I was able to build Openjade on Solaris 8. But, I have to agree that there were a lot of hardles along the way. Makefile that the configure creates is not correct. Also, the installer does not copy all the dsssl dtds properly.
More than a billion people! And, as someone else has already pointed, the article was written in a Indian rag (India Times) which means the target readers would know the word 'lakh'.
Wrong! US has all sorts of trade barriers with the rest of the world (just like any other country). Tarrifs and subsidies to the local business nothing new to US.
Nah I don't hate American. I live in the US and actually admire many American ideals. But, the problem is that for every example of America doing good for a foreign country there are many more where the US govt supported tyrany, murderous dictatorship, covertly overthrew democratic govts. No nation is perfect and US does have a lot of good people. But, it seems that most people in the US are not aware of their govt's actions on the foreign land.
And unlike Puerto Rico and Japan, people in most countries don't like to be occupied. Phillipines is an example where they just did not want US military bases to be there.
I am curious - which part of the statement The jobs Britain stole from the Asian subcontinent 200 years ago are now being returned you find "utter bollocks"?
You have no idea how much those corporate intranet cost. It is way way more than $5.5mil. Take for a company that has 20k employees each with a midrange PC or Laptop. Then add in the routers, switches. Don't forget the software (not everyone is open source you know). Oops we are foget more stuff - like salaries for people running this network, supporting the hardware. $5.5mil won't go too far.
Its certainly true for the industry I am in - telecom. My company and all the telecom companies I have friends in have lost more than 50% workforce since the downturn started.
Once upon a time, there was a shortage of Doctors in the US and Doctors trained in the foreign countries were encouraged to come here and work.
Same with the pharmacists in the 1970s. During that period, a foreign trained pharmacist could come to US with a green card already issued for him/her.
That shortage was not too long ago for nurses (not sure if that is still true).
In the 90s, there was somewhat shortage of tech workers. I know many people on this board don't agree with that. But, if you go and look at the CS or engineering departments, you will see that it is flooded with foreign students. In the graduate dept, it is even worse. So, not enough US citizens were graduating with CS/Engineering degrees. A lot of these foreign students later changed their visa status to H1B. Then came the dot com fiasco along with y2k issue. The need for tech workers increased (but was probably not as much as some thought), H1B quota was increased, foreign workers were brought in directly from abroad with H1B visas. Some contracting firms took advantage of this situation and essentially abused the system. Now, that we have implotion the tech job market, the usage of H1B visa has decreased quite a bit and it is not reaching the yearly quota anymore.
No, I did not interview just one person. I gave an example. I have interviewed many many people over the last 8 years and have come across good ones and a lot of bad ones. Neither the US citizens nor the H1Bs have any monopoly over either being good or bad.
Wrong! When we hired a H1B couple years back (when our company was still in the position to hire:(), we looked high and low for people with the right skills. Oh, we got stacks of applications and the salary advertised was above the market rate. I had had quite a few phone interviews where the job seekers are asking for fat salaries without having the prerequisite skills. One person I interviewed put down NFS and autofs in his resume. When asked how do you mount a NFS partition his answer was that another group does that, he only knows what it is about. This guy was asking for 85K/year, way above the market rate with a skillset way below the requirement. We ended up hiring an Australian with very good experience, great skill sets and superb work ethics for that position for the same amount of money. So, we did not end up getting cheap labour, but a better worker.
It is not the only time I have come across that sort of people. It is hard to get the right people for the right job.
Ah, But you are a Canadian. The same situation does not apply for people from Asian countries. A US company would have a much harder time bringing someone from say India without meeting H1B requirements, at least not legally.
According to the NY Times auto industry is struggling as well. Let me quote from today's article titled Schwab to End Match to 401(k)'s:
Ms. Credico, who works mostly with large corporations, said that so far, many cutbacks had been confined to certain struggling industries.
"The place where you'll see the trend is primarily in the automotive industry," she said. "They either reduced the match or eliminated it completely."
Ford Motor and DaimlerChrysler, for example, suspended their 401(k) matches for 2002 as part of cost-cutting programs. The cuts applied only to salaried workers; hourly employees did not receive the match. A Ford spokeswoman, Anne Marie Gattari, said the company planned to reinstate its matching contributions when finances improved.
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Those "hungry immigrants" cannot take a job for half your salary. That has been said over and over again. Yes, there are abuses of the H1B system (both from the employers and from the employees). Those are not the norm. Moreover, more than ever, most companies are not hiring people who do not have citizenship/greencard in the first place. That was even true when the tech boom was at its peak. My personal experience - when I was changing jobs during 1999 I used to get ~50 phone calls a week to first talk to me. Vast majority of cases, the caller would not consider me because of my immigration status.
