Therin lies the rub. The spec expecting web browsers to sniff the file or not. Sure it isn't a hard thing to do, it just seems like a major deviation from other W3 standards. I read the gzip support as being a local file handling thing. Otherwise, seems like a bad requirement. But whatever. I imagine those who wrote the spec can clarify, and if the browsers on my computer are not in compliance, they'll get updated if the spec is considered sane. Right now though, I couldn't open it.
Sigh. Ok. I use mod_deflate all the time, and reason is simple. CPU cycles are still far more plentiful than bandwidth, at least for me. At the same time, not every editor I'm going to use to edit an HTML or SVG or whatever text-based encoding might be handles the same with a.gz extension. Heck, not every web browser would know what to do if my index page was index.html.gz. But size of mod_deflate page is 11KB, while real size is closer to 27KB. And if a browser doesn't understand mod_deflate either, no prob. It'll still get a page. Unlike situation I was complaining about where he provided a link that none of the browsers on my computer could open. Yes, I could download Opera to view his link, but I'dve liked to have seen a clear justification for it in the spec.
Ok, I should so totally drop this, but I just don't see where in the spec it indicates that. And p'raps the browsers on this machine just suck (all 3 are Gecko) but all of 'em tried parsing it according to what the mime type said it was without sniffing. And no, I don't see where in the spec link mentioned previously that it says a browser is supposed to sniff image/svg+xml content prior to parsing.
I have read the specs in the past. I'll freely confess to not knowing about the Content Encoding bit. But my complaint still holds. HTTP/1.x 200 OK Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:36:45 GMT Server: Apache Last-Modified: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:00:45 GMT Etag: "1224ce-2015c-426d061d" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 131420 Connection: close Content-Type: image/svg+xml
I don't see any place there where the server indicates what it was serving was gzipped.
That's the problem with W3 specs. Always so confusing. Obviously mime type and file extension are unrelated. Think dynamically served content. Depends purely on mime type. Just 'cause the SVG spec on W3 recommends saving the physical files with a certain extension doesn't mean that browsers need to start using a combination of file extension and mime type to decode.
I refused to concede the point.:) It doesn't seem to me a browser should be expected to examine the file extension to determine whether to do a gzip filter prior to parsing the file. If file extension was the key, one wouldn't need mime type to know what.svgz was. If that were the case, we'd be right back at where IE is, which does mime, file extension and file content sniffing to parse a file, and as a result managed not a few holes in security between all 3.
Ok, maybe Opera is just odd but... Why on earth would you serve a perfectly standard Inkscape SVG that you had then gzipped as image/svg+xml? Isn't that misleading? Shouldn't you at the very least invent some new type, such as image/svg+xml-gzipped or something? And heck, why on earth did you do the gzip? Sure it saves a few cycles over mod_deflate, but deflate has the distinct advantage that you don't have to start inventing new mime types and handlers for it. just serve it as opera_ch05.svg and be done with it. If you really want to gzip it, call it opera_ch05.svg.gz instead, and offer a link for Opera to the svgz if it does file sniffing or whatever to comprehend a file with a lying mime type.
Yes, everyone else really does have an account. Dunno. I have 48 invitations left, but not really that certain what to do with 'em. I 'spose if you really want one, go ahead and e-mail me.
Pity you didn't paste the appropriate part of the wikipedia article. "TTLs also occur in the Domain Name System (DNS), where they are set by an authoritative nameserver for a particular Resource Record. When a Caching (recursive) nameserver queries the authoritative nameserver for a Resource Record, it will cache that record for the time specified by the TTL."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_live
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Just as an experiment, I launched it in epiphany. None of the (available) javascript restrictions are enabled by default. And I do think, Gecko has had restrictions that block this sort of window respawning trick for a long time. On the plus side, after an xkill (force quit in gnome probably would have worked too) I went to.gnome2/epiphany and edited session_crashed.xml, removed all the entries for the site, then fired up Epiphany, which recovered the rest of my session fine.
