Is this qt lib 100% backwards compatible with the old qt? Can I go in and axe my non-gnu qt lib and put my system at peace (I don't have KDE installed, I really only installed qt for licq)?
This actually makes licq GNU-friendly. I like that. And hopefully, KDE will be made GNU-friendly as well..
The topic speaks for itself. This really doesn't surprise me, Moore's Law won't just suddenly run out..
I can imagine back in the days of Vacum Tubes that people didn't expect to come up with a new neat way to shrink technology.. Not until it happened anyway.
The lesson to be learned? Expect great things from technology. Don't bet on anything. Expect limits to be broken or avoided.
I just hope that with an advance like this that we won't stop looking into the next generation of computing (Quantum)
What was that said before? Something about sold on marketing? (: This one's been taken, hook, line, sinker. Anyway, here's what I've heard:
#1: The 'Triple' FPU is actually still lagging on the benchmarks. I can't remember but I think that was on SharkyExtreme
#2: Tom Pabst has been in bed with AMD forever, he repeatedly said that AMD was going to bury Intel with the next latest and greatest as far back as the original K6 (which blew).
#3: The '200' MHz bus is simply a dual 100. Just the same as Matrox's DualBus technology isn't 256 bits, simply 2x128.
#4: All of AMD's talk about full speed, 4 or 8 megs of cache.. Just remember this: When they talk about it being cheap, they mean the 1/2 speed 512k of cache. But as soon as it's convienent, they'll go back to talking about 8 megs of full speed cache. That won't come cheap. (As before, that's called good marketing, avoid the whole truth)
No, REAL marketing lives in controlling the press. When you can feed people advertisments in the form of 'objective product reviews', you are going places.
Actually, yes, that was a hilarious piece of advertising. At least it was subtle, the Panasonic/FedEx/Nokia/Rayban ads were a LOT less subtle. I saw the HP the second time i saw the movie and every time after that (now up to 6, plus all the times I've watched it on my new VCD. Great copy, this VCD is actually of the home video print.. proper music, proper brightness, proper centering for the widescreen->tv aspect transition)
And without specs released, can we (the members of the GNU movement) take a look at NVidea's driver and say 'Hey, this could be written better in parts!'? No, I don't think we can. Neither Matrox or Nvidea have done enough.
A driver is nice, and a GPL'ed driver is better, but specs would be EVEN better.
Specs are nice, but full specs would be EVEN better.
And shut the fsck up about Matrox and GL in Win9x. They shipped a driver with the G400. The only reason that Nvidea had a good driver to ship with the TNT/TNT2's is that they first had the Riva128 to experiment with. Did you ever try the original OpenGL drivers on the Riva128? Simply put, an OpenGL driver is a BIG thing to do. Don't slam Matrox, they tried and eventually delivered.
Isn't that the same IR footage that shows Davidian's firing INTO their own building? I've seen the footage myself, some of the people attempting to escape were killed by their own comrades.
Yeah, and even with a lot of RAM and some nice cheap, fast CPU, Netscape is still known to CRAWL and suck memory like.. well.. I'll avoid the Lewinsky jokes (Damn those VoodooExtreme fools, they get to make ALL the Lewinksky cracks). Anyway, the point is that the program itself is bloatware. A cure COULD be a hideous amount of CPU/RAM but why the hell should I have to crank my system for one single program? This isn't Windows folks! Cheap/Old/GOOD Hardware forever!
Here's a way to look at it that's about as likely and far more scary: Steve Jobs, on some miracle from High Up There, becomes CEO of Disney. Then, he takes Apple and Pixar and whatever else he owns and mixes it into a big Disney shake. The whole idea that Steve would give up Apple is absurd. But this way, who says he has to?
Incidently, I'm only posting this because it's just as likely as the alternative (anyone buying Apple). It just won't happen. Too much money involved.
Buddy, I've done the same. I tried Win2k. So did my best friend. We couldn't even get the thing running. The driver support was flaky (no backwards compatibility with ANY drivers), it crashed routinely running Maya, Lightwave, etc.. Sure it played games, but without full driver support, we were screwed outta our A3D sound.
As far as I'm concerned, MS is in a LOT of trouble with this product, claiming it's all that and a bag of chips.. And it doesn't even run.
Hello? Can you read? It's DIFFICULT to reproduce. Some have, some haven't. For some all it does is make the system crawl. For some, nothing at all. For a select few, System Panic.
