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New Testing Version Of Linux 2.6
James A. A. Joyce writes "It's all up now at the kernel archives. Get the full 2.6.0-test2 or a patch, whichever suits you. We need to test those new kernels! Hop to it!"
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/me watches the bandwith-o-meter explode
Of course, I've still got bits stuck between my teeth from the last release. Should have remembered to type 'make toothpick'.
You are not the customer.
That has to be one of the worst spiel's ever.
Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.
t y/patches/Module/
0 .3/0793.html
1 .3/1267.html
4 .1/0832.html
3 610918825614&w=2
3 553654329827&w=2
3 498293902006&w=2
In-kernel Module Loader and Unified parameter support: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rus
Nanosecond Time Patch: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/021
Fbdev Rewrite: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/011
Linux Trace Trollkit (LTT): http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/020
statfs64: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=10
POSIX Timer API: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=10
Shared Pagetable support: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=10
Hotplug CPU Removal Support and Kernel Probes
Bethanie: Whore...
Fan Whore
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/Change Log-2.6.0-test2
But is it SCO free?
Sincerly Mcbride CEO of SCO
http://saveie6.com/
I use an Apple iBook2 as my primary desktop, with an x86 for a server/renderer. Is PowerPC/Sparc/etc support focused on early or late in the development cycle? Should I expect the file I'm downloading to compile, or collapse?
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
This is announced at the same time we have a poll asking the number of times the OS on your main computer crashes. If this IS "from the crashy-crashy" dept. then I'd have to say this is an interesting coincidence. Or is it?
I am also running it on my Vaio U-101 (a Pentium 4 600 sub-laptop that fits in a fanny-pack).
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Somebody just submitted a patch!!!! Go download it from the bitkeeper NOW!!!!
I love Linux but hate most of the bloated distro's. However I would love to see how real time and fast this new kernel is. Also I heard you do not have to do a "make modules" when compiling.
Anyway back to my long instant-workstation ports installation.
http://saveie6.com/
I can't find one on kernel.org, would anybody mind telling me what they fixed between -test1 and -test2?
Is this all we can do? Is this Slashdot, or what...
Get your own free personal location tracker
This was fixed in 2.4.18, correct? Was this fix foward-ported to the development kernel so that I can safely boot without using mem=nopentium and have no fear of my X locking?
Thank You
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105 932590109238&w=2
And you're fired.
As we do not get access to many news site in China, I very happy to read this story on here.
Upgrading kernel is important for stability of system to run our university and other system.. so I will now instruct technical people to upgrade kernels on mission critical machine straight away!
Will using 2.6 be a big improvement over our existing 2.5 boxes? Also is upgrading to PHP 5 beta a worth while idea?
-- Dr. Fu Ling-Yu, Internal Technology Consult; Tongji University, People Republic of China.
I wonder if the ACL haters will have a foxhole conversion.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Nope, they're said that they're never going to support that, because people shouldn't be plugging cameras into webservers.
Get your own free personal location tracker
Its not a kernel issue as it already supports USB. You'd have to have a service(daemon) running that would scan the USB ports on your computer for any changes and then have it load a program to download the pictures off your computer.
In linux libertas
You really can't have it both ways. Although a real-time OS gives the impression of being fast because of the low latency of the system, in fact it is quite a bit slower than non-real-time systems because the scheduler comes into play many more times than normal. It is possible to make an OS so real time that the system simply doesn't have any time to process any system calls because it is too busy pre-empting itself via the over-active scheduler.
Since Linux isn't (and never will be) a real-time OS at the Linus-level releases, this isn't a problem. However, it has been the experience of quite a few companies who tried RT-Linux that their systems mysteriously crashed. It turns out that the Linux kernel just isn't prepared to have the scheduling thread pumped up as high as the companies wanted. Of course, they could have simply raised the latency, but then they wouldn't have been any better than WinCE for latency.
It's too bad that Linus isn't interested in hardening the kernel for real-time. But then again, that was never really his stated purpose and there are many other kernels out there that are real-time and do a great job at it.
