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According to the German Heise Newsticker Linux is the top server for .de-domains both in terms of IP addresses and domain names hosted. The survey carried out by the company iKu Netzwerklösungen surveyed all of almost 2.5 million connected .de-domains distributed over 205.540 IP addresses with the port scanner nmap. 44 percent of IP addresses surveyed were hosted by Linux, 30 percent by Windows.
In terms of domain names hosted Linux has an even greater lead, with over 1.1 million domaines. Solaris follows with about 850,000 names, of which 180,000 are hosted on just two Solaris boxes belonging to Germany's biggest webspace provider Strato. Windows follows in 3rd place with just 10%. " Check out the fish if you don't jive deutsch.
Ayn Rand has been bitchslapped. What a wonderful day to be on Slashdot.
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Heck, I keep my plain but interesting-looking watch on not only because I like the way it looks, but because I've had dozens of people come up to me and ask, "Does that thing tell time?"
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You, sir, deserve to bitch-slapped for posting that link!!!
When enough people use a product or service, it instantly becomes lame to use it
Kinda like Slashdot...
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Let's assume all your facts are correct--I have no way of (or interest in) verifying them. Your reasoning is so ridiculous it actually made me laugh out loud:
First of all, high costs forcing a company to save money internally isn't an example of socialism, it's an example of capitalism.
Second, companies switching to a better and cheaper OS is not proof that XYZ doesn't work. It's proof that XYZ does work--something good happened.
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Such as WinNT for "mission critical appliacations"?
Having spent the last three years of my life coding website for the MS platform, that idea leaves me completely baffled...May we live long and die out
Well, it's about the same here in Germany considering desktop OS's.
There is only one computer magazine in Germany that doesn't orgasm when a new flavor of Windows is out. Besides the "c't", which is the magazine belonging to Heise and their News-Ticker", all the others seem to get paid to foam at their mouths about how the newest Windows version is the best thing since sliced bread.
maybe one reason linux does so well in this survey is that puretec (germanys second biggest provider) which hosts about 800.000 domains recently switched to linux.
If it wasn't for the high cost of doing business in Europe due to the Socialist policies.
Of course, I'm referring to the BMW and Mercedes plants that were built in the US to avoid confiscatory German/Socialist policies. When manufacturing jobs are migrating to the US you know something is wrong.
And you're always reading about the inability of German firms to get enough technical IT workers. It's partly due to the IT boom, but also do to the oppressive employment policies of German businesses making full time, direct hire prohibitively expensive. Enter the guest worker, does anyone know if MS is running MCSE boot camps in Turkey? They should.
Thankfully, dubya is leading in the polls in the states, with a Replublican majority in the house they might be able to reverse American's socialist decline.
"A useful comparison might be to compare what the majority of Linux servers are used for compared to Solaris and Windows servers. Are the Linux servers running e-commerce sites? Or are they running the standard Apache home page because httpd was in the default init script?"
"Linux is used by many hobbyists - how many of those boxes where just boxes set up for personal use? I dunno how cheap broadband is in Germany, but it's a possibility."
So then should we discount Microsoft Windows market share on the desktop because most of the home users, after buying their computers, have it collecting dust in the corner somewhere after the novelty wears off?
Translation for us non-english speakers:
.de-domains bot' in terms o' I-P addresses an' domain
.de-domains distributed ova' 205.540
"Some eyeballa' scribbles " Accordin' t' da damn German Heise Newsticka' Linux
be da damn top serva' 4
names hosted. Da survey carried out by da company Iku Netzwerklösungen
surveyed all o' mos' 2.5 million connected
I-P addresses wit' da damn port scanna' nmap. 44 puh'cent o' I-P addresses
surveyed wuz hosted by Linux, 30 puh'cent by Windows. In terms o' domain names
hosted Linux has some even greata' laid, wit' ova' 1.1 million domaines.
Solaris follows wit' about 850,000 names, o' which 180,000 be hosted on plum
deuce Solaris boxes belongin' t' Germany's biggest webspace provida' Strato.
Windows follows in 3rd place wit' plum 10%. " Check out da damn fish if yo' ass
duzn't jive deutsch. Sheeeiit. "
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Yeah, the content is all there, but the design is laughable. For example, the front page has two frames, but the links all open in the full window. This breaks compatibility with non-frames-compliant browsers. Textured backgrounds are so three years ago, too.