Point 2, I should point out, is pure BS. No matter what happens, one userspace app should NEVER bring the whole system crashing down. If the problem lays in "Apache's use of system resources" then that means the systems resources are flawed, NOT Apache, no matter how bad the port may or may not be.
Now as to it probably not being a huge thing (i.e. only the benchmarking cgi brings it down), Apple still shouldn't feed us lies about it.
hey hey hey, don't be calling it an OpenGL implementation.. Mesa is a graphics lib that is GL compliant but not officially. so as far as RE goes.. It might be. I'm no lawyer but i do know it was made without SGI's help.. and they own OGL.
I don't know what the future of ISP's are but I don't want it from the cable/telco's. Around here (Calgary), the Shaw@Home service is seriously FLAKY.
So flaky in fact that the tech support lines often give you a greeting that there is 'widespread problems and most cable modems are affected'.
What's worse is the 1 hour plus waiting times for tech support. I remember when a few friends and I took turns passing the phone around for a whole afternoon.. Noon till 3:30. And still on hold when we gave up.
I don't have too many bad experiences with telco's, but before I got cable I had access through the local 'big' ISP called CADVision. But thanks to the fact that DSL tech is almost all on the telco side.. The prices they offered on DSL were just awful (even if it were 2 Megabit). And I didn't go through the telco, they had download quotas.
The idea of ISP's going out and there being no real choice in the matter bothers me greatly. I liked the ISP war in this city before @Home rolled around at an affordable price (~40$CDN a month, plus no need for a second phone line). Lately though, it's just all going to the big companies who control the networks of cabling (be it copper or coaxial).
While we're on the topic of alternate media for MP3 players.. How about Orb disks? A few gigs per disk;) Tho i must admit, i have no clue what kind of battery use an orb reader would need.. Nor do i even know if the things still exist..
Question: How exactly do you store the MP3's on the CD so that the player can read them? An ISO file system? Wouldn't the player then have to recursively scan the fs? Some form of standardized catalog? I mean, a catalog would work pretty well because the media is static (read only).. Any ideas on this? Just something I've always wondered.. Redbook audio is a cool thing just because of how it's set up but you can't hardly do mp3's that way..
Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females screaming and drooling over him? Gack.
Of course, imagine the box office sales..
Lets all do Lucas a favor and list off actors that could do the role who AREN'T Leo. I'm sure we could come across far better actors who aren't hearthrobs.
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Actually, if my memory serves, a new stable series is chosen not only when the codebase is getting stable(r) but also when certain features make it in. As i recall, the 2.2-pre kernels came out when Linus said 'Ok, that's enough' and put a feature freeze down, working on bugs instead of adding stuff.
Just food for thought.
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[please excuse semi-kindling response] I had so much trouble getting kde 1.0 to work and when it did it was very crashy and sucked troll balls. THe pics looked very familiar and 9x-esque while gnome looked oh so unfamiliar. However I I have switch to gnome and it is stable and the background pics are cool and Propaganda was so easy to get. I am using E-Mac E and GTK+ theme and it feel like i am on my old mac. IT rools.
ok that's about all i can stand to do. my point is that both DE's are far better then they once were. both have integration. both are customizable. while my personal preference lies with gnome, that's all it is. personal preference.
frankly, reading this post was worse then listening to the average born again christian. a born again KDE zealot. ouch. all the signs are there: 'gnome is more worried about flash then stability' no, gnome is just more flashy and wasn't stable in 1.0, that's all.
so while you're wandering around themes.org as instructed by the above poster, look at GTK+ and themes for E. and Propaganda. and KDE themes. you'll see that the beauty of linux lies in it's diversity.
And when does this reach it's critical mass? How much CAN you take off the software? Are we going to reach a point where the only bit of software we have is that which writes the (hopefully) upgradable driver?
And then, will the standards still be there? Will they be open? We can hope so, but we have to remember that hardware companies can be extremely stuffy about giving away hardware specs. Just look at Aureal or Creative Labs who won't release specs for driver writing to the Linux community.
Recently, more and more is moving to the hardware. And as Moore's law begins to top out we can expect to see more of it. 3D graphics, 3D sound, these tcp/ip stacks, et al. Where does that put software itself?
The scarier part about all this is how people are labeling the killers as 'freaks and mentals' or the equivalent. And to some extent, it's true. Only someone with a little bad wiring would take the hate this far. But at the same time, anyone with 'bad wiring' would be targeted and picked on even more in the school setting.
