I see that once again, people who consider themselves experts in one field have decided that their opinion is expert in another.
Let's put one thing straight, if you have ever met a child with Aspenrger's Sydnrome, it is not mild, it not something that has been defined as abnormal simply because the rest of 'society' doesnt get it.
It is in the DSM IV (of psychiatry) because it is a devastating neurobiological syndrome for a kid to have. Please dont fucking compare it to Dyslexia. You insult those with Asperger's and those with Dyslexia.
Actually, "AC" is I find it hard to believe that opensource is over since this website seems to be running on it.
2. I think opensource is actually getting better and safer to use as commercial projects take more and more liberties to our rights. I think that is this a good fight to be in, and nothing you have said makes sense.
3. the betamax analogy fails with regard to linux (but might be applicable between the linux vs freebsd camp) in that opensource isnt itselt a commercial product. The rules dont apply as they stand now. That may change, it might be outlawed but that is not playing by the freemarket rules which you seem to embrace.
I think this issue might acutally bring OpenSource to the forefront in an unexpected way.
So far, we see commercial ventures quickly bowing in, without any forced legislation, but I dont thnk OpenSource, esp FreeBSD (and its variants) or Linux quickly bowing in to ignoring FBI attempts to log our private communications (even if they involve "...no, your the stinky butt)
What i can see happening is the OpenSource being used to very openly define what eavesdropping can be and can't be enforced.
Anyway, thanks for listening.
btw, this will make me even more leary of using commercial, closed, software, and be even more inclined to use opensource software
One more comment,
I noticed immediately that eveyone on these posts started thinking of who and how else to host the opensource projects but not one person talked about the costs and their willingness to put their money where there mouth is.
I am not going to say it is unfortunate that this about money. I work in the medical field and I not going to say that making money off of treating people is wrong because I have see what happens when you get healthcare for free.
I think that we are seeing a serious progression from the idea of "free" as in "free beer, just keep tapping the never-ending keg" and move more to the idea of OpenSource. The Source and How it works is there and you can, with enough motivation, change it.
I've already read one post that likened like a very expensive gift to the OpenSource community, and expensive means money. And When I mean money and mean YOUR money, and MY money is what it is going to take. (I plan donating money to openprojects.org as soon as they start taking donations again).
I think that VA really did spend an enormouse amount of money on this community and while we shouldnt necessarily start paying them for it, we should really realize that this philosophy will require real sacrifice (YOUR MONEY) and I believe that will be a Good Thing. As we get older, a lot of us will start making money and be able to meaninfully contribute and support a cause that we are proud of, and I think that is really neat.
anyway, Sorry for rambling and thank you for reading
I dont know if you know this, but the I remember the 'BAR' made a new resolution that if a lawyer knows his 'client' is actively breaking the law that he needs to report him. It seems that there seems to be a shift from the wildly permissive atitude of a lawyer-client privacy to a more balanced view, but if this CNN report is true, then who isnt safe from being 'listened' in on, without any due process.
It seems the this could the be the start of the canary and the mine idea.
It would seem most logical that if these biodetectors have enormous costs then the real decision is not whether to use them but where to use them.
If we had controlled ports on entry, that would be one place but proabaly not very wise given how open the US really is.
The other idea is first install them in major hospitals or have a roving CDC action team that would have these biodetectors (which they probably all ready have).
From the article, there main concern seemed to be cost, but in the light of certain events I think big business may see the benefits do out wiegh the costs
I am utterly surprised that the rest opensource is liscensed like this?
Of course, if someone pays to keep it closed i geuss that is ok and you make a sensible choice in choosing the "closed" software versus having a piece that is completely open ala RMS.
Anyway, what o people think that people if given the choice can be sensible in choosing between liscenses?
Im not sure what you mean by lack of development of window managers, but have you looked at KDE
and how it is advancing much faster than anything else out there?
Acutally, I dont believe the reasons he states. It's quite clear from the pap that was episode one that the one thing this man is not is busy.
Oh I'm sure he's busy in the sense of tbeing busy in making as much money as he can, but from the crap he added to the original episodes to the drivel that was episode one, He is not busy with anything to do with the acutall making of star wars.
Take a good look at episode and see that it was pure drivel from someone who never gave a thought to what made star wars "Star Wars."