The only useful content on that site, like homework and school-specific information, takes a good deal of clicking. A casual visitor to the site wouldn't even know that such resources exist, and that the site is actually useful.
But I'm just bitter, I guess, because my past experiences with the technologically backward staff there. At least the district saved money by hiring a couple of high school kids and paying them in independent study credits for their HTML coding.
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Here I cannot help but imagine decent administration and power conditioning and backups can prevent things such as this...
It's also interest that a full 7% of the domains refused to respond. I'm not an expert here, does anybody know why that would be so high?
I am actually bothered that only 7% have really tight Firewalls.
Actually, it's not. Strato's SUN boxen fall over and lie around on their back shells waving their little arms and legs like turtles every few days. They're not only Germany's largest domain provider, but also the most despised one (despised from those in the know, that is).
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There are enough niche OS's out there to make sure that the true geek never uses a popular, "conformist" OS, and always gets to stand out from the crowd.
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Indeed, corporations are double-taxed... at least in the U.S.
That's one of the disadvantages of incorporating. The corporation pays corporate income taxes, and the employees and shareholders pay individual income taxes. Then the consumers pay taxes on purchases from the corporation.
There are many advantages to incorporating though... making it foolish not to in many cases.
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Like a recent commentator said, sheer volumn of IP associated with PC*nix isn't everything if most all of them are useless vanity pages - how about important industries like this
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
A little from column A and a little from column B
Um... I think that .gov, .mil and .edu are equally "truly American".
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This is a sad day indeed. It seems BSD isn't getting enough German support in web servers.
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One of their comments said it all.
Our of 800,000 Domains on Solaris Machines, 180,000 are one TWO machines!!
Where as the million something are on who knows how many Linux boxen
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what are the stats for american domain names? has anyone dont something similar for american domain names?
I've seen several arragant ignorant "that's wrong" posts correcting "flaws" in the main story, followed by the typical avalanche of corrections explaining how the commentor has it wrong instead.
I don't know the nationality of those involved, but if I were to guess, I'd say the arrogant ignorant ones were Americans. Maybe it's a failing of the schools, or a common misperception that the world follows all of America's "isms."
For the record,
I wish more Americans would learn how they fit into the world, in history and society. It's cultural Ptolemism, and it's embarassing to be an American amongst such examples of ignorance.
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Unfortunately, consumers rarely act as a collective group to get prices lowered to a reasonable level. Most figure that since the economy here in the States is doing reasonably well, who cares if stuff costs a bit more then maybe it should? Seems folks have forgotten the power of boycotting.
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I guess with proven systems like this, it'll be harder than ever to use the age-old argument that Linux doesn't scale to large systems. With this out of the way, it'll be exciting to see what Microsoft et al comes up with next! ;)
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Is this Germany's subnet? Wait a minute, 540 isn't a valid octet. Is that how they got 2.5 million hosts in a class C address space?
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That's right, I guess I didn't. But Slashdot has certified that my opinions are worth their weight in gold, whereas your opinions don't even deserve to be seen unless specifically requested. Shouldn't you be downloading the daily security patch for your excellent people's-choice-because-they-have-no-alternative OS today?
Everyone uses Windows, so it has to be good. Everyone used AT&T and Standard Oil, who provided excellent service for most of their customers but shut out competition. Why don't you let people choose what they want, instead of telling them what they want?
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What if a stat was yelled out in the middle of a forest... and nobody cared?
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
Wow. That is so close to being relevant.
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all of almost 2.5 million connected .de-domains distributed over 205.540 IP addresses
wow! I want an ip in that network! 205.540.1.1 sounds nice...
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
Let me change that to "Linux takeover of SERVER operating systems".
You'll find that the most abundant business desktop OS in Germany is Windows NT in it's various service pack flavours.
No, I don't have any proof besides personal experience.
I'm in Norway, and a friend of mine who is doing projects for the suits said that whenever IT people gets the last word, it's very seldom Windoze. I really have no other clues, I have the impression that suits prefer to use Windoze, but as long as they don't need to interact with Linux, they might not care. I'm trying to kick the suits I know abit, though, like: "you're not using Excel for statistics, are you? You are? Uh-oh, go and read Journal of Computational Statistics and Data Analysis, volume 31, issue 1, 28 July 1999."
