There is an old photo that exists, which I saw maybe 5 years ago when arguments about this were also going on, which has Armstrong and the team in a room at NASA doing...whatever it is that astronauts do in the weeks/months they fly.
I cant recall if it was on the internet or a documentary. I think it may have been a doco.
On a blackboard or similar in the background in the room they are all posing it the quote written. It was different from what he said.
I had a quick google but couldnt find the photo. If someone knows where it is or the name of the doco, please post the link!
I have found them sewn on the inside of nearly all my shirts and pants, and all these years later I can still read them to learn how to take care of them.
Sample:
Warning: toxic nuclear waste. Do not iron. Do not tumble dry. Warm wash with water and soap only. Drip dry in deep bunker 1 mile underground for 10,000 years.
And best of all you get a discount if you buy care labels in batches of more than 1000.
I am sure the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would agree that "nuclear standoff explosions are assessed to be 10-100 times more effective than the non-nuclear alternatives".....
So let me see if I have this right: if I have a mathematical problem I cant solve (and God knows, there are a lot of them) then the answer....in a flash of self-proclaimed brilliance.....is to simply make up a new number or number-like thing, and say "thats the answer...not that it really exists or I know what it is or that anyone can prove it"??
Shit, all those nearly failed maths tests I could have romped home, the missed potential PhD in mathematics I could have done.
AllOfMp3 is a fantastic site and is clearly delivering what people want: unencumbered music at a reasonable price.
Its Russia's longest standing and most profitable internet business from what I hear.
I have little sympathy for the large record companies: they too are screwing the artists. Just check out what proportion of any CD sale goes to artists. And dont try to tell me it all goes into production costs, publicity or similar - it doesnt cost THAT much per CD to do all that!
The obvious solution is to move the business out of Russia and somewhere else harder to touch.
I for one vote for Borat to run AllOfMp3. Kazakhstan would make a fine location to host this valuable service.
Not to mention on top of credit cards I would then also be able to buy my songs in trade for pigs.
Its because of idiotic, selfish moves like this that Microsoft, Sony etc will eventually lose the whole digital rights battle.
Companies like AllofMP3.com offer the consumers what they want - simply to pay a fee (ok, a small one!) and as a result have a file they can play on whatever products they have that support that common file type.
Unimpeded MP3 is enough to keep most of the world happy....but the major greedy companies just cant cope with the concept. Its not THAT much to ask for.
I still reckon a flat monthly fee to get access to everything is the way to go - and I would pay it. And in case MS and Sony are reading this, the average person would expect that fee to be LESS than their rent or mortgage payment.
There is no denying that getting a fee like that from just about everyone is likely to earn them more revenue than getting a little bit from some people - and encouraging a thriving trade in royalty free MP3 files where no-one pays a cent.
Oh do tell.....how exactly was Saddam planning to make the US "cease to exist"??
What a joke.
The best long distance weapons he had were SCUD D missiles, which the UN states have a 50% probability of hitting their target only to 50 miles. You are just about more likely to kill yourself than a target with SCUDs.
I am most interested to hear which states of the US of A are within 50 miles of Iraq.......
Saddam or his supporters would be lucky to kill a single US citizen if the US had not invaded Iraq.
And perhaps you think all the attacks on US military people are by Saddam supporters? Do you perhaps think it possible that some Iraqi's - even those who hate Saddam - are pissed that the US has invaded their country?
You seem to fall for all the "oh my God the world is trying to kill us" crap on TV.
Its got nothing to do with "progressive liberal thinkers". It has EVERYTHING to do with reality.
I dont think anyone can deny that Saddam ran a very strict regime....but just because the way he did things isnt like how most Western countries do things doesnt mean it is "wrong" or punishable by death.
Look at how many civilians have been killed in US raids in Iraq over the last few years - it makes Saddam pale into insignificance. Or perhaps people think the ends justify the means?
What surprises me most about Saddam being found guilty and executed for this particular crime is this: - The village in question contained many people that contributed to a plot to attack Saddam's convoy as it drove through the village. - The plot was discovered by Saddam, and in typical dictator fashion he sent the boys out to take care of business. - The order was for the people to be arrested and tried. - They were arrested. They were tried. They were found guilty. They were executed as a result.
Now the way Iraq does that may not be the same way my country does that, but I still respect their laws and process.
So what does the US do?
