Of course they know they are being tracked. Hell I am surprised that Disney doesnt make sell this as a Value Added Feature. Not only will they get a momento of where/what/when they did something, but perhaps the rides people will be going on, can do something for the special beaer of the doll, like say "WElcome to Space mountain!"
Hell, I this may be evil, but then anyone who buys this doll and spends that day there is in the land of evil to begin with.
Can this be correct. Debian turns out to he fastest?
Anyway, I like the idea of gentoo, and I saw I a lot of Debian users head over to gentoo because the idea of controlling everything including the build was nice, however, I saw the gentoo idea also pretty much die, since a log of these users are power desktop users and not everyone could wait 3 days for X to build.
What I like about debians packages is that if you do make a mistake you can always pretty much correct the package by fixing your souce list or goingt o packages.debian.org and getting the older working package and installing it manuaall with a simple dpkg -i old_package.deb.
In gentoo, you had to rbuild to the whole thing, whihc with x coud take forever. And so what I saw gentoo suddenly doing was having a lot of pre-complied binaries start being provided by gentoo because they saw the problem with building taking forever, and so it kind of killed the whole idea of building for yerself, in which case, if you are going to stick with built pacakged why not have them maintained by some of the best developers around (ie debian)
The othjer thing I noticed is that a lot of developers of software acutally use debian. I've noticed many a time that some cool software wa being made and the developers wouls provide source and they would provide a debian package and nothting else. Ie Debian appears to be the preferred developer's distro. In this I would like to hear discussion,.
It will be what the market will bare. ie, if a real systems administrator can be had for 20 thou a year, then systems administrator can expect to make 20 thou/52 weeks/5 days/8 dollars per hours.
The real question is how much need is there for rel system administrator: I ask this because I can be called a systems adminitrator for raintree IT.
I keep the web servers and mail servers running. They run without fail. these servers collect in accounts maybe 20K a year at most (its a nonprofit) so how much am I worth? am I worth it all since without me there would be no servers and hence no accounts or can someone else be had for much much cheaper. Will there only be perhaps a few hundred real administrator (ie handling tens to hundred of servers) and how much is that worth?
The question really comes down to how many other people can do what You can do? If a trained monkey can do it, expect to make as much as a trained monkey (see McDonalds)
I think the point of college has to be more than "to make a buck" BUT not every one is lucky enough to be able (ie rich parents) to think like that.
What seems to be going on is that as college's keep getting more and more expensive the idea that college is there to educate jsut seems to get more and more laughable.
I can see both sides. I went to college, and now am currently makeing twice (at least) what the poster above is making AND I also got very lucky in that I did earn (not recieve) a good education. however right now that good education just lets me seen the how very uneducated most every else is, BUT that for another discussion
Message: 16 Subject: Re: Bitkeeper From: Alan Cox To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: Larry McVoy , Richard Stallman,
Linux Kernel Mailing List Organization: Date: 18 Jul 2003 23:16:57 +0100
On Gwe, 2003-07-18 at 22:54, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > Now what's this about the "simply irrelevant"?
"in most of the world"
If everyone spent the time replacing bitkeeper instead of beating up Larry they'd get a lot further. I appreciate beating up Larry is more fun but....
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While we are all waiting for the inevitable MS vs Linux Showdown, perhaps it has occurred much faster than we all expected or were prepared for.
The SCO IBM drama? Perhaps its not just conspiracy thinking that MS is indeed using SCO to destroy linux, which is it pretty much has to. I think that the idea that different OS will live in peace is no longer panning out as more and more of business goes electronic, they need *ONE* system that works. MS of late has actually been working quite hard, my XP has crashed only one in the past 6 months (rahter a program lock up) that also can happen in linux. Perhaps MS realizes that if linux keeps getting better, they will lose of the money issue and so need to take linux out as quickly as possible. I myself think the SCO IBM issue is just the tip of the ice burg.
But I cant figure out where the BIg Bomb will drop from? Does anyone have any ideas?
is this what XP programming was all about. Get the code running, use the principal that 20% of the code does 80% of the work, Get it running, release often, and *DONT* too much time for the future stuff that you dont need?