Who needs real-time on network servers anyway?
I wonder how many more lawsuit claims will come from this release..
I'd love to test this but it won't boot for me as I have some kind of drive manager on my 60GB DeskStar drive. My partitions don't show up. Support for drive managers eg OnTrack has been removed in 2.6. Does anyone know how to remove this from a drive non-destructively ?
I have 2.4.21 installed right now, what branch is 2.6.0 based on?
:-)
I'll wait for 2.4.22
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
It'd be nice if that daemon could be something integrated into the OS so that the USB camera could be seen as an external hard drive and used as such. You know, like how Windows and Mac do it.
I just built and booted it on my Sun Ultra 60. CONFIG_PREEMPT seems broken on SPARC64, but after I removed a redefined symbol in ffb_drv.c, everything else seems to work.
/dev/sunmouse::BusMouse to /dev/psaux::PS/2 in XF86Config, but the middle mouse button doesn't work now. Gonna figure out that later when I get a chance.
One interesting note is that the sun/type5 keymap/keyboard settings for the console/XF86Config don't work anymore. Had to revert to the kernel keymap for the console, and xfree86/pc101 for X11. Also had to change
I use Linux for a very multipurpose server... SNAT, pppoe, tokenring+ethernet+atm+arcnet+slip, apache+php+perl, postgresql, Nvidia and hordes of other stuff I cant think of now. The test1 crashed for me as I was configuring the networking portions.
For setups like me, I couldnt test Linux beta versions. The server is really not mission-critical but I believe 2.6 will keep crashing for me till version say 2.6.15 or something. I'll be trying to add my contributions to the community but not at such an alpha stage.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
I'm sure that Windows and Mac OS X run USB Camera detection as a service. I doubt that the functionality is in their kernels. They're just setup in a way that makes the whole process transparent. You could setup linux to do exactly the same thing, I'm sure that this will be (or already is) a feature in Lycoris, Lindows etc...
In linux libertas
Hell, I dont even understand your answer. You really expect this to be a mainstream OS?
It's actually that the USB host driver supports "external hard drive" as a device type. It isn't anything more sophisticated than that.
But I guess implementing that would be too much for Linux developers. But hey, you've still got 30-odd filesystems and window managers to choose from!
It worked under a completely unpatched Debian Woody DVD-R install, so I would say yes. I had some problem with VT support, but I think that was a configuration issue with the kernel rather than a dependancy problem.
You could use modutils and, say, gphoto2 along with a script to do it for you.
Since there's likely a specific USB driver, just insert a post-install line (post-install drivername command ) and when you plug it in, the module handler will start things going for you.
Since you're the one writing the script (which doesn't really have to be more than a gphoto command telling it where to put the pictures), you can make it as robust as you like... for instance, set up a file with camera ID to username mappings, and drop stuff in ~user/.photos-incoming or something.
If it's a camera that Linux sees as USB storage, the same thing pretty much holds, but you'll have to just run cp and put them where you'd like... no need to compile gphoto.
To bring this back on topic, I can't wait to check out 2.6, but I'm still in the middle of configuring test1. ;-(
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
"Remove support for The SCO Group lawsuit"
"Emit mocking laughter when incoming TCP profile matches SCO UNIX"
"Increment World Domination progress meter when incoming TCP profile matches Linux"
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
You're *exactly* the type of person who will make the best tester, precisely because it *will* crash for you. It's the tiny bugs that only show up under bizarre/rare combinations of features and usage that can be the most pesky.
Now, I'm not saying you should run a non-stable version on your server, but what about setting up a spare machine simply to replicate what's being done on your server?
Not only will it help out kernel development, it will also mean that you will get a stable kernel for your server sooner.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
There is a hotplugging script for stuff like that, its how I've seen a lot of distros autodetect during install, Knoppix and Gentoo being an example. If you have Gentoo, its I think
emerge hotplug
The only thing you need is Support for hotplugging in the kernel.
