For some services, it makes sense to have a base infrastructure that is owned and operated by the government, which private companies share.
Imagine if several power companies competed by each hanging their own wires, or if phone companies also each had separate wires. Such a setup would direct competition of service and would be ugly.
The same is true for wireless cell networks. It is far from ideal to have every cell company operating there own independent cell towers. This limits direct competition of service, limits network availability, and generates extra RF radiation. Unfortunately, this is the US cell phone system.
The same is true for wireless internet, though probably much worse. How many Wifi signals can you detect? It would make sense to provide a single WiFi infastructure, on top of which both private companies and the government could offer service. For example, a telephone poll Wifi router mesh network would be owned by the government, perhaps offering bandwidth limited free connections, then private companies could use the network in a few ways:
- Provide a wired route to the Wifi network in exchange for compensation.
- Lease a segment of the WiFi network and offer additional service on top of the WiFi network. Perhaps faster service,...
If we treat a WiFi network the same as a wired network, then the result is an efficient network.
The potential privacy issue exists with a centralized wire phone network as well. But the sky has not fallen yet because of it.
My experience is that scientists are much more likely to be agnostic or atheists.
From a logical perspective it is hard to believe in:
- a story written in the bronze age about the creation of the universe.
- a creature that created the world by itself, likes to be worshiped, and likes long walks on the beach.
- The universe is complicated, so it must have been created by this creature, though we must accept that this creature (who must be more complicated than the universe), always existed.
- Every human can have a telepathic/wireless data connection (very lossy) with the magical creature. Though he may ignore the letter like Santa does.
- the magical creature that created everything also created a judgment system based on whether you believe these unbelievable things.
- the omnipotent creature created angels(magic humanoids with wings) with "free will" (not really free, as the expected behavior is known by omnipotent creator at creation). Then when the angels go bad (as expected and known), the magic creature starts over with humans (also with "free will"). Then when the humans go bad (as expected and know), the magic creature floods the world, then when the humans go bad again, the creature impregnates a human virgin and creates an unbelievable story to use as a test.
- upon a humans death, the humans brain activity is transferred into new magical bodies. These new magical bodies exist in one of two magical places. One magical place for the angels that went bad (as expected) and the humans that did not believe these ridiculous things. And a second place with gold streets. In this place the good angels and the believers of the ridiculous story must worship this magical creature, because that's what it likes.
Will you stop illegally singing "happy birthday to you" without paying royalties if we redirect all royalty funds to the descendants of the original author of the "Good morning to you" song?
First, using "pirate" to refer to something other than robbery at sea is marketing.
Second, without copyright reform, the new association will become as corrupt as the first.
If there is money and power associated with keeping an extending a publishing monopoly. Even if an association tries to be the a monopoly that is "good", is bound to fall into the same trap.
Open source players like mplayer, vlc, xine or others are a perfectly acceptable way to play DVD's. Yes, using libdecss.
There is no need to purchase a license for software for which a well tested, independently written, free alternative exists.
In Ubuntu, you use the medibuntu repositories.
In Fedora, you use the livna repositories.
If you really think to need to purchase such a license, may I ask if you also paid empty licenses for GIF, Linux(SCO $699), and "Happy Birthay to You" (Time-Warner).
Those who think BlueRay is DOA, should consider the merits of the included DRM (In general, these are the benefits of effective DRM).
- allows you to watch uninterrupted commercials before each movie. - you get proper uninterrupted reminders before movies that copying is like killing polar bears and the million dollar fine is obviously justified. - Prevents wasting time wasting time with Linux and that open source thing, as Blue Ray only really plays on La Vista. Actually Vista will probably downgrade the video to 640x480. So you can get a proper player and quit wasting time with the computer. - Allows you to donate money to your favorite corporate each time you repurchase the same movie. - The extra money you spend for the players double encryption will help heat your house and help your coal and oil stocks. - Imagine all of your DVD's interpolated to 1080p. Imagine all the pixels you are missing. Imagine Dumb and Dumber in HD. Wow! - Gets rid of any artificial/constitutional limit on copyrights. Effective DRM means that the copyright is infinite. This prevents those pirates from stealing copies from our great-great-great-great-grandchildren. The purpose of copyright is to make money on a thought forever. The government is stealing from us from limiting the monopoly to 70 years after I am 70. If I invent a thought, I expect get retirement compensation from that thought hundreds of years after I dead.
