Now would be a great time to join the celebrations on the #kde channel at irc.kde.org. That is, if you manage to get a connection -- the server seems pretty swamped right now... --
I'm not sure if I missed a bit of context or what, but that comment of Bushs seemed completely uncalled for. If he wants to blame the internet for school shootings he'd better have something to back it up.
Perhaps the anti-Bush movement should start selling t-shirts with "I had my heart turn dark as a result of being on the Internet, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"!;)
I'm not an American, but we always amuse ourselves with references to Al Gore having "invented the internet". Even G. W. Bush uses this against him in debates. I've never heard the real story, though; did Gore really claim to have invented the internet, and what was the context of his saying that?
I also find the following quote mildly amusing:
'In the spirit of the Open Source movement, we have established the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. www.algore2000.com is an "open site".' --
I believe MS Office was the first Office suite to use XML for file formats. This is especially true if you count the alpha/beta period.. Remember KOffice isn't even officially released yet. --
Actually, Linux-Mandrake 7.2 will ship with a pre-Final KDE2, because they need to get their boxes out for the Christmas sales. Each box will include a voucher to have a Mandrake 7.2.1 CD sent to you for free, and this CD is the one that will feature KDE2 Final.
So for anyone looking forward to Mandrake 7.2 -- don't. Wait for 7.2.1, which of course not only will have KDE2-Final, but also the fixes for the usual "gotcha's" that always follow a point release. --
Xi has some interesting things to say about KDE and GNOME:
"(...)it is of concern to us at Xi Graphics that the proliferation of GUIs for Linux is leading the operating system down the same path we took UNUX down back in the '70s and early '80s."
"Let's go with ONE GUI for Linux."
"Anarchy and chaos may be fun, but not here."
"(...)applications written to 'target' a freeware GUI such as Gnome, KDT, Enlightenment, or one of the others floating around out there, likely will not work with the industry standard CDE(...)" (huh, KDT?)
How do they seriously think they'll be accepted as the one true Linux GUI when they pay hundreds on hundreds of idealistic free software developers such major disrespect? I had no idea any serious company could operate in such ways, and live. --
RH7.0 will have the latest stable 2.2 kernel, although it will be "2.4 ready", so you'll be able to upgrade to kernel 2.4 once it's ready (and it won't be ready in a long time).
As for KDE2, no it won't have it. KDE2 isn't even out, even though it's due in early October.
I'm really not sure if Mdk7.2 will ship with 2.4 -- it will have an optional pre-test-kernel, but it certainly won't be default. 7.2 beta2 is already out, so the final version shoudln't be that far away. I think they're basically waiting for KDE2 final. Mdk7.2 will also have new features like a graphical boot process. --
USD20 doesn't seem like an awful lot for an OS upgrade of this kind. Why should Palm Inc give away for free something they've been paying their employees to work on over a long time? It's not like your Palm will stop working if you don't upgrade. --
So they're given Stop Options to stock their ISO files? --
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If anything, the GPL licensing of Qt is an encouragement for "big corporations" to GPL their own Qt based software! Don't say this won't happen, because it will, it has, and it IS happening.
The GPL licensing of Qt will be our guarantee that the KDE desktop will remain free and that we won't end up depending on one or more proprietary, closed-source components, which the LGPL would have permitted. After all, is not free software why most of us became Linux converts?
Do not disregard Trolltechs announcement. Today might be the happiest day of the Linux desktop! Oh, the euphoria! --
>> He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is
>> written to the venerable and venerated GTK+,
>> while KDE is written to the technically
>> excellent but politically reviled QT."
> What's wrong with that? My understanding is
> that C is excellent for operating system but
> that GUI are best done with OO languages... No?
Personally I would agree, but that's not the point. I could have said "Gnome is written to the technically excellent GTK+, while KDE is written to the venerable and venerated QT." It's steering rea-duh-rs into an unfounded belief -- it's his personal opinion presented as a stated fact.
> Ok, I am biased toward KDE but so are you about
> Gnome!
I have to print that out and have it framed!;)
Seriously, I'm a 100% KDE user, just striving to stay clear-sighted in these days of F, U and D... --
I do not like it if they require outside contributors to donate their copyright.
Ok, I see your points, but I can't believe they require copyrights donated (if it's true, you're right about their rights to go proprietary of course). Do you have any more info on this, like URLs or anything? What parts of Gnome does it apply to? --
And you don't think the people who run slashdot are biased against microsoft?
Why of course/. is heavily biased against MS. It has a gross and obvious bias. I never said a bias was a bad thing, just a thing to be aware of. If I want developer info about Windows coding, I *won't* come to/. because if they have any info of the kind, it will be painted in ugly colors of their bias. Using cheap semantics and lies is another ballgame. --
You don't know the first thing about open source or the GPL. There is no way Helix Code could fork Gnome into proprietary non-free versions. I don't know about the copyright assignments, but if it's true, I guess that's bad. The GPL still stands, though.
Now, Nat Friedman said in this interview that Helix will develop closed, for-cost convenience additions to Gnome, like a subscription service of a kind. They have a right to do this, and so have you and everybody else who wish to tempt luck. --
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So he pokes around in a crime scene before the cops get there, and leave some fingerprints. Of course he'll be a suspect.
Of course, whether the FBI should actually be allowed to take his computer stuff (even his books) is a different question.
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I've written down some of my first expressions with Mandrake 7.2.
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Now would be a great time to join the celebrations on the #kde channel at irc.kde.org. That is, if you manage to get a connection -- the server seems pretty swamped right now...
