You have a point about the thin distros - I forgot about them. But my point really wasn't about the choice of distros. This is a redhat funded initiative, run by redhat employees. Was there really any other choice of distro for OLPC? I don't think so.
However, when they rejected Apple's offer of OSX - without giving it a chance (who knows, maybe Apple does have a stripped down version that'll run in 128M? After all, remember GS/OS which had a Finder implemented for the Apple IIgs that had only 8M of ram.
So - when they rejected Apple's OSX - BECAUSE IT WASN'T OPENSOURCE ENOUGH.
And then they went with Marvel, and so far, the reasons given does not seem to pan out. So, to me, it sounds DAMNED HYPOCRITICAL. Especially the part about not being able to release the source (see 2nd link below) or the part about openbsd wanting source to the firmware (DAMN LIE).
See, most people think of "freedom" as one word. What most people don't seem to be able to grasp is that there are multiple types of freedom. What we have here is the fundamental freedom of the developers, and the fundamental freedom of users.
Since you code for users, I see the freedom of users to be more valuable than the freedom of developers.
Well, you'll be happy to know that what Theo was asking for was for the right to redistribute the firmware blob _AND_ for documentation to interface with the firmware blob (ie, how do I call it to make it work).
He specifically did not ask for firmware source code NOR the rights to the internals of the firmware. He too views the firmware blob as a way to save the cost of a ROM - a EEPROM actually:)
Doh. So, Microsoft creating a platform that lurves rootkits is OK. So, Microsoft shipping win2k with 65000 known issues is OK. So, Microsoft screwing the play anywhere (or whatever they called it) customers with zune is OK. So, Microsoft screwing with the customer by being a monopolist is OK (and still continues to do so).
I mean, WTF? Why is it OK for Microsoft to do that and more (Bill Gates perjury in the fscking court during the monopoly trial, anyone?!? Alchin's perjury?!).
WTF is wrong with blueray? So, HDVD is better?! The fact that almost no one supported HDVD until _AFTER_ Microsoft threw their weight behind it doesn't make you unhappy?
Whatever. I can't believe people are missing the forest for the damned trees.
And which current linux distro is "thin" enough for this device? You _can_ use X11 on OSX, you realize? Oh, you mean, you'll have to do some customization work? Wait, isn't redhat being stripped down for this?
I have worked in large environments that support hundreds of thousands of internal customers (but we don't have _billions_ of external customers). The people running the front end servers _were_ a bunch of know it alls. And they were fucking good. Where possible, they used freebsd. Without *gasp* support contracts.
It was very clear too, the most critical stuff always goes to this group. The not so critical stuff goes to other people. You know, the ones who need support contracts for even simple things like ssh... (can't believe it took 1.5 years to decide between ssh and openssh).
I'm not sure if it actually buys you patches. There was a guy who was tracking all the bugs associated with IE, that's been documented, and there were some from the late 90s.
Microsoft has been notorious about not patching until someone releases exploit code.
Even now, there's a "not an issue" bug in the way it handles PKI - basically, anyone using windows for any kind of encryption is screwed - well, anything that depends on the Microsoft CSP anyway. So? You see Microsoft doing anything about it?
Laf, you think China doesn't have in house experts? The top notch chinese universities do produce some top notch students (who then come to US to places like Stanford, MIT, etc). Some of these do go back.
It's called CLEP. You can take it any time before graduating college, and have it count towards your degree. I took 4 in a day when I decided to do a MBA at the last minute. I was doing civil engineering, and would have had to take some pretty soft classes in business that I already knew. It would have been 2 semesters of econs, finance, management and marketing. So, I CLEP'ed out of these, and started the MBA program with the full strength courses which were more fun.
whereas it was different at my alma mater. Anything above 12 or 15 credit hours was "free" as they had a maximum ceiling they could charge. That's how a senior finished his BS in civil engineering in one year, pulling a 3+ gpa.
I'm always so happy to hear about people choosing careers for other people. How the fsck do you know he is not going to help a company protect its patents that is going to fight cancer, pollution and other things?
YOU too could do research into cancer and other things, if you had spent your time studying.
And I especially like the father to son advice bit. *I* personally did not go to med school because it would have cost my parents 3x of what it cost them. It would have wiped my parents out, and my sisters would not have a chance to go to school.
And don't give me shit about working. I am NOT allowed to work in.us by law since I'm not a citizen. I could work on campus, and I did, to the max of 20 hours. I had to depend on my parents for the out of state tuition and everything else. From a country that had a average income per capita of US$k. My mother worked her fingers to the bone to put 3 kids through school. So, take your damned high horse out and shoot it.
Oh, please. Some classes, I didn't even have to spend time on, like physical education 101. Others, I had to spend more than 3 hours, and still don't get, like those damned steam tables.