Going back even further, when I was graduating from uni - roughly about 70% companies who came to the school's job fairs specified that they would NOT consider non US citizens/green card holders.
So, the argument that H1Bs are taking job away from US citizens are vastly inflated.
Misinformation about Pakistan. Pakistan had three differnt wars with its neighbour in last 40 years. In one instance its army killed directly/indirectly about 3 million of its own people because they were not of the right religion or did not have the right ethnicity (1971 civil war that resulted in creation of Bangladesh).
Moreover, Pakistan in its 50 some odd years, did not have democracy for the most part (only about 10 years worth). And, right now a general has the power in that country who took over through military coup from a democratically elected gov.
Morever, unlike Iraq, Pakistan has the nukes already and are periodically threatning to use it against its neighbour India (who is doing the same by the way).
And, don't forget, Pakistan government is the one brought Taleban to the power in Afganistan (their secret service was directly involved and was one the only three countries to recognize the taleban gov) and then subsequently lost control over them. Osama Bin-Laden regularly stayed in Pakistan till 9/11.
Pakistan is also the same country that has people who still have actively support Taleban style gov, has widespread anti-american feelings.
Only thing that Pakistan does not have is the amount of oil Iraq has.
All of the above are well documented. So, make your own judgement why US is about to attack Iraq instead of Pakistan.
A fair portion of the H1Bs are also graduates of US universities. I am one of them, and there are a lot of people like me. So, just like the US citizens, we had to pay the tution for the college and guess what - our tution was 5 times higher than US citizen with state residency (I am talking about state unis). On top of that we were not allowed any kind of financial aids, nor were we allowed to work outside of school (and only for 20 hours/week). So, we had a tougher time going through the college, yet the cs/ee grad/postgrad was/is filled with foreign stduents. There, the US citizens are the minority.
There was already a shortage of Americans going to get engineering/cs degree. I am not even talking about late nineties. When I was in school (91-95), the grad level classes of the cs department was filled with chinese or people from indian subcontinent - not too many US citizens. My friends in various other universities in EE/CS had the same experience. Now, if you went to the business department, you saw the exact opposit. So, even before all these tech booms US had a shortage of engineers/techies.
Some (but not all) of those Indians "live together like sardine stacked up in apartments" because they send a good portion of their erarnings to their families back home. I am a H1B holder and I do get paid quite handsomely (this is true for all the H1B holders I know).
Then there is another aspect that most slashdotters are ignoring - if you go to cs departments (grad and postgrad) of the US universities, you will find that a good portion of the students are foreigners (specically from China and the Indian subcontient) and sometimes they are the majority. This falls in line with many articles of slashdots where a lot of the posters claimed that University education was unnecessary to have good carrier in IT. The net result is that when a company is looking for a person with a degree in cs, there is not a big pool of US citizens out there.
Lastly, from my own experience, it was never easy to get the right people in the IT field. In last 10 years I had the opportunity to interview many people for sysadmin type jobs. At the height of the tech boom, I saw a lot of resumes of US citizens with all the buzz words. When it came to the interview, they failed miserably (one guy who was asking ~80K and put NFS in his resume could not tell me how to mount a NFS file system). That position eventually got filled by a very talented H1B (an Australian) n with a lot of experience. And, he was paid above the market rate.
Let me finish by giving you another aspect of the job market. I work in the telecom industry and reguarly work with the big telecom companies. It seems that these telecom companies are not willing to pay good money to hire good sys admins to look after their very expensive equipments. Instead, they give the job to some guy who does not even know how to change the unix password from the command line in charge of the Sun F6800 class machines (no these guys are not H1Bs). I have seen it over and over again. If these giant telecom companies are not hiring the right people (H1B or not), how can you blame the H1Bs for not having enough jobs for the US citizens?
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v=dx/dt is not a division. That in itself proves that he does not know what he is talking about.
Network Appliance has done it. I believe (from my memory) they keep seven versions of your files. So, you can get back the files you have deleted/modified without going to your tape backup. NetApps demoed this feature and off course the yanking-power-but-not-losing-data feature a while back to my last company (~1996-97).
Netware does something that mimicks what you are asking for. It can be set so that when you delete/modify the file, it copies the older/removed version to a hidden directory called deleted.sav. You can use their 'salvage' utility to get them back again.
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Wrong! You can get student visa as well as spouse/dependent visas as well.
Ultra 1 is also 64-bit with correct e-prom and it is a sun4u not a sun4m.
I was able to build Openjade on Solaris 8. But, I have to agree that there were a lot of hardles along the way. Makefile that the configure creates is not correct. Also, the installer does not copy all the dsssl dtds properly.
