Try embedding a spreadsheet in RTF, and get back to us (is this question for real ?)
Other than to make pretty things for managers, VPs, CEOs, and other clooballs to look at, what good is being able to do that? If your needs for that functionality are that strong, you don't need a word processor you need a Data Display Formatter(tm).
Personally, and maybe this is because mostly I just write code, I just want my word processor to have spelling and grammer checking; nothing fancy required.
For what most people use apps like M$ Word for, the feature set was sufficient in M$ Word 2.0. Most of the new features are just shiny things designed to make people go "Ooooh, neat! I must have that!". Most never even use the feature that persuaded them to buy the product.
In my opinion a word processor, for home use, only needs to have a spell checker and the formatting capability to make paragraphs. All other functions are bloat that keeps the progam running at the same speed a previous version did on a 386. If it is a requirement that you be able to layout your memo like the front page of a news paper 1) you need to rethink if what your writing is in fact a memo, and 2) you probably don't want to use a jack of all trades word processor.
Maybe ease of use was your deciding criteria. Question: what is easier to use out of the box?
A) a fully integrated developers environment, but you don't get useful help because you have to pay extra for that(MSDN), which you have never used before(nor previous version).
B) a command line compiler with nicely formatted help, again never used before
The answer to this question will steer you to your answer of which is superior. And remember if you don't like a feature in an open source program or OS you can change it, but if you don't like a feature in a M$ product the you are stuck with it.
Yes there is a learning curve with linux, but there is also a learning curve to all of your favorite M$ apps and OSes. Before slamming open source programs for lacking the ease of use most WinDoze monkeys are used to, remember two things. 1) that most open source programs are not designed for newbies but for the programmers themselves(who, by the way, are not afraid of learning curves) and 2) remember what the windows platform was like in its infancy, it was not pretty, or user friendly, or intuitive it had a learning curve just like linux has today.
Just because you equate organic to animals doesn't mean that the only source of organic material on the planet are animals. What about petrochemicals? Those molecules are organic, does that mean that oil is an animal? NO of course not that would be silly. Many organic molecules can be synthesized in a lab, with no animals being harmed, tortured, or put through any discomfort. The Article made no mention of animals or religion, so where did the "animal rights/anti-religion issues" come from?
Sorry about replying in almost entirely questions.
Assumption first blinds a man, then sends him running
Remember the FP unit in the P4 is running at DOUBLE CPU clock speed, thats why the FP unit on the P4 looks so good. So, for running at less than half of the Intel FP unit's 3GHz the AMD FP unit is kicking ass, I'd like to see them compared on a clock per clock basis.
#define OH_YES_INDEED 1
int microsoftsuxbadly = OH_YES_INDEED;
An OS has two basic jobs: 1. Share system resources 2. Make applications behave
Everything else should be taken care of at the application level.
Now look at what the MacWeek article thinks an OS should be/have. Today, an OS is not just the kernel and a few command line utilities. It may include a graphical user interface, hundreds of utilities, and additional applications and functions that are required for it to run: Control panels, extensions, libraries and programming kits, and so on, are all part of a modern OS. Many people consider a Web browser, media player (like QuickTime), e-mail, file manager (like the Finder or Windows Explorer) and the like all part of the OS. The OS is all the stuff that companies like Sun or Apple add to make a computer usable.
I'm sorry, but most of those things mentioned in there are applications that run on top of the OS, not OS responsibilities. Some people have confused what they want a computer to do with what they think an OS should do, like our friend at MacWeek.
--Rant Mode-- Maybe the large companies like Sun, Apple, and Microsoft should sell an OS and a bundle of sugested software to improve functionality, much like the Linux distros do. In the quest for increasing user friendliness, so nobody has to know anything about their machine, the fundimentals of what an operating system is have been lost. Now computers are being sold on how nice they look and how easy they are to use.
Look! So easy an untrained Monkey can use it, AND it comes in your choice of translucent colors!!!!!
Is that really how far we have sunk? Can it be that the market-droids have taken over one of the last bastions of geekdom? Is it too late to take it back? even Linux (By Geeks, For Geeks) has been simplified so that the herd of windoze and mac users can be milked for money.
Thats a 100Mhz Double Data Rate bus, that means that 100Mhz acts like 200Mhz, the P4 bus is a Quad Data Rate Bus, that means that its 100Mhz acts like 400Mhz. So all this DDR and QDR talk means that the Athlon bus is not 1/4 the speed but 1/2 the speed IN THEORY remember that RDRAM is faster than SDRAM IN THEORY doesn't mean that it pans out that way in real life.
Programmers are busy writing the next best idiot proof software. The universe, in the meantine, is busy making the next best idiot. The universe is winning.
Athlon will catch up. Yes, way!!!!
