Well, they were glad to flaunt their newfound skill. I quickly acknowledged their efforts and congratulated them for a job well done, remided them that I'd like for everyone's e-mail to remain confidential and proceeded to change my password. They didn't re-sniff again.
Had I threatened them or had I got mad at them, that would have pissed them off and encouraged them to continue.
well, let's put it this way. These kids knew that the POP password was the same as the NetWare password, and were successful in identifying (on their own) a major security flaw with our school's network.
These kids, a few months later, were setting up FreeBSD firewalls loaded with SSH so I couldn't mess with their Exchange servers.
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They are plowing ahead so quickly that they will cause their own destruction, and Linux will step in to pick up the pieces and allow people to get work done better.
As the devil's advocate, if Microsoft advance too quickly and Linux doesn't advance quickly enough, people will be generally disappointed with the advance difference in both environments, even if Windows is considered crap. Don't forget, nowadays, people think it's totally normal to reboot a server after changing it's DNS or IP address, or after enabling packet forwarding.
If too many people see only the Microsoft way, they'll consider that as the norm, and anything else as sub-par.
Again, I agree. I'm with my students for 10 months, 30 hrs a week. Some groups are true gems (like the sniffers) and some are downright slooooooow. And it's very frustrating to have to explain symbolic links for three days.
Oh well, you win some, you lose some, but I feel for you. If you're a bright dude, and you get stuck in a slow group, you just feel like you've hung yourself.
I am a comp.sci teacher, and you just cannot cut today's students short. After a few months of intensive class, I had students sniffing my POP mail and cracking my SMB password with l0pht. Maybe not the most challenging tasks, but it just goes to prove that us teachers should "put our money where our mouth is".
As a teacher, if I dare my students, I should be able to live up to the consequences.
I couldn't really care about Direct3D compatibility, as I use 100% Linux on my machine. What was important to me was a stable X server and excellent 3D rendering, both of which I obtained when choosing the V3 3000. I still enjoy it on a daily basis, as Q3A, UT and SoF run beautifully on Linux / V3 3000.
Holy crap, I never saw this coming. I've owned 3Dfx cards for years, and their hardware kicks ass - not necessarily performance-wise, but reliability, and compatibility. Drivers were never an issue (as opposed to some other card maker).
I currently have a V3 3K... and it runs sweet on Linux. I'm not about to change it for any NVidia product anytime soon, till someone can prove to me that NV works as well as 3Dfx.
It's uncanny how people associate the Net with the Web. Two different things altogether (although one is required for the other). Maybe the WEB has reached a potential peak, but the Internet is still a maze of possibilities, much more so than TV's and Phones.
Sure we North Americans are entering a phase we all know too well: we've seen it, let's take it for granted. Let's not forget that only a finite amount of the Earth's population is wired to the Net. A person who's never touched a computer will feel the same excitement we did when they first get on the Net, be that tomorrow or in 5 years.
I do feel that for us (people used to having the net) we've realized that the Net is not a saviour, it's a tool. Just like when you get a chainsaw for Xmas, you want to cut every tree down until you get bored with it. Then the chainsaw becomes a tool, you use it when you need it, for what you need it. I think the Net is reaching that point for us.
hey... Think of all the hits this brought to the gamespy site, and think of all the people who never heard of gamespy. Any marketing technique is as good as the next and in this case, it worked like a charm.
It's not the first time we've seen a site write up an article flaming Linux, just cuz they knew it'd appear on/.'s headlines.. it's called "trolling".
That's why I'm incorporated, and invoice my employer as a service provider.
I pay no sales tax on company expenses, expenses are deducted from revenues and help lower taxable income, and income is split three ways: company, salary, dividends. Throw in 5-10K per year in RSP's and other placements, and you're all set. I do not come _near_ paying 50% taxes! You just have to know how to play the system!
As a Canadian Hi-Techy, many people ask me why I don't pack up and head to the States to make twice as much as I do now.
Money is nice, but it's not all. Right now I work in an environment where my boss respects me, I have no boss over my shoulder all the time, no strict timesheet to complete, no idiot co-workers to bog me down, and the freedom to arrive a bit late and take an occasional afternoon off. Besides, I don't have to wear a shirt and tie!