However, most people don't seem to realize, for the most part, if you take one of the harder degrees, like engineering or compsci, there's not a lot of electives you can take.
As it is, I finished my Civil Engineering degree in 3.5 years. And if I hadn't found muds, I would have finished it in 2.5 years.
And I was on the all-conference team 3 times while I was on my varsity team, doing a NCAA sport.
And I was doing helpdesk 20 hours a week
And I was always doing things with the International Student association.
And towards the tail end, I was helping out at a chinese restaurant on the weekends.
And I dind't interact enough? Playing marathon with a bunch of guys got me my first job (hey, I recognize you from the lab! 8-))
People here seem to think if you take a lot of classes, you have no life. This is patently untrue. You'll be _tired_, yes, but you can have a life.
In my alma mater, there was also a student who finished his Civil Engineering degree in _ONE_ year. With a 3+ GPA.
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Sure. Look at all your neighbors. Out of 10, how many of them have not left their kids with someone, overnight, or more?
Even I have done so, but it was because we were having our second kid at the hospital.
There are times where it has to be done, and the original poster was an asshole for pissing on the memories of a dead person.
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WTF?! You Americans are the #1 people in leaving your kids with your parents so that you can take off and go somewhere. What makes you think that they didn't leave their kids with some one responsible?
The guy _DIED_ and you people are pissing on him? How classy.
It is not the law that says that corporations are people. It's not even the judges that say that. It's a fscking law clerk who put it down as such, and it became precedent. Bah.
Umm, it won't. It'll have 90% of the market for NEW machines, but the overall market is going to stay the way it is. Those people still using win98 won't upgrade.
You forget however now Microsoft gets to go to the game developers and say "look, we have 2X more consoles than ever before".
And in case you don't think Microsoft believes in piracy, look at that 1999 or so trip that Gates took to China. It was widely reported in the chinese/hongkong papers that he said something along the lines of "if you have to pirate software, pirate microsoft software".
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You have a point about the thin distros - I forgot about them. But my point really wasn't about the choice of distros. This is a redhat funded initiative, run by redhat employees. Was there really any other choice of distro for OLPC? I don't think so.
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However, when they rejected Apple's offer of OSX - without giving it a chance (who knows, maybe Apple does have a stripped down version that'll run in 128M? After all, remember GS/OS which had a Finder implemented for the Apple IIgs that had only 8M of ram.
So - when they rejected Apple's OSX - BECAUSE IT WASN'T OPENSOURCE ENOUGH.
And then they went with Marvel, and so far, the reasons given does not seem to pan out. So, to me, it sounds DAMNED HYPOCRITICAL. Especially the part about not being able to release the source (see 2nd link below) or the part about openbsd wanting source to the firmware (DAMN LIE).
See:
http://www.theos.com/deraadt/jg
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=11
Because most people do not understand the word "PRINCIPLE"
See, most people think of "freedom" as one word. What most people don't seem to be able to grasp is that there are multiple types of freedom. What we have here is the fundamental freedom of the developers, and the fundamental freedom of users.
Since you code for users, I see the freedom of users to be more valuable than the freedom of developers.
Well, you'll be happy to know that what Theo was asking for was for the right to redistribute the firmware blob _AND_ for documentation to interface with the firmware blob (ie, how do I call it to make it work).
:)
He specifically did not ask for firmware source code NOR the rights to the internals of the firmware. He too views the firmware blob as a way to save the cost of a ROM - a EEPROM actually
Doh. So, Microsoft creating a platform that lurves rootkits is OK. So, Microsoft shipping win2k with 65000 known issues is OK. So, Microsoft screwing the play anywhere (or whatever they called it) customers with zune is OK. So, Microsoft screwing with the customer by being a monopolist is OK (and still continues to do so).
I mean, WTF? Why is it OK for Microsoft to do that and more (Bill Gates perjury in the fscking court during the monopoly trial, anyone?!? Alchin's perjury?!).
WTF is wrong with blueray? So, HDVD is better?! The fact that almost no one supported HDVD until _AFTER_ Microsoft threw their weight behind it doesn't make you unhappy?
Whatever. I can't believe people are missing the forest for the damned trees.
And which current linux distro is "thin" enough for this device? You _can_ use X11 on OSX, you realize? Oh, you mean, you'll have to do some customization work? Wait, isn't redhat being stripped down for this?
Bah, I say, bah.
What a bunch of lies. It was OLPC who claimed the opensource banner years ago, when they rejected OSX by saying it was not Open Source enough.
Now, they turn hypocritical when it suits them. Of course they have to reject OSX, after all, wasn't it RedHat that funded it? Bah.
why do people always play dumb? There's 2 freedoms here. The freedom for a programmer, and the freedom for an enduser.
The BSD license caters to the programmer.
The GPL caters to the enduser.
What's so difficult to understand?
I buy a CD, I mean license, for each OpenBSD box I run...