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So, in summary. * You don't know the name of this company. * You don't know if it is the same company as you supposedly got business card spam from (not that I'm doubting you, there's every kind of spam out there, but again, this is all just speculation) * You think your company might be getting charged $8-10, but don't know that either. Shipping included or just cost of driving over to pick 'em up? * From some anonymous printshop * For what sounds like a single colour job.
How silly of us for having succumbed to the wiles of online printshops. We are duly chastened.
Could you possibly be referring to VistaPrint's fairly famous $5 business card deal for 250 cards?
While I (and many others I know) have cards from them, I've never once heard of them having a reputation for spamming. There's a difference between "heard about in an e-mail" (which could mean their mother e-mailed them an offer) and a company sending unsolicited commercial mail.
A couple of companies I've worked at buy all their cards from VistaPrint - the main difference being they cost a bit more to order them without the VistaPrint logo on the back. So in terms of getting a shipping address to them, it wasn't even as though I was giving them one they didn't have already.
I'm genuinely curious as to where you could get a small order of 250 custom business cards of good quality (i.e. not the perforated printout variety) , for $5 including shipping. Please, do educate us.:)
Re: the Adobe Acrobat thing. Unfortunate to have to resort to this, but I've found following these instructions in the Firefox FAQ pretty much eliminates crashiness. http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefo x/faq#acrobat
Another trivial solution to the potential of the hands-free wire acting as an antenna is simply to loop the wire around a small magnet. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005Jan /gee20050 126028849.htm
Totally agree, we only have marginal evidence for bacterial "fossils" Of course, the problem is distinguishing martian bacterial spores from contamination on earth. Earth is teeming with life and any "martian attack" would be quickly overwhelmed or simply blend in.
And no question a trip through space is hazardous, even to a spore, so trying to get something back from Mars would involve protecting it. Just saying the odds against repeated trips between mars and earth for bacterial spores are not that high. And keep in mind most of this would have been when mars may have well been a bit more pleasant.
I think the calculations from the aforementioned discussion were based upon spore density on earth, freqnuency of impacts in the past, and amount of ejecta from impact to achieve escape velocity.
Lot of worry over nothing. Fact is, a lot of martian rock ends up on earth, and some earth rock ends up on mars. This has happened often enough that it wouldn't be surprising to find that martian life was an awful lot like life here on earth.
Heck, there was an interesting discussion on the Mars Society lists about this a while back. With some off-the-cuff calculations of escape velocities, ejecta from planets due to impacts and outer bounds for bacterial spores survivals here on earth - even (especially?) in the frigid extremes of space - of 25 million or so, we were figuring bacteria could easily travel interstellar distances once they got past the odds against having been shot in the right direction.
How about just colouring glyphs in URL bar based upon where they are from? Or heck, colouring a URL bar, say, red if it includes characters that are either non-ASCII or not in the user's default i18n charset? Heck, could even have a little warning bar below it similar to how Firefox notes it blocked a pop-up.
Seems this is more just a question of informing the user.
I've had the same problem. Although I'm being generous and ascribing it to: 12/10/2004 If you recently began receiving an error message indicating that your sign on has been blocked because your account has been suspended, please be patient as we restore the accounts over the next several days. We apologize for the inconvenience.
In the bug list. I hope this is the case, since my login is just as old.
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Therin lies the rub. The spec expecting web browsers to sniff the file or not.
Sure it isn't a hard thing to do, it just seems like a major deviation from other W3 standards.
I read the gzip support as being a local file handling thing. Otherwise, seems like a bad requirement.
But whatever.
I imagine those who wrote the spec can clarify, and if the browsers on my computer are not in compliance, they'll get updated if the spec is considered sane. Right now though, I couldn't open it.
Sigh. .gz extension.
Ok. I use mod_deflate all the time, and reason is simple.
CPU cycles are still far more plentiful than bandwidth, at least for me.