Nah, they're often hysterical about being business-like. It's coming, though, however slow. Some argue that Linux should be used in schools. I think that is going more slowly than use in web hosting though.
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Simple things should be simple, complex things should be possible.
I gained a large degree of respect for German programmers, back when I downloaded demos for my Amiga. Certainly a few figured out how everything worked and then did some pretty amazing things. Assuming the same level of enthusiasms graduated to Operating Systems, I'd not be surprised.
Another factor may simply be price. Buy Windows for a premium (prices are considerably higher for pretty much everything in Europe) or dl Linux for free and dig in.
Necessity can be quite a mother...
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I didn't say I would deploy NT for anything mission-critical, just that NT is probably the current "OS of choice" in the industry.
However, it is hard to find (and keep, unless you have lots of cash) good Linux people, so I can understand why many companies are still choosing NT in mission critical situations -- Linux has less 3rd party support than they would like to see, while MSCE's and MS-based consulting firms are plentiful.
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Nice try. What you state is an ideal situation. Companies still set the prices, but through factoring in the market demand/supply, and exclusionary contracts. Mind you, only a small number of companies would be silly enough to set prices without doing some sort of market research, but silliness of companies never fail to am[ua]se me.
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you are counting "windows boxes for home use, which dial up and connect to the internet" as servers?
i would think it's an incredibly reasonable assumption on the part of the people doing the survey to assume that only machines with permanent connections should be counted as servers.
it also doesnt appear to be about numbers of boxes, but about number of sites served from the os. (otherwise solaris would have been last since most solaris sites are being served from 2 boxes)
I cant read the German article either. i'm basing my understanding on the same information yours is based on.
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1 quadrillion = 1E15
Nobody uses that name, though.
Not until the national debt gets up there.
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But... but... but... Fred Moody sez Linux sucks! So how can this be?!?! Could Fred Moody be wrong? Or maybe Germans haven't been reading Fred Moody's columns? I don't understand!
Actually and unfortunately, no. The standard OS for governments is Windows (even 98 in many cases!). This is changing slowly, since they do begin to feel uncomfortable about not having the source of the software that handles all their precious data.
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I think I understand what you mean - that those computers are indeed valid in the context of boxes running x OS based on IP. However, it's not valid considering that we're supposed to assume that they all are servers - I wonder how many are boxes left running so the user can SSH in to gain access to his or her files?
Once you have your statistics, you can draw so many conclusions based on them - the fact that this was posted to what amounts to a Linux advocacy site suggests that Hemos believes that these figures prove something about Linux. (As does the telling the-penguins-wins-the- dept.)
Useful statistics in determining the "best" OS for something might be the OSes that e-commerce sites with 24/7 uptime, sustained for a year, use. But that won't tell anything about which OS is actually "best," it only says that a certain OS is good for the circumstances. I wouldn't run a mission-critical website on Windows. I also wouldn't run it on Linux - I'd use something like OpenVMS (only one that comes to mind right now).
Solaris has its place, Linux does too. These statistics don't really say anything about Linux, other than it's used on boxes that are connected to the Internet long enough to be port-scanned. So what? It doesn't really suggest anything about Linux - other than it's being used in Germany.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
I don't think the ecomomic model is the cause for many people being hostile towards their government - even here in Germany there are many who don't like theirs.
And, I think the question is not whether or not the state should support its people, but to what extent it should do.
But to come back to the topic: Linux is quite widely used in Germany. A main cause for that may be the distributor SuSE who develops one of the major Linux distributions.
And, unlike e.g. FreeBSD (and most other operating systems), Linux is a European product (from Findland), that is also a cause to choose it.
Just my 0.02 Euro.
It's not Heise that's doing those statistics. The statistics were done by iKu Netzwerklösungen. Heise is a computer magazine publisher and they have a /.-like weblog. There's no connection between these companies. Whyever they pinged you, it was not about that Linux statistic.
I know we should celebrate occasions like this one, when the Linux movement makes strides,but what really bothers me is the inevitable "Take THAT Microsoft!" kind of attitude that's
displayed. Are we out to build a better world, or just to tear down Gates?
