You're talking about sexist events that happened 15 years ago
actually it was 10 years ago, with old equipment (robotics was not a high priority, regular computing classes had new equipment). 10 years ago in Australia you could not get away with those sorts of comments (anti-everything). it wasn't a normal situation, my parents were very shocked by it.
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If feminism is the radical idea that women are people and should be as free to realize their potential as anyone else - as good a definition as I can think of
ahh, to me this is not what feminism has become. it may have been the original idea, but I think a lot of people (men and women) have gotten too carried away with it. there has been a lot of anti-men and pro-women stuff associated with that word, wrong or right it has a false ring to my ears.
to me all people are equal, and that's not just in relation to what sex they are. a bigot is a bigot is a bigot... it doesn't matter what they are treating in that manner; sex, race, religion, culture, age, etc.
to me using the word feminism implies that it's something special, not a standard of behaviour.
I guess it depends on how you define feminism *grin*
Why didn't you follow through with legal action ?
the reason is that when I did threaten them with legal action, I went through the board of education (checking if I actually DID have any rights to attend the class), so the board was aware of what was happening, and they were under supervision from then on. I didn't want compensation or anything, I just wanted to be a student in a class, and they did let me. if they hadn't, I would have followed with legal action.
okay, I have to admit here I have no idea what people want these boxes for, I see a lot of people wishing for certain hardware features and cursing those who designed them.
do slashdotters really want a hackable appliance? because if they do I'd say there is probably a market for one.
if there is a market for one, why isn't anyone making one? is it ignorance, or is it in the best interests to make machines difficult to hack?
this is not intended as a dig, merely a reason why you would NOT hear of it going on, it's hardly what schools brag about.
I went to an above-average high school. Which was quite proud of it's co-ed policies regarding sewing and metalwork etc.
However, after getting straight A's for a single compulsory metalwork class, I asked to join the next metalwork class (which had never been done before), only to be told I couldn't "because you're a girl". No joke. I thought perhaps it was just one or two old-fashioned folks who were blocking me, but that wasn't the case.
The school was deadset against it, but after threatening them with legal action, I was able to join the class, but was given special "girl" projects. Rather than continue welding and learning other regular skills, I was instructed to make a pretty brass spoon, which was the ONLY thing I was expected to complete.
I didn't make their crappy spoon, as my male teacher was violently opposed to their silliness, and he let me weld to my hearts content, I outproduced every male in the class, in quality and quantity for every project (straight A's, top of the class).
When robotics was added to our classwork, I helped our teacher learn (they don't bother to train teachers for new subjects anymore, just buy them a couple of books) to use an Apple2E (he'd never used a computer before), which interfaced with lego technic robots. I debugged BASIC everyday, wrote demonstration programs to impress parents of new students.
And all of that I would have been deprived of... because I was a girl!
And aside from my metalwork class, no one in the school had any idea of the crap going on behind the scenes, because I was told to keep quiet until it was all sorted out.
Sexism is alive and well in many places. I'm lucky I have a brilliant teacher to thank for my continued education.
And for the record, I don't consider myself a feminist. There are some things that certain people do better than others. But I think sex has little to do with it. A tall and strong woman would easily outwork a short a weak man in a physical environment. Just as a tall and strong man would easily outwork a short and weak woman.
People are individuals, assuming things based on sex, race, appearance or whatever may well prove you to be an idiot.
Something I get quite sick of, is it being assumed I want to have children. Not all women want children, not all men do either, but people don't seem to expect them to.
I don't appreciate predatory corporate practice, but I also don't think that a company the size of MS has the -time- and -energy- to pick on start-ups for sheer orneriness. I guess the 3rd option is that one of these employees parted with MS on REALLY bad terms and somebody wanted to stick it to that person... *shrug*
How do you think they got to be that size? constantly squashing every piece of competition you come across is an effective way of getting a larger market share.
from the article: when was the last time you saw an ad banner you WANTED to click on to find out more information?
this is one of the biggest problems on the web. with or without demographics, you should have a general idea of what your clients are like. if they're computer savvy, it's pretty stupid trying to trick them with the "catch the monkey" mentality...
from post#143: What does advertising give us?