At the same time, not every editor I'm going to use to edit an HTML or SVG or whatever text-based encoding might be handles the same with a
Heck, not every web browser would know what to do if my index page was index.html.gz.
But size of mod_deflate page is 11KB, while real size is closer to 27KB.
And if a browser doesn't understand mod_deflate either, no prob. It'll still get a page.
Unlike situation I was complaining about where he provided a link that none of the browsers on my computer could open. Yes, I could download Opera to view his link, but I'dve liked to have seen a clear justification for it in the spec.
Ok, I should so totally drop this, but I just don't see where in the spec it indicates that.
And p'raps the browsers on this machine just suck (all 3 are Gecko) but all of 'em tried parsing it according to what the mime type said it was without sniffing.
And no, I don't see where in the spec link mentioned previously that it says a browser is supposed to sniff image/svg+xml content prior to parsing.
I have read the specs in the past. I'll freely confess to not knowing about the Content Encoding bit.
But my complaint still holds.
HTTP/1.x 200 OK
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:36:45 GMT
Server: Apache
Last-Modified: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:00:45 GMT
Etag: "1224ce-2015c-426d061d"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 131420
Connection: close
Content-Type: image/svg+xml
I don't see any place there where the server indicates what it was serving was gzipped.
That's the problem with W3 specs. Always so confusing.
:) .svgz was. If that were the case, we'd be right back at where IE is, which does mime, file extension and file content sniffing to parse a file, and as a result managed not a few holes in security between all 3.
Obviously mime type and file extension are unrelated. Think dynamically served content. Depends purely on mime type.
Just 'cause the SVG spec on W3 recommends saving the physical files with a certain extension doesn't mean that browsers need to start using a combination of file extension and mime type to decode.
I refused to concede the point.
It doesn't seem to me a browser should be expected to examine the file extension to determine whether to do a gzip filter prior to parsing the file. If file extension was the key, one wouldn't need mime type to know what
Ok, maybe Opera is just odd but...
Why on earth would you serve a perfectly standard Inkscape SVG that you had then gzipped as image/svg+xml?
Isn't that misleading?
Shouldn't you at the very least invent some new type, such as image/svg+xml-gzipped or something?
And heck, why on earth did you do the gzip? Sure it saves a few cycles over mod_deflate, but deflate has the distinct advantage that you don't have to start inventing new mime types and handlers for it.
just serve it as opera_ch05.svg and be done with it.
If you really want to gzip it, call it opera_ch05.svg.gz instead, and offer a link for Opera to the svgz if it does file sniffing or whatever to comprehend a file with a lying mime type.
MNG format includes JNG.
http://www.libpng.org/pub/mng/spec/jng.html
I have no idea if this spec infringes or not. It seems to allow significant variation in encoding though.
Yes, everyone else really does have an account.
Dunno. I have 48 invitations left, but not really that certain what to do with 'em.
I 'spose if you really want one, go ahead and e-mail me.
Pity you didn't paste the appropriate part of the wikipedia article.
"TTLs also occur in the Domain Name System (DNS), where they are set by an authoritative nameserver for a particular Resource Record. When a Caching (recursive) nameserver queries the authoritative nameserver for a Resource Record, it will cache that record for the time specified by the TTL."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_live
Just as an experiment, I launched it in epiphany. .gnome2/epiphany and edited session_crashed.xml, removed all the entries for the site, then fired up Epiphany, which recovered the rest of my session fine.
None of the (available) javascript restrictions are enabled by default. And I do think, Gecko has had restrictions that block this sort of window respawning trick for a long time.
On the plus side, after an xkill (force quit in gnome probably would have worked too) I went to
http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#acrobat
Not only "slowly" but also unstably.
Every system I've applied this FAQ entry to has much better performance.
So, in summary.
* You don't know the name of this company.
* You don't know if it is the same company as you supposedly got business card spam from (not that I'm doubting you, there's every kind of spam out there, but again, this is all just speculation)
* You think your company might be getting charged $8-10, but don't know that either. Shipping included or just cost of driving over to pick 'em up?