Either works for me...
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You on the other hand...
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However, a survey like this cannot answer the question that PHB's and corporate Sysadmins everywhere want answered: What are successful companies using for mission-critical appliacations?
At the moment, I don't think anyone can answer that directly, but I would like to see tech magazines survey businesses to see what they are using, and in what capacity. I would suspect that, at least for now, MS has the lead in medium-to-large corporations for mission-critical applications -- but the fact remains there is no data to back this up.
#disclaimer -- I don't like MS, but I believe in every OS having a place.
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Germany? Socialism?
Eeehm, you've got to watch the news sometime. We swallowed East Germany ten years ago. End of socialism. Start of the new government program: "Let's wipe the corporations' arses".
Even the supposedly slightly socialistic Social-Democrats, who are in power now, have dropped their ideals and re-oriented themselves to the "new middle", i.e. ignoring the minorities' lobbys and catering to those with money.
That is 205540. It is the number of IP's, not the subnet.
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I'm sick of /. being full of these gnomes chanting, "Linux is the uber-OS! M$ SUCKS!!!" I run Windows 2000, and I've been contemplating changing my browser string to "MozillaSucks/NT5's bigone."
I remember that I did stumble upon a site with the layout of /. but about Win2k. I'd like to find it again. Because of the lack of intelligence at /. I've been forced to seek alternative newsfeeds (the Onion, for one; the constant GNU-Bickering at /. makes me sad)
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In most countries to the East from Germany, Apache is running on more than 70% of the internet hosts, as ISPs here are somewhat more price-conscious and MS is even less popular than in the West. Though it's much more interesting that non-commercial OSes and web servers are so popular in Germany, where the only possible explanation of this success is the security, manageability and reliability of Linux, not the free code.
Yes, Americans can be ignorant/arrogant, but so can the rest of the world. It's just that Americans, for whatever reason, are currently the world's Political/Economical/Military (and perhaps cultural...scary thought ;) hegemonic power, so American flaws are expsosed to more people and easier to to see.
The Romans faced the same problem when they took over "Graeco-Roman" culture.
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This has already been put into practice in Cambodia. I do not think anyone will try that again.
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Yeah .. but these machines are horrible. They had more than 6 total crashes in this year. Each with a downtime of more than 6 hours !. (one was nearly one day. Imagine! 180.000 Domains gone ! ;)
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(Although that provider states, that there are 1.000.000 Domains on that machine.)
Also they run the web-service for the domains on one, and use the other for e-mail and database. Both are Sun E6500
(I just happen to have a domain right there. It sucks. I should have used the other big one, it uses linux-cluster
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The world isn't america. Microsoft doesn't rule the world, as much as it would like to think it does.
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broadband almost everywhere in europe is darn expensive.
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Companies can set whatever prices they like, but it is the consumers who decide whether they are willing to pay them.
I'm not sure what you mean in the part about exclusionary contracts.
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If the moneyhungry companies didn't take such enormous prices for their products the taxes wouldn't be so high either. The fun thing here is that Linux (considered socialist) is there to help the companies.
1) Companies don't set prices - markets do. High prices - and high profit margins - are signs of inefficiency in the marketplace due to over-regulation or lack of access to information.
2) I don't think of Linux as being socialist - i think it's the free-market's response to Microsoft's grip on the desktop. It certainly is very collectivist, but it all takes place within a context of free and voluntary association, which is very free-market/libertarian.
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You didn't phrase a question. You made a bunch of (quite ridiculous) statements.
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Obscure software makes you l33t because of the uniqueness factor. I've leaned over people's shoulders in computer clusters and asked them, "Wow, how did you get that l33t transparent terminal / window manager / melty clock / ICQ client?" Usually, they'll tell me (aterm, E over remote X, xdaliclock, ICQ for Java). It works the same way for the OS, or even the gadgets you carry around.
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Heck, I keep my plain but interesting-looking watch on not only because I like the way it looks, but because I've had dozens of people come up to me and ask, "Does that thing tell time?" Serves them right for trying to crane their neck around and find the time out from my watch without asking.