Advertising CAN support otherwise free services on the web. Not all services make money, some of them DO pay for it out of their own pocket. But some don't have anything in their own pockets. And that's not counting all the people employed to work with all the advertising stuff, including those IT folks who write scripts for trackers. What advertising gives you might not be something you want, but it DOES give you something.
from post#38:/. kind of has it right as most of the ads are very targeted I have to agree with that, as in fact the last I saw that I *did* want to click on, was right here at Slashdot. Banners that get to the point, and are even on occasion funny...
many people filter ads, with programs, or just turning images off in their browser. this is your right as a consumer, and also in the best interests of the seller, as if you don't want the ads, you're hardly going to click on them.
from post#56 (a guy with several clues): Part of the problem lies with the complete saturation of our lives with advertising. A very large part of consumer apathy when it comes to advertising of all kinds.
from post#23: Today's ads don't just inform us of a product's existence; they also prey on our minds with flashing text, glitzy graphics, buzzwords by the dozen, and little white lies. Today's consumer is not waiting to be impressed, they're waiting for information. true information. they can certainly do without the sirens and blinding lights, they know you're there, if they're ignoring you, there's probably a reason.
from post#27: Anywhere else except on the web, if a company wants to get money by annoying people, and those people blatantly ignore the company, it's the company's fault. generally speaking, it's very stupid to annoy a potential customer, a seller wants them to do them a favour by buying from them... so putting them in a negative mood is against their own best interests... but there's plenty of stupid to go around... just look at all the spam... (and funnily enough, living in Australia I have no use for your $10 off doctors appointments in the USA... learn how to target your market people!)
from post#29: Why do they even HAVE to advertise on the Internet?
advertisers don't HAVE to, but there's always someone out there short of money, who'll rent their portion of cyberspace... supply and demand are important...
from post #32: Macromedia is trying to promote shockwave to make adverts more compelling. more compelling? or slower to load? big mistake. I'm sick enough of all the flash-only entries on websites already, I see one flash ad and I'll be closing that window quicker than ya can say "annoyed". I speed read, I speed scroll, but I can't speed flash up, and I won't wait for it.
from post#78: The real change of how ads work on the internet will come when a third party non-computer related company begins to take market share away from the market leader through effective web ads We're still waiting on effective web ads, so we may be waiting awhile for this one. But if it happens, it will make a huge change. The biggest problem with all advertising is the ROI (Return on Investment)... are they really worth the money you pay? and according to the figures, no. A click-through ad is relying on you stopping what you are doing right now, and to pay some attention to something that wants you to give it money.
from post#86: how are all these little sites going to survive?
all little businesses go through this. if you're not a business, maybe you could look around for free hosting, there's a lot of it around on the web, even for small commerical ventures. you don't sound like you want to make money, just get free hosting, maybe you can find a so-inclined ISP who'll host you for free in exchange for making your site part of their "internet resources" area. or find a company that's willing to flat out sponsor you, with no other ads, just like a sports team. be creative and you'll find a solution. One free hosting service asks their users to click on the banners or the hosting service will not survive, and their community responds. Including to the point where they had to buy new servers, and asked people to "pledge" money so they could upgrade the system. They got a hell of a lot of money that way, a lot more than I thought they'd get.
from post#92: I for one will be freakin happy when animated gifs go away - and the same guys who make those funny commercials on TV get involved with the online phenomenon. Advertisers take note, this guy is giving you a clue, so pay attention! He wants something more entertaining than "catch the monkey".
from post#147: And please... stop thos friggin' ads that look like system notifications, and pop-up windows. That's what's souring net users on Ads. yet another clue for those smart enough to use it.
from post#101: If people see a banner more then one time chances are high that they'll remember the name/site and may even tell others (who may need a place to buy a product) about it. Most of the banners I see never actually show a site address or name, which is totally useless for recognition, yet another waste of resources.
from post#121: it is just a matter of time before the government cracks down on all this illegal software that blocks web ads. Governments (plural!) should be very careful about what they term legal or not with the net. If blocking is illegal, so is NetNanny and the porn filter in the workplace. Blocking content can't be both ways.
from post#147: Advertisers don't get to charge the TV station per "click-through", so why should the net change that? Click-through should be treated like commission. Advertisers CAN'T use the click-through method with TV stations, believe me if they could, they sure would! Click-through tracking does give a bit more of an idea on ROI (Return On Investment) for ads. The net is very easy to track, unless print media or television.
(still same post) If you're not getting click-through, it doesn't mean that the web host isn't doing their job... they shouldn't have to BEG for clicks just to pay the bills. It means your AD isn't doing it's job this is a very good point, low clickthoughs are NOT just the responsibility of the host, take a good hard and objective look at your own ads.
from post#154: Advertising has been "found out" by the internet. *laughing* this i so true it's almost not funny.
from post#158: Forgot to mention that all the search engines would be gone too. This tweaked my curiosity, exactly where does the funding come from for Google? (my favourite for it's accurate results, and lack of ads - hence, fast loading)
and this person who wrote post#169 has some great tips for those looking for good ad networks.
this guy (post#170) has a great idea: Just click on a gap dancer to by her jeans. this is totally doable right now. None of this banner nonsense... paid links for static images, not a random banner, something that's relevant to the content!
from post#34: People have complained about advertising since the dawn of electronic media.