All this crap about how he's cleaning this and remastering that is fine, but I doubt he himself is doing any of it. As for being busy doing epsidoes 2 and 3, again doubtful since it appears he doesnt do any directing (even when he claims a director's credit)
I recently installed progrny linux and let me tell you, if I had this distribution last year, I would have been hooked on debian linux that much quicker. The install is smooth and nice, and it makes a perfect introfuction to the newbie who want to learn linux.
Anyway, I was in the libraries and surprised that they had some linux books. But I noticed that most of the CD's were missing. So Recently, whenever I find a book on programming or on linux I'll burn some ISO and put them in the Back of the Books. The librarians I've talked to acutally understand what I am doing and are fot it.
So, if you can burn CD, I would recommend Linux Progeny as the newbie Distribution of choice and put it into as many libraries as you can.
Actually, lets hope that VA does make money selling this "closed source" version which I really doubt will be closed as in source,
but more so, it will probably just not be open as in anyone can get into it.
Let's think about:
1. One of the main costs of software development is Development!
2. Sourceforge.net has been a model of code development and they have seen all the bugs, be their hardware or wetware, that anyone is likely to see.
3. Let them use the skill they have in running, maintaining, whaever,...that it takes to keep sourceforge running and apply it clients who are developing code
4. As business go to to more and more te,mo hired work, I cant thinki of a better way for companies that develop software, whether for inhouse or for outhouse[sorry:) ] then use the tools that the opensource community has helped develop.
In short, it makes all the sense in the wolrd to use the open source lessons learned and apply it to ther other endeavors, esp the important matter of making money.
While its true that it costs a lot of money to make medicines that save people, I think part of the blame should be laid at teh feet of the drug makers themselves. Getting rich off of sick people who have no other choice strikes me as patently offensive.
Yes, its true that they have intellectual property rights but its also true that you are dealing with deparate people and governments. In an Ayn Rand view, we coudl let all those people die, and make sure that the next generation is educated and will not need the hand outs, but that is simply too black and white a view.
I am reminded of the argument that if you have a loaf of bread and then men next to you has nothing and he has children to feed, you can argue all you want, but he is going to go after your bread.
The point (sorry for rambling) is that perhaps its time that this sort of research for the public (unless we want to say that drug research is not for the public, but only for those that have money to pay) should go back to the university where IP will no longer apply (look at the fiasco that Wisconsin is generating but claiming that anything that someome else makes fromt their stem cells wil have to be ok's by the Wisconsin department).
I thinkk that as healthcare becomes more and more a public commodity (it never really was until very recently) that we will have to start treating it as such. Just as you can not own the water and deny it to the thirsty, I'm afraid to say that the same thing is happening to medicine and to drug research in particular.
In all honestly, I do hope the HP does well selling these $3,000 linux boxes. Not because of that its in there, but service/skill it took to actually took to configure the box right.
(I assum of course that the box does what it says it does)
Just like the thought that musicians will give their the music away (via the internet) but charge for real live preformances, the new economy (excuse me) may well be based very much on what the acutally person can do and what can not be replicated digitally. Ie, Doctors don't charge for the information they have and tell you, they charge for the skill in which they apply it to you. That is, all the information about treating asthma is in books, but I doubt ou would want to read the man page asthma and just treat yourself, but you pay the doctor to apply his skill to treat you.
Thus HP is charging for the skill it takes to make more-secure internet boxes and perhaps, in this age, $3000 is a good start and in the future that skill may be worth even more.
I don't understand why people have to pointout when slashdot didnt get a story first.
I understand its good to see more sources of information but to think it is a bad to post something that has been posted elsewhere is short-sighted.
Most people, including me, come to slashdot first and dont look everywhere else, so its a good thing that slashdot posts a lot of things that matter, even if its not the first one to do so.
Actually, I think that, given they have releases it under GNU, that whatever their motives, be they good or bad, we must see what is the case and that is We are now able to look at the UNIX code!
I read it recently and it just makesyou stand in awe and wonder at what these guys actually did, and what We, as users, acutally have staring us right in the face
Slashdot Mirror
You have to hand to Carmack to be a real good guy.
Sure he cant show you everything he's doing right now,
but by releasing, under GPL, the source code,
I think he letting people really learn how a true master
programs.
This is just a Good Thing
Oh my.
I see that once again, people who consider themselves experts in one field have decided that their opinion is expert in another.
Let's put one thing straight, if you have ever met a child with Aspenrger's Sydnrome, it is not mild, it not something that has been defined as abnormal simply because the rest of 'society' doesnt get it.
