No, you listen you dumb fuck, it would a requirement, not a recommendation. If you want to play multiplayer you NEED an internet connection. It's like saying "If you want to drive, we recommend a car" when they should've said "If you want to drive, you need a car".
You learn some English, and how to log in, fuckhead.
I'd be more worried about wardrivers. A lapse in security could result in someone on the street loading the master control program and thinking it's to ruin a few thousand high end processor chips. Hell, could you imagine how bad it would be if someone maliciously turned off the error checking on the sensors and it went un-noticed for even a days worth of manufacturing.
I would like to hope that this will drive down chip costs to the consumer, but the ironic/funny thing is is that I fear it will jack them through the roof for 6 months so they can pay for the damn lab.
I would think that the number of people using the connection to just check their email or lightly browse the web would be a much greater percentage than the people using theirs to say, run a popular, public ftp warez server. The people barely using theirs' would certainly free up a great deal of bandwidth, probably more than any one or two leachers could hog up.
I know this is some crazy shit, but usually people's personal sites are really hard to beat for up to the minute news about that person. Just a thought..
"I'M GETTING A MOUNTAIN DEW, ANYONE ELSE WANT ONE?"
"NO!"
"I cast Magic Missle!"
"Why are you attacking, their's nothing to attack here."
"I uh, I uh..I attack the darkness."
"Their's an ogre standing in front of you"
"How could there be an ogre in front of me, I had mordiky's magical watchdog cast"
"Actually, you didn't. You never actually bought the components so now their's ogres, deal with it"
"OGRES! I HAVE AN OGRE SLAYING KNIVE +3!"
"Fool, you aren't even in the cave, you're back in town."
"COOL! ROLL TO SEE IF I'M GETTING DRUNK!"
"Yeah, you are."
"ARE THEIR ANY GIRLS THERE?"
"YES!"
"IF THEIR'S ANY GIRLS THERE I WANNA DO EM!"
There you have it. Satan's game. But hey, it's not their fault. It's their gym teachers, for making them feel like crap because they couldn't do one lousy pullup.
The point of Doom is to help one another! You sit there, all smug in your living room, never knowing how close to hell you came. If it wasn't for me, you'd be ass-deep in cacodemons right now! And where's the gratitude? Where's the love? I'll admit it, I shot a few things. I shot 10's of 1000's of a lot of things. I'm not proud of it, but when undead biznitches are charging me in some god-forsaken hallway, something I you just gotta whip out that chain gun and cut some demon's in half.
Actually, you were the first person to prove me wrong with actual facts. I was told one thing from someone I trust, repeated it here, defended it, and you showed me I was told incorrectly the first time. You even backed it up with facts. And your post didn't contain the words "newb" "llama" or "stupid fucker".
Nice defense for your side of the position. And for my final words on this subject, to avoid feeling stupid, I managed to get a hold of a friend of mine's father, a blackjack dealer here in Vegas. His response?(you can choose to believe this or not, but since 95% of you getting so heated over this debate don't even live in Vegas and yet still attempt to speak from a position of knowledge and experience, I'm sure truth and credability isn't a primary concern in your conversation)
"Yes, it is cheating. Essentially, anything that gives you an unfair advantage over the other players or dealer is considered cheating. As for the casino confiscating money from suspected card counters, it does happen, but not often. It's mainly used as a more or less "bonus punishment" on unruly gamblers suspected of card counting. Most people would rather give it back than see how far the casino is willing to push the issue, so if the casino asks, they usually get it. The police really have no say in the matter, either. The casino can simply say "We know he's cheating. He's stealing our money by doing so."
You were doing ok, as well. Right up until that last sentence. Nice "So there!" remark. Really easy to discount your intelligent reply if you end with some stupid shit like that. And, more importantly, unless you live in Vegas, shut the fuck up. You speak about how I'm not listening and how I'm ignoring the facts well wake up numbnuts, so is everyone else. Everyone keeps shouting "It's not cheating!" up and down but no one has even tried to explain to me how it's not. Casino's don't care if you're using telepathy or strategically placed cameras or magnets or fucking homing pigeons, or even remembering the place of cards in a deck, it's all fucking cheating. How fucking stupid can you be? You're just employing one of the many ways in which to cheat, and just because I'm not palming cards or using magnets, etc., doesn't mean I'm not doing shady, underhanded shit in order to make sure I have a much better chance of winning I wouln't of had if I hadn't counted cards in the first place. You seem to possess the same mentality that hackers have when they say they should get off light for transferring bank funds. Bank robbery is bank robbery.