(please excuse any marketing jargon in the following... a consumer IS a person, I am using it for convenience)
business evolves over time, and advertising will never again have the hold it had during the 1950s... business evolution so far:
now industrialisation brought us mass production (you can have any colour, as long as it's black... thanks Mr Ford), and advertising brought us post-war information on new products (new products were very important as credit appeared, houses were mortgaged, whitegoods were purchased, credit became the middle-class way of life), marketing has more recently has given us targeting by demographics... consumer feedback (of a kind) and shown us that advertising is merely one piece of the promotion puzzle... and business puzzle come to think of it.
So what's the next step in business evolution? I believe it will be social marketing. Companies (in addition to their business work) will have to give something back to the community to get the attention or goodwill of their consumers. Whether it's good work conditions for employees, respect for the environment, working for the greater good of mankind, or simply sponsoring the local little league team.
Consumers are the only reason companies exist, without them they will sell nothing. As consumers come to realise this, they will begin to ask for more. What they will ask for is anyone's guess, but if you don't listen, you won't hear it.
This won't happen next week, or the week after, but a shift will slowly take hold, and if you don't get a clue about what your consumer wants, you'll be out of business.
this is really quite long enough as it is, rant stops here...
the first step in our making such a Culture for ourselves won't be cheap fusion power or ion drives, it will be strong AI. Humans need to be freed from the necessity of work; only then can the work we do be fulfilling instead of a constant reminder of our vulnerability
AI. Artificial Intelligence.
If intelligence breeds self awareness, and (being intelligent) they realise they are slaves, we might be a lot more vulnerable than we are now.
In the early 90's, the Net was relentlessly criticized for everything from undermining authority to promulgating porn and depravity, even aiding and abetting nuclear terrorism
You never see the telephone under this sort of attack do you? techno-phobe silliness. A tool is a tool is a tool, if it's in the hands of a killer it will kill, if it's in the hands of a healer it will heal. Stop blaming the instrument for the actions of it's users.
only socially crippled adolescents would use the Internet to communicate with other people
I guess geographical isolation doesn't exist where he lives, or disabilities, or terminally ill patients in hospital, or those on nightshift and insomniacs, or people who are so busy working they never get time to go out and socialise. Those with special interests and families that live miles apart obviously just never entered his head.
technology itself became the point, rather than a byproduct or tool
Technology is nothing but a tool, that is it's purpose.
Enormous new v-communities did emerge, but for profit: sex and auction sites, financial services and retailing, Go.com, Yahoo and AOL.
Let me tell you something about Go.com, they did not build their chat "community", they purchased it. They bought WBS, the Webchat Broadcasting System, one of the longest running Webchats in the world. And what did they do with it? without discussing it with the WBS members, they changed a thriving Webchat into a run-of-the-mill IRC style chat, and not surprisingly, most of the members left. Buying a subscription base is no good if they don't stay. And the Go network managed to alienate a large bunch of active internet users (not such a great PR move). But anyway, these commercial places tend not to have very close-knit social groups, because of the way the corporations run them. I don't know if that's their intention or not.
Information -- more of it, and ever-cheaper -- became the point of most communities
Isn't any hobby or special interest group based on the concept of shared knowledge? online or offline, that's the point.
"Is the use of the phrase 'virtual community' a perversion of the notion of community? What do we mean by community, anyway?... Is the virtualization of human relationships unhealthy?
Well I hope you know what community means... virtual means "in essence"... in essence it's the same as a regular community, there's just no physical, it's pretty simple. A virtualised relationship? if you're using the meaning of virtual "not real", then yes, that could be a problem, but anyone who has problems with reality has problems, full stop (period for you Americans).
Will Internet-based publishing and communicating decentralize the distribution of political power and influence, or will many-to-many-media be dominated by a few?"
Will Americans ever figure out they're not the only ones on the internet?
Rheingold and his generation were deeply influenced by the 60s, whose sweeping and sometimes profound social evolutions are taken for granted by younger Net users.
Every generation likes to think the latest generation doesn't appreciate their efforts... but in turn, they don't appreciate the efforts and different goals of the new generation...
it's not long ago that many computer users were drawn to the idea of using the online tools to strengthen their personal lives and relationships.
it's not long ago because it's right now... maybe some of the irc lines skew the figures, but there's a large number of net communities which meet a lot in person. Some of them don't live all in the same city, so it might not be every weekend that they meet, it might be once a month, every couple of months, but they do meet, it's not too "squishy". And then there are the families that use the internet to strengthen their relationships, emailing new photos of the grandkiddies, along with wav files of them singing happy birthday to Aunty Bev...
They don't necessarily expect to make close friends and share their deepest feelings online. They are skeptical, cynical perhaps, about humanist ideals for cyberspace.