The whole paper trail effort was a waste of time, effort, and... paper.
For vote-buying reasons, a person voting cannot have a traceable vote.
So what they can do is print it out and have you look at it.
Many places just skipped that an de-evolved back to a 4 page paper hand written ballot.
It comes from a "computers are scary" fear. Handwritten ballots are more error prone than paper backed up e-voting, and obviously other backup methods are better than a spool of paper. (Instead of printing and showing the result, you could have multiple remote servers that you write to and verify with (but never read from)).
The core problem was never paper. The core problem was lack of transparency in the voting software, and bugs in software.
The only way e-voting can really work is with open source.
Even with 4 page paper ballots, the software problem is still there. Some software counts the ballots, and possibly scans the ballots as well.
straw man wrote: "Morale of the story: people will justify stealing stuff as long as they can find some argument, however pathetic, to support them. Just another case of Internet anonymity gone wrong."
Do you steal the song happy birthday whenever you sing it? Are you stealing from Bach's relatives every time you listen to a Bach piece without paying? Are you stealing from the inventor of the cheesecake if you make one? Are you stealing when you download Metropolis (which was in the public domain for 30 years).
Publishing monopolies would like you to answer yes to two of the above.
The line of copyright monopoly duration is an arbitrary one, that was intended to be a "limited time" (14-28 years) not 95 years, or life + 70. The line has been moved, not for the public good, or for the sake of art or science. Rather it was moved for corporate profit. If you have bought into the "sharing is stealing" marketing, I would recommend that you compare and contrast the modern media publishers with the medieval Stationers company.
Morale of the story: people will justify suppressing public information for as long as it is profitable to do so. Just another case of government granted monopoly power gone wrong.
"Scientists say..." implies that there is some global consensus that lime will allow us to keep burning oil foreever.
I heard an NPR interview where an oil exec stated that the company strategy had three concerns, in the following order:
1. demand 2. supply 3. environment
First, increase demand, to make the product more valuable. Second, invest in research to make sure supply can keep up. Third, invest in research to minimize the environmental impact, or minimize the public impression of environmental impact. PR.
This is a successful, but unsustainable formula. The diamond industry uses the formula, and I assume many other companies do as well.
Seriously, we can put it anywhere. By then, we have spent all the oil long ago.
This waste is the new oil. It will be more useful than dangerous. But I would assume that any useful waste would already be utilized by then. And 10,000 years is a long time. Either we have no harmful waste, or we destroyed ourselves.
"If you create something, you should be entitled to set the terms of how it's distributed, whether it be music, software, literature, or whatever."
And of course, you should be able to sell the rights to someone or some organization?
So the current owners of "Happy birthday" should be able to keep charging for that?
This brings up the relatives of Bach. Do you owe them back payment?
You are [intentionally] missing the point of copyright. It's a construct created to encourage the invention of new beneficial or artistic works. Patents and Copyrights were not intended at the start to be a retirement program, or a infinite corporate profit mechanism.
Specific time limits were placed on Copyrights (14 years), to avoid the publishing monopoly control that existing 500 years ago.
Historically. Old Linksys boxes needed to be rebooted often. They never fixed the bugs, and if you wanted a new feature, that meant purchasing a new box. (That was the business model, I guess) I gave up on them.
Then Linksys came out with a Linux based router. WRT54G.
Of course Linux did not mean the support or bug fixing would be better. They used an old version of Linux with various proprietary junk on top.
