Well put, Bob. Even if there were 2500 bugs in RH7, I'd rather _know_ they exist, and disable the running code that I can. If you run a Windows 2000 Server, you know there are bugs in the code. But where are they? Microsoft knows about many more bugs, because a SP2 is in the works. But Microsoft will not tell you about a bug if you don't find it.
Would YOU step up to your boss and say "look, you would have never seen this, and you may fire me because I'm telling you, but I did a half-assed job".
I run Win2K on non-mission critical systems. And I like it. But I understand the Microsoft Way of business. I also run Red Hat Linux 7 servers for more important stuff. I know what works and what doesn't. Appreciate both sides of the coin. If you don't like, it, say so and say why, but let's stop crying:-)
Just to keep things cool and controllable, I would propose three distros:
- Merge Red Hat and Corel Linux, Mandrake: a home-user distro, easy to use, end-user support
- Merge Debian and Slackware: a high-end server solution, rock solid, not for the faint of heart. Would require corporate support such as what red Hat offers
- Merge Caldera, TurboLinux, SuSE: The power-user's choice
This would lessen the Linux Fragmentation Effect(tm) and would also help standardise interesting issues, such as config file locations.
If there's no central star, what gravitational pull is keeping them in place? Another big planet? If nothing holds them back, maybe these planets are just travelling through space at 27000 mph (hehe) and who knows, they could fall into orbit around our Sun.
Just think of all the books that would have to be revised to accomodate the addition of a new planet in our solar system...
We need stable, reliable software, not buggy software. People have come to love and use Linux because it's stable and reliable. The last thing Linus needs is pressure to release the most important part of _our_ OS because of marketing hype. Look at some of the Open Source Releases lately (trying not to point fingers!!).. markey hype pushes them to release software before it's ready, then they trickle the patches and updates through the Internet.
I never was afraid of using a x.x.0 kernel, and I don't want that to change. People wanting the bleeding edge can simply compile the PRE kernels!
The damn RAM pack was the worst POS I ever saw. After a few hours plucking away at assembly language, one false wobble would make the whole thing crash (hmmm, is there a RAM pack in WindowsÉ heheh).
I also remember doing some BASIC on it. The computer would refresh the entire line you were typing at every character. For the first 32 characters this was fine, but after 2-3 lines, typing became utterly sloy, hence the "Fast" button.
In any case, this gem got me started on computers. I still have the original box and booklet. History in the making!!
I have a Coco2, which is oodles faster than the Sinclair, and it uses the Motorola 68B09E processor at 0.89Mhz. With one POKE you can double the clock to 1.7 Mhz. So I doubt that the Sinclair be even One Megahertz
Has anyone noticed that this article contains posts from users with low (under #5000) Slashdot user ID's? And that the posts from users #5000 and less are all +4 and up? This article managed to dig up the Linux veterans and get them to do some serious, intelligent commenting. Notice that most troll posts occur above UID 100000, where the latest generation of trolls seem to be located.
I'm not flaming or trolling, it's just my observation. When I see a post from a low User ID, I tend to treat it with much more respect than the newer users'.
Size and Memory Limitations
2 Terabyte filesystem limitation
Currently XFS is limited to filesystem smaller that 2 terabytes. This is due to limitations in the Linux block device I/O layers.
The XFS team is working with Linux developers to improve the Linux I/O layers. The improvements will include the support neccesary to exceed 2 Tbyte filesystems.
4 Gbyte memory limitation
Well, those "caveats" won't prevent my servers running for a long time!
I remember when blackened.org went offline because of DoS attacks. They had the ability to serve up to 7000 IRC clients. One of the main reasons for killing the server, IIRC, was because of an evening where a bunch of idiots threw tons of garbage down blackened's pipes, causing the entire state of (arizona?) to be deprived of internet access. Although I cannot find Matt's original letter, I did find the config of irc2.blackened.com:
oldcharred.blackened.com: AMD K6-2 @ 333mhz, 128M of ram, 18G-10k rpm scsi primary, 9G secondary. This server houses the origional irc2.blackened.com EFnet server, the largest EFnet server in the world before it de-linked. Still running with the origional IRCD, I, O, C/N lines and TCM.