I dont think people really understand how powerfull this scripting language is and how useful it is becoming in real world applications. Perhaps talking about a real world implementation and how ti can quickly change and scale would probably a lot of people's eyes.
Could you describe what you mean by good times? I always associated with free sushi but have no real idea what SF must have been like in the hey days of the dot.com.boom!
1. I would like hear if this the debian developer's point of view. I have often heard it said by other debian users that debian isnt for the end user. I would someone who actaully develops for debian make thsi clear
huge overkill, but you need it to dual processors. instead of spending int money on expensive software spend it on having the books t run it.
instead of oracle use mysql for email use qmail + vpopmail http://www.mung.net/~dude/howto/Qmail-vp op-qmailad min.html tis tell you how to set up a email server with challenges set to new emails to cut down on spam (if you read the qmail faq, the author mentions that he wants to optimize the qmail server, as on a 486 with 16mb ram, it could 'only' handle 10,000 email a day ! for builing websites go with zope for the websrver: apache of course, i dont see you spending more than maybe 1K-1.5K the rest the information to run it
This is not the first time that india has been cited as an outside force. I've recently heard that there is a redmond,india. Does anyone know about this? What exactly, if anyone here knows, is going on in india. This is not exactly cookie cutter automaking (or maybe it is) but what has suddenly made india appear to be a power house for software that even microsoft has noticed?
It argued that even a full replacement would be in part based on the prior effort, and thus would itself be derivative, at least under the terms of the IBM contract.
Wow! SCO is going to try to corner everyone! If you build unix, if you build on linux, since someone else thought of the core stuff, then anything you think of from now on is SCO's Oh my I had no idea they were this crazy?
This is all nice and all but what about challenge/response. I dont see a much better model than this and it is relatively easy to implement Here is a link for more info
http://tmda.net/faq.cgi?req=show&file=faq01.001. ht p
Actually, Im glad that Justice is not about fairness. The last thing I want is to be ruled by laws via the "that's not fair" principle. I would not like to hand over my entire paycheck to someone else, becuase its not fair that I can work hard, earn money and someone else can't.
The legal systems main preoccupation is with property. Justice originally was about the proper distribution of property and its protection. Only latter when non-property owners had access to the courts did the notion of fairness come about.
And speaking of fair and just, corporations should not be exempt of requiring to be fair or just, just because there's more money in being rat bastards
You've jsut given me a perfect example of what I am talking about. The Courts DONT GIVE A FSCK if they are being Rat bastards! They care about property rights.
Also the "That's Bullshit" arguments is the "That's Not Fair!" cry.
These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention.
I know which side I'm on, and I know everyone is pretty sure they know what side they are on, but I cant help getting the feeling that Linux side is relying way to much on the Fair principle and forgetting that it is quite difference from Justice in the legal systems.
What I am trying to say is that Justice does not equal Fairness. Ie It may not be Fair what SCO is trying to pull, but the legal courts are also concerned with what is Just and in this we are talking money and if the legal courts are about anything, they are about money. Making sure there are legal grounds to protect property (money).
Thus, What I see is the linux community simply yelling,"That's not Fair!" while SCO continues to pound away. How many of us had the "Life-isnt-always-Fair" revelation?
reproducible? Are you saying results cant be reproduced on computer? Im sure you are not saying that, please explain.
Proper control groups? hmmm, are you thinking something like a placebo group? perhaps, but what I am thinking of is testing one algorithm against another, or using the say, a standard algorthm for sort (say, bubble sort) and being able to compare to another sort process and get empirical evidence (ie speed) of which one is better.
I would say you have total control of the control group in your testing. again please explain as I think I missed our point, but am interested in what you trying to say.
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I think this is a neat way to look at the situation, Im sure "they" are working on outsourcing you job to india.
What kind of network has to be hands on to ensure that it cant be moved overseas?
Of course they know they are being tracked. Hell I am surprised that Disney doesnt make sell this as a Value Added Feature. Not only will they get a momento of where/what/when they did something, but
perhaps the rides people will be going on, can do something for the special beaer of the doll, like say "WElcome to Space mountain!"