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There are already Classic Athlons(you know the slot kind) running at 1.5ghz! It had to be liquid cooled, but it stayed below 0C. Goto Bunny's workshopfor details.
I think I need to try this with my.25 micron K7^H^HClassic Athlon, but I'm only going for 1.33Ghz so maybe, hehehehe;p
'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Remember that the P4 is for uni-processor machines, its bus isn't meant to have more than one P4 on it. That means you can't pair them up, if you want an ultra fast system wait for the dual and quad AMD Thunderbird/Duron mobo's come out.
Just buy the CD, make a cassette of that and rip to MP3. once you own a copy fair use lets you make copies in whatever format you want, as many times as you want. you just can't sell them. You can however give them to your friends.
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know.
I just found the URLs I wanted. These people make QDR memory and these people make the controller. Now this is SRAM memory, not DRAM, but I don't think it would be too hard to make a mobo that took this, couldn't be anymore expensive than RAMBUS could it? Plus the controller has a sustained thoughput of 7.2GBps at 100MHz, WOW!!!!!
The world really is round and aliens are not stealling your socks...
At the very core of the Pentium 4 lie the Arithmetic Logic Units (ALUs), the main integer units of the processor. Intel marketing spiced up the naming of the faster ALUs by calling them the "Rapid Execution Engine," also a fitting name for Texas Hehehehehehehehe......Shrub the Little Bush:) This sounds just like a math co-processor for the 386, only integrated. Oooooh, Aaaaaahhh!
400MHz System Bus
The fastest Pentium III available is designed to work with a 133MHz front side bus (FSB). With approximately 1GBps of bandwidth, this FSB acts as a bottleneck between the CPU and the rest of the system. Intel will remove this bottleneck with the Pentium 4 by using a 100MHz FSB quad-pumped to the equivalent of 400MHz. 400MHz on a 64-bit bus yields 3.2GBps of data bandwidth, three times what the Pentium III's 133MHz FSB can handle. This bandwidth will keep the CPU well connected to the i850 chipset, codenamed Tehama, which will support dual RDRAM channels. All this hub-bub about the 400Mhz bus and now I find out that they are still using RAMBUS:( that crosses this processor off my wish list, maybe you can still stomach RAMBUS. Why pair this processor with RAMBUS when you could pair it with Quad Data Rate Dram, I know its out there I just don't have the URL on hand, someone help me out here.
The Internet is going from a text kind of thing to something more visual I don't know about the rest of you but i don't have enough bandwidth for the text based internet as it is.(It really suck living at the end of a copper line, Max = 26.4 kbps)
In addition, the Pentium 4 will contain a 20-stage pipeline. The pipeline is a processor's assembly line. While this means the Pentium 4 will have a line twice the length of the 10-stage Pentium III, the longer pipeline will create room for speeding up the chip. Could someone explain to me how having a longer pipeline speeds things up? this seems kinda counter intuative to me. Guess its like the pipelines in the 3D GPUs, but i don't see how that would work in a general purpose CPU.
It will contain 42 million transistors, compared with 28 million for the Pentium III. Even with a smaller feature size won't this create a lot of heat, especially running at 1.4Ghz? IANAExpert but since PIII's run at 90C can we expect this CPU to run ultra hot as well?
Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. --George Gordon Noel Byron (1788-1824), [Lord Byron]
If you are the type of person who programs for 12Hrs a day then you probably aren't going to have much of a sex life. But it would probably go under the 6Hrs of web surfing, Cyber-Lovin'.
Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?
I know for a fact that adventure games aren't dying, specificly the text based ones, you just don't sell them. There are a tremendous number of MUDs out there with new ones popping up everyday, in fact I'm trying to completely rewrite one at the moment. Although they all follow a simple basic game play that hasn't changed much since it was paper based (D&D) there is still a lot of variety and innovation (sorry can't say that without thinking of M$).
People feel that a genre is dead when one can't make any money off of it, I disagree. I feel that a genre is dead when nothing new comes out for it.
OT: I'm trying to modify a MUD engine for use with a Doom or Quake client. Actually I'll be using Doom or Quake (modified to have MUD like qualities) as a server and have a slim version for a client. If anybody could give me any pointers on doing this? Mail anything to Meenky.
The answer to your question is 5) 1,3,4, I think(not so sure about 4). Suposedly you don't have to learn anything like grafitti script, you can scrawl into a drawing proggie if you want, and it can decode 'normal' (whatever that means) writing and enter it as text into a notepad like program.
Stewart's law: The more times you cut and paste code, the more errors will be in the original.
n all, its really a shame that this fiasco has occured. The PPC has a much cleaner design than the x86 based chips.
Are you refering to the actual silicon or to the instruction sets? there is a difference, wish i could remember the URL. The actual chip designs have nothing to ddo with the instruction set in the x86 line, however it has everything to do with the ppc line. since ppc's don't have a "micro core" to translate instructions to something that the processor actual uses, therefore x86 based chips can under go radical redesigns more easily the the ppc, IMHO this is causing the Mhz problems.