Most people do not expect to make close friends online, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Most of Generation X is skeptical and cynical, not just of cyber space but of anything that can be tainted by commercialism, we've had it crammed down our throats all our lives.
And the virtual community faces a daunting list of ethical problems...[snip] there is nothing like consensus on how to deal with any of these issues.
Are there any communities which do NOT face lists of ethical problems? and when it comes to ethics, consensus is always difficult, because people want and believe in different things.
I really don't understand why journalists do NOT try and see whether a problem exists offline as well as online before they write such rubbish... because it's a waste of everyone's bloody time.
Communities on the Net aren't like hippie communes: they are expensive to design, operate and access.
Okay... you do NOT design communities unless you're an idiot (see above - Go Network). Real communities build themselves... all they need is a seed to build on.
One of the ways in which younger Net users separate themselves from their elders is by seeing themselves as apolitical, cutting-edge technologists. Perhaps this is because so many of their elders talked incessantly about revolution, but didn't manage to make one. They, on the other hand, are creating a revolution and don't seem to know it.
Very few people are apolitical, even those who say they are. People may dislike the politicians on offer where they are. But being apolitical means you have no opinions on politics, the government and just about any issue, since almost all issues end up politics in one way or another.
Don't seem to know it? in what way? because they don't talk about it constantly? you only have to look at S11 and the Coke backflip achieved by the Climate Change group to see that they are well aware that they can cause change.
The internet makes social rebellion a lot easier, it's cheaper, it's faster and it's global. I don't think Climate Change would have found the same success if they'd had to print a newsletter and post it to every University on earth.
And finally...
When I first started reading Slashdot, I thought a lot of the "Katz bashing" was rather harsh and uncalled for, after all, he wasn't THAT bad... but after post after post of the same stuff every time, I am actually really sick of the Katz view of Generation X.
If you don't understand my generation, stop writing about it and find something else to mangle or try and figure it out and then write something worth reading.
Even when all Katz does is quote another person, it's still a totally biased article, which (by the way) is the very worst sort of journalism.
I will from now on, not be reading any more of his articles on Generation X (which is all I've noticed him write about)
no goals except ping times, fps and napster downloads.
no goals? since you mentioned Napster... breaking the music industry oligopoly is not a goal? trying to get better deals for the artists is not a goal?
There was true revolution of thought in the 60's
Your generation right? *grin*
now we are just a bunch of whiners who have everything handed to us
speak for yourself...
These kids don't give a damn about civil rights, starvation, or murder, but have some oil spill on a pengiun and they are up in arms.
civil rights depend on your country... starvation and murder have been going on for a long time, there's only so much you can do about them... those oil spills take a long time to clean up, they ruin the ecosystems, and unbalance the food chain... causing long term damage, some of it may be permanent... but I guess you're old, and you'll be dead when it's a problem.
Courteny Love didn't make 45 million on her last album? Burn RIAA Burn!!!
The RIAA deserves so much pity after all... with the way they treat their artists, the artists they claim to defend.
I CAN'T WATCH MY DVD'S ON ONE OF MY 9 COMPUTERS!
few kids have nine computers... few adults either... if you're talking about DVD zoning, we have a right to complain. Zoning doesn't stop piracy, any idiot can see that, it's to stop pricing wars, because they're no good to the manufacturer...
Cause we don't, don't give a f***, and we won't ever give a f***, until you, you give a f*** about me, and my generation - Limp Bizkit
Whether freedom of speech is a law where you live or not, a lot of people like the idea, but don't understand it.
Censorship in general isn't a good thing... it covers the past, hides the mistakes and weaknesses of mankind and leaves people unprepared for the real world.
For those of you who would like the Nazi music removed from Napster, please read the following...
(apologies for quoting a hollywood movie - The American President)
"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."
If you hide something you don't like, how is anyone going to know how wrong/silly/unethical it is?
Despite the "In God We Trust" spiel, Americans are also deathly afraid of religion. Most censorware removes all non-Christian or non-Catholic religious material.
So kids who are doing projects on Christmas time around the world have a lil bit of trouble.
Censorware is no substitute for human supervision, or human explanation.
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twas a mystery to me...
You're talking about sexist events that happened 15 years ago
actually it was 10 years ago, with old equipment (robotics was not a high priority, regular computing classes had new equipment). 10 years ago in Australia you could not get away with those sorts of comments (anti-everything). it wasn't a normal situation, my parents were very shocked by it.