Hell, I this may be evil, but then anyone who buys this doll and spends that day there is in the land of evil to begin with.
8 hours? 10 hours?
Are the advantages that great?
I am very curious again
Thanks
Sorry, My post is more confusing than mis-leading. :)
I had two things to say:
1. relevant to the topic: Has gentoo become just another distro in that it provides lots of binaries thus ignorning its advantage
2. Not releavatnt to topic; is debian the developer's distro of choice?
G
Can this be correct. Debian turns out to he fastest?
Anyway, I like the idea of gentoo, and I saw I a lot of Debian users head over to gentoo because the idea of controlling everything including the build was nice, however, I saw the gentoo idea also pretty much die, since a log of these users are power desktop users and not everyone could wait 3 days for X to build.
What I like about debians packages is that if you do make a mistake you can always pretty much correct the package by fixing your souce list or goingt o packages.debian.org and getting the older working package and installing it manuaall with a simple dpkg -i old_package.deb.
In gentoo, you had to rbuild to the whole thing, whihc with x coud take forever. And so what I saw gentoo suddenly doing was having a lot of pre-complied binaries start being provided by gentoo because they saw the problem with building taking forever, and so it kind of killed the whole idea of building for yerself, in which case, if you are going to stick with built pacakged why not have them maintained by some of the best developers around (ie debian)
The othjer thing I noticed is that a lot of developers of software acutally use debian. I've noticed many a time that some cool software wa being made and the developers wouls provide source and they would provide a debian package and nothting else. Ie Debian appears to be the preferred developer's distro. In this I would like to hear discussion,.
Thansk all
It will be what the market will bare. ie, if a real systems administrator can be had for 20 thou a year, then systems administrator can expect to make 20 thou/52 weeks/5 days/8 dollars per hours.
The real question is how much need is there for rel system administrator: I ask this because I can be called a systems adminitrator for raintree IT.
I keep the web servers and mail servers running.
They run without fail. these servers collect in accounts maybe 20K a year at most (its a nonprofit)
so how much am I worth? am I worth it all since without me there would be no servers and hence no accounts or can someone else be had for much much cheaper. Will there only be perhaps a few hundred real administrator (ie handling tens to hundred of servers) and how much is that worth?
The question really comes down to how many other people can do what You can do?
If a trained monkey can do it, expect to make as much as a trained monkey (see McDonalds)
QED
does anyone know why the synatics mousepad in most laptops does not work in 2.6?
Thanks all!
100$ an hour?
ok, but how many hours are you now getting?
I think the point of college has to be more than "to make a buck" BUT not every one is lucky enough to be able (ie rich parents) to think like that.
What seems to be going on is that as college's keep getting more and more expensive the idea that college is there to educate jsut seems to get more and more laughable.
I can see both sides. I went to college, and now am currently makeing twice (at least) what the poster above is making AND I also got very lucky in that I did earn (not recieve) a good education. however right now that good education just lets me seen the how very uneducated most every else is, BUT that for another discussion
Thanks for reading
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Message: 16
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper
From: Alan Cox
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Larry McVoy , Richard Stallman
Linux Kernel Mailing List
Organization:
Date: 18 Jul 2003 23:16:57 +0100
On Gwe, 2003-07-18 at 22:54, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> Now what's this about the "simply irrelevant"?
"in most of the world"
If everyone spent the time replacing bitkeeper instead of beating up
Larry they'd get a lot further. I appreciate beating up Larry is more
fun but....
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with a Big Cannon aimed right at it.
While we are all waiting for the inevitable MS vs Linux Showdown, perhaps it has occurred much faster than we all expected or were prepared for.
The SCO IBM drama? Perhaps its not just conspiracy thinking that MS is indeed using SCO to destroy linux, which is it pretty much has to. I think that the idea that different OS will live in peace is no longer panning out as more and more of business goes electronic, they need *ONE* system that works. MS of late has actually been working quite hard, my XP has crashed only one in the past 6 months (rahter a program lock up) that also can happen in linux. Perhaps MS realizes that if linux keeps getting better, they will lose of the money issue and so need to take linux out as quickly as possible. I myself think the SCO IBM issue is just the tip of the ice burg.
