efficient and/or well managed.
It seems to me this is more of a "pissing" contest than anything else. Want to spend billions of Euros on crap like this? Feel free.
That should tell you something of the level of trust other countries have in future US foreign policies.
I don't have much faith in the foreign policies of any country. Including pseudo-country entities.
Vacuum tubes work alright, but I think I can make it better - bam! Transistors!
Yes, but valves will probably still function after transitors/ICs are melted into glass after an EMP hit.
Why are so many Americans questioning the idea that Europe wants to have root servers of their own?
Just imagine that the roles were reversed. Just imagine that Europe owned all the root servers. You can bet the US would immediately decide to get their own root servers. You want to be independent.
How can this not be obvious? It's important infrastructure, and you don't want to be entirely at the mercy of foreign powers. What's wrong with that?
Why do so many Americans assume that everybody else is far less cocky than Americans are? This weird assumption has astonished me for years.
This assumption was especially perplexing before the Iraq war, when Americans assumed that Iraqi and other Muslims would be far more docile than Americans could ever be, that they would accept occupation and peace would be possible. Why assume that?
Americans would never accept foreign occupation, why assume that others would? Where do you get these strange ideas?
Fortunately, Europe and the US are friendly and have common goals. Even so, Europe wanting its own root servers is just as natural as the United States wanting their own if the roles were reversed.
Sheesh.
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Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
Tits on a bull would be something added that was extraneous and useless. The internet without the WWW would be like a fish without its bicycle.
Glad I could help.
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> apprehending this person themselves?
Perhaps because Italian law enforcement was closely monitoring the Hassan as part of a much wider investigation into potential terrorist ties in Milan, an operation which the ham-handed actions of the CIA operatives may have jeoparadized?
Perhaps because, after the claims made in Powell's WMD presentation turned out to be all bogus, the US's intelligence community has little international credibility, and when they claim "he's a terror suspect!" without providing evidence, nobody listens?
Perhaps because Italy has a funny little practice known as "innocent until proven guilty"?
I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea---your government is indeed capable of making mistakes. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't change that fact.
I'm not saying this is the end of Franco-American relations, but only that Americans will remember France's actions for longer than the French think.
I'm one of the Americans who were against the Iraqi invasion without UN support and supported France's stance. I am still waiting to see those WMDs, where are they? The sanctions against Iraq were working. Mind you I'm not saying I supported Saddam, I was against him when Reagan and Bush Sr supported him while he was using those WMDs against Iran as well as Kurds and others in Iraq.
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FalconToday's outrage was yesterday's no big deal
Should there be a Law?
The USSR had a conventional army that at least in numbers and reliability of equipment far surpassed that of the USA
We used to have a joke, which was true, when I was in the US Army that went along the lines that if we ever went into combat we'd grab the first AK47 we saw and use it instead of an M16. Even clean an M16 can jamb on you whereas you could fire the AK with it dirty. Some may ask what did I do saying this, my speciality was Infantryman (11B)
FalconShould there be a Law?
People rejected a bad constitution, what is the problem with that?
A constitution should be made with a vision on what is desired, not as a consequence of repeated compromise.
A constitution should never even approach the 600+ pages the EU Constitution had. Two, three pages at most, like the Constitution of the USA!!! Once it's only a couple of pages then you can add a few more pages of amendments. I'm glad France shotr it down!!!
FalconShould there be a Law?
Why not gov.them?
US-definition of 'terror suspect' means, here in Europe, 'anyone'.
Same surname as 'a known terrorist' is enough to put you on the 'no-fly'-list as 'terror suspect', why would anyone in their right mind (outside US) do anything when US whines?
'My country, right or wrong' is another name for stupidity.
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While ago, when I had been a serviceman, I carried and fired >>very clean AK-47 on firing range
What's a myth, that AK47s don't jamb? Like you fired them on firing ranges as well and I didn't have trouble with them. Nor did I see anyone else have any trouble. The one thing I liked about the M16s I had was that I was able to limit my bursts to three shots which to me was the preferable number of rounds in automatic. Of those weapons that were issued I prefered M14s over M16s, especially the ones made for snipers. From what I know of what's avaliable now if I were put in a position where I had to make a choice I'd either choose a dragunov, a Weatherby Mark V in .460 Weatherby Magnum, or maybe an Uzi. Things have changed since I last followed the scene, about 15 years, so I don't know if these would be good choices now.
M16 had been slightly redesigned after the first deployment in Vietnam war and I don't think it is still that tragical puritan as some believe.
Does Mattle still make them? One of the M16s I was issued was made by them, through me for a loop, a toy company making M16s.
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