- Hold a dodgy trial that the world knows was propped up fully by the US and could only have one result. (Does anyone seriously think there was a chance he would get found innocent and released??!!) - Ignore the fact that this village was apparently full of many people trying to kill he countries leader. - Find Saddam guilty of Crimes Against Humanity, and sentence him to death. Its not exactly on par with what I would consider crimes against humanity, but aside from that, surely a plot to kill you is a reason for a leader to take pre-emptive action? In the US the Secret Service and FBI would have cracked down very hard indeed and the penalties would be to the greatest extent of the law - just like they did in Iraq. - Worse still, they also charge the judge that found them guilty and sentenced them....and they sentenced him to death too.
I cant believe they would sentence a judge carrying out the rules of the land - regardless of how much those rules suck by our standards.
Unfortunately US politicians dont understand the mindset of many people in that region and in particular that country. They NEED a strong hand leading them, almost to the point of a dictator being needed. This is the only way they keep a cap on local infighting, which would otherwise result in constant civil war - which is EXACTLY what is happening now in Iraq, and will continue to happen until a strong leader comes back in. And if you doubt that, find some people from that region and ask them. You may just be surprised atthe answer you get....(I was...)
Unfortunately Bush got rid of those people who understood that going into Iraq would cause a 30 year mess and be unwinnable. It is almost amusing to now see the mess they created, as it was completely avoidable. What is sad is the 2000-odd US citizens who have been killed on duty for something that shouldnt be happening.
It would be good to watch a documentary about the original intent and reason for the US invasion of Iraq. Anyone remeber those WMD's that were guaranteed to be there? That seemed like a valid reason to invade Iraq (not that it was - the US has more WMD's than any country). But as that reason was found to be invalid after years of searches, has anyone asked why the US invaded a sovereign country?
And now factor in North Korea. Oh no, they cant have nuclear weapons as they arent a US ally. And Iran. And any other country unfriendly to the US. What a crock.
If anyone should be tried, its the US. The anti-US hatred generated by US actions over the last few years will outlive all of us.
For an agreement to be made, and thus a contract to be entered into, the ISP must have made reasonable efforts to disclose the terms and conditions. If they did not give you a reasonable opportunity to become aware of the t's and c's, then those t's and c's dont apply unless it is commonly understood by the average person that they should apply. This would not apply to termination costs.
You would need to review what was done to "sign up" very closely. For example if it was done on the internet, then you need to review the whole process and see if at some stage they make available to you the full contract. For example it may have been a URL labelled "Terms and Conditions" just above the "Submit" button. Most places would also make you tick a box saying you read and understood them.
If it was on the phone, then you need to see if they pointed you towards the terms and conditions prior to you agreeing.
I dont know about the US (eww...your lawers are out of control!) but over here in Australia, there is no way that an ISP could later add complexity to an agreement and claim all along that it was as both parties agreed. Generally if they wish to change a contract, you are then able to terminate the contract as you can not be forced to agree with a new contract. In that situation they could also choose to leave you on the old contract...but if not, you have perfect grounds to be let out of your contract without termination fees.
For those never-explained terms to apply to you, you must have had reasonable opportunity to be made aware of them, and to be in the position where you could knowingly agree to them.
In terms of WHEN a contract is formed, its typically when one party makes an offer - the MOMENT the other party accepts that offer, the contract is formed. This can be verbal. It could be fax, email, signature of a contract or whatever. In fact even if there is a written contract, it is very very likely that the contract will have already been formed well before signing by sloppy talking by the party accepting the offer. This is really common in business and not the sign of a good business person. Very. very dangerous,
Obviously written contracts are easier to prove one way or the other if there is a problem, but there are zillions of court cases that support verbal agreements.
The ISP can easily prove a contract exists - simply be proving you allowed installation of the service, used the service, and agreed to pay a fee. You then have an offer (isp service), consideration (payment of the monthly fee) and thats all thats needed for a contract to exist between the parties.
Whats contested here, as others have said, are the terms and conditions of the contract. Simply ask them to prove that you were made aware of any extra terms and conditions they are claiming apply, and if not, cancel payments at your bank and write a harsh letter which makes it clear you know how agreements are made, and that NEITHER party can just change things at will without further MUTUAL agreement to change the terms of the agreement.
Just my 2c. (I happen to negotiate and write contracts for a living...kind of large value IT ones...).
I wonder if there has been more financial damage caused directly by viruses, or more caused indirectly by viruses - because people go and buy AV software??
What the main post doesnt say is that Bigpond both did the incorrect advertisements AND redirected people.
Bigpond is part of Telstra (in effect a department specialising in internet access), and is Australia's biggest ISP. (Telstra is the biggest Telco/ISP)
What happened was this:
1) Aussie Casey Donovan wins Australian Idol.