Are you sure about that defination? IIRC, US gov. constantly complains about Syra, Iran and Libya being sponsors of "state terrorism".
More than a billion people! And, as someone else has already pointed, the article was written in a Indian rag (India Times) which means the target readers would know the word 'lakh'.
Wrong! US has all sorts of trade barriers with the rest of the world (just like any other country). Tarrifs and subsidies to the local business nothing new to US.
Nah I don't hate American. I live in the US and actually admire many American ideals. But, the problem is that for every example of America doing good for a foreign country there are many more where the US govt supported tyrany, murderous dictatorship, covertly overthrew democratic govts. No nation is perfect and US does have a lot of good people. But, it seems that most people in the US are not aware of their govt's actions on the foreign land.
And unlike Puerto Rico and Japan, people in most countries don't like to be occupied. Phillipines is an example where they just did not want US military bases to be there.
I am curious - which part of the statement The jobs Britain stole from the Asian subcontinent 200 years ago are now being returned you find "utter bollocks"?
You need to start using the 'logging' mount option my friend :)
Wrong! H1B still have to be paid the prevailing wage. IT was never tied to the number of allowed visas.
You have no idea how much those corporate intranet cost. It is way way more than $5.5mil. Take for a company that has 20k employees each with a midrange PC or Laptop. Then add in the routers, switches. Don't forget the software (not everyone is open source you know). Oops we are foget more stuff - like salaries for people running this network, supporting the hardware. $5.5mil won't go too far.
Its certainly true for the industry I am in - telecom. My company and all the telecom companies I have friends in have lost more than 50% workforce since the downturn started.
Once upon a time, there was a shortage of Doctors in the US and Doctors trained in the foreign countries were encouraged to come here and work.
Same with the pharmacists in the 1970s. During that period, a foreign trained pharmacist could come to US with a green card already issued for him/her.
That shortage was not too long ago for nurses (not sure if that is still true).
In the 90s, there was somewhat shortage of tech workers. I know many people on this board don't agree with that. But, if you go and look at the CS or engineering departments, you will see that it is flooded with foreign students. In the graduate dept, it is even worse. So, not enough US citizens were graduating with CS/Engineering degrees. A lot of these foreign students later changed their visa status to H1B. Then came the dot com fiasco along with y2k issue. The need for tech workers increased (but was probably not as much as some thought), H1B quota was increased, foreign workers were brought in directly from abroad with H1B visas. Some contracting firms took advantage of this situation and essentially abused the system. Now, that we have implotion the tech job market, the usage of H1B visa has decreased quite a bit and it is not reaching the yearly quota anymore.
No, I did not interview just one person. I gave an example. I have interviewed many many people over the last 8 years and have come across good ones and a lot of bad ones. Neither the US citizens nor the H1Bs have any monopoly over either being good or bad.
Wrong! When we hired a H1B couple years back (when our company was still in the position to hire :(), we looked high and low for people with the right skills. Oh, we got stacks of applications and the salary advertised was above the market rate. I had had quite a few phone interviews where the job seekers are asking for fat salaries without having the prerequisite skills. One person I interviewed put down NFS and autofs in his resume. When asked how do you mount a NFS partition his answer was that another group does that, he only knows what it is about. This guy was asking for 85K/year, way above the market rate with a skillset way below the requirement. We ended up hiring an Australian with very good experience, great skill sets and superb work ethics for that position for the same amount of money. So, we did not end up getting cheap labour, but a better worker.
It is not the only time I have come across that sort of people. It is hard to get the right people for the right job.
Ah, But you are a Canadian. The same situation does not apply for people from Asian countries. A US company would have a much harder time bringing someone from say India without meeting H1B requirements, at least not legally.
According to the NY Times auto industry is struggling as well. Let me quote from today's article titled Schwab to End Match to 401(k)'s:
Ms. Credico, who works mostly with large corporations, said that so far, many cutbacks had been confined to certain struggling industries.
"The place where you'll see the trend is primarily in the automotive industry," she said. "They either reduced the match or eliminated it completely."
Ford Motor and DaimlerChrysler, for example, suspended their 401(k) matches for 2002 as part of cost-cutting programs. The cuts applied only to salaried workers; hourly employees did not receive the match. A Ford spokeswoman, Anne Marie Gattari, said the company planned to reinstate its matching contributions when finances improved.