I won't bring my own experiences into this (they're just like all the others, picked on and what not), I just feel that someone has to say that labeling the killers any futher is possibly a little hypocritical. Labels and what not started this whole thing.
If they were nuts, they probably woulda taken more heat for it. And that would just make it all worse.
Seriously though, I think you're giving the man too little credit. It's easy enough to say 'Yeah, if you give me eternity, I'll do better..' when there ARE people in the industry who've been there just as long. So why aren't there more genius' (is that the plural of genius? hmm).
And honestly, if you'd care to redifine a certain genre of gaming (in this case, first person shooters) every few years, be my guest. Until then, I'd like you to do more then FUD the man.
And as for the greatest, that's still Brian Hook. But only because he's outspoken.
>Carmack a genius? Can this guy do anything other than castles and nazis?
Are you just dumb or what? As far as pute technical programming merit, this man IS a genius. If you've ever heard him lecture at game development conferences, you'd see it for yourself.
Until then, grow the hell up.
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He wasn't whining about 3dfx (not the lower case d) implementations. He was whining about the lack of OpenGL drivers on the Mac platform for 3dfx hardware.
And as far as Spec95 vs Bytemark, I'll never ever accept that a 233 MHz iMac beats a 400 MHz PII. That's just garbage. And when he was referring to speed, he was talking about the speed he got from his own benchmarks with the game he made.
The Rage Pro, on a gaming level, is a load of garbage. My old Voodoo1 has a better 3D feature list.
He says that MacOS's problems have gone away with OS X. But OS X isn't out. OS X _Server_ is out. That's not for everyone. That's not for Mac gamers. So as far as OS X goes, it's not here.
Finally, as far as his equivalent machines go, consider the price of a loaded G3 vs a P2-400. The prices don't even compare, the G3 is priced way out there.
After a rant that long, I think it's fairly obvious that the Mac isn't quite the greatest gaming platform out there. Old Mac's can't do it (Rage Pro), upgraded old Mac's can't do it (no 3dfx OpenGL driver). The new Macs, while nice, are overpriced compared to their equivalent Wintel box. And finally, OS X is still not here (what a shame though, that Win98 is the gaming platform of choice for 9x boxes).
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Is this qt lib 100% backwards compatible with the old qt? Can I go in and axe my non-gnu qt lib and put my system at peace (I don't have KDE installed, I really only installed qt for licq)?
This actually makes licq GNU-friendly. I like that. And hopefully, KDE will be made GNU-friendly as well..
The topic speaks for itself. This really doesn't surprise me, Moore's Law won't just suddenly run out..
I can imagine back in the days of Vacum Tubes that people didn't expect to come up with a new neat way to shrink technology.. Not until it happened anyway.
The lesson to be learned? Expect great things from technology. Don't bet on anything. Expect limits to be broken or avoided.
I just hope that with an advance like this that we won't stop looking into the next generation of computing (Quantum)
What was that said before? Something about sold on marketing? (: This one's been taken, hook, line, sinker. Anyway, here's what I've heard:
#1: The 'Triple' FPU is actually still lagging on the benchmarks. I can't remember but I think that was on SharkyExtreme
#2: Tom Pabst has been in bed with AMD forever, he repeatedly said that AMD was going to bury Intel with the next latest and greatest as far back as the original K6 (which blew).
#3: The '200' MHz bus is simply a dual 100. Just the same as Matrox's DualBus technology isn't 256 bits, simply 2x128.
#4: All of AMD's talk about full speed, 4 or 8 megs of cache.. Just remember this: When they talk about it being cheap, they mean the 1/2 speed 512k of cache. But as soon as it's convienent, they'll go back to talking about 8 megs of full speed cache. That won't come cheap. (As before, that's called good marketing, avoid the whole truth)
Anyway, I'm done.
No, REAL marketing lives in controlling the press. When you can feed people advertisments in the form of 'objective product reviews', you are going places.
Actually, yes, that was a hilarious piece of advertising. At least it was subtle, the Panasonic/FedEx/Nokia/Rayban ads were a LOT less subtle. I saw the HP the second time i saw the movie and every time after that (now up to 6, plus all the times I've watched it on my new VCD. Great copy, this VCD is actually of the home video print.. proper music, proper brightness, proper centering for the widescreen->tv aspect transition)
And without specs released, can we (the members of the GNU movement) take a look at NVidea's driver and say 'Hey, this could be written better in parts!'? No, I don't think we can. Neither Matrox or Nvidea have done enough.
A driver is nice, and a GPL'ed driver is better, but specs would be EVEN better.