2) Bigpond managed to secure rights to make her single downloadable from the internet 24hrs before the CD was available through shops.
3) Bigpond to advertise this took out half and full page ads in every major newspaper in Australia bignoting you could download the song via them before CD release.
4) At the top of the ad Bigpond had the URL for what was supposed to be Casey Donovan's Australian site. The genius working for the advertising company paid by Telstra to do the ad campaign didnt check the ads before printing them. Neither did the newspapers or anyone else involved.
The ad forgot the.au ending, meaning nationwide visitors loaded up a gay porn site for porn star Casey Donovan. It contains R-rated pictures.
I was not happy with Bigpond deciding that its internet customers would get a redirect site. I do not pay them for a modified and sensored version of the internet - I pay them for the pure internet in all its glory. Good and bad.
If they want a kiddies service that stops people seeing certain things, then they should sell a kiddies account.
I was disappointed that rather than live with their mistake and any grief it might cause, they tried to change people's perceptions. The redirect page did NOT give you enough time to read the text prior to redirecting.
Telstra must have paid Mr Donovan some money I presume, because I note now that the redirect is gone, AND the porn pictures on the front page of his site are too. Its now much more explicitly stated that its a porn site and you must click to enter.
(Telstra makes AUD$4B profit per year...they could afford to make him happy....)
Yes, I agree. I definitely think v1.0 is less stable than PR1.
It is not at all uncommon for it to crash on me, requiring me to restart Firefox.
Interestingly it just "disappears". It doesnt do a clean crash and do anyyhitn glike tell me or ask if I want to submit info about the crash. Firefox just vanishes.
Slashdot Mirror
There is an old photo that exists, which I saw maybe 5 years ago when arguments about this were also going on, which has Armstrong and the team in a room at NASA doing...whatever it is that astronauts do in the weeks/months they fly.
I cant recall if it was on the internet or a documentary. I think it may have been a doco.
On a blackboard or similar in the background in the room they are all posing it the quote written. It was different from what he said.
I had a quick google but couldnt find the photo. If someone knows where it is or the name of the doco, please post the link!
Easy - care labels.
I have found them sewn on the inside of nearly all my shirts and pants, and all these years later I can still read them to learn how to take care of them.
Sample:
Warning: toxic nuclear waste. Do not iron. Do not tumble dry. Warm wash with water and soap only. Drip dry in deep bunker 1 mile underground for 10,000 years.
And best of all you get a discount if you buy care labels in batches of more than 1000.
I am sure the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would agree that "nuclear standoff explosions are assessed to be 10-100 times more effective than the non-nuclear alternatives".....
Now I have to wear a tinfoil hat AND a gas mask at work.
I can see these being attached to every Blu-ray2 and HD-DVD2 player.....
So let me see if I have this right: if I have a mathematical problem I cant solve (and God knows, there are a lot of them) then the answer....in a flash of self-proclaimed brilliance.....is to simply make up a new number or number-like thing, and say "thats the answer...not that it really exists or I know what it is or that anyone can prove it"??
Shit, all those nearly failed maths tests I could have romped home, the missed potential PhD in mathematics I could have done.
I need to find someone to sue!
AllOfMp3 is a fantastic site and is clearly delivering what people want: unencumbered music at a reasonable price.
Its Russia's longest standing and most profitable internet business from what I hear.
I have little sympathy for the large record companies: they too are screwing the artists. Just check out what proportion of any CD sale goes to artists. And dont try to tell me it all goes into production costs, publicity or similar - it doesnt cost THAT much per CD to do all that!
The obvious solution is to move the business out of Russia and somewhere else harder to touch.
I for one vote for Borat to run AllOfMp3. Kazakhstan would make a fine location to host this valuable service.
Not to mention on top of credit cards I would then also be able to buy my songs in trade for pigs.
Its because of idiotic, selfish moves like this that Microsoft, Sony etc will eventually lose the whole digital rights battle.
Companies like AllofMP3.com offer the consumers what they want - simply to pay a fee (ok, a small one!) and as a result have a file they can play on whatever products they have that support that common file type.
Unimpeded MP3 is enough to keep most of the world happy....but the major greedy companies just cant cope with the concept. Its not THAT much to ask for.
I still reckon a flat monthly fee to get access to everything is the way to go - and I would pay it. And in case MS and Sony are reading this, the average person would expect that fee to be LESS than their rent or mortgage payment.
