well, if you ignorant fucks actually knew moore's law, you wouldn't keep spouting the same crap.
i mean, since when did it become okay to rewrite what was said, giving it an entirely different meaning, and then complain when the people who have a clue call you on it?
(posted at +1 to make you happy)
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
it's so easy to pull the 'new architecture' card and expect that to clear up all of the problems, but this isn't just a matter of programs not being p4 optimized. this is a problem with intel mangling a processor design, rushing it to market, essentially abandoning it, and still expecting us to buy it.
if you'll notice, intel has no intention of supporting socket 423 after the current generation of p4. that means that all of the early adopters are going to be pretty royally fucked if they ever want to upgrade. their options will be a) new motherboard or b) sketchy hack (of the slocket variety, perhaps). looks like it's being abandoned to me.
if you read that article that was on slashdot a couple days ago (there's links floating around here, or you could just go to older stuff) about the pentium 4 study. if nothing else, it provides some insight into why we're quick to jump on the p4.
i personally think that intel has been sucking since it's marketing department became more valuable to them than r&d. i mean come on, did the p3 really deserve distinction from the p2? do we still need to cling to the 8 year old pentium name? do we really need to name the successor to the p6 the same thing we named the successor to the 486? no. intel's just getting batty.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
if you'll remember correctly, the pentium was released in 1992. windows 95 wasn't released until 1995. most of the end users of the world WERE running 16 bit code on their pentiums for 3 years as win 3.11 was popular then.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
i haven't seen many of those. they're pretty rarified due to their horrible construction.
don't get me wrong -- the display is really good for a video game system, but a huge, unwieldly beast. it gets even bigger if you use batteries, because you have to attach an awkward, ill-fitting battery pack on the back if you want to use batteries of any variety. also, the cartridge port on the top is poorly designed to the point where the cartridges will wiggle around easily, resetting the system frequently with some games.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
i don't honestly think that people will be rushing to buy up hardware that sega is discontinuing.
that said, the prices probably will only go down, as nobody will want to buy hardware that the company won't even make anymore. may i refer you to the sega saturn (got mine for $35 off the shelf) the sega genesis (last seen on store shelves for $20) and the sega master system (which hit the $50 mark and then just disappeared.) when a company stops producing hardware, people (rightly so) lose faith in the hardware.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
(this is prolly going to look like flamebait, but i swear i wasn't trolling)
if jobs and bezos love IT, then IT must be a method of selling at a loss and then making up for it with quantity!
you too can have your very own DotCom (tm) to sell everything that you think everybody needs but is too lazy to buy it at a real store. here's a testimonial from Bob, started using IT to his advantage:
"A couple months ago, I started using IT to sell groceries on the internet. I figured 'Why would anybody trust the people at their local mom n' pop store when they could send their credit cards to me?' So I was talking to IT Venture Capital Services, and their rep was great! They gave me $10,000,000 just for walking in the door! And then when I told him I had a business idea that involved the internet, He gave me another 10,000,000! IT is the best thing that ever happened to the economy!
with the marketshare that microsoft has right now, and with alternative OS's becoming a real factor in the game, the best thing that they could do is give the product away for free, officially or not. now, please disregard your intelligence, and pretend you are Joe Bestbuy (you don't see any problem with AOL) you want your son/nephew/girlfriend/etc to build you a computer. today, chances are that your son/nephew/goldfish will just take a windows CD that's been used more than a free hooker in a nursing home, and install it on his new computer. Joe Bestbuy doesn't have to pay anything. Joe Bestbuy is happy. Joe goes to the store, looks for the windows logo on all of his software and hardware, and makes all sorts of money for microsoft. Microsoft retains marketshare, linux loses, microsoft is happy.