Those "hungry immigrants" cannot take a job for half your salary. That has been said over and over again. Yes, there are abuses of the H1B system (both from the employers and from the employees). Those are not the norm. Moreover, more than ever, most companies are not hiring people who do not have citizenship/greencard in the first place. That was even true when the tech boom was at its peak. My personal experience - when I was changing jobs during 1999 I used to get ~50 phone calls a week to first talk to me. Vast majority of cases, the caller would not consider me because of my immigration status.
Going back even further, when I was graduating from uni - roughly about 70% companies who came to the school's job fairs specified that they would NOT consider non US citizens/green card holders.
So, the argument that H1Bs are taking job away from US citizens are vastly inflated.
Misinformation about Pakistan. Pakistan had three differnt wars with its neighbour in last 40 years. In one instance its army killed directly/indirectly about 3 million of its own people because they were not of the right religion or did not have the right ethnicity (1971 civil war that resulted in creation of Bangladesh).
Moreover, Pakistan in its 50 some odd years, did not have democracy for the most part (only about 10 years worth). And, right now a general has the power in that country who took over through military coup from a democratically elected gov.
Morever, unlike Iraq, Pakistan has the nukes already and are periodically threatning to use it against its neighbour India (who is doing the same by the way).
And, don't forget, Pakistan government is the one brought Taleban to the power in Afganistan (their secret service was directly involved and was one the only three countries to recognize the taleban gov) and then subsequently lost control over them.
Osama Bin-Laden regularly stayed in Pakistan till 9/11.
Pakistan is also the same country that has people who still have actively support Taleban style gov, has widespread anti-american feelings.
Only thing that Pakistan does not have is the amount of oil Iraq has.
All of the above are well documented. So, make your own judgement why US is about to attack Iraq instead of Pakistan.
Actually, an H1B can stay only for 10 days after a job loss. So, this proposal is actually moot.
A fair portion of the H1Bs are also graduates of US universities. I am one of them, and there are a lot of people like me. So, just like the US citizens, we had to pay the tution for the college and guess what - our tution was 5 times higher than US citizen with state residency (I am talking about state unis). On top of that we were not allowed any kind of financial aids, nor were we allowed to work outside of school (and only for 20 hours/week). So, we had a tougher time going through the college, yet the cs/ee grad/postgrad was/is filled with foreign stduents. There, the US citizens are the minority.
There was already a shortage of Americans going to get engineering/cs degree. I am not even talking about late nineties. When I was in school (91-95), the grad level classes of the cs department was filled with chinese or people from indian subcontinent - not too many US citizens. My friends in various other universities in EE/CS had the same experience. Now, if you went to the business department, you saw the exact opposit. So, even before all these tech booms US had a shortage of engineers/techies.
Some (but not all) of those Indians "live together like sardine stacked up in apartments" because they send a good portion of their erarnings to their families back home. I am a H1B holder and I do get paid quite handsomely (this is true for all the H1B holders I know).
Then there is another aspect that most slashdotters are ignoring - if you go to cs departments (grad and postgrad) of the US universities, you will find that a good portion of the students are foreigners (specically from China and the Indian subcontient) and sometimes they are the majority. This falls in line with many articles of slashdots where a lot of the posters claimed that University education was unnecessary to have good carrier in IT. The net result is that when a company is looking for a person with a degree in cs, there is not a big pool of US citizens out there.
Lastly, from my own experience, it was never easy to get the right people in the IT field. In last 10 years I had the opportunity to interview many people for sysadmin type jobs. At the height of the tech boom, I saw a lot of resumes of US citizens with all the buzz words. When it came to the interview, they failed miserably (one guy who was asking ~80K and put NFS in his resume could not tell me how to mount a NFS file system). That position eventually got filled by a very talented H1B (an Australian) n with a lot of experience. And, he was paid above the market rate.
Let me finish by giving you another aspect of the job market. I work in the telecom industry and reguarly work with the big telecom companies. It seems that these telecom companies are not willing to pay good money to hire good sys admins to look after their very expensive equipments. Instead, they give the job to some guy who does not even know how to change the unix password from the command line in charge of the Sun F6800 class machines (no these guys are not H1Bs). I have seen it over and over again. If these giant telecom companies are not hiring the right people (H1B or not), how can you blame the H1Bs for not having enough jobs for the US citizens?
v=dx/dt is not a division. That in itself proves that he does not know what he is talking about.
Network Appliance has done it. I believe (from my memory) they keep seven versions of your files. So, you can get back the files you have deleted/modified without going to your tape backup. NetApps demoed this feature and off course the yanking-power-but-not-losing-data feature a while back to my last company (~1996-97). Netware does something that mimicks what you are asking for. It can be set so that when you delete/modify the file, it copies the older/removed version to a hidden directory called deleted.sav. You can use their 'salvage' utility to get them back again.