The best support you get is with open-source.
Overwrite whatever Linksys installs with a truely open system: OpenWRT. I have been running White Russion 0.9 since it came out and only have downtime with firmware updates. (there are other wrt firmwares besides openwrt, but most are not really open).
Science and openness go together. Without openness, we all are reinventing private wheels, which we destroy the plans to when there is no profit. If you work in software, consider for a moment how scientific your work is, considering the work of other companies doing similar work.
This Clouds thing is the "billion monkeys/humans typing on keyboards" model. Yes, it really can work (with humans). But, as with science, the chaos development model only works with openness.
Of course, organized science along with a little chaotic development work work even better.
There are forces in our society that do not like any open model. The Microsoft's, the MPAA, the RIAA. These type of organization thrive from closed models. More copyright controls, more DRM, longer copyright and patent terms. These forces would prefer to own,control and close science and clouds of data. They are unaware of the inevitable impact of such actions.
In a free capitalist society, we are naturally driven my contrary forces. A desire to hide discoveries, to maximize profits, even at the expense of innovation. A desire to share discoveries, to contribute to society and for credit.
While it is possible to profit when ideas are shared, It is more difficult to contribute to society by hiding information indefinitely.
Use a boot cd, or add a '1' to command line arguments.
If one has physical access to a machine, it makes little to prevent access at boot time, as you can boot from a rescue CD, or remove the hard drive and read it yourself.
As for the google and hotmail accounts, email the admin there.
A 3 letter domain is always valuable. And Caldera. That a great name for a company or product. Perhaps Novell could rename there obscure SuSe LiNuX DiStRiBuTiOn.
Say it's 1403, and you form an association that collaborates, organizes and controls all written documents. You call it the "Stationers Company/Guild".
Then decades later, in 1436 or so, someone invents a printing press, and it makes it easier printing documents with much less effort.
At first, you market the quality of hand printed works. Later you buy some of these machines, print documents cheaper, but try to keep control.
But at the end of the early to mid 1500's there are too many other groups that have the printing machines, and the control of your company is dwindling.
So the obvious thing to do? Use the money that you have, to buy some government. So in 1557, the government gives you a royal charter, a monopoly for all printing. You milk that for as long as you can (for 130 years it that case).
Now fast forward to the 20th century. Your MPAA or RIAA has pretty tight control of the production and distribution of movies and music. Printing high quality records and film is an expensive business to get into, so it is natural for large company control.
Then this thing called the Internet is invented. A media production and distribution middle man no longer is necessary. Things like mp3.com and napster pop up, and information is flowing, uncontrolled.
Well, it this case, we repeat the methods of the Stationers. Buy some government. In addition to lawsuits based on already purchased copyright monopolies, we buy a copyright extension, buy a new DMCA law to protect our new DRM encryption scheme, and buy laws to increase penalties for those damn college students who refuse to allow us to have the control we had before the internet.
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The 14th amendment.
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/fourteenth_amendment_hammerstrom.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
you mean hurd?
For some services, it makes sense to have a base infrastructure that is owned and operated by the government, which private companies share.
Imagine if several power companies competed by each hanging their own wires,
or if phone companies also each had separate wires.
Such a setup would direct competition of service and would be ugly.
The same is true for wireless cell networks. It is far from ideal to have every cell company operating there own independent cell towers. This limits direct competition of service, limits network availability, and generates extra RF radiation. Unfortunately, this is the US cell phone system.
The same is true for wireless internet, though probably much worse. How many Wifi signals can you detect? ...
It would make sense to provide a single WiFi infastructure, on top of which both private companies and the government could offer service. For example, a telephone poll Wifi router mesh network would be owned by the government, perhaps offering bandwidth limited free connections, then private companies could use the network in a few ways:
- Provide a wired route to the Wifi network in exchange for compensation.