Now, in the event that well worn windows CD becomes unusable in future versions, Joe Bestbuy's son/nephew/paperboy, while making his computer, will probably say something really good sounding like "hey dad/uncle/mister, there's an operating system that is free, easy to use, robust, unlike that shitty windows that will cost you 200 dollars. wanna try it?" Joe Bestbuy at that point might say yes. Whether he says yes more often than not isn't the issue. if half of all Joe Bestbuys decide to try another OS even temporarily, just to try it out, there's a good chance that alot of them will stick with it rather than pay microsoft, because that's just the way people are. In that event, the OS is free, Joe Bestbuy is happy. Joe doesn't buy microsoft software, microsoft hardware, microsoft loses mind and marketshare, microsoft loses.
although i can understand where they're coming from...(i don't know anybody in real life who actually owns their copy of windows, nor do i know anybody who owned a copy of win 3.11 or even dos for that matter, they just seemed to "appear" on burnt cdr's or piles of floppies)
it just seems that microsoft has so much more to gain by giving their OS away free, even if they do it unofficially (by looking the other way when it comes to piracy). sure, my copy of win2k is not exactly legal, but i have piles of software that IS legal, and alot of windows only hardware made by manufacturers who had to pay for that nice little "designed for windows" emblem on the boxes. microsoft does get alot of money from me, just not directly. now if i'm forced to pay for windows (especially with so many rules involving use and non-transferability) in the future, that NTFS partition on my hard drive is going to go away.
i was going to say something about giving the razors away and making money on the blades, but i forgot how it went:)
more specifically, do we really have a WANT for this drive? before you call me -1 troll, ust consider this...
there are a number of possible endings the removable media story could have from this:
1) everybody buys these, and they become standard. media prices plummet, everybody is happy.
2) there becomes a "standards-war" between these drives and all of the other removable media types, prices get slashed, and the consumer has no real standard, but prices are cheaper as each company tries to out-do the other.
3) there becomes a "standards-war" between these drives and all of the other removable media types, and because nobody is buying enough of any one type of drive, there is no standard, and prices are higher because of production costs.
4) Not enough people will buy the drive, so it will die quickly. The few people that do own them will have to pay high prices for the discs, and they won't be able to give them to anybody else, as maybe 5 people will have them.
sorry if it sounds like FUD, but that's all i think when i see new removable media...
i'm not sure why the parent to this message got modded down. he enforced a point made by the original poster: slashdot is not all about getting modded up. it's about discussion. anybody saying otherwise is a karma-whore. people who stay online all day just to whore for karma needs a new perspective on life. i dunno. try drugs or something. it's gotta be better for you than sitting in a chair all day in front of a computer.
i cannot stress exactly how useful the spyderco is, and how compact it makes itself. i swear by spyderco. it's perfect for digging around inside a computer, too.
also on my list is one made by victorinox that i got my dad last christmas. it's nice, and the store i got it from was going out of business, so i got it at like a 35% discount (65 bucks instead of 100) it's got alot on it, but it doesn't have the same cool look as the spyderco, and it's not as compact, either. however, it does rock hard as well for functionality. i shy away from leatherman because there really are alot out there that are better, although alot of people think leatherman is the best (mostly because they haven't seen anything else). tey out spyderco and victorinox. it's the shit.
in my experience, at that age, while there are children who truly are extremely gifted in such ares, they don't really understand what goes along with 'designing an OS' or 'learning assembly.' chances are, that those are the most advanced software challenges that he/she could imagine. gifted children have no trouble learning things. in fact, they enjoy it to quite some degree, and in most cases, the greater the challenge, the more rewarding it is for them. however, i have to question whether jumping right into such advanced programming would be helpful. if it we me, i'd give the child a BASIC interpreter and a manual. chances are they'll have that figured out in a week. if you start simple, like with BASIC, and work your way up, the child will wire itself to think like a programmer. that's a good thing.
however, what's even more important than any of this, is getting the child into proper social interaction. entirely too many gifted children become social idiots because they were seperated from the 'normal kids' or were told from an early age that they were better than everybody else. i would also advise keeping said kids among kids of his/her own age, but it sounds like that isn't going to be a possibility.
the summary would probably be learn as much as possible, but keep it fun, and never expect the child to do more than a child should.
IIRC, isn't Moore's law a relationship between time and transistor count rather than time and speed? While one could find a correlation between transistor count and speed, it's not really as relevant as people think.
I think it could, theoretically be possible (although rather improbable) to reach 750GHz in 5 years and stay right on time with Moore's law, it would just be a matter of cooling.
or maybe I'm an idiot. I dunno. i hope I'm right, because by posting I just lost the ability to moderate this thread:)
with a car that took 10 years to design, you at least get that illusion of safety... just think about it - which car would you rather drive?
"Our skilled team of engineers has been laboring over this car for the last 10 years to maximize efficiency and driver safety"
or...
"...so I took the modeling software home, and my 14 year old son started playing with it, and next thing you know, 5 months later, he came up with something that actually looked technically feasible! So we built it!"