It is in the DSM IV (of psychiatry) because it is a devastating neurobiological syndrome for a kid to have. Please dont fucking compare it to Dyslexia. You insult those with Asperger's and those with Dyslexia.
Anyway, please look it up, look at
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/
Actually, "AC" is I find it hard to believe that opensource is over since this website seems to be running on it.
2. I think opensource is actually getting better and safer to use as commercial projects take more and more liberties to our rights. I think that is this a good fight to be in, and nothing you have said makes sense.
3. the betamax analogy fails with regard to linux (but might be applicable between the linux vs freebsd camp) in that opensource isnt itselt a commercial product. The rules dont apply as they stand now. That may change, it might be outlawed but that is not playing by the freemarket rules which you seem to embrace.
4. This is a waste of my time to reply to an 'AC'
I think this issue might acutally bring OpenSource to the forefront in an unexpected way.
So far, we see commercial ventures quickly bowing in, without any forced legislation, but I dont thnk OpenSource, esp FreeBSD (and its variants) or Linux quickly bowing in to ignoring FBI attempts to log our private communications (even if they involve "...no, your the stinky butt)
What i can see happening is the OpenSource being used to very openly define what eavesdropping can be and can't be enforced.
Anyway, thanks for listening.
btw, this will make me even more leary of using commercial, closed, software, and be even more inclined to use opensource software
One more comment,
I noticed immediately that eveyone on these posts started thinking of who and how else to host the opensource projects but not one person talked about the costs and their willingness to put their money where there mouth is.
again, tahnks for reading
I am not going to say it is unfortunate that this about money. I work in the medical field and I not going to say that making money off of treating people is wrong because I have see what happens when you get healthcare for free.
I think that we are seeing a serious progression from the idea of "free" as in "free beer, just keep tapping the never-ending keg" and move more to the idea of OpenSource. The Source and How it works is there and you can, with enough motivation, change it.
I've already read one post that likened like a very expensive gift to the OpenSource community, and expensive means money. And When I mean money and mean YOUR money, and MY money is what it is going to take. (I plan donating money to openprojects.org as soon as they start taking donations again).
I think that VA really did spend an enormouse amount of money on this community and while we shouldnt necessarily start paying them for it, we should really realize that this philosophy will require real sacrifice (YOUR MONEY) and I believe that will be a Good Thing. As we get older, a lot of us will start making money and be able to meaninfully contribute and support a cause that we are proud of, and I think that is really neat.
anyway, Sorry for rambling and thank you for reading
I dont know if you know this, but the I remember the 'BAR' made a new resolution that if a lawyer knows his 'client' is actively breaking the law that he needs to report him. It seems that there seems to be a shift from the wildly permissive atitude of a lawyer-client privacy to a more balanced view, but if this CNN report is true, then who isnt safe from being 'listened' in on, without any due process.
It seems the this could the be the start of the canary and the mine idea.
It would seem most logical that if these biodetectors have enormous costs then the real decision is not whether to use them but where to use them.
If we had controlled ports on entry, that would be one place but proabaly not very wise given how open the US really is.
The other idea is first install them in major hospitals or have a roving CDC action team that would have these biodetectors (which they probably all ready have).
From the article, there main concern seemed to be cost, but in the light of certain events I think big business may see the benefits do out wiegh the costs
Thanks for reading
What license it is using to be dual?
But what a great way to go?
I am utterly surprised that the rest opensource is liscensed like this?
Of course, if someone pays to keep it closed i geuss that is ok and you make a sensible choice in choosing the "closed" software versus having a piece that is completely open ala RMS.
Anyway, what o people think that people if given the choice can be sensible in choosing between liscenses?
I would have moderated you as an ass, coward
Im not sure what you mean by lack of development of window managers, but have you looked at KDE
and how it is advancing much faster than anything else out there?
thanks for reading
Acutally, I dont believe the reasons he states. It's quite clear from the pap that was episode one that the one thing this man is not is busy.
Oh I'm sure he's busy in the sense of tbeing busy in making as much money as he can, but from the crap he added to the original episodes to the drivel that was episode one, He is not busy with anything to do with the acutall making of star wars.
Take a good look at episode and see that it was pure drivel from someone who never gave a thought to what made star wars "Star Wars."
All this crap about how he's cleaning this and remastering that is fine, but I doubt he himself is doing any of it. As for being busy doing epsidoes 2 and 3, again doubtful since it appears he doesnt do any directing (even when he claims a director's credit)
In short, Lucad is not busy.
