Re:KDE *is* tainted, at least for me.
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KDE Strikes Back
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But *I* choose not to use KDE, specifically because the underlying toolkit is not Free.
If Qt is not free, please explain to me why it's included in the standard Debian distro? And please explain why the "Open Source Initiative" (who coined the phrase "Open Source") lists it's license as an Open Source license?;) --
Dennis E. Powell has written numerous.comments about Linux desktops, KDE most notably. He's always worth a read, and he makes no effort to hide his bias toward KDE.
You should read with a critical eye though. It's *always* suspicious to base major points you have on a source who just happens to be anonymous and untracable. For all we know, this may be a cheap trick Dennis pulls to hide his incompetance when it comes to technical aspects like APIs.
I also question his saying that Gnome was founded with the one goal of killing off KDE. He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is written to the venerable and venerated GTK+, while KDE is written to the technically excellent but politically reviled QT."
He goes on to say "I've tried for years to find out who the king of KDE is, and have concluded that there isn't one." Of course, KDE has a founder and über-developer. Mathias Ettrich is for KDE what Miguel de Icaza is for Gnome, and I've heard him bashing Gnome in interviews lately so I don't see the fairness of that not being mentioned is Denis' article.
I hate to see all this FUD within the Linux camp, when we despise the traditional FUD. I guess with big things like Evolution, Nautilus and the Gnome Foundation going on in the Gnome camp and the long-anticipated release of KDE 2.0 along with KOffice in the KDE camp, this is bound to happen as a result of natural human pride. I hope we can all see through the FUDding and the bashing and just look forward to getting some great software RSN! --
I know the reason *I* became a Linux convert was because I was tired of having commerical entities dictate how *I* should use *my* computer. I don't believe the companies you mentioned (btw, Linux is no company) can or will force any software on anyone. And if it did, I for one would start looking for other OS alternatives... --
Remember back when Gnome 1.0 was released? Articles everywhere informed us that Linux now finally had a graphical interface, an alternative to plain text mode.
I guess the Gnome PR guys don't tell the press this, or put it in their press releases or actually believe they wrote X. Media typically have to over-simplify so that *every* rea-duh-r will have a chance of understanding it. If their simplifications mean inaccurateness or even lies, they prefer that to having readers abandon them because they don't understand the articles.
The bird-perspective consequence of this, should be an overall positive boost for Linux in general. Dozens of articles have been written about Gnome (Foundation/Helix/Eazel) recently. The truth is that when the new wave of "dumb" users enter the Linux world, they WILL remember all the nice things they've heard about Gnome, but they'll probably never realize that they in fact run KDE. Or they just won't care.
And they will not be competant to understand that Gnome *isn't* X, or that there is such a thing as X at all. I guess this is bad news for all the great Xfree86 developers who deserve credit, but all in all, it's good for Linux (if those "dumb" users are really wanted...).
I guess with proven systems like this, it'll be harder than ever to use the age-old argument that Linux doesn't scale to large systems. With this out of the way, it'll be exciting to see what Microsoft et al comes up with next!;) --
You'll see some suspicious dissing of Gnome on that screenshots page. Please understand that this is a statement of Trolltechs, not of KDEs. The KDE guys themselves (on their mailing lists) reacted to the dissing. --
I'm dying to see Internet Explorer on Linux. I'm not a great fan of the program, but being realistic: making webpages in Linux is a hassle because you can only test in so many browsers. Using Windows for web development offers the chance to test your pages in any remotely popular web browser, were as in Linux we have Netscape, Mozilla and a couple of *nix browsers that nobody uses.
Having IE for Linux should also stimulate competitive efforts from both the Mozilla and the Konqueror guys to stay on the leading edge of web browsing.
In any case, I can't see a situation where Microsoft software dominates the Linux desktop. This considering that these days people's prime motives for migrating to Linux seem to be a hate for Microsoft, either technologically or idealogically. I know I couldn't sleep at night knowing I was an IE and Office user on Linux! --
If you don't like GTK+ or Qt, there's always other really good toolkits like FOX. FOX is even cross-platform, has an extremely clean and simple design, is almost as powerful as Qt, and best of all, is LGPL. --
While there's plenty of other front-ends for configuration things, it's always a plus to have them integrated into the desktop environment. Having a consistent GUI design to relate to is not just something newbies appreciate!
It's also cool to see how GNOME and KDE borrows from each other. Not code, but ideas, like the new KDE panel or the splash screen for KDE2. Of course GNOME borrows a lot from KDE as well. This is competition not to succeed commercially, but to get the happiest users -- competition the way it *should* be! --
We've already had Miguel say Unix Sucks. I guess he started a trend which Fred is now continuing. Since trends are such a socializing and destigmatizing thing, I'll join in. Unix sucks and Linux is obsolete. There. --
Give me a browser that comes up in under 10 seconds, doesn't mind getting keyboard input, and doesn't ask me if I want to open my Url in composer or communicator.