I make a pretty decent salary, and it's plenty to afford house, cars, snowmobiles, cottage, 2.3 kids, dog and cat. What more could I want? Greed breeds misery, if you ask me.
VMware is great, and it also runs Windows NT. I got it to run Win98 with networking support, and it was quite fast (not fast enough for games, but fast enough for Office).
Plex will continue to evolve and get better, and this should contribute to _lower_ pricing for VMWare.
Good point, and it's also inherently obvious from the first paragraph:
the long-awaited Linux 2.4 kernel for commercial release.
Commercial release? It sounds like someone is selling the Kernel, or that Linus is making money releasing the the Kernel. What the article does fail to say is that the Kernel is being released because it's _ready_, not because of market pressure or financial agony to release a product just for cash (Office).
I think companies can expect major saving from using Linux on their terminals.. Think about it: 15,000 X $50 for a MLA for Windows = $750,000 in savings just by running Linux.
One question I have is about tech support. Does it cost more/less to maintain Linux on a desktop in a corportation than Windows? Then I think of the following:
- few, if no, virus problems
- no e-mail scripting problems
- disk quota support, vs. Win9X and Me
- Security.. User cannot do just what he wants
I figure with the right people and the right installation, these companies can save major bucks bu running Linux!
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Well, they were glad to flaunt their newfound skill. I quickly acknowledged their efforts and congratulated them for a job well done, remided them that I'd like for everyone's e-mail to remain confidential and proceeded to change my password. They didn't re-sniff again.
Had I threatened them or had I got mad at them, that would have pissed them off and encouraged them to continue.
well, let's put it this way. These kids knew that the POP password was the same as the NetWare password, and were successful in identifying (on their own) a major security flaw with our school's network.
These kids, a few months later, were setting up FreeBSD firewalls loaded with SSH so I couldn't mess with their Exchange servers.
They are plowing ahead so quickly that they will cause their own destruction, and Linux will step in to pick up the pieces and allow people to get work done better.
As the devil's advocate, if Microsoft advance too quickly and Linux doesn't advance quickly enough, people will be generally disappointed with the advance difference in both environments, even if Windows is considered crap. Don't forget, nowadays, people think it's totally normal to reboot a server after changing it's DNS or IP address, or after enabling packet forwarding.
If too many people see only the Microsoft way, they'll consider that as the norm, and anything else as sub-par.
Again, I agree. I'm with my students for 10 months, 30 hrs a week. Some groups are true gems (like the sniffers) and some are downright slooooooow. And it's very frustrating to have to explain symbolic links for three days.
Oh well, you win some, you lose some, but I feel for you. If you're a bright dude, and you get stuck in a slow group, you just feel like you've hung yourself.
I am a comp.sci teacher, and you just cannot cut today's students short. After a few months of intensive class, I had students sniffing my POP mail and cracking my SMB password with l0pht. Maybe not the most challenging tasks, but it just goes to prove that us teachers should "put our money where our mouth is".
As a teacher, if I dare my students, I should be able to live up to the consequences.
According to SGI, GL means Graphics Library, and not Graphics Language. Besides, what language would that be?
I couldn't really care about Direct3D compatibility, as I use 100% Linux on my machine. What was important to me was a stable X server and excellent 3D rendering, both of which I obtained when choosing the V3 3000. I still enjoy it on a daily basis, as Q3A, UT and SoF run beautifully on Linux / V3 3000.
Holy crap, I never saw this coming. I've owned 3Dfx cards for years, and their hardware kicks ass - not necessarily performance-wise, but reliability, and compatibility. Drivers were never an issue (as opposed to some other card maker).
... and it runs sweet on Linux. I'm not about to change it for any NVidia product anytime soon, till someone can prove to me that NV works as well as 3Dfx.
I currently have a V3 3K
It's uncanny how people associate the Net with the Web. Two different things altogether (although one is required for the other). Maybe the WEB has reached a potential peak, but the Internet is still a maze of possibilities, much more so than TV's and Phones.
Sure we North Americans are entering a phase we all know too well: we've seen it, let's take it for granted. Let's not forget that only a finite amount of the Earth's population is wired to the Net. A person who's never touched a computer will feel the same excitement we did when they first get on the Net, be that tomorrow or in 5 years.