It's a pity that, in blackened's case, volunteer workers such as mjr are forced to abandon what they love to do, because of immature kiddies flooding the network with useless garbage.
To be fair, they'd probably have to sue the NTFS for DOS developers. Although it provides RO access to NTFS volumes, it still gives DOS some NTFS functionality. But I guess since DOS is an MS product, no lawsuit will occur.
Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS
tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can
no longer provide this tool in the United States." Andre Hedrick [*] asked, "Wait they attacked you after the
request for cross over support?" Jeff replied:
Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus to provide full
NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to them. The agreements they signed with
us were very liberal, and allowed us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there
were no non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. What they
alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and supporting Linux NTFS users,
they believed it was impossible for me to keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between
their IP and Linux IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of inevitable
disclosure".
But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the open source NDS for
W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This
was compounded by the fact that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K
PE and DLL loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They found this
very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS work on Linux until we posted
MANOS and announced an Open Source NetWare.
We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights working on it, and
we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved the agreement. The last thing they
need is for me to take the stand and testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to
leave Novell in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP Laundry-Mat" to
launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look what we found on the internet and
downloaded today!).
NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing large numbers of file
and print servers, not internet/intranet servers like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior
internet directory capabilities.
Andre replied to Jeff's first paragraph:
Wait, this was a proposal of mine to MicroSoft to grant permission development in a clean
room model that only used white papers or other stuff that could be extracted passively.
I alos pointed out that this simple act of allowing open development of a public NTFS would
help them blow holes in the DOJ monopoly issue.
Jeff replied:
The way they took this was that we had changed sides in the war, since I was perceived to
be approaching them with you. Here's what they said about you,
"... We are concernd about the veracity of your associates. Despite the representations they
have made to you, we have not been taking GPL code from Linux and using internally at
Microsoft. This approach by these Linux people is little more than an attempt to [blackmail
Microsoft] with unsubstanciated rumors. We see no benefit whatsoever to provided NTFS
R/W capabilities on Linux..."
Not very nice to be sure. I know that black and white markings (like a penguin) are in style
right now, but white and black stripes are not !:-)
But he concluded, "I have the ability to litigate against them. They know this and I doubt will go any further
than to bluster and threaten." End Of Thread (tm).
It doesn't matter. No matter how many times MS shoot themselves in the foot, people will continue to buy MS products, and MS will continue to turn a profit. Even if MS were to piss on it's customers, I bet people would still buy their products. It's just odd that a company can do so many bad things and get away with it. The only other entity I can think of that can get away with this kind of shit is the government.
Linux version should beout in the next couple days
on
New Q3A Patch And Mods
·
· Score: 1
Isn't Carmack the one who said the Linux version of Q3A didn't sell much more than to cover cost? Gee, I wonder why. The Linux version of Q3A was released yay weeks (months?) after Windows, and all the patches are released yay days after Windows. It's been about 6 months since 1.17, couldn't ID have waited another THREE days to release the 1.25 patches for all platforms simultaneously?
By delaying the Linux and Mac versions, it's also giving the whole gaming community the impression that Linux and Mac are on the back burner, that they aren't important. I paid $69.95 CDN for Q3A for Linux and I love it. I just wish they stopped considering us Linux users as second-class citizens.
The Voodoo 3 does not suck. Having the fastest 3D accelerator is not all that it's cut out to be. The V3 is compatible with everything: BSD, BeOS, Linux, Win2K... And HAS been compatible for a long time. Sure, NVIDIA _now_ runs great on Linux, but I've been enjoying Unreal Tournament on Linux for a damn long time! As far as I'm concerned, 3Dfx is going to continue getting my money.
"The SYS Cold-Fusion desktop, the world's fastest PC, is intended for digital content creation, 3D graphics and game design, CAD/CAM, desktop publishing, financial analysis, and very serious gaming. Built around KryoTech's vapor phase refrigeration technology, the system provides unprecedented performance."