Where is the news here? This story was here yesterday, only as part of LinuxWorld I thought there were trained squirrels to frown at and poke it? Check stories more carefully before posting them.
There are two things that are important in politics. The first is money and I can't remember what the second one is. -- Ohio political boss and U.S. Senator Mark Hanna, 1895
I admire the strength of your beliefs, but can you really defend your position without bringing religion into it. I believe that if you didn't bring in religion less people would have a kneejerk reaction to you, be it to follow or oppose you. Think carefully about your position, don't rely on the bible to support it. The bible is a document translated and retranslated, millenia old, couched in metaphor. What you read (in english) can't be taken word for word (for that go to the original hebrew[old testament] and greek[new testament]), it also must be adapted for this time, this culture.
And another thing, why is it that you are enlightened and liberals aren't? Why does morality define a crime? Christian morality accepted, and then perpetuated, the idea of africans as a sub-species or second class citizens. A fair number of white supremicists are God fearing people such as your self, subscribing to all the morals set forth in the bible.
Freedom requires eternal vigilance. -- Thomas Jefferson
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somebody writes a 500 bytes perl script to decrypt the tracks? ala DeCSS
This makes my eyes feel like they're crawling out of my head.
What's wrong with RTF or straight-up ascii?
Try embedding a spreadsheet in RTF, and get back to us (is this question for real ?)
Other than to make pretty things for managers, VPs, CEOs, and other clooballs to look at, what good is being able to do that? If your needs for that functionality are that strong, you don't need a word processor you need a Data Display Formatter(tm).
Personally, and maybe this is because mostly I just write code, I just want my word processor to have spelling and grammer checking; nothing fancy required.
Just my 2 cents...
According to pricewatch.com the current going price is $30 - $49
Nope, even that amendment is in danger. When things get bad enough those in charge won't want the public to have weapons they could rebel with.
For what most people use apps like M$ Word for, the feature set was sufficient in M$ Word 2.0. Most of the new features are just shiny things designed to make people go "Ooooh, neat! I must have that!". Most never even use the feature that persuaded them to buy the product.
In my opinion a word processor, for home use, only needs to have a spell checker and the formatting capability to make paragraphs. All other functions are bloat that keeps the progam running at the same speed a previous version did on a 386. If it is a requirement that you be able to layout your memo like the front page of a news paper 1) you need to rethink if what your writing is in fact a memo, and 2) you probably don't want to use a jack of all trades word processor.
Maybe ease of use was your deciding criteria.
The answer to this question will steer you to your answer of which is superior. And remember if you don't like a feature in an open source program or OS you can change it, but if you don't like a feature in a M$ product the you are stuck with it.Question: what is easier to use out of the box?
Yes there is a learning curve with linux, but there is also a learning curve to all of your favorite M$ apps and OSes. Before slamming open source programs for lacking the ease of use most WinDoze monkeys are used to, remember two things.
1) that most open source programs are not designed for newbies but for the programmers themselves(who, by the way, are not afraid of learning curves)
and
2) remember what the windows platform was like in its infancy, it was not pretty, or user friendly, or intuitive it had a learning curve just like linux has today.
Sorry about replying in almost entirely questions.
Assumption first blinds a man, then sends him running
#define OH_YES_INDEED 1
int microsoftsuxbadly = OH_YES_INDEED;
1. Share system resources
2. Make applications behave
Everything else should be taken care of at the application level.
Now look at what the MacWeek article thinks an OS should be/have.
Today, an OS is not just the kernel and a few command line utilities. It may include a graphical user interface, hundreds of utilities, and additional applications and functions that are required for it to run: Control panels, extensions, libraries and programming kits, and so on, are all part of a modern OS. Many people consider a Web browser, media player (like QuickTime), e-mail, file manager (like the Finder or Windows Explorer) and the like all part of the OS. The OS is all the stuff that companies like Sun or Apple add to make a computer usable.
I'm sorry, but most of those things mentioned in there are applications that run on top of the OS, not OS responsibilities. Some people have confused what they want a computer to do with what they think an OS should do, like our friend at MacWeek .
--Rant Mode--
Maybe the large companies like Sun, Apple, and Microsoft should sell an OS and a bundle of sugested software to improve functionality, much like the Linux distros do. In the quest for increasing user friendliness, so nobody has to know anything about their machine, the fundimentals of what an operating system is have been lost. Now computers are being sold on how nice they look and how easy they are to use.
Look! So easy an untrained Monkey can use it, AND it comes in your choice of translucent colors!!!!!
Is that really how far we have sunk? Can it be that the market-droids have taken over one of the last bastions of geekdom? Is it too late to take it back? even Linux (By Geeks, For Geeks) has been simplified so that the herd of windoze and mac users can be milked for money.