I do feel that for us (people used to having the net) we've realized that the Net is not a saviour, it's a tool. Just like when you get a chainsaw for Xmas, you want to cut every tree down until you get bored with it. Then the chainsaw becomes a tool, you use it when you need it, for what you need it. I think the Net is reaching that point for us.
That just eliminates 99% of all canadians =)
PS: I'm canadian... But I do weigh 195...
I like the Gimme Now comment... Sur, give it to him NOW, then watch him complain that it wasn't ready for market and that they released it too soon =)
hey... Think of all the hits this brought to the gamespy site, and think of all the people who never heard of gamespy. Any marketing technique is as good as the next and in this case, it worked like a charm.
/.'s headlines.. it's called "trolling".
It's not the first time we've seen a site write up an article flaming Linux, just cuz they knew it'd appear on
That's why I'm incorporated, and invoice my employer as a service provider.
I pay no sales tax on company expenses, expenses are deducted from revenues and help lower taxable income, and income is split three ways: company, salary, dividends. Throw in 5-10K per year in RSP's and other placements, and you're all set. I do not come _near_ paying 50% taxes! You just have to know how to play the system!
As a Canadian Hi-Techy, many people ask me why I don't pack up and head to the States to make twice as much as I do now.
Money is nice, but it's not all. Right now I work in an environment where my boss respects me, I have no boss over my shoulder all the time, no strict timesheet to complete, no idiot co-workers to bog me down, and the freedom to arrive a bit late and take an occasional afternoon off. Besides, I don't have to wear a shirt and tie!
I make a pretty decent salary, and it's plenty to afford house, cars, snowmobiles, cottage, 2.3 kids, dog and cat. What more could I want? Greed breeds misery, if you ask me.
It's not always greener on the other side!
VMware is great, and it also runs Windows NT. I got it to run Win98 with networking support, and it was quite fast (not fast enough for games, but fast enough for Office).
Plex will continue to evolve and get better, and this should contribute to _lower_ pricing for VMWare.
Hmmm, I hadn't calculated it that way =) Thanks for the clarification.
Seems like a high latency for that type of connection... Wouldn't 70 usec (microseconds) make more sense? Or maybe 7 msec?
Good point, and it's also inherently obvious from the first paragraph:
the long-awaited Linux 2.4 kernel for commercial release.
Commercial release? It sounds like someone is selling the Kernel, or that Linus is making money releasing the the Kernel. What the article does fail to say is that the Kernel is being released because it's _ready_, not because of market pressure or financial agony to release a product just for cash (Office).
You did forget to mention that, in the cmd line interface, he needn't put an & sign at the end of his commands =)
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Well I guess I got reamed pretty good... Thanks for the clarifications guys. 25M is still a lot for a stupid browser =)
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This is my top output, sorted by memory use, only browsing Slashdot. A Netscape 4.7 mail session is included just for comparison:
667 root 0 0 57616 56M 2324 S 0 0.1 22.3 0:06 X
761 toofast 0 0 25976 25M 13408 R 0 0.0 10.0 0:09 mozilla-bin
763 toofast 0 0 25976 25M 13408 S 0 0.0 10.0 0:00 mozilla-bin
764 toofast 0 0 25976 25M 13408 S 0 0.0 10.0 0:00 mozilla-bin
765 toofast 0 0 25976 25M 13408 S 0 0.0 10.0 0:00 mozilla-bin
726 toofast 0 0 15364 15M 8788 S 0 0.0 5.9 0:02 netscape-commun
You can still buy WIndows 95... You can also still buy NT4 Server and Workstation. Might want to add those to your list.
I think companies can expect major saving from using Linux on their terminals.. Think about it: 15,000 X $50 for a MLA for Windows = $750,000 in savings just by running Linux.
One question I have is about tech support. Does it cost more/less to maintain Linux on a desktop in a corportation than Windows? Then I think of the following:
- few, if no, virus problems
- no e-mail scripting problems
- disk quota support, vs. Win9X and Me
- Security.. User cannot do just what he wants
I figure with the right people and the right installation, these companies can save major bucks bu running Linux!
hahaha Thanks, that insight made me laugh =)