Funny, they didn't talk about web browsing and word processing!
After reading the/. headline and the article, I couldn't help but feel bad for Corel, who are giving Linux their all. I use Corel Linux at work, where SMB/MS connectivity is a must. Corel performs well on the PII-350 64M, and I access all of my SMB shares through point-and-click interfaces. This is what I need at work to be productive. (home == slackware)
But after seeing your stats, I realized that the articles were misinformed and were only spreading FUD in my mind. I bought Corel Linux SE and I like it.
Don't forget the FCC deals with communications issues, not OS issues. Now I would see the FCC intervene if IE gets >90% browser share, as browsers fall into communications.
At 27 I'm no youngin. My first modem (and I still have it) is a 300-baud acoustic coupler. I know what COBOL is, and I've even worked with stupid 80-col punch cards. I had my first personal-puter in 1981.
I just evolved over time. People tend to do that =) By todays standards, 128Kbps is slow, but speed is relative to what you need accomplished.
Damn, yet another article that confuses kiloBytes and kilobits... At least, I sure hope it's a confusion, because 128 KBytes/sec is not slow at all.
On another note, I'm just wondering how much money there is to be made servicing rural areas. I don't mean to discriminate, but there can't possibly be hundreds of thousands of subscribers (that wouldn't be rural, huh Jim?). But they have interesting technology ideas for what's involved.
Slashdot Mirror
Contrary to what people believe, Hydro is not a zero emissions system. The dams lower and raise water levels, screwing thing up for the surroundings.
The turbines are cooled by the water that pushes them and to an extent, contribute to raise water temperatures.
Needless to mention the massive powergrids of wires, poles, etc. which all consume brute product.
Hydro is clean.. But it's not Zero Emissions.
Well put, Bob. Even if there were 2500 bugs in RH7, I'd rather _know_ they exist, and disable the running code that I can. If you run a Windows 2000 Server, you know there are bugs in the code. But where are they? Microsoft knows about many more bugs, because a SP2 is in the works. But Microsoft will not tell you about a bug if you don't find it.
:-)
Would YOU step up to your boss and say "look, you would have never seen this, and you may fire me because I'm telling you, but I did a half-assed job".
I run Win2K on non-mission critical systems. And I like it. But I understand the Microsoft Way of business. I also run Red Hat Linux 7 servers for more important stuff. I know what works and what doesn't. Appreciate both sides of the coin. If you don't like, it, say so and say why, but let's stop crying
hehe Poing! There drops another planet! I was thinking more about inertia, but I guess your theory makes sense =)
Aren't we all rocket scientists? hehe
Just to keep things cool and controllable, I would propose three distros:
- Merge Red Hat and Corel Linux, Mandrake: a home-user distro, easy to use, end-user support
- Merge Debian and Slackware: a high-end server solution, rock solid, not for the faint of heart. Would require corporate support such as what red Hat offers
- Merge Caldera, TurboLinux, SuSE: The power-user's choice
This would lessen the Linux Fragmentation Effect(tm) and would also help standardise interesting issues, such as config file locations.
If there's no central star, what gravitational pull is keeping them in place? Another big planet? If nothing holds them back, maybe these planets are just travelling through space at 27000 mph (hehe) and who knows, they could fall into orbit around our Sun.
Just think of all the books that would have to be revised to accomodate the addition of a new planet in our solar system...
We need stable, reliable software, not buggy software. People have come to love and use Linux because it's stable and reliable. The last thing Linus needs is pressure to release the most important part of _our_ OS because of marketing hype. Look at some of the Open Source Releases lately (trying not to point fingers!!).. markey hype pushes them to release software before it's ready, then they trickle the patches and updates through the Internet.
I never was afraid of using a x.x.0 kernel, and I don't want that to change. People wanting the bleeding edge can simply compile the PRE kernels!
Hemos isn't the one who suggested Linux on this thing... Eugene Blanchard did.
