Eh? Support and media can't be gotten free elsewhere (which is really all RedHat sells). Information strictly from a website has little to no oppertunity for such 'value addition'
Like I said, the courts lean towards said terms of use rather than towards public arena. (wrong, and technically unenforcable imo)
Offtopic: that mall issue is also horridly illegal, and I'd be very suprised if the security guys weren't fired already. Hello? Freedom of Speech? Anyone? Given that he bought the tshirt *at the damned mall* and the merchant wasn't also thrown out is also curious.
The GPL specifically forbids republication. Basically this is where the "if under copyright, copyright restrictions (and rights) still hold"
The code is copyrighten, and the owners of said copyright (even GPL'd code) can hold others liable for it's republication. The GPL [in non-legal terms] waives this restriction as long as certain conditions are met, among which is inclusion of the GPL in the republication. Hence trying to republish the code under a different license does not meet the conditions, and is a breach of copyright, even though the code is public.
If the website had copyright over the public information, they could also restrict its use (except for legally defined 'fair use').
ianal; Court cases have held in the past that if the information is held on a public site, it is public, despite any agreement to the contrary. That information if under copyright, still is held by those restrictions (and rights).
If the information is in a restricted site, (must register to access) Then it is not public, and the agreements are generally held in more cases. If anything courts have been leaning against screen scraping, even on 'public' sites.
findlaw or the cornell law site likely has information regarding this. There's also been past/. articles.
It's of questionable ethics, but I also don't see how you're company will be able to sell something that people can get for free elsewhere. (And if it is not free, the courts are much less likely to side in your company's favor)
Indeed, though finance guys don't really understand that. They understand that $800 for an OS/web server/mail clients/office clients/dsn server/mail server/kitchen sink is more cost effective than $100 for each with windows.
Wait, I thought what was stopping Linux was the lack of a proper email/calendaring/contacts solution (server and client side, nicely integrated) that actually works. Every IT director and their dog knows about Linux given all the business magazine press it's gotten over the past few years.
IANANT (number theorist), but from what I understand of the algorithm used, it can most certainly not be used to formulate a factoring algorithm. It could be used by cryptographic systems though to be 100% certain that the keys used are actually primes (right now they use a different algorithm that is nearly [99.99999%] certain iirc).
that sucks, you should switch to watching hockey. Every game (pretty sure every game) is audio-broadcast on nhl.com, both home and away radio (when available, it usually is, sometimes 2 different feeds [damned frenchies]) for free.
iirc the commercial/tv timeouts are faded to nothing as well:]
Unfortunately it's run by MSN, and likely requires IE/wmp... They have video too, but it's DRM'd and I've refused the updates. [pretty sure that's free too though]
Sorry, I'd not explained clearly. I believe that parents should set firm consiquences, rather than prohibitations. The parent (imo of course) should also present the child with why playing on the highway is a poor idea. Then let the child make a decision (which also imo is lacking severely in modern America, the simple ability to make a good decision based on fact) wether the consiquence of their action is worth the action.
Obviously with much younger children (3-8 or so) do not allow them even the choice to play in the street (but explain why), but do give them the choice over... something else [cannot think of example] that won't terribly effect them, but allow them to make decisions with visible consiquences.
Didn't I say guide the child? jesus, don't let them run around and do anything they want. That sort of thing is what happens when parents don't parent, they just provide.
I'm just saying to let the kid be curious. If they do something 'bad' then they should know that there are consiquences for that, and the consiquences should actually happen. Like loud kids in restaraunts. When the parents do tell them to be quiet (which is a rarity these days) there's VERY rarely consiquences communicated if they don't, and even then I've never seen them carried through.
But what do I know, I'm just a stinking liberal without any children...
I think the *CHILD* is the one who should decide what they're exposed to, and the parent is the one who should suggest to the child what to do and what not to do, and WHY. Let them be children, I agree. But let them be children then, they're curious little weasels... prohibiting something is just going to make them more interested.
Some helpful person probably setup a "phone search" databse where you could search via ID. Probably they just didn't know the IDs were SSNs, or didn't care, or didn't put 2&2 together to realise that in adition to finding people's phone numbers, you could find people's SSNs.
Then someone just wrote a script to brute force the SSN range it seems from the 2nd link
And may I note that the volume levels of the sound were very important too. The monster noises were very quiet, but definately audible as you entered the level. A dull "thump thump chreep" kinda noise, which would grow in volume as they grew closer. This added quite a bit of tension to the game. Once the monsters attacked, or if your party fell into a pit the volume would be suddenly loud (and scary!) enough that everyone I've seen playing the game would jump out of their chairs...
Most will do read/write nowadays. If it's only one file, then probably the recovery console would be sufficient for you. I do not know of one, as I've not needed to find it...
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And how is this a American vs anyone else issue? Nearly every tech support group is like this, American or not.
Eh? Support and media can't be gotten free elsewhere (which is really all RedHat sells). Information strictly from a website has little to no oppertunity for such 'value addition'
and if you note that in the VERY NEXT SENTANCE I say that the information if under copyright is still held by its restrictions (and rights)
Actually, it does mean you can automatically copy it from their web site unless copyright restricts such acts.
Like I said, the courts lean towards said terms of use rather than towards public arena. (wrong, and technically unenforcable imo)
Offtopic: that mall issue is also horridly illegal, and I'd be very suprised if the security guys weren't fired already. Hello? Freedom of Speech? Anyone? Given that he bought the tshirt *at the damned mall* and the merchant wasn't also thrown out is also curious.