You're looking for Konqueror. Comes up in <8 secs, loves keyboard input and has no composer or built-in e-mail:) --
Re:Ugg, massive uncalled for waste of screen space
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KDE 2.0 Beta 3 Is Out
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I've been using KDE2 beta for several days now, and I'm *never* going back. It is a fact that KDE2 uses less screen real-estate than both KDE1 and GNOME. First of all, the widgets are more compact, and don't ask for more space than they require to do their things. Secondly, the panel can be auto-hidden. I've configured it so that it goes away as soon as I move the mouse away from it. Third, any status line and tool bar can be switched off.
Ever tried the new Konsole? Remove all borders, title bar of the WM, the menu bar and the tool bar, and turn on "Full screen". Voila, you're using *every pixel* of the screen, with no crap to distract you.
I've already found several bugs which I have reported, but no real show-stoppers except for some rare crashes of konqueror. This thing is going to do wonders for Linux on the desktop.
Redmond Linux made by an ex-Microsoft employee, aims to make Linux even easier to use than Windows. So why would we need OpenWindows? Redmond Linux already have Beta 1 out.;-) --
Why all the secrecy around the death of Paul McCartney?
Have you retired Elvis Presley yet?
42?
Do all NSA workers have to memorize phrases like "I have no recollection of any such event or happening"?
How far will you go in talking Alan Cox into including the NSA BackDoor in the Linux kernel?
(this is a fact) How the hell did you persuade Norwegian officials into installing your giant Echelon Radar in Vardø, Norway? Do you have any idea how much that radar pisses the Russians off? --
This pisses me off. Thanks to these 31337ers, I now have to go a whole month with no kuro5hin. What's sadder, is that kuro5hin is now getting so much publicity that it'll probably turn into another Slashdot, with firstposters, natalies and penis birds.
On a related note, what's up with Slashdot tonight, it seems slower than ever... Hello, am I reaching? --
Why so many licenses? Now, this custom-written license for ONE specific product, Interbase. Does this imply that Borland is never going to release source under such an open license? Or will they carbon-copy-and-rename the license for every other "IPL" licensed product?
Read this guy. He's apparantly a regular user of pot and LSD, and that's like the most natural thing in the world, but he's trying to cut down on the caffeine... That should be a warning to all you kids out there -- cut the caffeine (not);) --
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If Qt is not free, please explain to me why it's included in the standard Debian distro? And please explain why the "Open Source Initiative" (who coined the phrase "Open Source") lists it's license as an Open Source license? ;)
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Offical binaries of KDE 1.93 aren't ready for all distros yet, but you can still upgrade if you run Mandrake, by using *1-93*.rpm RPMs found here:
v el/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/
ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-de
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Dennis E. Powell has written numerous .comments about Linux desktops, KDE most notably. He's always worth a read, and he makes no effort to hide his bias toward KDE.
You should read with a critical eye though. It's *always* suspicious to base major points you have on a source who just happens to be anonymous and untracable. For all we know, this may be a cheap trick Dennis pulls to hide his incompetance when it comes to technical aspects like APIs.
I also question his saying that Gnome was founded with the one goal of killing off KDE. He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is written to the venerable and venerated GTK+, while KDE is written to the technically excellent but politically reviled QT."
He goes on to say "I've tried for years to find out who the king of KDE is, and have concluded that there isn't one." Of course, KDE has a founder and über-developer. Mathias Ettrich is for KDE what Miguel de Icaza is for Gnome, and I've heard him bashing Gnome in interviews lately so I don't see the fairness of that not being mentioned is Denis' article.
I hate to see all this FUD within the Linux camp, when we despise the traditional FUD. I guess with big things like Evolution, Nautilus and the Gnome Foundation going on in the Gnome camp and the long-anticipated release of KDE 2.0 along with KOffice in the KDE camp, this is bound to happen as a result of natural human pride. I hope we can all see through the FUDding and the bashing and just look forward to getting some great software RSN!
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I know the reason *I* became a Linux convert was because I was tired of having commerical entities dictate how *I* should use *my* computer. I don't believe the companies you mentioned (btw, Linux is no company) can or will force any software on anyone. And if it did, I for one would start looking for other OS alternatives...
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Remember back when Gnome 1.0 was released? Articles everywhere informed us that Linux now finally had a graphical interface, an alternative to plain text mode.
I guess the Gnome PR guys don't tell the press this, or put it in their press releases or actually believe they wrote X. Media typically have to over-simplify so that *every* rea-duh-r will have a chance of understanding it. If their simplifications mean inaccurateness or even lies, they prefer that to having readers abandon them because they don't understand the articles.
The bird-perspective consequence of this, should be an overall positive boost for Linux in general. Dozens of articles have been written about Gnome (Foundation/Helix/Eazel) recently. The truth is that when the new wave of "dumb" users enter the Linux world, they WILL remember all the nice things they've heard about Gnome, but they'll probably never realize that they in fact run KDE. Or they just won't care.
And they will not be competant to understand that Gnome *isn't* X, or that there is such a thing as X at all. I guess this is bad news for all the great Xfree86 developers who deserve credit, but all in all, it's good for Linux (if those "dumb" users are really wanted...).