Just making sure you ain't slamming the fine folks at Slashdot (there's my suck-up comment)
D.
I still have my Timex Sinclair, that we bought in 1982. It sports the following:
- 2KB RAM
- 150bps cassette interface
- 16KB RAM Pack
- 32 column printer
The damn RAM pack was the worst POS I ever saw. After a few hours plucking away at assembly language, one false wobble would make the whole thing crash (hmmm, is there a RAM pack in WindowsÉ heheh).
I also remember doing some BASIC on it. The computer would refresh the entire line you were typing at every character. For the first 32 characters this was fine, but after 2-3 lines, typing became utterly sloy, hence the "Fast" button.
In any case, this gem got me started on computers. I still have the original box and booklet. History in the making!!
I have a Coco2, which is oodles faster than the Sinclair, and it uses the Motorola 68B09E processor at 0.89Mhz. With one POKE you can double the clock to 1.7 Mhz. So I doubt that the Sinclair be even One Megahertz
No, silly! It was Hello World!
hello.c:
#include <stdio.h>
void main(void)
{
printf("Hello, world!");
}
[Offtopic, but my observation]
Has anyone noticed that this article contains posts from users with low (under #5000) Slashdot user ID's? And that the posts from users #5000 and less are all +4 and up? This article managed to dig up the Linux veterans and get them to do some serious, intelligent commenting. Notice that most troll posts occur above UID 100000, where the latest generation of trolls seem to be located.
I'm not flaming or trolling, it's just my observation. When I see a post from a low User ID, I tend to treat it with much more respect than the newer users'.
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hehe I love seing this kinda stuff!
XFS Beta Release Caveats
Size and Memory Limitations 2 Terabyte filesystem limitation
Currently XFS is limited to filesystem smaller that 2 terabytes. This is due to limitations in the Linux block device I/O layers.
The XFS team is working with Linux developers to improve the Linux I/O layers. The improvements will include the support neccesary to exceed 2 Tbyte filesystems.
4 Gbyte memory limitation
Well, those "caveats" won't prevent my servers running for a long time!
I remember when blackened.org went offline because of DoS attacks. They had the ability to serve up to 7000 IRC clients. One of the main reasons for killing the server, IIRC, was because of an evening where a bunch of idiots threw tons of garbage down blackened's pipes, causing the entire state of (arizona?) to be deprived of internet access. Although I cannot find Matt's original letter, I did find the config of irc2.blackened.com:
oldcharred.blackened.com: AMD K6-2 @ 333mhz, 128M of ram, 18G-10k rpm scsi primary, 9G secondary. This server houses the origional irc2.blackened.com EFnet server, the largest EFnet server in the world before it de-linked. Still running with the origional IRCD, I, O, C/N lines and TCM.
It's a pity that, in blackened's case, volunteer workers such as mjr are forced to abandon what they love to do, because of immature kiddies flooding the network with useless garbage.
To be fair, they'd probably have to sue the NTFS for DOS developers. Although it provides RO access to NTFS volumes, it still gives DOS some NTFS functionality. But I guess since DOS is an MS product, no lawsuit will occur.
Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS
..."
:-)
tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can
no longer provide this tool in the United States." Andre Hedrick [*] asked, "Wait they attacked you after the
request for cross over support?" Jeff replied:
Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus to provide full
NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to them. The agreements they signed with
us were very liberal, and allowed us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there
were no non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. What they
alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and supporting Linux NTFS users,
they believed it was impossible for me to keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between
their IP and Linux IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of inevitable
disclosure".
But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the open source NDS for
W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This
was compounded by the fact that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K
PE and DLL loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They found this
very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS work on Linux until we posted
MANOS and announced an Open Source NetWare.
We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights working on it, and
we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved the agreement. The last thing they
need is for me to take the stand and testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to
leave Novell in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP Laundry-Mat" to
launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look what we found on the internet and
downloaded today!).
NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing large numbers of file
and print servers, not internet/intranet servers like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior
internet directory capabilities.