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical, but I'll take the mercedes S-class, thankyouverymuch...
although it's probably rooted in my deep-seated fear of convenience. For instance, I'd never fly anything I built. That's why you never see any of those ultralight helicopter kits in my garage;)
i don't know about AOL CD's, they'll be everywhere no matter what media is introduced, but, i do see kids using floppy CD's to come up with inventive new ways to hide their CD's that are full of JPEGs.
think about it... they could keep in in their shoes, in their wallets, in pez dispensers, i see the porn industry making a killing here among the 15-17 industry (because once you turn 18, porn loses it's novelty because you can buy it)
as a non-republican conservative (i'm independent but voted bush, but that's another story) i listen to rush a bit.
he is so full of himself it's not funny.
half the quotes he cites these days are quotes of HIMSELF!
now before anybody says 'hey, you're just one of those liberal whiners trying to discredit rush' (alright, probably nobody will say that because it would be retarded) i must repeat... I VOTED FOR BUSH AND I STILL HATE RUSH LIMBAUGH!
okay. rant off.
growing up in arcades (no, literally, my parents owned a chain of them, and i grew up in them) we always had machines and pieces of machines and such. hell, i could probably build a ms. pacman machine from the parts i have in my basement.
on a similar note, i was at an arcade lately and saw a ms. pacman machine with a huge (compared to the original) monitor and the ROM was hacked. it wasn't an original ms. pacman cabinet, either. anybody else see these? AND it cost $0.50 to play! what gives? ms. pacman is supposed to cost $0.25 and NO MORE! i never thought i'd live to see a dollar bill machine on a ms. pacman cabinet. *sigh* Anyway, anybody know if they're using real ms. pacman hardware or just emulation?
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well, if you ignorant fucks actually knew moore's law, you wouldn't keep spouting the same crap.
i mean, since when did it become okay to rewrite what was said, giving it an entirely different meaning, and then complain when the people who have a clue call you on it?
(posted at +1 to make you happy)
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
moore's law is not tied to clock speed, but rather transistor count.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
it's so easy to pull the 'new architecture' card and expect that to clear up all of the problems, but this isn't just a matter of programs not being p4 optimized. this is a problem with intel mangling a processor design, rushing it to market, essentially abandoning it, and still expecting us to buy it. if you'll notice, intel has no intention of supporting socket 423 after the current generation of p4. that means that all of the early adopters are going to be pretty royally fucked if they ever want to upgrade. their options will be a) new motherboard or b) sketchy hack (of the slocket variety, perhaps). looks like it's being abandoned to me. if you read that article that was on slashdot a couple days ago (there's links floating around here, or you could just go to older stuff) about the pentium 4 study. if nothing else, it provides some insight into why we're quick to jump on the p4. i personally think that intel has been sucking since it's marketing department became more valuable to them than r&d. i mean come on, did the p3 really deserve distinction from the p2? do we still need to cling to the 8 year old pentium name? do we really need to name the successor to the p6 the same thing we named the successor to the 486? no. intel's just getting batty.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
i don't know about you, and i'm not going to make any stereotypical 'lazy out of shape geek' jokes...
but i know that I for one have no business in a form fitted anything.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
2001-03-17 06:23:21 i've got this one dicked. i called my psychic.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
my bad. i was off by 3 months. the pentium 60 was released in march of 1993.
and i had one.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
true, true :)
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
well...
if you'll remember correctly, the pentium was released in 1992. windows 95 wasn't released until 1995. most of the end users of the world WERE running 16 bit code on their pentiums for 3 years as win 3.11 was popular then.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
i haven't seen many of those. they're pretty rarified due to their horrible construction.
don't get me wrong -- the display is really good for a video game system, but a huge, unwieldly beast. it gets even bigger if you use batteries, because you have to attach an awkward, ill-fitting battery pack on the back if you want to use batteries of any variety. also, the cartridge port on the top is poorly designed to the point where the cartridges will wiggle around easily, resetting the system frequently with some games.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
i don't honestly think that people will be rushing to buy up hardware that sega is discontinuing.