If feminism is the radical idea that women are people and should be as free to realize their potential as anyone else - as good a definition as I can think of
ahh, to me this is not what feminism has become. it may have been the original idea, but I think a lot of people (men and women) have gotten too carried away with it. there has been a lot of anti-men and pro-women stuff associated with that word, wrong or right it has a false ring to my ears.
to me all people are equal, and that's not just in relation to what sex they are. a bigot is a bigot is a bigot... it doesn't matter what they are treating in that manner; sex, race, religion, culture, age, etc.
to me using the word feminism implies that it's something special, not a standard of behaviour.
I guess it depends on how you define feminism *grin*
Why didn't you follow through with legal action ?
the reason is that when I did threaten them with legal action, I went through the board of education (checking if I actually DID have any rights to attend the class), so the board was aware of what was happening, and they were under supervision from then on. I didn't want compensation or anything, I just wanted to be a student in a class, and they did let me. if they hadn't, I would have followed with legal action.
the best I can think of is for cars... maps appearing on your windscreen... maybe with a lil GPS as well...
okay, I have to admit here I have no idea what people want these boxes for, I see a lot of people wishing for certain hardware features and cursing those who designed them.
do slashdotters really want a hackable appliance? because if they do I'd say there is probably a market for one.
if there is a market for one, why isn't anyone making one? is it ignorance, or is it in the best interests to make machines difficult to hack?
this is not intended as a dig, merely a reason why you would NOT hear of it going on, it's hardly what schools brag about.
I went to an above-average high school. Which was quite proud of it's co-ed policies regarding sewing and metalwork etc.
However, after getting straight A's for a single compulsory metalwork class, I asked to join the next metalwork class (which had never been done before), only to be told I couldn't "because you're a girl". No joke. I thought perhaps it was just one or two old-fashioned folks who were blocking me, but that wasn't the case.
The school was deadset against it, but after threatening them with legal action, I was able to join the class, but was given special "girl" projects. Rather than continue welding and learning other regular skills, I was instructed to make a pretty brass spoon, which was the ONLY thing I was expected to complete.
I didn't make their crappy spoon, as my male teacher was violently opposed to their silliness, and he let me weld to my hearts content, I outproduced every male in the class, in quality and quantity for every project (straight A's, top of the class).
When robotics was added to our classwork, I helped our teacher learn (they don't bother to train teachers for new subjects anymore, just buy them a couple of books) to use an Apple2E (he'd never used a computer before), which interfaced with lego technic robots. I debugged BASIC everyday, wrote demonstration programs to impress parents of new students.
And all of that I would have been deprived of... because I was a girl!
And aside from my metalwork class, no one in the school had any idea of the crap going on behind the scenes, because I was told to keep quiet until it was all sorted out.
Sexism is alive and well in many places. I'm lucky I have a brilliant teacher to thank for my continued education.
And for the record, I don't consider myself a feminist. There are some things that certain people do better than others. But I think sex has little to do with it. A tall and strong woman would easily outwork a short a weak man in a physical environment. Just as a tall and strong man would easily outwork a short and weak woman.
People are individuals, assuming things based on sex, race, appearance or whatever may well prove you to be an idiot.
Something I get quite sick of, is it being assumed I want to have children. Not all women want children, not all men do either, but people don't seem to expect them to.
I don't appreciate predatory corporate practice, but I also don't think that a company the size of MS has the -time- and -energy- to pick on start-ups for sheer orneriness. I guess the 3rd option is that one of these employees parted with MS on REALLY bad terms and somebody wanted to stick it to that person... *shrug*
How do you think they got to be that size? constantly squashing every piece of competition you come across is an effective way of getting a larger market share.
But of course...
from the article: when was the last time you saw an ad banner you WANTED to click on to find out more information?
this is one of the biggest problems on the web. with or without demographics, you should have a general idea of what your clients are like. if they're computer savvy, it's pretty stupid trying to trick them with the "catch the monkey" mentality...
from post#143: What does advertising give us?
Advertising CAN support otherwise free services on the web. Not all services make money, some of them DO pay for it out of their own pocket. But some don't have anything in their own pockets. And that's not counting all the people employed to work with all the advertising stuff, including those IT folks who write scripts for trackers. What advertising gives you might not be something you want, but it DOES give you something.
from post#38:
I have to agree with that, as in fact the last I saw that I *did* want to click on, was right here at Slashdot. Banners that get to the point, and are even on occasion funny...
many people filter ads, with programs, or just turning images off in their browser. this is your right as a consumer, and also in the best interests of the seller, as if you don't want the ads, you're hardly going to click on them.
from post#56 (a guy with several clues): Part of the problem lies with the complete saturation of our lives with advertising.
A very large part of consumer apathy when it comes to advertising of all kinds.
from post#23: Today's ads don't just inform us of a product's existence; they also prey on our minds with flashing text, glitzy graphics, buzzwords by the dozen, and little white lies.