When enough people use a product or service, it instantly becomes lame to use it, and l33t to use something more obscure. See: Winamp vs. Sonique; Internet Explorer/Netscape vs. Opera, iCab, and the list goes on; mIRC vs. any other IRC client; Windows vs. Linux (vs. FreeBSD?); and of course AOL vs. any other ISP in existence. You can hype the competition's features all you like, but people usually stick to what they know. Using what people don't know is l33t beyond all comprehension.
Optimistically, I'd say that Linux has a couple more years to go, just as long as Microsoft keeps its appeals process running. Pessimistically, and I hate to side with obvious trolls, Linux still has a ways to go before it overcomes its UI limitations and can truly be fit for the masses.
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Does this not strike anyone as an incredibly inconsiderate thing to do? I can almost see the stream of alerts flying off of IDSs around Germany...
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1 Milliarde = 1E9
1 Billion = 1E12
1 Billiarde = 1E15
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1 billion = 1E9
1 trillion = 1E12
1 ? = 1E15
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Why are you interested in stats on the *.us domains? Wouldn't .com, .net, .org be more interesting?
.us or .ca may indicate that it is located in the US or in Canada. The .com, .net etc TLD's are now truly global. I work for a Canadian company with a .com address, read Swedish newspapers with .com addresses.
No not really. There is no saying where a site is located based on the TLD. A
The internet is truly global and every attempt at pinning down physical location based on simple TLD filters is bound to fail.
They just don't seem to get the "Microsoft, everywhere, all the time" dogma. It's a wonder anything works over there.
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Please, don't take me wrong, I've read this a number of times, mostly from Scandinavian people, but also from people of other nationalities as well, and it puzzles me immensely: are you in Norway or from Norway? I trust the semantic connotations are not too subtle for your comprehension (Scandinavians speaking English a lot better than most Europeans), so I ask of you are they intentional or unthought of? Don you really consider yourself more part of a global grand scheme and just happening to live in Norway? Do you think that notion is widespread around your country? Elsewhere?
I for one, have never seen a good ol' yankee doodle worth his salt claiming he just lives in the US.
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Information wants to be beer, or something like that.
Hello,
I'm the Sysadmin of an e-commerce site runnig Linux. But big $ corporate sites use Slowlaris or even NT here in germany.
Strato is well known for it's crap service, but what would you aspect if you only pay a few bucks for your web-hosting?
And most of their Virtual Servers get no real traffic, cause they are just used by hobbyist....
You're right with your "take these with a grain of salt". The first chanclor of germany after WII said ones:
"I only believe in statistics, when I've manipulatet them myself" Nuf said
Yours
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Ha, another high school kid busy trying to sound informed or knowledgeable on /. Too bad their post don't survive the onslaught of the cluestick.
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You're right of course.
We know how to fix that! We shall not let them stifle innovation.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Hardly any. Who can afford paying a few hundred $ per month for a leased line? Flatrates slowly start to emerge in Germany, at prices (for the complete package) from $30 to $75, per month, analog or ISDN. And these have explicitly non-leased-line contracts, i.e. connection is cut after a certain time and they will get down on you when they notice you are online 24 hours a day.
But if it's prohibitively expensive to have private Linux boxes set up, the figure suggests that Linux boxes are being used more often by companies - but doesn't actually prove it.
Hehe - glad I live on campus, where I can get a 100Mbit ethernet connection which eventually makes it to the Internet over multiple T1 lines. (Eventually, a T3 line will be added... T3 line to be installed by mid-January, 2000! Pushed back from mid-October, 1999. I wonder if they got it in over the summer semester...)
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Not "Holländisch", but "Niederländisch" (Nederlands). Nitpicking, I know, but not all Dutch live in Holland.
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I think I made my point clear in the subject line (that is, if the perl script didn't eat it up like last time.
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6 hours was probably the ammount of time it took to fsck the disk array. Sounds like poor design methodology (no duh, 1,000,000 virtual websites on one box?!) rather than bad platform choice.
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Crack must be real cheap in
Mozilla is sheer bloatware. I can name hundreds of apps that are bloated in some way too. Believe me linux can force you to upgrade almost as fast and as completely as windows can for the same type of apps. Usually this is not seen however. I remember in the linux magazines that having 16Mb of ram with X was sufficient. Well that flew out the window and I now doubt that I could get away with all the new apps with even 48 or 64. Probably close to 128 to get full action out of linux. That's slightly more than double.