that said, the prices probably will only go down, as nobody will want to buy hardware that the company won't even make anymore. may i refer you to the sega saturn (got mine for $35 off the shelf) the sega genesis (last seen on store shelves for $20) and the sega master system (which hit the $50 mark and then just disappeared.) when a company stops producing hardware, people (rightly so) lose faith in the hardware.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
(this is prolly going to look like flamebait, but i swear i wasn't trolling)
if jobs and bezos love IT, then IT must be a method of selling at a loss and then making up for it with quantity!
you too can have your very own DotCom (tm) to sell everything that you think everybody needs but is too lazy to buy it at a real store. here's a testimonial from Bob, started using IT to his advantage:
"A couple months ago, I started using IT to sell groceries on the internet. I figured 'Why would anybody trust the people at their local mom n' pop store when they could send their credit cards to me?' So I was talking to IT Venture Capital Services, and their rep was great! They gave me $10,000,000 just for walking in the door! And then when I told him I had a business idea that involved the internet, He gave me another 10,000,000! IT is the best thing that ever happened to the economy!
oh wait... tech stocks are down...
i forgot the part about marketshare:
with the marketshare that microsoft has right now, and with alternative OS's becoming a real factor in the game, the best thing that they could do is give the product away for free, officially or not. now, please disregard your intelligence, and pretend you are Joe Bestbuy (you don't see any problem with AOL) you want your son/nephew/girlfriend/etc to build you a computer. today, chances are that your son/nephew/goldfish will just take a windows CD that's been used more than a free hooker in a nursing home, and install it on his new computer. Joe Bestbuy doesn't have to pay anything. Joe Bestbuy is happy. Joe goes to the store, looks for the windows logo on all of his software and hardware, and makes all sorts of money for microsoft. Microsoft retains marketshare, linux loses, microsoft is happy. Now, in the event that well worn windows CD becomes unusable in future versions, Joe Bestbuy's son/nephew/paperboy, while making his computer, will probably say something really good sounding like "hey dad/uncle/mister, there's an operating system that is free, easy to use, robust, unlike that shitty windows that will cost you 200 dollars. wanna try it?" Joe Bestbuy at that point might say yes. Whether he says yes more often than not isn't the issue. if half of all Joe Bestbuys decide to try another OS even temporarily, just to try it out, there's a good chance that alot of them will stick with it rather than pay microsoft, because that's just the way people are. In that event, the OS is free, Joe Bestbuy is happy. Joe doesn't buy microsoft software, microsoft hardware, microsoft loses mind and marketshare, microsoft loses.
sorry for the rant.
although i can understand where they're coming from...(i don't know anybody in real life who actually owns their copy of windows, nor do i know anybody who owned a copy of win 3.11 or even dos for that matter, they just seemed to "appear" on burnt cdr's or piles of floppies)
:)
it just seems that microsoft has so much more to gain by giving their OS away free, even if they do it unofficially (by looking the other way when it comes to piracy). sure, my copy of win2k is not exactly legal, but i have piles of software that IS legal, and alot of windows only hardware made by manufacturers who had to pay for that nice little "designed for windows" emblem on the boxes. microsoft does get alot of money from me, just not directly. now if i'm forced to pay for windows (especially with so many rules involving use and non-transferability) in the future, that NTFS partition on my hard drive is going to go away.
i was going to say something about giving the razors away and making money on the blades, but i forgot how it went
do we really have a need for this drive?
more specifically, do we really have a WANT for this drive? before you call me -1 troll, ust consider this...
there are a number of possible endings the removable media story could have from this:
1) everybody buys these, and they become standard. media prices plummet, everybody is happy.
2) there becomes a "standards-war" between these drives and all of the other removable media types, prices get slashed, and the consumer has no real standard, but prices are cheaper as each company tries to out-do the other.
3) there becomes a "standards-war" between these drives and all of the other removable media types, and because nobody is buying enough of any one type of drive, there is no standard, and prices are higher because of production costs.