This is a stupid arguement, and it's going no where. My point is, cheating is cheating, no matter how you do it, whether you use technology or basic memorization skills. As for the casino taking your money, I'll admit their may have been some circumstances that prompted the cheater to give his money back when asked the first time by casino officials, but I'm sure whatever they offered him for option #2, giving the money back was the wiser choice.
How is it against the law? You stole from them! You didn't earn that money, and no matter how clever you were in screwing the system, cheating is cheating. Doing it in a slick, uber-cool way doens't make that any less true. In their eyes, what you did is more or less the same thing as a thief breaking into a safe.
Let me just get one thing straight. I never said they were going to arrest you, I just said they were going to take their money back. You're on private property breaking a rule(law) of the establishment you're in, subject to their rules and punishments. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. I don't know about other states, but in Nevada their are laws that allow employees of any business to physically detain suspected thieves for the purpose of getting the stolen property back and or detaining them until the police arrive.
Read the DMCA posts, you'll get a new list. Let me explain it a little better. Doing something illegal in a clever, imaginative, or extremely-intelligent way does not excuse you of the crime.
No one, at any time, said they don't care that the casino's think it's cheating, everyone actually said flat out that they don't believe it is.
Strike 1
Casino's make their own rules as to what's what in cheating, not State Law.
Strike 2
You obtain the money in a way that is against policy in a casino, whether it's officially cheating or not is mute at this point. You more or less stole from them. They have every right to consider you in the same way they would a thief. Explain to me why they wouldn't have every right to take it back?
I think the whole cheating/not cheating arguement is getting lame. Put simply: You're doing something in a game of cards that gives you an unfair advantage so that you can win more money. That sounds like the definition of cheating to me, just because you aren't using a mechanical device or magnets or some shit doesn't mean it's not cheating. The "using your brain to win" is not cheating. Your brain didn't physically place the bet, so that logic is flawed. That's like saying "I killed someone with a portable rail gun but it's not murder because I had to really put my mind into making the gun".
Regardless of how you feel, they consider it cheating. My god, it's a damn Vegas Casino. Have you ever even been to Vegas? If you had an ability where if you scratched your ass in a circular pattern the chances for a face card coming up next increased, they would kick you out.
As for them taking the money, it does happen. Maybe not 100% of the time, but it does happen. Until you hit that door, they don't give a shit. All that money in your pockets you just won, it isn't even yours yet. If they feel you cheated, then the next logical progression in that mode of thinking would be "if he cheated to get it, it's not his" and they'll yank that shit right back.
Well, I've watched him do it on numerous occasions, so it is possible. All he's doing is tipping the odds in his favor, not rigging every hand to get maximum payoff.
As for the issue of them taking the money, they have every right. You're a guest on their property and if they believe you cheated to get the money, then the money isn't yours, and they take it back. I've actually seen them do it to people, and you can't do shit about it. If you do try to push it, I'm pretty sure there resources(money, lawyers, hired thugs) out rank yours, so they'll have no qualms about going toe-to-toe over it. The most they have to give you is the money you came their with, end of story.
The reason they don't arrest you is because it's impossible to prove, even if they're sure you're card counting.
And try to keep to the Hillary Rosen, DMCA references to topic that's actually on that subject, you slashdot puppet. God I hate that shit. Typical conversation with a slashdotter:
Me: I'm hungry./.'ter: THAT'S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO EAT. IT'S A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN THEM, THE DMCA, AND THE FCC! ONLY BY USING LINUX TO PLAY NEVERWINTER NIGHTS CAN YOU FIGHT BACK!
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No, you listen you dumb fuck, it would a requirement, not a recommendation. If you want to play multiplayer you NEED an internet connection. It's like saying "If you want to drive, we recommend a car" when they should've said "If you want to drive, you need a car".
You learn some English, and how to log in, fuckhead.
Yeah, but if you know where the building is, you could always wardrive with a high-gain directional attenna.
I'd be more worried about wardrivers. A lapse in security could result in someone on the street loading the master control program and thinking it's to ruin a few thousand high end processor chips. Hell, could you imagine how bad it would be if someone maliciously turned off the error checking on the sensors and it went un-noticed for even a days worth of manufacturing.