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On a somewhat related note, Apache takeover has practically finished in Ghana.
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The number of Linux servers compared to Solaris servers is largely meaningless because a Sparc can handle more of a load than a simple x86. Yes, Linux is available on a Sparc. But why bother? If you're going to get a UltraSparc 10, why get another OS when you can get Solaris 8 supported as part of the package? If you can afford $8000 for the machine, Solaris is a viable and usually more useful option than Linux. (Mostly because you can also get a support contract.)
A useful comparison might be to compare what the majority of Linux servers are used for compared to Solaris and Windows servers. Are the Linux servers running e-commerce sites? Or are they running the standard Apache home page because httpd was in the default init script?
Linux is used by many hobbyists - how many of those boxes where just boxes set up for personal use? I dunno how cheap broadband is in Germany, but it's a possibility.
Like all statistics, take these with a grain of salt - the fact that the cheapest method of serving a web server is the most widely used really doesn't mean anything. I'd expect a survey of college students who run their own web pages to come up with a large collection of Linux, followed by Windows, and then maybe the free-as-in-beer Solaris offerings.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
That's funny. I go portscanning entire domains and my ISP gets mad. they do it and they get a post on ./ .
Not to play devil's advocate, but how accurate are these numbers when you consider that firewalls can easily spoof or block portscan attempts?
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LOL ! That's such an insightful comment. So how long do you reckon before the Linux backlash starts? A year, 2, 3?
My thinking is a year, summer 2001, GNOME inc. in conjunction with AOL have just released E-Z Linux 1.0 (NO MORE COMMAND LINE!, NO MORE CONFUSING USER ACCOUNTS!, BE THE SUPER USER ALL OF THE TIME!)and then as you say all the true hardcore will deny ever using Linux ("Well, I keep a box around, but it's just for the games").
What's it all about eh? I've been wondering about it for a while, why is it that the more obscure the O/S the more l33t you are?
Oh well...
> Check out the fish if you don't jive deutsch. .nl
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I hope that was a typo.. or is that the new math, or is it non-dotted notation?
I think you need to get a new subnet calculator, your numbers do not add up.
completely unrelated:
a permanent internet connection in Germany is so unreasonably expensive (local phone calls are NOT free) that I don't think the cost of the OS will be of major concern to anyone hosting a web-site. The only notable exception I can think of are university students with ethernet in student-accomodation.
Lemmie change that 'started' with 'made a major leap'. Don't want flamed to death :-)
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Unfortunately, consumers rarely act as a collective group to get prices lowered to a reasonable level.
They don't have to act collectively to achieve this. Each person can make up their own mind whether a product or service offers them enough in return for the price, and then buy or not buy accordingly. If most potential customers choose to not buy, the price is too high. The company must then find a way to lower it, or a competitor will come in and undercut them.
I do think boycotting is a good tactic for influencing corporate behavior and policies though, as evidenced by the banner ads on my site.
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You have a point. If there is no reasonable substitute for the product in demand, this forms a monopoly, albeit an artificial one.
Same thing exists in cable TV - where city and state governments grant one company a monopoly on offering cable service in a given geographical area.
As far as pharmaceuticals and patents go, I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand, some patents that get granted are really stupid. On the other hand, I do realize that it sometimes take millions of dollars in research to come up with some of these drugs, and a company has to have some way to recoup their costs.
Lately I've been leaning toward doing away with IP law - I have great hope for new business models like the Street Performer Protocol.
With regards to industries that are absent of any legally-imposed monopolies, I stand by my assertion that consumers set market prices by their willingness or non-willingness to pay for a good or service at a certain price.
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I thought they were sued for bundling IE with Windows?
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Well, if it's anything to go by about AT&T, we have Southwestern Bell here as our local monopoly telco, and they suck rocks. Reminds me of British Telecom around 8 years ago. A bit of CLEC will do them a world of good.
We can credit (or blame) Noah Webster with this, along with "center"/"centre" and "plough"/"plow". He also suggested "tung" and "wimmen", but those didn't catch on. His reasoning was that the old spellings were "artificial and needlessly confusing".
There's a brief history on the Merriam-Webster site.