Today's consumer is not waiting to be impressed, they're waiting for information. true information. they can certainly do without the sirens and blinding lights, they know you're there, if they're ignoring you, there's probably a reason.
from post#27: Anywhere else except on the web, if a company wants to get money by annoying people, and those people blatantly ignore the company, it's the company's fault.
generally speaking, it's very stupid to annoy a potential customer, a seller wants them to do them a favour by buying from them... so putting them in a negative mood is against their own best interests... but there's plenty of stupid to go around... just look at all the spam... (and funnily enough, living in Australia I have no use for your $10 off doctors appointments in the USA... learn how to target your market people!)
from post#29: Why do they even HAVE to advertise on the Internet?
advertisers don't HAVE to, but there's always someone out there short of money, who'll rent their portion of cyberspace... supply and demand are important...
from post #32: Macromedia is trying to promote shockwave to make adverts more compelling.
more compelling? or slower to load? big mistake. I'm sick enough of all the flash-only entries on websites already, I see one flash ad and I'll be closing that window quicker than ya can say "annoyed". I speed read, I speed scroll, but I can't speed flash up, and I won't wait for it.
from post#78: The real change of how ads work on the internet will come when a third party non-computer related company begins to take market share away from the market leader through effective web ads
We're still waiting on effective web ads, so we may be waiting awhile for this one. But if it happens, it will make a huge change. The biggest problem with all advertising is the ROI (Return on Investment)... are they really worth the money you pay? and according to the figures, no. A click-through ad is relying on you stopping what you are doing right now, and to pay some attention to something that wants you to give it money.
from post#86: how are all these little sites going to survive?
all little businesses go through this. if you're not a business, maybe you could look around for free hosting, there's a lot of it around on the web, even for small commerical ventures. you don't sound like you want to make money, just get free hosting, maybe you can find a so-inclined ISP who'll host you for free in exchange for making your site part of their "internet resources" area. or find a company that's willing to flat out sponsor you, with no other ads, just like a sports team. be creative and you'll find a solution. One free hosting service asks their users to click on the banners or the hosting service will not survive, and their community responds. Including to the point where they had to buy new servers, and asked people to "pledge" money so they could upgrade the system. They got a hell of a lot of money that way, a lot more than I thought they'd get.
from post#92: I for one will be freakin happy when animated gifs go away - and the same guys who make those funny commercials on TV get involved with the online phenomenon.
Advertisers take note, this guy is giving you a clue, so pay attention! He wants something more entertaining than "catch the monkey".
from post#147: And please
from post#101: If people see a banner more then one time chances are high that they'll remember the name/site and may even tell others (who may need a place to buy a product) about it.
Most of the banners I see never actually show a site address or name, which is totally useless for recognition, yet another waste of resources.
from post#121: it is just a matter of time before the government cracks down on all this illegal software that blocks web ads.
Governments (plural!) should be very careful about what they term legal or not with the net. If blocking is illegal, so is NetNanny and the porn filter in the workplace. Blocking content can't be both ways.
from post#147: Advertisers don't get to charge the TV station per "click-through", so why should the net change that? Click-through should be treated like commission.
Advertisers CAN'T use the click-through method with TV stations, believe me if they could, they sure would! Click-through tracking does give a bit more of an idea on ROI (Return On Investment) for ads. The net is very easy to track, unless print media or television.
(still same post) If you're not getting click-through, it doesn't mean that the web host isn't doing their job
from post#154: Advertising has been "found out" by the internet.
*laughing* this i so true it's almost not funny.
from post#158: Forgot to mention that all the search engines would be gone too.
This tweaked my curiosity, exactly where does the funding come from for Google? (my favourite for it's accurate results, and lack of ads - hence, fast loading)
and this person who wrote post#169 has some great tips for those looking for good ad networks.
this guy (post#170) has a great idea: Just click on a gap dancer to by her jeans. this is totally doable right now. None of this banner nonsense... paid links for static images, not a random banner, something that's relevant to the content!
from post#34: People have complained about advertising since the dawn of electronic media.
(please excuse any marketing jargon in the following... a consumer IS a person, I am using it for convenience)
business evolves over time, and advertising will never again have the hold it had during the 1950s...
business evolution so far:
industrialisation --} advertising --} marketing --} future?
now industrialisation brought us mass production (you can have any colour, as long as it's black... thanks Mr Ford), and advertising brought us post-war information on new products (new products were very important as credit appeared, houses were mortgaged, whitegoods were purchased, credit became the middle-class way of life), marketing has more recently has given us targeting by demographics... consumer feedback (of a kind) and shown us that advertising is merely one piece of the promotion puzzle... and business puzzle come to think of it.
So what's the next step in business evolution? I believe it will be social marketing. Companies (in addition to their business work) will have to give something back to the community to get the attention or goodwill of their consumers. Whether it's good work conditions for employees, respect for the environment, working for the greater good of mankind, or simply sponsoring the local little league team.