I would like to hope that this will drive down chip costs to the consumer, but the ironic/funny thing is is that I fear it will jack them through the roof for 6 months so they can pay for the damn lab.
I would think that the number of people using the connection to just check their email or lightly browse the web would be a much greater percentage than the people using theirs to say, run a popular, public ftp warez server. The people barely using theirs' would certainly free up a great deal of bandwidth, probably more than any one or two leachers could hog up.
Yeah, but you ever run Half-life on a cluster of boxes with Oxygen Wildcat cards? Damn.....
I know this is some crazy shit, but usually people's personal sites are really hard to beat for up to the minute news about that person. Just a thought..
"WHERE ARE THE CHEETOS?!"
"Their over there, quit yelling!"
"WHERE'S THE MOUNTAIN DEW?!"
"In the fridge. DUH!"
"I'M GETTING A MOUNTAIN DEW, ANYONE ELSE WANT ONE?"
"NO!"
"I cast Magic Missle!"
"Why are you attacking, their's nothing to attack here."
"I uh, I uh..I attack the darkness."
"Their's an ogre standing in front of you"
"How could there be an ogre in front of me, I had mordiky's magical watchdog cast"
"Actually, you didn't. You never actually bought the components so now their's ogres, deal with it"
"OGRES! I HAVE AN OGRE SLAYING KNIVE +3!"
"Fool, you aren't even in the cave, you're back in town."
"COOL! ROLL TO SEE IF I'M GETTING DRUNK!"
"Yeah, you are."
"ARE THEIR ANY GIRLS THERE?"
"YES!"
"IF THEIR'S ANY GIRLS THERE I WANNA DO EM!"
There you have it. Satan's game. But hey, it's not their fault. It's their gym teachers, for making them feel like crap because they couldn't do one lousy pullup.
Sure, his wife was over 11' tall and had hooves, but I'm sure she was a decent human being. Isn't that one of Lumbarg's kids?
The point of Doom is to help one another! You sit there, all smug in your living room, never knowing how close to hell you came. If it wasn't for me, you'd be ass-deep in cacodemons right now! And where's the gratitude? Where's the love? I'll admit it, I shot a few things. I shot 10's of 1000's of a lot of things. I'm not proud of it, but when undead biznitches are charging me in some god-forsaken hallway, something I you just gotta whip out that chain gun and cut some demon's in half.
It's the American way.
Or the Itchy and Scratchy disclamier that comes AFTER the damn cartoon:
"The cartoon you just watched contained scenes of extreme violence, and should not have been viewed by children."
Actually, you were the first person to prove me wrong with actual facts. I was told one thing from someone I trust, repeated it here, defended it, and you showed me I was told incorrectly the first time. You even backed it up with facts. And your post didn't contain the words "newb" "llama" or "stupid fucker".
Bravo, I stand corrected.
Nice defense for your side of the position. And for my final words on this subject, to avoid feeling stupid, I managed to get a hold of a friend of mine's father, a blackjack dealer here in Vegas. His response?(you can choose to believe this or not, but since 95% of you getting so heated over this debate don't even live in Vegas and yet still attempt to speak from a position of knowledge and experience, I'm sure truth and credability isn't a primary concern in your conversation)
"Yes, it is cheating. Essentially, anything that gives you an unfair advantage over the other players or dealer is considered cheating. As for the casino confiscating money from suspected card counters, it does happen, but not often. It's mainly used as a more or less "bonus punishment" on unruly gamblers suspected of card counting. Most people would rather give it back than see how far the casino is willing to push the issue, so if the casino asks, they usually get it. The police really have no say in the matter, either. The casino can simply say "We know he's cheating. He's stealing our money by doing so."
You were doing ok, as well. Right up until that last sentence. Nice "So there!" remark. Really easy to discount your intelligent reply if you end with some stupid shit like that. And, more importantly, unless you live in Vegas, shut the fuck up. You speak about how I'm not listening and how I'm ignoring the facts well wake up numbnuts, so is everyone else. Everyone keeps shouting "It's not cheating!" up and down but no one has even tried to explain to me how it's not. Casino's don't care if you're using telepathy or strategically placed cameras or magnets or fucking homing pigeons, or even remembering the place of cards in a deck, it's all fucking cheating. How fucking stupid can you be? You're just employing one of the many ways in which to cheat, and just because I'm not palming cards or using magnets, etc., doesn't mean I'm not doing shady, underhanded shit in order to make sure I have a much better chance of winning I wouln't of had if I hadn't counted cards in the first place. You seem to possess the same mentality that hackers have when they say they should get off light for transferring bank funds. Bank robbery is bank robbery.