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If company X has a product that is in large demand, but company X is the only company authorised to sell it (patents, whatnot), then company X can sign an exclusive distribution contract with company Y, fixing the price of the product and such. Happens all the time in pharmaceudicals.
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its plain BORING!
Come on! If socialism, or rather 'democratic socialist-based capitalism' was so damn bad, then why is Europe doing pretty good in general?
and yes, the foundation is still capitalism.
Both systems have their upsides and their downsides, but they both work for their participants...more or less
personally, I don't see the downside to an economic model where the State does support its masses as much as it can do and still not interfere too much with personal integrity to do so.
if the state does not support its people, then what is the point of having one?
Perhaps this is why so many in the USA seem to be so hostile towards their government/state.
Both systems work, however. So cut the crap and get back to the topic: News for nerds. Stuff that matters.
They have to pay taxes. Any company has to pay taxes unless they want to get audited and subsequently levied heavy fines and imprisonment or perhaps loose their charter.
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1) Companies don't set prices - markets do. High prices - and high profit margins - are signs of inefficiency in the marketplace due to over-regulation or lack of access to information.
Could have fooled me. Last time I checked Microsoft was actually sued in federal court because they did just that. Go fig.
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I had a look at that site, and OK it's not that pretty, whizzy, scripted or database driven.
The red menu table thing is kinda unpleasant on the eye.
But, it's fast, clean layout, and has the street address, phone number and principal's name for each of the schools. Content is king.
Ok, let me think. let's say there are 440,000 linux servers with permanent connecitons to the net, and, hmm, let's say 3,000,000 windows boxes for home use, which dial up and connect to the internet. When they connect they get one of 300,000 ip addresses assignned. And let's say there are also 260,000 servers with other stuff on them.
... let's see ... 44% linux, and 30% windows. Clearly there are more linux boxes than windows boxes!!!! :-)
So we end up with:
440,000 IPs Linux
3,000,000 Windows boxes sharing 300,000 IPs
260,000 others.
So we end up with
So all the article proves is that Linux is more common on servers than windows. So, what else is new?
Disclaimer: I don't do German, so I haven't read the article. If I misinterpreted, correct me.
Disclaimer 2: Of course, the above doesn't apply if everybody in Germany has a cable modem or equivalent, I sincerely doubt it, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Why do we keep seeing stories like this? Has Linux advocacy become nothing more than Microsoft bashing? All we keep seeing is stuff about how NT sucks, and how Linux is taking market share. All this is good. But the way it's being expressed here bothers me. There are a group of people who flaunt any little superiority they have over anyone else. Grammar Nazis are a subset of this group, they bring nothing useful to the discussion, but they just want us all to know they are better at expressing themselves, and by implication, a better person(don't flame me for this, you know that's how it comes across, no matter how it was intended, and if you start into me saying I should have addressed intent instead of semantics all you'll get from me is "pot, kettle")
I know we should celebrate occasions like this one, when the Linux movement makes strides, but what really bothers me is the inevitable "Take THAT Microsoft!" kind of attitude that's displayed. Are we out to build a better world, or just to tear down Gates?
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just FYI: This statistic is either quite old or very bad verified. Strato itself has more than 900.000 domains. So this can not be good...
If you think it's even remotely difficult to use a CLI, then perhaps you shouldn't own a computer.
Solaris 8 is free (beer). It even runs on Intel hardware.
I thought it was free only for personal/hobbyist use?
And why would anyone want to run Solaris/i386 over Linux/i386?
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I would imagine this extends to the rest of Western Europe as well, because despite the language differences, the cultures and economies were quite similar. The fact that their economies are doing quite as well will also make them a little less wasteful and linux is an excellent way to do that.
I bet for one, most of the governments over there use Linux because they would rather not give money to some American company. Atleast with linux they can argue there are Germans who have had a hand in making it and they aren't spending money.
It's also interest that a full 7% of the domains refused to respond. I'm not an expert here, does anybody know why that would be so high?
"It's because they're stupid. That's why everybody does everything."- Homer Jay Simpson
The .ca domain has not yet been deregulated like the .com, .net, and .org TLDs have. Therefore, a .ca domain would be a pretty good indicator that the site is in fact based in Canada. Of course, there are exceptions, like www.yahoo.ca
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