Consumers are the only reason companies exist, without them they will sell nothing. As consumers come to realise this, they will begin to ask for more. What they will ask for is anyone's guess, but if you don't listen, you won't hear it.
This won't happen next week, or the week after, but a shift will slowly take hold, and if you don't get a clue about what your consumer wants, you'll be out of business.
this is really quite long enough as it is, rant stops here...
just what we need...
Except for the Aussies, the major landmasses would all be interconnected by road/rail. That'd be interesting.
*laughs* it'd take a mighty long tunnel to connect to Oz... but if we get one, I hope it has a yellow brick road...
I'm looking for information on tech company ethics and I haven't come across any on game consoles yet.
Hotmail does suck ass now, but remove that to email...
the first is deformed physically, I don't know if mental disabilities are included.
I think this is one of the most resposible laws around the world (if your population is too high), although it's enforcement is sometimes barbaric.
Refugees have come to Australia, pregnant with an extra child, because it will be killed if they stay in China.
for the Moller Skycar...
it's not up and flying yet... but ya never know...
where are our bloody rocketpacks is what I want to know...
and atomic toasters...
could you email me?
I know someone who'd like your article
the first step in our making such a Culture for ourselves won't be cheap fusion power or ion drives, it will be strong AI. Humans need to be freed from the necessity of work; only then can the work we do be fulfilling instead of a constant reminder of our vulnerability
AI. Artificial Intelligence.
If intelligence breeds self awareness, and (being intelligent) they realise they are slaves, we might be a lot more vulnerable than we are now.
Are there any tutorials, websites or books on putting Linux on a Macintosh?
I'd really like to try it, but I don't know if it's beyond my skills
In the early 90's, the Net was relentlessly criticized for everything from undermining authority to promulgating porn and depravity, even aiding and abetting nuclear terrorism
... Is the virtualization of human relationships unhealthy?
You never see the telephone under this sort of attack do you? techno-phobe silliness. A tool is a tool is a tool, if it's in the hands of a killer it will kill, if it's in the hands of a healer it will heal. Stop blaming the instrument for the actions of it's users.
only socially crippled adolescents would use the Internet to communicate with other people
I guess geographical isolation doesn't exist where he lives, or disabilities, or terminally ill patients in hospital, or those on nightshift and insomniacs, or people who are so busy working they never get time to go out and socialise. Those with special interests and families that live miles apart obviously just never entered his head.
technology itself became the point, rather than a byproduct or tool
Technology is nothing but a tool, that is it's purpose.
Enormous new v-communities did emerge, but for profit: sex and auction sites, financial services and retailing, Go.com, Yahoo and AOL.
Let me tell you something about Go.com, they did not build their chat "community", they purchased it. They bought WBS, the Webchat Broadcasting System, one of the longest running Webchats in the world. And what did they do with it? without discussing it with the WBS members, they changed a thriving Webchat into a run-of-the-mill IRC style chat, and not surprisingly, most of the members left. Buying a subscription base is no good if they don't stay. And the Go network managed to alienate a large bunch of active internet users (not such a great PR move). But anyway, these commercial places tend not to have very close-knit social groups, because of the way the corporations run them. I don't know if that's their intention or not.
Information -- more of it, and ever-cheaper -- became the point of most communities
Isn't any hobby or special interest group based on the concept of shared knowledge? online or offline, that's the point.
"Is the use of the phrase 'virtual community' a perversion of the notion of community? What do we mean by community, anyway?
Well I hope you know what community means... virtual means "in essence"... in essence it's the same as a regular community, there's just no physical, it's pretty simple. A virtualised relationship? if you're using the meaning of virtual "not real", then yes, that could be a problem, but anyone who has problems with reality has problems, full stop (period for you Americans).
Will Internet-based publishing and communicating decentralize the distribution of political power and influence, or will many-to-many-media be dominated by a few?"
Will Americans ever figure out they're not the only ones on the internet?
Rheingold and his generation were deeply influenced by the 60s, whose sweeping and sometimes profound social evolutions are taken for granted by younger Net users.
Every generation likes to think the latest generation doesn't appreciate their efforts... but in turn, they don't appreciate the efforts and different goals of the new generation...
it's not long ago that many computer users were drawn to the idea of using the online tools to strengthen their personal lives and relationships.
it's not long ago because it's right now... maybe some of the irc lines skew the figures, but there's a large number of net communities which meet a lot in person. Some of them don't live all in the same city, so it might not be every weekend that they meet, it might be once a month, every couple of months, but they do meet, it's not too "squishy". And then there are the families that use the internet to strengthen their relationships, emailing new photos of the grandkiddies, along with wav files of them singing happy birthday to Aunty Bev...