4) Not enough people will buy the drive, so it will die quickly. The few people that do own them will have to pay high prices for the discs, and they won't be able to give them to anybody else, as maybe 5 people will have them.
sorry if it sounds like FUD, but that's all i think when i see new removable media...
i'm not sure why the parent to this message got modded down. he enforced a point made by the original poster: slashdot is not all about getting modded up. it's about discussion. anybody saying otherwise is a karma-whore. people who stay online all day just to whore for karma needs a new perspective on life. i dunno. try drugs or something. it's gotta be better for you than sitting in a chair all day in front of a computer.
but maybe we're taking video games a bit too seriously...
yes, it does say that, but it was released early. -gtx
http://store.knifecenter.com/pgi-ProductSpec?SPT01 P check it out!
i cannot stress exactly how useful the spyderco is, and how compact it makes itself. i swear by spyderco. it's perfect for digging around inside a computer, too.
also on my list is one made by victorinox that i got my dad last christmas. it's nice, and the store i got it from was going out of business, so i got it at like a 35% discount (65 bucks instead of 100) it's got alot on it, but it doesn't have the same cool look as the spyderco, and it's not as compact, either. however, it does rock hard as well for functionality. i shy away from leatherman because there really are alot out there that are better, although alot of people think leatherman is the best (mostly because they haven't seen anything else). tey out spyderco and victorinox. it's the shit.
in my experience, at that age, while there are children who truly are extremely gifted in such ares, they don't really understand what goes along with 'designing an OS' or 'learning assembly.' chances are, that those are the most advanced software challenges that he/she could imagine. gifted children have no trouble learning things. in fact, they enjoy it to quite some degree, and in most cases, the greater the challenge, the more rewarding it is for them. however, i have to question whether jumping right into such advanced programming would be helpful. if it we me, i'd give the child a BASIC interpreter and a manual. chances are they'll have that figured out in a week. if you start simple, like with BASIC, and work your way up, the child will wire itself to think like a programmer. that's a good thing.
however, what's even more important than any of this, is getting the child into proper social interaction. entirely too many gifted children become social idiots because they were seperated from the 'normal kids' or were told from an early age that they were better than everybody else. i would also advise keeping said kids among kids of his/her own age, but it sounds like that isn't going to be a possibility.
the summary would probably be learn as much as possible, but keep it fun, and never expect the child to do more than a child should.
IIRC, isn't Moore's law a relationship between time and transistor count rather than time and speed? While one could find a correlation between transistor count and speed, it's not really as relevant as people think.
:)
I think it could, theoretically be possible (although rather improbable) to reach 750GHz in 5 years and stay right on time with Moore's law, it would just be a matter of cooling.
or maybe I'm an idiot. I dunno. i hope I'm right, because by posting I just lost the ability to moderate this thread
with a car that took 10 years to design, you at least get that illusion of safety... just think about it - which car would you rather drive?
;)
"Our skilled team of engineers has been laboring over this car for the last 10 years to maximize efficiency and driver safety"
or...
"...so I took the modeling software home, and my 14 year old son started playing with it, and next thing you know, 5 months later, he came up with something that actually looked technically feasible! So we built it!"
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical, but I'll take the mercedes S-class, thankyouverymuch...
although it's probably rooted in my deep-seated fear of convenience. For instance, I'd never fly anything I built. That's why you never see any of those ultralight helicopter kits in my garage
i don't know about AOL CD's, they'll be everywhere no matter what media is introduced, but, i do see kids using floppy CD's to come up with inventive new ways to hide their CD's that are full of JPEGs.
think about it... they could keep in in their shoes, in their wallets, in pez dispensers, i see the porn industry making a killing here among the 15-17 industry (because once you turn 18, porn loses it's novelty because you can buy it)
as a non-republican conservative (i'm independent but voted bush, but that's another story) i listen to rush a bit. he is so full of himself it's not funny. half the quotes he cites these days are quotes of HIMSELF! now before anybody says 'hey, you're just one of those liberal whiners trying to discredit rush' (alright, probably nobody will say that because it would be retarded) i must repeat... I VOTED FOR BUSH AND I STILL HATE RUSH LIMBAUGH! okay. rant off.
umm, i hope to god you're kidding, because that wouldn't work...
ever.
you'd end up with less effective bandwidth in the end.
um, good troll, though...
growing up in arcades (no, literally, my parents owned a chain of them, and i grew up in them) we always had machines and pieces of machines and such. hell, i could probably build a ms. pacman machine from the parts i have in my basement.
on a similar note, i was at an arcade lately and saw a ms. pacman machine with a huge (compared to the original) monitor and the ROM was hacked. it wasn't an original ms. pacman cabinet, either. anybody else see these? AND it cost $0.50 to play! what gives? ms. pacman is supposed to cost $0.25 and NO MORE! i never thought i'd live to see a dollar bill machine on a ms. pacman cabinet. *sigh* Anyway, anybody know if they're using real ms. pacman hardware or just emulation?