This question has been bugging me for a bit,
as I can think of no real reasonn why the
first Star Wars episodes arent out on DVD?
What reason can there be for delaying them?
I am sure it has something to do with money,
but just how long does lucas think he will wait?
Thanks for reading
Like it says, please post you inital impression, tought, views, beliefs on the test.
THank you very much!
Did anyone find the secret room?
John Romero in Leather!
Yes, that's true. It could be confusing.
But I write my email address on each CD i burn and let them know they can email me if they have questions
Anyway, I was in the libraries and surprised that they had some linux books. But I noticed that most of the CD's were missing. So Recently, whenever I find a book on programming or on linux I'll burn some ISO and put them in the Back of the Books. The librarians I've talked to acutally understand what I am doing and are fot it.
So, if you can burn CD, I would recommend Linux Progeny as the newbie Distribution of choice and put it into as many libraries as you can.
Anyway thanks for reading
Actually, lets hope that VA does make money selling this "closed source" version which I really doubt will be closed as in source,
:) ] then use the tools that the opensource community has helped develop.
but more so, it will probably just not be open as in anyone can get into it.
Let's think about:
1. One of the main costs of software development is Development!
2. Sourceforge.net has been a model of code development and they have seen all the bugs, be their hardware or wetware, that anyone is likely to see.
3. Let them use the skill they have in running, maintaining, whaever,...that it takes to keep sourceforge running and apply it clients who are developing code
4. As business go to to more and more te,mo hired work, I cant thinki of a better way for companies that develop software, whether for inhouse or for outhouse[sorry
In short, it makes all the sense in the wolrd to use the open source lessons learned and apply it to ther other endeavors, esp the important matter of making money.
Anyway, thanks
While its true that it costs a lot of money to make medicines that save people, I think part of the blame should be laid at teh feet of the drug makers themselves. Getting rich off of sick people who have no other choice strikes me as patently offensive.
Yes, its true that they have intellectual property rights but its also true that you are dealing with deparate people and governments. In an Ayn Rand view, we coudl let all those people die, and make sure that the next generation is educated and will not need the hand outs, but that is simply too black and white a view.
I am reminded of the argument that if you have a loaf of bread and then men next to you has nothing and he has children to feed, you can argue all you want, but he is going to go after your bread.
The point (sorry for rambling) is that perhaps its time that this sort of research for the public (unless we want to say that drug research is not for the public, but only for those that have money to pay) should go back to the university where IP will no longer apply (look at the fiasco that Wisconsin is generating but claiming that anything that someome else makes fromt their stem cells wil have to be ok's by the Wisconsin department).
I thinkk that as healthcare becomes more and more a public commodity (it never really was until very recently) that we will have to start treating it as such. Just as you can not own the water and deny it to the thirsty, I'm afraid to say that the same thing is happening to medicine and to drug research in particular.
Anyway, thanks for reading
In all honestly, I do hope the HP does well selling these $3,000 linux boxes. Not because of that its in there, but service/skill it took to actually took to configure the box right.
(I assum of course that the box does what it says it does)
Just like the thought that musicians will give their the music away (via the internet) but charge for real live preformances, the new economy (excuse me) may well be based very much on what the acutally person can do and what can not be replicated digitally. Ie, Doctors don't charge for the information they have and tell you, they charge for the skill in which they apply it to you. That is, all the information about treating asthma is in books, but I doubt ou would want to read the man page asthma and just treat yourself, but you pay the doctor to apply his skill to treat you.
Thus HP is charging for the skill it takes to make more-secure internet boxes and perhaps, in this age, $3000 is a good start and in the future that skill may be worth even more.
Anyway, thanks
I don't understand why people have to pointout when slashdot didnt get a story first.
I understand its good to see more sources of information but to think it is a bad to post something that has been posted elsewhere is short-sighted.
Most people, including me, come to slashdot first and dont look everywhere else, so its a good thing that slashdot posts a lot of things that matter, even if its not the first one to do so.
Actually, I think that, given they have releases it under GNU, that whatever their motives, be they good or bad, we must see what is the case and that is We are now able to look at the UNIX code!
I think if anyobdy really wants to get a history of the GUI they shoudl first turn to the book
Dealers of Lightning : Xerox Parc and the Dawn of the Computer Age -- by Michael Hiltzik; Paperback
I read it recently and it just makesyou stand in awe and wonder at what these guys actually did, and what We, as users, acutally have staring us right in the face