* From some anonymous printshop
* For what sounds like a single colour job.
How silly of us for having succumbed to the wiles of online printshops. We are duly chastened.
Could you possibly be referring to VistaPrint's fairly famous $5 business card deal for 250 cards?
:)
While I (and many others I know) have cards from them, I've never once heard of them having a reputation for spamming. There's a difference between "heard about in an e-mail" (which could mean their mother e-mailed them an offer) and a company sending unsolicited commercial mail.
A couple of companies I've worked at buy all their cards from VistaPrint - the main difference being they cost a bit more to order them without the VistaPrint logo on the back. So in terms of getting a shipping address to them, it wasn't even as though I was giving them one they didn't have already.
I'm genuinely curious as to where you could get a small order of 250 custom business cards of good quality (i.e. not the perforated printout variety) , for $5 including shipping.
Please, do educate us.
Probably because most people aren't interested in 'em.
I've never found them more than a way to make my wrist hurt.
Keyboard shortcuts are plenty.
For the limited audience for whom it is useful, adding Optimoz ain't hard.
And as for his other point.
http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/index.html
Think is though... Mouse gestures, big deal. I've never got into 'em personally. The Optimoz pie menus were kinda neat though.
Re: the Adobe Acrobat thing.o x/faq#acrobat
Unfortunate to have to resort to this, but I've found following these instructions in the Firefox FAQ pretty much eliminates crashiness.
http://www.mozilla.org/support/firef
Another trivial solution to the potential of the hands-free wire acting as an antenna is simply ton /gee20050 126028849.htm
loop the wire around a small magnet.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005Ja
Simple. Just have a cover matching case material colour that is pushed out of the way when you plug the iPod in.
Totally agree, we only have marginal evidence for bacterial "fossils"
Of course, the problem is distinguishing martian bacterial spores from contamination on earth.
Earth is teeming with life and any "martian attack" would be quickly overwhelmed or simply blend in.
And no question a trip through space is hazardous, even to a spore, so trying to get something back from Mars would involve protecting it.
Just saying the odds against repeated trips between mars and earth for bacterial spores are not that high. And keep in mind most of this would have been when mars may have well been a bit more pleasant.
I think the calculations from the aforementioned discussion were based upon spore density on earth, freqnuency of impacts in the past, and amount of ejecta from impact to achieve escape velocity.
Lot of worry over nothing. Fact is, a lot of martian rock ends up on earth, and some earth rock ends up on mars.
This has happened often enough that it wouldn't be surprising to find that martian life was an awful lot like life here on earth.
Heck, there was an interesting discussion on the Mars Society lists about this a while back. With some off-the-cuff calculations of escape velocities, ejecta from planets due to impacts and outer bounds for bacterial spores survivals here on earth - even (especially?) in the frigid extremes of space - of 25 million or so, we were figuring bacteria could easily travel interstellar distances once they got past the odds against having been shot in the right direction.
I can print it out even faster.1 1111111111 1111111111111
:)
Here.
2^64-1 for example.
111111111111111111111111111111111111111
Oh.
You want it represented in base 10?
How about just colouring glyphs in URL bar based upon where they are from?
Or heck, colouring a URL bar, say, red if it includes characters that are either non-ASCII or not in the user's default i18n charset?
Heck, could even have a little warning bar below it similar to how Firefox notes it blocked a pop-up.
Seems this is more just a question of informing the user.
Reads almost as well without the -sponsored and While, you pedant.
I've had the same problem.
Although I'm being generous and ascribing it to:
12/10/2004 If you recently began receiving an error message indicating that your sign on has been blocked because your account has been suspended, please be patient as we restore the accounts over the next several days. We apologize for the inconvenience.
In the bug list.
I hope this is the case, since my login is just as old.
Really? Is it disabled by default? Because according to my webserver logs, all the IE clients don't seem to trigger mod_deflate (unlike Mozilla).
And yes, this is on topic.
gzip compression of semi-XML