Specs are nice, but full specs would be EVEN better.
And shut the fsck up about Matrox and GL in Win9x. They shipped a driver with the G400. The only reason that Nvidea had a good driver to ship with the TNT/TNT2's is that they first had the Riva128 to experiment with. Did you ever try the original OpenGL drivers on the Riva128? Simply put, an OpenGL driver is a BIG thing to do. Don't slam Matrox, they tried and eventually delivered.
Isn't that the same IR footage that shows Davidian's firing INTO their own building? I've seen the footage myself, some of the people attempting to escape were killed by their own comrades.
Yeah, and even with a lot of RAM and some nice cheap, fast CPU, Netscape is still known to CRAWL and suck memory like.. well.. I'll avoid the Lewinsky jokes (Damn those VoodooExtreme fools, they get to make ALL the Lewinksky cracks). Anyway, the point is that the program itself is bloatware. A cure COULD be a hideous amount of CPU/RAM but why the hell should I have to crank my system for one single program? This isn't Windows folks! Cheap/Old/GOOD Hardware forever!
Here's a way to look at it that's about as likely and far more scary: Steve Jobs, on some miracle from High Up There, becomes CEO of Disney. Then, he takes Apple and Pixar and whatever else he owns and mixes it into a big Disney shake. The whole idea that Steve would give up Apple is absurd. But this way, who says he has to?
Incidently, I'm only posting this because it's just as likely as the alternative (anyone buying Apple). It just won't happen. Too much money involved.
Buddy, I've done the same. I tried Win2k. So did my best friend. We couldn't even get the thing running. The driver support was flaky (no backwards compatibility with ANY drivers), it crashed routinely running Maya, Lightwave, etc.. Sure it played games, but without full driver support, we were screwed outta our A3D sound.
As far as I'm concerned, MS is in a LOT of trouble with this product, claiming it's all that and a bag of chips.. And it doesn't even run.
Hello? Can you read? It's DIFFICULT to reproduce. Some have, some haven't. For some all it does is make the system crawl. For some, nothing at all. For a select few, System Panic.
Jeez, wake up already.
Point 2, I should point out, is pure BS. No matter what happens, one userspace app should NEVER bring the whole system crashing down. If the problem lays in "Apache's use of system resources" then that means the systems resources are flawed, NOT Apache, no matter how bad the port may or may not be.
Now as to it probably not being a huge thing (i.e. only the benchmarking cgi brings it down), Apple still shouldn't feed us lies about it.
Well, while the Swirl that won wasn't THAT great, the DG (second placer) was v. cool.
hey hey hey, don't be calling it an OpenGL implementation.. Mesa is a graphics lib that is GL compliant but not officially. so as far as RE goes.. It might be. I'm no lawyer but i do know it was made without SGI's help.. and they own OGL.
I don't know what the future of ISP's are but I don't want it from the cable/telco's. Around here (Calgary), the Shaw@Home service is seriously FLAKY.
So flaky in fact that the tech support lines often give you a greeting that there is 'widespread problems and most cable modems are affected'.
What's worse is the 1 hour plus waiting times for tech support. I remember when a few friends and I took turns passing the phone around for a whole afternoon.. Noon till 3:30. And still on hold when we gave up.
I don't have too many bad experiences with telco's, but before I got cable I had access through the local 'big' ISP called CADVision. But thanks to the fact that DSL tech is almost all on the telco side.. The prices they offered on DSL were just awful (even if it were 2 Megabit). And I didn't go through the telco, they had download quotas.
The idea of ISP's going out and there being no real choice in the matter bothers me greatly. I liked the ISP war in this city before @Home rolled around at an affordable price (~40$CDN a month, plus no need for a second phone line). Lately though, it's just all going to the big companies who control the networks of cabling (be it copper or coaxial).
It's a sad state of affairs
While we're on the topic of alternate media for MP3 players.. How about Orb disks? A few gigs per disk ;) Tho i must admit, i have no clue what kind of battery use an orb reader would need.. Nor do i even know if the things still exist..
Just a thought
Question: How exactly do you store the MP3's on the CD so that the player can read them? An ISO file system? Wouldn't the player then have to recursively scan the fs? Some form of standardized catalog? I mean, a catalog would work pretty well because the media is static (read only).. Any ideas on this? Just something I've always wondered.. Redbook audio is a cool thing just because of how it's set up but you can't hardly do mp3's that way..
Food for thought
Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females screaming and drooling over him? Gack.