Programmers are busy writing the next best idiot proof software. The universe, in the meantine, is busy making the next best idiot. The universe is winning.
I think I need to try this with my .25 micron K7^H^HClassic Athlon, but I'm only going for 1.33Ghz so maybe, hehehehe ;p
'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Assumption first blinds a man, then sends him running
Remember that the P4 is for uni-processor machines, its bus isn't meant to have more than one P4 on it. That means you can't pair them up, if you want an ultra fast system wait for the dual and quad AMD Thunderbird/Duron mobo's come out.
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know.
It will be cracked 2 weeks before official release in the US by some h4x0r in Japan. They will then sell it to US gamers.
I just found the URLs I wanted. These people make QDR memory and these people make the controller. Now this is SRAM memory, not DRAM, but I don't think it would be too hard to make a mobo that took this, couldn't be anymore expensive than RAMBUS could it? Plus the controller has a sustained thoughput of 7.2GBps at 100MHz, WOW!!!!!
The world really is round and aliens are not stealling your socks...
Doesn't all this heat being produced seem excessive to anybody? But at least its not as bad as the Itanium, reportedly 100-150W!!
Now back to your regularly scheduled topic....
Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams.--Mary Ellen Kelly
At the very core of the Pentium 4 lie the Arithmetic Logic Units (ALUs), the main integer units of the processor. Intel marketing spiced up the naming of the faster ALUs by calling them the "Rapid Execution Engine," also a fitting name for Texas :) This sounds just like a math co-processor for the 386, only integrated. Oooooh, Aaaaaahhh!
Hehehehehehehehe......Shrub the Little Bush
400MHz System Bus
The fastest Pentium III available is designed to work with a 133MHz front side bus (FSB). With approximately 1GBps of bandwidth, this FSB acts as a bottleneck between the CPU and the rest of the system. Intel will remove this bottleneck with the Pentium 4 by using a 100MHz FSB quad-pumped to the equivalent of 400MHz. 400MHz on a 64-bit bus yields 3.2GBps of data bandwidth, three times what the Pentium III's 133MHz FSB can handle. This bandwidth will keep the CPU well connected to the i850 chipset, codenamed Tehama, which will support dual RDRAM channels. :( that crosses this processor off my wish list, maybe you can still stomach RAMBUS. Why pair this processor with RAMBUS when you could pair it with Quad Data Rate Dram, I know its out there I just don't have the URL on hand, someone help me out here.
All this hub-bub about the 400Mhz bus and now I find out that they are still using RAMBUS
RAMBUS would make a good name for a clown.
I don't know about the rest of you but i don't have enough bandwidth for the text based internet as it is.(It really suck living at the end of a copper line, Max = 26.4 kbps)
In addition, the Pentium 4 will contain a 20-stage pipeline. The pipeline is a processor's assembly line. While this means the Pentium 4 will have a line twice the length of the 10-stage Pentium III, the longer pipeline will create room for speeding up the chip.
Could someone explain to me how having a longer pipeline speeds things up? this seems kinda counter intuative to me. Guess its like the pipelines in the 3D GPUs, but i don't see how that would work in a general purpose CPU.
It will contain 42 million transistors, compared with 28 million for the Pentium III.
Even with a smaller feature size won't this create a lot of heat, especially running at 1.4Ghz? IANAExpert but since PIII's run at 90C can we expect this CPU to run ultra hot as well?
Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. --George Gordon Noel Byron (1788-1824), [Lord Byron]
Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?
People feel that a genre is dead when one can't make any money off of it, I disagree. I feel that a genre is dead when nothing new comes out for it.
OT: I'm trying to modify a MUD engine for use with a Doom or Quake client. Actually I'll be using Doom or Quake (modified to have MUD like qualities) as a server and have a slim version for a client. If anybody could give me any pointers on doing this? Mail anything to Meenky.
Stewart's law: The more times you cut and paste code, the more errors will be in the original.
Are you refering to the actual silicon or to the instruction sets? there is a difference, wish i could remember the URL. The actual chip designs have nothing to ddo with the instruction set in the x86 line, however it has everything to do with the ppc line. since ppc's don't have a "micro core" to translate instructions to something that the processor actual uses, therefore x86 based chips can under go radical redesigns more easily the the ppc, IMHO this is causing the Mhz problems.
There are two things that are important in politics. The first is money and I can't remember what the second one is. -- Ohio political boss and U.S. Senator Mark Hanna, 1895
And another thing, why is it that you are enlightened and liberals aren't? Why does morality define a crime? Christian morality accepted, and then perpetuated, the idea of africans as a sub-species or second class citizens. A fair number of white supremicists are God fearing people such as your self, subscribing to all the morals set forth in the bible.
Freedom requires eternal vigilance. -- Thomas Jefferson