There is no denying that getting a fee like that from just about everyone is likely to earn them more revenue than getting a little bit from some people - and encouraging a thriving trade in royalty free MP3 files where no-one pays a cent.
Oh do tell.....how exactly was Saddam planning to make the US "cease to exist"??
What a joke.
The best long distance weapons he had were SCUD D missiles, which the UN states have a 50% probability of hitting their target only to 50 miles. You are just about more likely to kill yourself than a target with SCUDs.
I am most interested to hear which states of the US of A are within 50 miles of Iraq.......
Saddam or his supporters would be lucky to kill a single US citizen if the US had not invaded Iraq.
And perhaps you think all the attacks on US military people are by Saddam supporters? Do you perhaps think it possible that some Iraqi's - even those who hate Saddam - are pissed that the US has invaded their country?
You seem to fall for all the "oh my God the world is trying to kill us" crap on TV.
Its got nothing to do with "progressive liberal thinkers". It has EVERYTHING to do with reality.
I dont think anyone can deny that Saddam ran a very strict regime....but just because the way he did things isnt like how most Western countries do things doesnt mean it is "wrong" or punishable by death.
Look at how many civilians have been killed in US raids in Iraq over the last few years - it makes Saddam pale into insignificance. Or perhaps people think the ends justify the means?
What surprises me most about Saddam being found guilty and executed for this particular crime is this:
- The village in question contained many people that contributed to a plot to attack Saddam's convoy as it drove through the village.
- The plot was discovered by Saddam, and in typical dictator fashion he sent the boys out to take care of business.
- The order was for the people to be arrested and tried.
- They were arrested. They were tried. They were found guilty. They were executed as a result.
Now the way Iraq does that may not be the same way my country does that, but I still respect their laws and process.
So what does the US do?
- Hold a dodgy trial that the world knows was propped up fully by the US and could only have one result. (Does anyone seriously think there was a chance he would get found innocent and released??!!)
- Ignore the fact that this village was apparently full of many people trying to kill he countries leader.
- Find Saddam guilty of Crimes Against Humanity, and sentence him to death. Its not exactly on par with what I would consider crimes against humanity, but aside from that, surely a plot to kill you is a reason for a leader to take pre-emptive action? In the US the Secret Service and FBI would have cracked down very hard indeed and the penalties would be to the greatest extent of the law - just like they did in Iraq.
- Worse still, they also charge the judge that found them guilty and sentenced them....and they sentenced him to death too.
I cant believe they would sentence a judge carrying out the rules of the land - regardless of how much those rules suck by our standards.
Unfortunately US politicians dont understand the mindset of many people in that region and in particular that country. They NEED a strong hand leading them, almost to the point of a dictator being needed. This is the only way they keep a cap on local infighting, which would otherwise result in constant civil war - which is EXACTLY what is happening now in Iraq, and will continue to happen until a strong leader comes back in. And if you doubt that, find some people from that region and ask them. You may just be surprised atthe answer you get....(I was...)
Unfortunately Bush got rid of those people who understood that going into Iraq would cause a 30 year mess and be unwinnable. It is almost amusing to now see the mess they created, as it was completely avoidable. What is sad is the 2000-odd US citizens who have been killed on duty for something that shouldnt be happening.
It would be good to watch a documentary about the original intent and reason for the US invasion of Iraq. Anyone remeber those WMD's that were guaranteed to be there? That seemed like a valid reason to invade Iraq (not that it was - the US has more WMD's than any country). But as that reason was found to be invalid after years of searches, has anyone asked why the US invaded a sovereign country?
And now factor in North Korea. Oh no, they cant have nuclear weapons as they arent a US ally. And Iran. And any other country unfriendly to the US. What a crock.
If anyone should be tried, its the US. The anti-US hatred generated by US actions over the last few years will outlive all of us.
For an agreement to be made, and thus a contract to be entered into, the ISP must have made reasonable efforts to disclose the terms and conditions. If they did not give you a reasonable opportunity to become aware of the t's and c's, then those t's and c's dont apply unless it is commonly understood by the average person that they should apply. This would not apply to termination costs.
...kind of large value IT ones...).
You would need to review what was done to "sign up" very closely. For example if it was done on the internet, then you need to review the whole process and see if at some stage they make available to you the full contract. For example it may have been a URL labelled "Terms and Conditions" just above the "Submit" button. Most places would also make you tick a box saying you read and understood them.
If it was on the phone, then you need to see if they pointed you towards the terms and conditions prior to you agreeing.