But I cant figure out where the BIg Bomb will drop from? Does anyone have any ideas?
is this what XP programming was all about.
Get the code running, use the principal that 20% of the code does 80% of the work,
Get it running, release often, and *DONT* too much time for the future stuff that you dont need?
I dont think people really understand how powerfull this scripting language is and how useful it is becoming in real world applications. Perhaps talking about a real world implementation and how ti can quickly change and scale would probably a lot of people's eyes.
I got debian stable on mine. Come on Big BOYZ!
We will be glad to help you out. Contact mailto:dude@networkninjas.com
or ian and we can help you set this up
G
Could you describe what you mean by good times?
I always associated with free sushi but have no real idea what SF must have been like in the hey days of the dot.com.boom!
1. I would like hear if this the debian developer's point of view. I have often heard it said by other debian users that debian isnt for the end user. I would someone who actaully develops for debian make thsi clear
2. Who are the influential people?
Thanks!
huge overkill, but you need it to dual processors.
p op-qmailad min.html
instead of spending int money on expensive software spend it on having the books t run it.
instead of oracle use mysql
for email use qmail + vpopmail
http://www.mung.net/~dude/howto/Qmail-v
tis tell you how to set up a email server with challenges set to new emails to cut down on spam
(if you read the qmail faq, the author mentions that he wants to optimize the qmail server, as on a 486 with 16mb ram, it could 'only' handle 10,000 email a day !
for builing websites go with zope
for the websrver: apache of course,
i dont see you spending more than maybe 1K-1.5K
the rest the information to run it
hope this helps
This is not the first time that india has been cited as an outside force. I've recently heard that there is a redmond,india.
Does anyone know about this?
What exactly, if anyone here knows, is going on in india.
This is not exactly cookie cutter automaking (or maybe it is) but what has suddenly made india appear to be a power house for software that even microsoft has noticed?
Wow!
SCO is going to try to corner everyone!
If you build unix, if you build on linux,
since someone else thought of the core stuff, then anything you think of from now on is SCO's
Oh my I had no idea they were this crazy?
This is all nice and all but what about challenge/response.
. ht p
I dont see a much better model than this
and it is relatively easy to implement
Here is a link for more info
http://tmda.net/faq.cgi?req=show&file=faq01.001
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oh, wait, this is really true
Actually, Im glad that Justice is not about fairness. The last thing I want is to be ruled by laws via the "that's not fair" principle. I would not like to hand over my entire paycheck to someone else, becuase its not fair that I can work hard, earn money and someone else can't.
The legal systems main preoccupation is with property. Justice originally was about the proper distribution of property and its protection. Only latter when non-property owners had access to the courts did the notion of fairness come about.
You've jsut given me a perfect example of what I am talking about. The Courts DONT GIVE A FSCK if they are being Rat bastards! They care about property rights.
Also the "That's Bullshit" arguments is the "That's Not Fair!" cry.
Again, thanks for your reply
These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention.
,"That's not Fair!" while SCO continues to pound away. How many of us had the "Life-isnt-always-Fair" revelation?
I know which side I'm on, and I know everyone is pretty sure they know what side they are on, but I cant help getting the feeling that Linux side is relying way to much on the Fair principle and forgetting that it is quite difference from Justice in the legal systems.
What I am trying to say is that
Justice does not equal Fairness.
Ie It may not be Fair what SCO is trying to pull, but the legal courts are also concerned with what is Just and in this we are talking money and if the legal courts are about anything, they are about money. Making sure there are legal grounds to protect property (money).
Thus, What I see is the linux community simply yelling
Is the Linux community about to get the same?
reproducible? Are you saying results cant be reproduced on computer? Im sure you are not saying that, please explain.
Proper control groups? hmmm, are you thinking something like a placebo group? perhaps, but what I am thinking of is testing one algorithm against another, or using the say, a standard algorthm for sort (say, bubble sort) and being able to compare to another sort process and get empirical evidence (ie speed) of which one is better.
I would say you have total control of the control group in your testing. again please explain as I think I missed our point, but am interested in what you trying to say.
G