This is a stupid arguement, and it's going no where. My point is, cheating is cheating, no matter how you do it, whether you use technology or basic memorization skills. As for the casino taking your money, I'll admit their may have been some circumstances that prompted the cheater to give his money back when asked the first time by casino officials, but I'm sure whatever they offered him for option #2, giving the money back was the wiser choice.
How is it against the law? You stole from them! You didn't earn that money, and no matter how clever you were in screwing the system, cheating is cheating. Doing it in a slick, uber-cool way doens't make that any less true. In their eyes, what you did is more or less the same thing as a thief breaking into a safe.
Let me just get one thing straight. I never said they were going to arrest you, I just said they were going to take their money back. You're on private property breaking a rule(law) of the establishment you're in, subject to their rules and punishments. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. I don't know about other states, but in Nevada their are laws that allow employees of any business to physically detain suspected thieves for the purpose of getting the stolen property back and or detaining them until the police arrive.
Read the DMCA posts, you'll get a new list. Let me explain it a little better. Doing something illegal in a clever, imaginative, or extremely-intelligent way does not excuse you of the crime.
No one, at any time, said they don't care that the casino's think it's cheating, everyone actually said flat out that they don't believe it is.
Strike 1
Casino's make their own rules as to what's what in cheating, not State Law.
Strike 2
You obtain the money in a way that is against policy in a casino, whether it's officially cheating or not is mute at this point. You more or less stole from them. They have every right to consider you in the same way they would a thief. Explain to me why they wouldn't have every right to take it back?
Strike 3
Grow a rebuttle.
Shamelessly stolen bit of news from Penny-Arcade
I think the whole cheating/not cheating arguement is getting lame. Put simply: You're doing something in a game of cards that gives you an unfair advantage so that you can win more money. That sounds like the definition of cheating to me, just because you aren't using a mechanical device or magnets or some shit doesn't mean it's not cheating. The "using your brain to win" is not cheating. Your brain didn't physically place the bet, so that logic is flawed. That's like saying "I killed someone with a portable rail gun but it's not murder because I had to really put my mind into making the gun".
Regardless of how you feel, they consider it cheating. My god, it's a damn Vegas Casino. Have you ever even been to Vegas? If you had an ability where if you scratched your ass in a circular pattern the chances for a face card coming up next increased, they would kick you out.
As for them taking the money, it does happen. Maybe not 100% of the time, but it does happen. Until you hit that door, they don't give a shit. All that money in your pockets you just won, it isn't even yours yet. If they feel you cheated, then the next logical progression in that mode of thinking would be "if he cheated to get it, it's not his" and they'll yank that shit right back.
Well, I've watched him do it on numerous occasions, so it is possible. All he's doing is tipping the odds in his favor, not rigging every hand to get maximum payoff.
As for the issue of them taking the money, they have every right. You're a guest on their property and if they believe you cheated to get the money, then the money isn't yours, and they take it back. I've actually seen them do it to people, and you can't do shit about it. If you do try to push it, I'm pretty sure there resources(money, lawyers, hired thugs) out rank yours, so they'll have no qualms about going toe-to-toe over it. The most they have to give you is the money you came their with, end of story.
Damn, massive brain fart. Guess I need to work on counting numbers before I graduate to cards.
Someone set us up the shitty translation!
The reason they don't arrest you is because it's impossible to prove, even if they're sure you're card counting.
/.'ter: THAT'S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO EAT. IT'S A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN THEM, THE DMCA, AND THE FCC! ONLY BY USING LINUX TO PLAY NEVERWINTER NIGHTS CAN YOU FIGHT BACK!
And try to keep to the Hillary Rosen, DMCA references to topic that's actually on that subject, you slashdot puppet. God I hate that shit. Typical conversation with a slashdotter:
Me: I'm hungry.
Remember Duke3d, the map with the guy from doom dead on the ground? And duke goes "That's one doomed space marine"?..too damn funny.