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Two years I've waited for KDE 2.0. And when it's finally released, it happens to be my birthday as well :) Wohooo! :)
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They took the guns out of the simulation. This obviously makes it less real. It's every Americans right to have guns in the house! ;)
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"Deep Thought" was the ultimate super computer from Hitchhiker's Guide, IIRC? :)
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I'm not sure if I missed a bit of context or what, but that comment of Bushs seemed completely uncalled for. If he wants to blame the internet for school shootings he'd better have something to back it up.
;)
Perhaps the anti-Bush movement should start selling t-shirts with "I had my heart turn dark as a result of being on the Internet, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"!
--
I'm not an American, but we always amuse ourselves with references to Al Gore having "invented the internet". Even G. W. Bush uses this against him in debates. I've never heard the real story, though; did Gore really claim to have invented the internet, and what was the context of his saying that?
I also find the following quote mildly amusing: 'In the spirit of the Open Source movement, we have established the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. www.algore2000.com is an "open site".'
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OpenOffice 6.05 takes a good 18 hours to compile on a 500Mhz win32 box, according to openoffice.org. Yikes :)
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I believe MS Office was the first Office suite to use XML for file formats. This is especially true if you count the alpha/beta period.. Remember KOffice isn't even officially released yet.
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Actually, Linux-Mandrake 7.2 will ship with a pre-Final KDE2, because they need to get their boxes out for the Christmas sales. Each box will include a voucher to have a Mandrake 7.2.1 CD sent to you for free, and this CD is the one that will feature KDE2 Final.
So for anyone looking forward to Mandrake 7.2 -- don't. Wait for 7.2.1, which of course not only will have KDE2-Final, but also the fixes for the usual "gotcha's" that always follow a point release.
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I think Dogbert came up with Zero Click Shopping first. Something along the lines of "If you don't click your mouse button, I'll charge you".
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The name is actually XFce, not Xfce ;)
While I can't see why anyone would want to run a CDE clone, I guess the extra choice is good.
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I had to like thrice... what's "Abode"? ;)
Oh, wait a second...
abode (-bd)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of abide.
n.
A dwelling place; a home
The act of abiding; a sojourn.
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- "(...)it is of concern to us at Xi Graphics that the proliferation of GUIs for Linux is leading the operating system down the same path we took UNUX down back in the '70s and early '80s."
- "Let's go with ONE GUI for Linux."
- "Anarchy and chaos may be fun, but not here."
- "(...)applications written to 'target' a freeware GUI such as Gnome, KDT, Enlightenment, or one of the others floating around out there, likely will not work with the industry standard CDE(...)" (huh, KDT?)
How do they seriously think they'll be accepted as the one true Linux GUI when they pay hundreds on hundreds of idealistic free software developers such major disrespect? I had no idea any serious company could operate in such ways, and live.--
RH7.0 will have the latest stable 2.2 kernel, although it will be "2.4 ready", so you'll be able to upgrade to kernel 2.4 once it's ready (and it won't be ready in a long time).
As for KDE2, no it won't have it. KDE2 isn't even out, even though it's due in early October.
I'm really not sure if Mdk7.2 will ship with 2.4 -- it will have an optional pre-test-kernel, but it certainly won't be default. 7.2 beta2 is already out, so the final version shoudln't be that far away. I think they're basically waiting for KDE2 final. Mdk7.2 will also have new features like a graphical boot process.
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Hopefully this story is grossly hysteric. Anyway it should be a wake-up call -- fight the UCITA!
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USD20 doesn't seem like an awful lot for an OS upgrade of this kind. Why should Palm Inc give away for free something they've been paying their employees to work on over a long time? It's not like your Palm will stop working if you don't upgrade.
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Try here.
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So they're given Stop Options to stock their ISO files?
--
If anything, the GPL licensing of Qt is an encouragement for "big corporations" to GPL their own Qt based software! Don't say this won't happen, because it will, it has, and it IS happening.
The GPL licensing of Qt will be our guarantee that the KDE desktop will remain free and that we won't end up depending on one or more proprietary, closed-source components, which the LGPL would have permitted. After all, is not free software why most of us became Linux converts?
Do not disregard Trolltechs announcement. Today might be the happiest day of the Linux desktop! Oh, the euphoria!
--
>> He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is
;)
>> written to the venerable and venerated GTK+,
>> while KDE is written to the technically
>> excellent but politically reviled QT."
> What's wrong with that? My understanding is
> that C is excellent for operating system but
> that GUI are best done with OO languages... No?
Personally I would agree, but that's not the point. I could have said "Gnome is written to the technically excellent GTK+, while KDE is written to the venerable and venerated QT." It's steering rea-duh-rs into an unfounded belief -- it's his personal opinion presented as a stated fact.
> Ok, I am biased toward KDE but so are you about
> Gnome!
I have to print that out and have it framed!
Seriously, I'm a 100% KDE user, just striving to stay clear-sighted in these days of F, U and D...
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Ok, I see your points, but I can't believe they require copyrights donated (if it's true, you're right about their rights to go proprietary of course). Do you have any more info on this, like URLs or anything? What parts of Gnome does it apply to?
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Why of course /. is heavily biased against MS. It has a gross and obvious bias. I never said a bias was a bad thing, just a thing to be aware of. If I want developer info about Windows coding, I *won't* come to /. because if they have any info of the kind, it will be painted in ugly colors of their bias. Using cheap semantics and lies is another ballgame.
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Now, Nat Friedman said in this interview that Helix will develop closed, for-cost convenience additions to Gnome, like a subscription service of a kind. They have a right to do this, and so have you and everybody else who wish to tempt luck.
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