The GPL specifically forbids republication. Basically this is where the "if under copyright, copyright restrictions (and rights) still hold"
The code is copyrighten, and the owners of said copyright (even GPL'd code) can hold others liable for it's republication. The GPL [in non-legal terms] waives this restriction as long as certain conditions are met, among which is inclusion of the GPL in the republication. Hence trying to republish the code under a different license does not meet the conditions, and is a breach of copyright, even though the code is public.
If the website had copyright over the public information, they could also restrict its use (except for legally defined 'fair use').
ianal; Court cases have held in the past that if the information is held on a public site, it is public, despite any agreement to the contrary. That information if under copyright, still is held by those restrictions (and rights).
/. articles.
If the information is in a restricted site, (must register to access) Then it is not public, and the agreements are generally held in more cases. If anything courts have been leaning against screen scraping, even on 'public' sites.
findlaw or the cornell law site likely has information regarding this. There's also been past
It's of questionable ethics, but I also don't see how you're company will be able to sell something that people can get for free elsewhere. (And if it is not free, the courts are much less likely to side in your company's favor)
Hey cool. Thanks for the point, last I saw of Openmail it was... quite poor.
Indeed, though finance guys don't really understand that. They understand that $800 for an OS/web server/mail clients/office clients/dsn server/mail server/kitchen sink is more cost effective than $100 for each with windows.
Remember too that with Linux you're not just getting the OS. You'll also get all of your office tools and apps you'll ever need for $800 too.
Wait, I thought what was stopping Linux was the lack of a proper email/calendaring/contacts solution (server and client side, nicely integrated) that actually works. Every IT director and their dog knows about Linux given all the business magazine press it's gotten over the past few years.
IANANT (number theorist), but from what I understand of the algorithm used, it can most certainly not be used to formulate a factoring algorithm. It could be used by cryptographic systems though to be 100% certain that the keys used are actually primes (right now they use a different algorithm that is nearly [99.99999%] certain iirc).
that sucks, you should switch to watching hockey. Every game (pretty sure every game) is audio-broadcast on nhl.com, both home and away radio (when available, it usually is, sometimes 2 different feeds [damned frenchies]) for free.
:]
iirc the commercial/tv timeouts are faded to nothing as well
Unfortunately it's run by MSN, and likely requires IE/wmp... They have video too, but it's DRM'd and I've refused the updates. [pretty sure that's free too though]
Sure, but it's pretty useless until they replicate the part that decodes the memories... DOH
[joking, if they can do this, they can certainly just re-route the inputs 'unencoded' elsewhere I'd assume]
Sorry, I'd not explained clearly. I believe that parents should set firm consiquences, rather than prohibitations. The parent (imo of course) should also present the child with why playing on the highway is a poor idea. Then let the child make a decision (which also imo is lacking severely in modern America, the simple ability to make a good decision based on fact) wether the consiquence of their action is worth the action.
Obviously with much younger children (3-8 or so) do not allow them even the choice to play in the street (but explain why), but do give them the choice over... something else [cannot think of example] that won't terribly effect them, but allow them to make decisions with visible consiquences.
Didn't I say guide the child? jesus, don't let them run around and do anything they want. That sort of thing is what happens when parents don't parent, they just provide.
I'm just saying to let the kid be curious. If they do something 'bad' then they should know that there are consiquences for that, and the consiquences should actually happen. Like loud kids in restaraunts. When the parents do tell them to be quiet (which is a rarity these days) there's VERY rarely consiquences communicated if they don't, and even then I've never seen them carried through.
But what do I know, I'm just a stinking liberal without any children...
I think the *CHILD* is the one who should decide what they're exposed to, and the parent is the one who should suggest to the child what to do and what not to do, and WHY. Let them be children, I agree. But let them be children then, they're curious little weasels... prohibiting something is just going to make them more interested.
Some helpful person probably setup a "phone search" databse where you could search via ID. Probably they just didn't know the IDs were SSNs, or didn't care, or didn't put 2&2 together to realise that in adition to finding people's phone numbers, you could find people's SSNs.
Then someone just wrote a script to brute force the SSN range it seems from the 2nd link
I don't think R&D issues are related to the patent system as much as they're related to the education system (or lack thereof)
So what does CT get out of it but interest from people?
[don tinfoil hat]
Perhaps there's something in the EULA to collect personal information and/or check for 'illegal activity'?
[/hat]
Didn't the US say they were going to do this ages ago?
Just because someone says it doesn't mean they are going to do it. Hell, it doesn't even mean they mean to to it in the first place.
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And may I note that the volume levels of the sound were very important too. The monster noises were very quiet, but definately audible as you entered the level. A dull "thump thump chreep" kinda noise, which would grow in volume as they grew closer. This added quite a bit of tension to the game. Once the monsters attacked, or if your party fell into a pit the volume would be suddenly loud (and scary!) enough that everyone I've seen playing the game would jump out of their chairs...
I dunno, I thought Dude, Where's my Car was a pretty good, er... entertaining movie, like Bill & Ted only with more stupidity and gratuitous latex.
Most will do read/write nowadays. If it's only one file, then probably the recovery console would be sufficient for you. I do not know of one, as I've not needed to find it...
Ah, it still cannot be run from winxp though?
Useful to know.