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I guess with proven systems like this, it'll be harder than ever to use the age-old argument that Linux doesn't scale to large systems. With this out of the way, it'll be exciting to see what Microsoft et al comes up with next! ;)
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1. Qt Designer is not a complete IDE -- it's for designing user interfaces. So I don't see how you mix Kylix into the equation.
2. Kylix is based on Qt. So it's not about selecting between Qt and Kylix.
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You'll see some suspicious dissing of Gnome on that screenshots page. Please understand that this is a statement of Trolltechs, not of KDEs. The KDE guys themselves (on their mailing lists) reacted to the dissing.
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I'm dying to see Internet Explorer on Linux. I'm not a great fan of the program, but being realistic: making webpages in Linux is a hassle because you can only test in so many browsers. Using Windows for web development offers the chance to test your pages in any remotely popular web browser, were as in Linux we have Netscape, Mozilla and a couple of *nix browsers that nobody uses.
Having IE for Linux should also stimulate competitive efforts from both the Mozilla and the Konqueror guys to stay on the leading edge of web browsing.
In any case, I can't see a situation where Microsoft software dominates the Linux desktop. This considering that these days people's prime motives for migrating to Linux seem to be a hate for Microsoft, either technologically or idealogically. I know I couldn't sleep at night knowing I was an IE and Office user on Linux!
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Gnome 1.2 is not Gnome 2.0.
Gnome and KDE are not window managers (although they come with window managers included).
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If you don't like GTK+ or Qt, there's always other really good toolkits like FOX. FOX is even cross-platform, has an extremely clean and simple design, is almost as powerful as Qt, and best of all, is LGPL.
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While there's plenty of other front-ends for configuration things, it's always a plus to have them integrated into the desktop environment. Having a consistent GUI design to relate to is not just something newbies appreciate!
It's also cool to see how GNOME and KDE borrows from each other. Not code, but ideas, like the new KDE panel or the splash screen for KDE2. Of course GNOME borrows a lot from KDE as well. This is competition not to succeed commercially, but to get the happiest users -- competition the way it *should* be!
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How can they manufacture this? Isn't the 486 out of production by far?
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We've already had Miguel say Unix Sucks. I guess he started a trend which Fred is now continuing. Since trends are such a socializing and destigmatizing thing, I'll join in. Unix sucks and Linux is obsolete. There.
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You're looking for Konqueror. Comes up in <8 secs, loves keyboard input and has no composer or built-in e-mail :)
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I've been using KDE2 beta for several days now, and I'm *never* going back. It is a fact that KDE2 uses less screen real-estate than both KDE1 and GNOME. First of all, the widgets are more compact, and don't ask for more space than they require to do their things. Secondly, the panel can be auto-hidden. I've configured it so that it goes away as soon as I move the mouse away from it. Third, any status line and tool bar can be switched off.
;)
Ever tried the new Konsole? Remove all borders, title bar of the WM, the menu bar and the tool bar, and turn on "Full screen". Voila, you're using *every pixel* of the screen, with no crap to distract you.
I've already found several bugs which I have reported, but no real show-stoppers except for some rare crashes of konqueror. This thing is going to do wonders for Linux on the desktop.
(Posted from Konqueror, btw
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Redmond Linux made by an ex-Microsoft employee, aims to make Linux even easier to use than Windows. So why would we need OpenWindows? Redmond Linux already have Beta 1 out. ;-)
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Appeals court grants Napster reprieve
Federal Judge Allows Napster To Continue Music Trading
Court grants stay of Napster injunction
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CmdrTaco finally got the Then/Than controversy right! I hope this is not just a one-time coincidence!
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Is it true that NSA stands for "No Such Agency"?
Why all the secrecy around the death of Paul McCartney?
Have you retired Elvis Presley yet?
42?
Do all NSA workers have to memorize phrases like "I have no recollection of any such event or happening"?
How far will you go in talking Alan Cox into including the NSA BackDoor in the Linux kernel?
(this is a fact) How the hell did you persuade Norwegian officials into installing your giant Echelon Radar in Vardø, Norway? Do you have any idea how much that radar pisses the Russians off?
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Is he? What's your references? Where did you hear it? Just curious!
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This pisses me off. Thanks to these 31337ers, I now have to go a whole month with no kuro5hin. What's sadder, is that kuro5hin is now getting so much publicity that it'll probably turn into another Slashdot, with firstposters, natalies and penis birds.
On a related note, what's up with Slashdot tonight, it seems slower than ever... Hello, am I reaching?
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Why so many licenses? Now, this custom-written license for ONE specific product, Interbase. Does this imply that Borland is never going to release source under such an open license? Or will they carbon-copy-and-rename the license for every other "IPL" licensed product?
;)
Is the IPL approved by the Open Source Initiative?
Methinks all these new licenses are bloating the license namespace
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Beta 3 is out, but there's no binaries yet.
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Read this guy. He's apparantly a regular user of pot and LSD, and that's like the most natural thing in the world, but he's trying to cut down on the caffeine... That should be a warning to all you kids out there -- cut the caffeine (not) ;)
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