- Lease a segment of the WiFi network and offer additional service on top of the WiFi network. Perhaps faster service,
If we treat a WiFi network the same as a wired network, then the result is an efficient network.
The potential privacy issue exists with a centralized wire phone network as well. But the sky has not fallen yet because of it.
My experience is that scientists are much more likely to be agnostic or atheists.
From a logical perspective it is hard to believe in:
- a story written in the bronze age about the creation of the universe.
- a creature that created the world by itself, likes to be worshiped, and likes long walks on the beach.
- The universe is complicated, so it must have been created by this creature, though we must accept that this creature (who must be more complicated than the universe), always existed.
- Every human can have a telepathic/wireless data connection (very lossy) with the magical creature. Though he may ignore the letter like Santa does.
- the magical creature that created everything also created a judgment system based on whether you believe these unbelievable things.
- the omnipotent creature created angels(magic humanoids with wings) with "free will" (not really free, as the expected behavior is known by omnipotent creator at creation). Then when the angels go bad (as expected and known), the magic creature starts over with humans (also with "free will"). Then when the humans go bad (as expected and know), the magic creature floods the world, then when the humans go bad again, the creature impregnates a human virgin and creates an unbelievable story to use as a test.
- upon a humans death, the humans brain activity is transferred into new magical bodies. These new magical bodies exist in one of two magical places. One magical place for the angels that went bad (as expected) and the humans that did not believe these ridiculous things. And a second place with gold streets. In this place the good angels and the believers of the ridiculous story must worship this magical creature, because that's what it likes.
Linux version $99, Windows version $99 plus 2 year contract.
I'm ok if they add the 2 year lease on the Window version.
Windows users like leasing software, paying every year, hoping that this version fixes some of the annoyances of the last one.
Why exactly does binary only software cost money, when software that comes with source code is free?
"More Skype security Speculation."
Do you have any evidence that the Skype protocol is secure?
Note, Obscure != Secure.
Will you stop illegally singing "happy birthday to you" without paying royalties if we redirect all royalty funds to the descendants of the original author of the "Good morning to you" song?
First, using "pirate" to refer to something other than robbery at sea is marketing.
Second, without copyright reform, the new association will become as corrupt as the first.
If there is money and power associated with keeping an extending a publishing monopoly. Even if an association tries to be the a monopoly that is "good", is bound to fall into the same trap.
The only real solution is copyright reform.
DIVX players that phoned home was a great idea that mysteriously failed.
Let's secretly try again with the new BD-drm players.
Then we can sell BD-disposables which only work in a phone-home player.
HD-DIVX-DRM+. The ultimate way to hide our data from those consumers!!
The format and encoding of DVD's is well known.
Open source players like mplayer, vlc, xine or others are a perfectly acceptable way to play DVD's. Yes, using libdecss.
There is no need to purchase a license for software for which a well tested, independently written, free alternative exists.
In Ubuntu, you use the medibuntu repositories.
In Fedora, you use the livna repositories.
If you really think to need to purchase such a license, may I ask if you also paid empty licenses for GIF, Linux(SCO $699), and "Happy Birthay to You" (Time-Warner).
Those who think BlueRay is DOA, should consider the merits of the included DRM (In general, these are the benefits of effective DRM).
- allows you to watch uninterrupted commercials before each movie.
- you get proper uninterrupted reminders before movies that copying is like killing polar bears and the million dollar fine is obviously justified.
- Prevents wasting time wasting time with Linux and that open source thing, as Blue Ray only really plays on La Vista. Actually Vista will probably downgrade the video to 640x480. So you can get a proper player and quit wasting time with the computer.
- Allows you to donate money to your favorite corporate each time you repurchase the same movie.
- The extra money you spend for the players double encryption will help heat your house and help your coal and oil stocks.
- Imagine all of your DVD's interpolated to 1080p. Imagine all the pixels you are missing. Imagine Dumb and Dumber in HD. Wow!