Andre replied to Jeff's first paragraph:
Wait, this was a proposal of mine to MicroSoft to grant permission development in a clean
room model that only used white papers or other stuff that could be extracted passively.
I alos pointed out that this simple act of allowing open development of a public NTFS would
help them blow holes in the DOJ monopoly issue.
Jeff replied:
The way they took this was that we had changed sides in the war, since I was perceived to
be approaching them with you. Here's what they said about you,
"... We are concernd about the veracity of your associates. Despite the representations they
have made to you, we have not been taking GPL code from Linux and using internally at
Microsoft. This approach by these Linux people is little more than an attempt to [blackmail
Microsoft] with unsubstanciated rumors. We see no benefit whatsoever to provided NTFS
R/W capabilities on Linux
Not very nice to be sure. I know that black and white markings (like a penguin) are in style
right now, but white and black stripes are not !
But he concluded, "I have the ability to litigate against them. They know this and I doubt will go any further
than to bluster and threaten." End Of Thread (tm).
The site seems slashdotted. Anyone have a copy of the article in their cache?
It doesn't matter. No matter how many times MS shoot themselves in the foot, people will continue to buy MS products, and MS will continue to turn a profit. Even if MS were to piss on it's customers, I bet people would still buy their products. It's just odd that a company can do so many bad things and get away with it. The only other entity I can think of that can get away with this kind of shit is the government.
Isn't Carmack the one who said the Linux version of Q3A didn't sell much more than to cover cost? Gee, I wonder why. The Linux version of Q3A was released yay weeks (months?) after Windows, and all the patches are released yay days after Windows. It's been about 6 months since 1.17, couldn't ID have waited another THREE days to release the 1.25 patches for all platforms simultaneously?
By delaying the Linux and Mac versions, it's also giving the whole gaming community the impression that Linux and Mac are on the back burner, that they aren't important. I paid $69.95 CDN for Q3A for Linux and I love it. I just wish they stopped considering us Linux users as second-class citizens.
The Voodoo 3 does not suck. Having the fastest 3D accelerator is not all that it's cut out to be. The V3 is compatible with everything: BSD, BeOS, Linux, Win2K... And HAS been compatible for a long time. Sure, NVIDIA _now_ runs great on Linux, but I've been enjoying Unreal Tournament on Linux for a damn long time! As far as I'm concerned, 3Dfx is going to continue getting my money.
As taken from SYS's website:
"The SYS Cold-Fusion desktop, the world's fastest PC, is intended for digital content creation, 3D graphics and game design, CAD/CAM, desktop publishing, financial analysis, and very serious gaming. Built around KryoTech's vapor phase refrigeration technology, the system provides unprecedented performance."
Funny, they didn't talk about web browsing and word processing!
After reading the /. headline and the article, I couldn't help but feel bad for Corel, who are giving Linux their all. I use Corel Linux at work, where SMB/MS connectivity is a must. Corel performs well on the PII-350 64M, and I access all of my SMB shares through point-and-click interfaces. This is what I need at work to be productive. (home == slackware)
But after seeing your stats, I realized that the articles were misinformed and were only spreading FUD in my mind. I bought Corel Linux SE and I like it.
Don't forget the FCC deals with communications issues, not OS issues. Now I would see the FCC intervene if IE gets >90% browser share, as browsers fall into communications.
At 27 I'm no youngin. My first modem (and I still have it) is a 300-baud acoustic coupler. I know what COBOL is, and I've even worked with stupid 80-col punch cards. I had my first personal-puter in 1981.
I just evolved over time. People tend to do that =) By todays standards, 128Kbps is slow, but speed is relative to what you need accomplished.
Damn, yet another article that confuses kiloBytes and kilobits... At least, I sure hope it's a confusion, because 128 KBytes/sec is not slow at all.
On another note, I'm just wondering how much money there is to be made servicing rural areas. I don't mean to discriminate, but there can't possibly be hundreds of thousands of subscribers (that wouldn't be rural, huh Jim?). But they have interesting technology ideas for what's involved.