Of course, imagine the box office sales..
Lets all do Lucas a favor and list off actors that could do the role who AREN'T Leo. I'm sure we could come across far better actors who aren't hearthrobs.
Actually, if my memory serves, a new stable series is chosen not only when the codebase is getting stable(r) but also when certain features make it in. As i recall, the 2.2-pre kernels came out when Linus said 'Ok, that's enough' and put a feature freeze down, working on bugs instead of adding stuff.
Just food for thought.
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I had so much trouble getting kde 1.0 to work and when it did it was very crashy and sucked troll balls. THe pics looked very familiar and 9x-esque while gnome looked oh so unfamiliar. However I I have switch to gnome and it is stable and the background pics are cool and Propaganda was so easy to get. I am using E-Mac E and GTK+ theme and it feel like i am on my old mac. IT rools.
ok that's about all i can stand to do. my point is that both DE's are far better then they once were. both have integration. both are customizable. while my personal preference lies with gnome, that's all it is. personal preference.
frankly, reading this post was worse then listening to the average born again christian. a born again KDE zealot. ouch. all the signs are there:
'gnome is more worried about flash then stability'
no, gnome is just more flashy and wasn't stable in 1.0, that's all.
so while you're wandering around themes.org as instructed by the above poster, look at GTK+ and themes for E. and Propaganda. and KDE themes. you'll see that the beauty of linux lies in it's diversity.
And when does this reach it's critical mass? How much CAN you take off the software? Are we going to reach a point where the only bit of software we have is that which writes the (hopefully) upgradable driver?
And then, will the standards still be there? Will they be open? We can hope so, but we have to remember that hardware companies can be extremely stuffy about giving away hardware specs. Just look at Aureal or Creative Labs who won't release specs for driver writing to the Linux community.
Recently, more and more is moving to the hardware. And as Moore's law begins to top out we can expect to see more of it. 3D graphics, 3D sound, these tcp/ip stacks, et al. Where does that put software itself?
Food for thought.
The scarier part about all this is how people are labeling the killers as 'freaks and mentals' or the equivalent. And to some extent, it's true. Only someone with a little bad wiring would take the hate this far. But at the same time, anyone with 'bad wiring' would be targeted and picked on even more in the school setting.
I won't bring my own experiences into this (they're just like all the others, picked on and what not), I just feel that someone has to say that labeling the killers any futher is possibly a little hypocritical. Labels and what not started this whole thing.
If they were nuts, they probably woulda taken more heat for it. And that would just make it all worse.
Who needs mature opening salvos? (;
Seriously though, I think you're giving the man too little credit. It's easy enough to say 'Yeah, if you give me eternity, I'll do better..' when there ARE people in the industry who've been there just as long. So why aren't there more genius' (is that the plural of genius? hmm).
And honestly, if you'd care to redifine a certain genre of gaming (in this case, first person shooters) every few years, be my guest. Until then, I'd like you to do more then FUD the man.
And as for the greatest, that's still Brian Hook. But only because he's outspoken.
>Carmack a genius? Can this guy do anything other than castles and nazis?
Are you just dumb or what? As far as pute technical programming merit, this man IS a genius. If you've ever heard him lecture at game development conferences, you'd see it for yourself.
Until then, grow the hell up.
He wasn't whining about 3dfx (not the lower case d) implementations. He was whining about the lack of OpenGL drivers on the Mac platform for 3dfx hardware.
And as far as Spec95 vs Bytemark, I'll never ever accept that a 233 MHz iMac beats a 400 MHz PII. That's just garbage. And when he was referring to speed, he was talking about the speed he got from his own benchmarks with the game he made.
The Rage Pro, on a gaming level, is a load of garbage. My old Voodoo1 has a better 3D feature list.
He says that MacOS's problems have gone away with OS X. But OS X isn't out. OS X _Server_ is out. That's not for everyone. That's not for Mac gamers. So as far as OS X goes, it's not here.
Finally, as far as his equivalent machines go, consider the price of a loaded G3 vs a P2-400. The prices don't even compare, the G3 is priced way out there.
After a rant that long, I think it's fairly obvious that the Mac isn't quite the greatest gaming platform out there. Old Mac's can't do it (Rage Pro), upgraded old Mac's can't do it (no 3dfx OpenGL driver). The new Macs, while nice, are overpriced compared to their equivalent Wintel box. And finally, OS X is still not here (what a shame though, that Win98 is the gaming platform of choice for 9x boxes).