- Gets rid of any artificial/constitutional limit on copyrights. Effective DRM means that the copyright is infinite. This prevents those pirates from stealing copies from our great-great-great-great-grandchildren. The purpose of copyright is to make money on a thought forever. The government is stealing from us from limiting the monopoly to 70 years after I am 70. If I invent a thought, I expect get retirement compensation from that thought hundreds of years after I dead.
The whole paper trail effort was a waste of time, effort, and ... paper.
For vote-buying reasons, a person voting cannot have a traceable vote.
So what they can do is print it out and have you look at it.
Many places just skipped that an de-evolved back to a 4 page paper hand written ballot.
It comes from a "computers are scary" fear. Handwritten ballots are more error prone than paper backed up e-voting, and obviously other backup methods are better than a spool of paper.
(Instead of printing and showing the result, you could have multiple remote servers that you write to and verify with (but never read from)).
The core problem was never paper. The core problem was lack of transparency in the voting software, and bugs in software.
The only way e-voting can really work is with open source.
Even with 4 page paper ballots, the software problem is still there. Some software counts the ballots, and possibly scans the ballots as well.
straw man wrote: "Morale of the story: people will justify stealing stuff as long as they can find some argument, however pathetic, to support them. Just another case of Internet anonymity gone wrong."
Do you steal the song happy birthday whenever you sing it?
Are you stealing from Bach's relatives every time you listen to a Bach piece without paying?
Are you stealing from the inventor of the cheesecake if you make one?
Are you stealing when you download Metropolis (which was in the public domain for 30 years).
Publishing monopolies would like you to answer yes to two of the above.
The line of copyright monopoly duration is an arbitrary one, that was intended to be a "limited time" (14-28 years) not 95 years, or life + 70.
The line has been moved, not for the public good, or for the sake of art or science. Rather it was moved for corporate profit.
If you have bought into the "sharing is stealing" marketing, I would recommend that you compare and contrast the modern media publishers with the medieval Stationers company.
Morale of the story: people will justify suppressing public information for as long as it is profitable to do so. Just another case of government granted monopoly power gone wrong.
"Scientists say ..." implies that there is some global consensus that lime will allow us to keep burning oil foreever.
I heard an NPR interview where an oil exec stated that the company strategy had three concerns, in the following order:
1. demand
2. supply
3. environment
First, increase demand, to make the product more valuable.
Second, invest in research to make sure supply can keep up.
Third, invest in research to minimize the environmental impact, or minimize the public impression of environmental impact. PR.
This is a successful, but unsustainable formula. The diamond industry uses the formula, and I assume many other companies do as well.
We could put the waste in giant pyramids.
Seriously, we can put it anywhere.
By then, we have spent all the oil long ago.
This waste is the new oil.
It will be more useful than dangerous.
But I would assume that any useful waste would already be utilized by then.
And 10,000 years is a long time. Either we have no harmful waste, or we destroyed ourselves.
"If you create something, you should be entitled to set the terms of how it's distributed, whether it be music, software, literature, or whatever."
And of course, you should be able to sell the rights to someone or some organization?
So the current owners of "Happy birthday" should be able to keep charging for that?
This brings up the relatives of Bach. Do you owe them back payment?
You are [intentionally] missing the point of copyright. It's a construct created to encourage the invention of new beneficial or artistic works.
Patents and Copyrights were not intended at the start to be a retirement program, or a infinite corporate profit mechanism.
Specific time limits were placed on Copyrights (14 years), to avoid the publishing monopoly control that existing 500 years ago.
Historically. Old Linksys boxes needed to be rebooted often.
They never fixed the bugs, and if you wanted a new feature, that meant purchasing a new box. (That was the business model, I guess)
I gave up on them.
Then Linksys came out with a Linux based router. WRT54G.
Of course Linux did not mean the support or bug fixing would be better. They used an old version of Linux with various proprietary junk on top.
The best support you get is with open-source.