I dont know about the US (eww...your lawers are out of control!) but over here in Australia, there is no way that an ISP could later add complexity to an agreement and claim all along that it was as both parties agreed. Generally if they wish to change a contract, you are then able to terminate the contract as you can not be forced to agree with a new contract. In that situation they could also choose to leave you on the old contract...but if not, you have perfect grounds to be let out of your contract without termination fees.
For those never-explained terms to apply to you, you must have had reasonable opportunity to be made aware of them, and to be in the position where you could knowingly agree to them.
In terms of WHEN a contract is formed, its typically when one party makes an offer - the MOMENT the other party accepts that offer, the contract is formed. This can be verbal. It could be fax, email, signature of a contract or whatever. In fact even if there is a written contract, it is very very likely that the contract will have already been formed well before signing by sloppy talking by the party accepting the offer. This is really common in business and not the sign of a good business person. Very. very dangerous,
Obviously written contracts are easier to prove one way or the other if there is a problem, but there are zillions of court cases that support verbal agreements.
The ISP can easily prove a contract exists - simply be proving you allowed installation of the service, used the service, and agreed to pay a fee. You then have an offer (isp service), consideration (payment of the monthly fee) and thats all thats needed for a contract to exist between the parties.
Whats contested here, as others have said, are the terms and conditions of the contract. Simply ask them to prove that you were made aware of any extra terms and conditions they are claiming apply, and if not, cancel payments at your bank and write a harsh letter which makes it clear you know how agreements are made, and that NEITHER party can just change things at will without further MUTUAL agreement to change the terms of the agreement.
Just my 2c. (I happen to negotiate and write contracts for a living
I wonder if there has been more financial damage caused directly by viruses, or more caused indirectly by viruses - because people go and buy AV software??
I thought it was the weight of 1000 cubic cm of pure water? 1cc of water = 1 gram. 1000 grams = 1kg.
The physical kg block sitting in a vacuum in France is just a solid weight that was accurately set to that weight....isnt it??!
Or did they just pick up a hunk of stuff somewhere and say "Yes, lets call this a kilogram and base our whole weight measurement system off it"???
(Then again, you never quite know with the French....)
What the main post doesnt say is that Bigpond both did the incorrect advertisements AND redirected people.
.au ending, meaning nationwide visitors loaded up a gay porn site for porn star Casey Donovan. It contains R-rated pictures.
Bigpond is part of Telstra (in effect a department specialising in internet access), and is Australia's biggest ISP. (Telstra is the biggest Telco/ISP)
What happened was this:
1) Aussie Casey Donovan wins Australian Idol.
2) Bigpond managed to secure rights to make her single downloadable from the internet 24hrs before the CD was available through shops.
3) Bigpond to advertise this took out half and full page ads in every major newspaper in Australia bignoting you could download the song via them before CD release.
4) At the top of the ad Bigpond had the URL for what was supposed to be Casey Donovan's Australian site. The genius working for the advertising company paid by Telstra to do the ad campaign didnt check the ads before printing them. Neither did the newspapers or anyone else involved.
The ad forgot the
I was not happy with Bigpond deciding that its internet customers would get a redirect site. I do not pay them for a modified and sensored version of the internet - I pay them for the pure internet in all its glory. Good and bad.
If they want a kiddies service that stops people seeing certain things, then they should sell a kiddies account.
I was disappointed that rather than live with their mistake and any grief it might cause, they tried to change people's perceptions. The redirect page did NOT give you enough time to read the text prior to redirecting.
Telstra must have paid Mr Donovan some money I presume, because I note now that the redirect is gone, AND the porn pictures on the front page of his site are too. Its now much more explicitly stated that its a porn site and you must click to enter.
(Telstra makes AUD$4B profit per year...they could afford to make him happy....)
Its not a good precedent. I dont like it at all.
And guess who I work for....
Arak is kids stuff too.
My favourite drink is Spirytus Rektyfikowany.
Its made in Poland by the State Liquor Monopoly.
Its 96% pure.
It doesnt pretend to be a civilised drink. Its just a great way to get hammered. Effectively its pure alchohol. They dont put in any additives.
500ml is 38 standard drinks.
Thanksfully someone thought it should be imported into Australia, so we get to share the Polish spirit!
Yes, I agree. I definitely think v1.0 is less stable than PR1.
It is not at all uncommon for it to crash on me, requiring me to restart Firefox.
Interestingly it just "disappears". It doesnt do a clean crash and do anyyhitn glike tell me or ask if I want to submit info about the crash. Firefox just vanishes.