They don't necessarily expect to make close friends and share their deepest feelings online. They are skeptical, cynical perhaps, about humanist ideals for cyberspace.
Most people do not expect to make close friends online, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Most of Generation X is skeptical and cynical, not just of cyber space but of anything that can be tainted by commercialism, we've had it crammed down our throats all our lives.
And the virtual community faces a daunting list of ethical problems...[snip] there is nothing like consensus on how to deal with any of these issues.
Are there any communities which do NOT face lists of ethical problems? and when it comes to ethics, consensus is always difficult, because people want and believe in different things.
I really don't understand why journalists do NOT try and see whether a problem exists offline as well as online before they write such rubbish... because it's a waste of everyone's bloody time.
Communities on the Net aren't like hippie communes: they are expensive to design, operate and access.
Okay... you do NOT design communities unless you're an idiot (see above - Go Network). Real communities build themselves... all they need is a seed to build on.
One of the ways in which younger Net users separate themselves from their elders is by seeing themselves as apolitical, cutting-edge technologists. Perhaps this is because so many of their elders talked incessantly about revolution, but didn't manage to make one. They, on the other hand, are creating a revolution and don't seem to know it.
Very few people are apolitical, even those who say they are. People may dislike the politicians on offer where they are. But being apolitical means you have no opinions on politics, the government and just about any issue, since almost all issues end up politics in one way or another.
Don't seem to know it? in what way? because they don't talk about it constantly? you only have to look at S11 and the Coke backflip achieved by the Climate Change group to see that they are well aware that they can cause change.
The internet makes social rebellion a lot easier, it's cheaper, it's faster and it's global. I don't think Climate Change would have found the same success if they'd had to print a newsletter and post it to every University on earth.
And finally...
When I first started reading Slashdot, I thought a lot of the "Katz bashing" was rather harsh and uncalled for, after all, he wasn't THAT bad... but after post after post of the same stuff every time, I am actually really sick of the Katz view of Generation X.
If you don't understand my generation, stop writing about it and find something else to mangle or try and figure it out and then write something worth reading.
Even when all Katz does is quote another person, it's still a totally biased article, which (by the way) is the very worst sort of journalism.
I will from now on, not be reading any more of his articles on Generation X (which is all I've noticed him write about)
Ever heard of two sides to every coin?
but I'd changed my filter for moderation...
no goals except ping times, fps and napster downloads.
no goals? since you mentioned Napster... breaking the music industry oligopoly is not a goal? trying to get better deals for the artists is not a goal?
There was true revolution of thought in the 60's
Your generation right? *grin*
now we are just a bunch of whiners who have everything handed to us
speak for yourself...
These kids don't give a damn about civil rights, starvation, or murder, but have some oil spill on a pengiun and they are up in arms.
civil rights depend on your country... starvation and murder have been going on for a long time, there's only so much you can do about them... those oil spills take a long time to clean up, they ruin the ecosystems, and unbalance the food chain... causing long term damage, some of it may be permanent... but I guess you're old, and you'll be dead when it's a problem.
Courteny Love didn't make 45 million on her last album? Burn RIAA Burn!!!
The RIAA deserves so much pity after all... with the way they treat their artists, the artists they claim to defend.
I CAN'T WATCH MY DVD'S ON ONE OF MY 9 COMPUTERS!
few kids have nine computers... few adults either... if you're talking about DVD zoning, we have a right to complain. Zoning doesn't stop piracy, any idiot can see that, it's to stop pricing wars, because they're no good to the manufacturer...
Cause we don't, don't give a f***, and we won't ever give a f***, until you, you give a f*** about me, and my generation - Limp Bizkit
nuff said
why o why did I waste my moderation points on the robot thread?
because this one only appeared after I was finished *sigh*
Do you think politics could effect technology in the future? if so, how will this effect you?
What's one tip you'd give to someone starting out with Linux?
What's your favourite technology?
Is there any technology you think could be a bad thing?
working out the conversion of birthdays and other events yet?
Whether freedom of speech is a law where you live or not, a lot of people like the idea, but don't understand it.
Censorship in general isn't a good thing... it covers the past, hides the mistakes and weaknesses of mankind and leaves people unprepared for the real world.
For those of you who would like the Nazi music removed from Napster, please read the following...
(apologies for quoting a hollywood movie - The American President)
"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."
If you hide something you don't like, how is anyone going to know how wrong/silly/unethical it is?
Despite the "In God We Trust" spiel, Americans are also deathly afraid of religion. Most censorware removes all non-Christian or non-Catholic religious material.
So kids who are doing projects on Christmas time around the world have a lil bit of trouble.
Censorware is no substitute for human supervision, or human explanation.