Overwrite whatever Linksys installs with a truely open system:
OpenWRT. I have been running White Russion 0.9 since it came out and only have downtime with firmware updates.
(there are other wrt firmwares besides openwrt, but most are not really open).
Science and openness go together.
Without openness, we all are reinventing private wheels, which we destroy the plans to when there is no profit.
If you work in software, consider for a moment how scientific your work is, considering the work of other companies doing similar work.
This Clouds thing is the "billion monkeys/humans typing on keyboards" model.
Yes, it really can work (with humans).
But, as with science, the chaos development model only works with openness.
Of course, organized science along with a little chaotic development work work even better.
There are forces in our society that do not like any open model. The Microsoft's, the MPAA, the RIAA. These type of organization thrive from closed models. More copyright controls, more DRM, longer copyright and patent terms.
These forces would prefer to own,control and close science and clouds of data. They are unaware of the inevitable impact of such actions.
In a free capitalist society, we are naturally driven my contrary forces.
A desire to hide discoveries, to maximize profits, even at the expense of innovation.
A desire to share discoveries, to contribute to society and for credit.
While it is possible to profit when ideas are shared,
It is more difficult to contribute to society by hiding information indefinitely.
The only real issue missed the important part of that question.
"Issue: Intellectual Property Protection"
asks "how can corporations protect their treasure?"
The missing issue:
"Issue: Intellectual Property Reform"
asks the opposite question.
"How can the public domain and fair use be protected against corporate efforts to limit and extinguish them?"
Really, how many centuries of protection does a corporation need?
Use a boot cd, or add a '1' to command line arguments.
If one has physical access to a machine, it makes little to prevent access at boot time, as you can boot from a rescue CD, or remove the hard drive and read it yourself.
As for the google and hotmail accounts, email the admin there.
No hacking required.
On the Tokyo airport bus, the announcement says:
"Passengers are reminded that portable telephones should not be used on the bus as they annoy the neighbors!"
Clinton's campaign, when asked about supporting free/open debates, said:
"Calling for free debates might be seen as opposing copyright."
Also note that B.Clinton signed DMCA, URAA, and the Sony Bono Copyright Extension Act.
Comparing that to Obama, who met with Lessig, and signed a letter saying the the debates should be in a Creative Commons license.
Who Disney would vote for?
A 3 letter domain is always valuable. And Caldera. That a great name for a company or product. Perhaps Novell could rename there obscure SuSe LiNuX DiStRiBuTiOn.
He is talking about obsolete business models.
Say it's 1403, and you form an association that collaborates, organizes and controls all written documents. You call it the "Stationers Company/Guild".
Then decades later, in 1436 or so, someone invents a printing press, and it makes it easier printing documents with much less effort.
At first, you market the quality of hand printed works. Later you buy some of these machines, print documents cheaper, but try to keep control.
But at the end of the early to mid 1500's there are too many other groups that have the printing machines, and the control of your company is dwindling.
So the obvious thing to do? Use the money that you have, to buy some government. So in 1557, the government gives you a royal charter, a monopoly for all printing. You milk that for as long as you can (for 130 years it that case).
Now fast forward to the 20th century.
Your MPAA or RIAA has pretty tight control of the production and distribution of movies and music. Printing high quality records and film is an expensive business to get into, so it is natural for large company control.
Then this thing called the Internet is invented. A media production and distribution middle man no longer is necessary. Things like mp3.com and napster pop up, and information is flowing, uncontrolled.
Well, it this case, we repeat the methods of the Stationers. Buy some government. In addition to lawsuits based on already purchased copyright monopolies, we buy a copyright extension, buy a new DMCA law to protect our new DRM encryption scheme, and buy laws to increase penalties for those damn college students who refuse to allow us to have the control we had before the internet.
"it's been around for a long time and is commonplace in other areas of internet crime".
Like DRM.
You could possibly find and fix it yourself (and submit the fix).
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5/