I have worked in large environments that support hundreds of thousands of internal customers (but we don't have _billions_ of external customers). The people running the front end servers _were_ a bunch of know it alls. And they were fucking good. Where possible, they used freebsd. Without *gasp* support contracts.
It was very clear too, the most critical stuff always goes to this group. The not so critical stuff goes to other people. You know, the ones who need support contracts for even simple things like ssh... (can't believe it took 1.5 years to decide between ssh and openssh).
I'm not sure if it actually buys you patches. There was a guy who was tracking all the bugs associated with IE, that's been documented, and there were some from the late 90s.
Microsoft has been notorious about not patching until someone releases exploit code.
Even now, there's a "not an issue" bug in the way it handles PKI - basically, anyone using windows for any kind of encryption is screwed - well, anything that depends on the Microsoft CSP anyway. So? You see Microsoft doing anything about it?
And this is strictly enforced. Theo has actually taken code out that did not have documentation. It was fun to watch.
Then the market share of the xbox will be even less, given the number of people who modded it to become a linux box or for watching downloaded movies.
Laf, you think China doesn't have in house experts? The top notch chinese universities do produce some top notch students (who then come to US to places like Stanford, MIT, etc). Some of these do go back.
It's called CLEP. You can take it any time before graduating college, and have it count towards your degree. I took 4 in a day when I decided to do a MBA at the last minute. I was doing civil engineering, and would have had to take some pretty soft classes in business that I already knew. It would have been 2 semesters of econs, finance, management and marketing. So, I CLEP'ed out of these, and started the MBA program with the full strength courses which were more fun.
whereas it was different at my alma mater. Anything above 12 or 15 credit hours was "free" as they had a maximum ceiling they could charge. That's how a senior finished his BS in civil engineering in one year, pulling a 3+ gpa.
still no go.
the club prior to him must have 4 people minimum. When he joined, there's 5. Doubling it makes it 10. Your everyday fencepost problem.
I'm always so happy to hear about people choosing careers for other people. How the fsck do you know he is not going to help a company protect its patents that is going to fight cancer, pollution and other things?
.us by law since I'm not a citizen. I could work on campus, and I did, to the max of 20 hours. I had to depend on my parents for the out of state tuition and everything else. From a country that had a average income per capita of US$k. My mother worked her fingers to the bone to put 3 kids through school. So, take your damned high horse out and shoot it.
YOU too could do research into cancer and other things, if you had spent your time studying.
And I especially like the father to son advice bit. *I* personally did not go to med school because it would have cost my parents 3x of what it cost them. It would have wiped my parents out, and my sisters would not have a chance to go to school.
And don't give me shit about working. I am NOT allowed to work in
Oh, please. Some classes, I didn't even have to spend time on, like physical education 101. Others, I had to spend more than 3 hours, and still don't get, like those damned steam tables.
However, most people don't seem to realize, for the most part, if you take one of the harder degrees, like engineering or compsci, there's not a lot of electives you can take.
As it is, I finished my Civil Engineering degree in 3.5 years. And if I hadn't found muds, I would have finished it in 2.5 years.
And I was on the all-conference team 3 times while I was on my varsity team, doing a NCAA sport.
And I was doing helpdesk 20 hours a week
And I was always doing things with the International Student association.
And towards the tail end, I was helping out at a chinese restaurant on the weekends.
And I dind't interact enough? Playing marathon with a bunch of guys got me my first job (hey, I recognize you from the lab! 8-))
People here seem to think if you take a lot of classes, you have no life. This is patently untrue. You'll be _tired_, yes, but you can have a life.
In my alma mater, there was also a student who finished his Civil Engineering degree in _ONE_ year. With a 3+ GPA.
Sure. Look at all your neighbors. Out of 10, how many of them have not left their kids with someone, overnight, or more?
Even I have done so, but it was because we were having our second kid at the hospital.
There are times where it has to be done, and the original poster was an asshole for pissing on the memories of a dead person.
WTF?! You Americans are the #1 people in leaving your kids with your parents so that you can take off and go somewhere. What makes you think that they didn't leave their kids with some one responsible?
The guy _DIED_ and you people are pissing on him? How classy.
It is not the law that says that corporations are people. It's not even the judges that say that. It's a fscking law clerk who put it down as such, and it became precedent. Bah.
The parent is in no way a troll. Please mod up.
Umm, it won't. It'll have 90% of the market for NEW machines, but the overall market is going to stay the way it is. Those people still using win98 won't upgrade.
You forget however now Microsoft gets to go to the game developers and say "look, we have 2X more consoles than ever before".
And in case you don't think Microsoft believes in piracy, look at that 1999 or so trip that Gates took to China. It was widely reported in the chinese/hongkong papers that he said something along the lines of "if you have to pirate software, pirate microsoft software".