You were saying?
-Restil
Play with my webcams and lights here
This is me while i fight the Linux kernel.
[This post was made at 13 May 2006]
If you did plug a usb camera into a web server you might get to actually see the spaced out google eyed Martians that are really the reason why the Linux kernel works so well.
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
How to configure support for Virtual Terminals?
Using an install straight from the Debian Woody DVD-R, it can compile, boot and get to X. However there is absolutely no output from "loading kernel...", to the start of X, and cntl-alt-f1 gets be to an unchanged screen, not a login prompt. I know that VT support is not enabled by default (why?), but enabling VT and console on VT does not make any difference. Same thing happens with Mandrake 9.1.
Are compile errors for default configuration OK?
I thought I may have accidentally removed something required for VT support. So I made a completely default install, i.e. "make config" and hold down enter for all questions. However, this would not even compile on gcc 3.95.4 from Debian Woody. Are drivers that don't even compile enabled by default, or is the statement in the docs that any gcc 3.95.x where x>3 will be ok, out of date?
Would getting the .config file from a working install of 2.6-test help?
If so do you have a link?
Why does make modules_install complain about missing dependencies?
Why doesn't it just make the dependencies? What are we meant to do about this?
Also, is NTFS write support ready for end-user testing in non-mission critical situations?
Does anyone know if there is anything diffrent w/ xfs or raid in 2.6? I tried out 2.6 beta 1 with my striping raid which is all xfs(just software raid on hpt370 card)...When I booted into 2.6 my keyboard didn't work, so i booted back into 2.4.20 and my raid was absolutely insane(no files showing up), so I rebooted once more into 2.4 and it fixed itself...Anyone have any idea why that would happen, can I expect better behavior with 2.6 beta 2?
That's hardly nothing compared to Enlightenment desktop shell project's bandwidth usage since it changed it's look now! For those of you interested in it, check it out here!.
..you actually let out an a reverbing "Aaaah" when you read this kind of headline.
I didn't.
So OK, I did. But I was already running 2.6.0-test1-mm2 with the O9 scheduler patches.
I just finished compiling and rebooted into 2.6.0-test1-bk3 and then went to check kernel.org to see if the 2.4.xx tree had changed to 22 stable and voila there it is -test2 and I was REALLY mad! :)
But I've compiled -test2 now and I hope it works -test1 did
Microsoft kiss my ass. Linux wasn't designed to beat you but it will mwuahhaha.
Grab kernel 2.6.0-test2 via Bittorrent here
Meaning only 5% of us actually use Linux.
The scheduler in 2.6 is still having some problems with interactive programs; XMMS skips frequently when switching desktops or running a CPU intensive program in the background. Ingo Molnar put together a patch which seems to fix this nicely, I highly recommend patching the kernel before using it if you're running linux on the desktop. the patch is available at http://people.redhat.com/mingo/O(1)-scheduler/sche d-2.6.0-test1-G6
with a link on /. to perens.com it won't be serving for much longer :)
good to hear fellows checking out the bold and for-all-good-purposes "experimental" kernels in real situations.
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
Ok, so kernel.org wasn't affected much..
I'm taking this torrent down due to lack of downloading.
If you want to try out the new 2.6 kernel, I'd suggest you do it with User Mode Linux. You can load it up on your PC without having to change the host kernel and play around with all the cool 2.6 features.
Note: use the UML patch from the author, Jeff Dike, vs. what is in the kernel.org source which is old and crufty. Jeff's patches are much more up to date and more widely used.
BTW: if anyone out there wants to try out their hosting on a 2.6 kernel (just to see how it goes, or as part of a 2.6 testing program), then I'm making a 2.6 kernel option available on my UML hosted Virtual Private Servers.
But I do to. And you. And the next person here. And so on. So does Bill Gates. Only problem is that Bill never learned to share.
I've tried three of these, 2.5.74, 2.6.0-test1 and -test2. Every time I boot up the kernel (bzImage from arch/i386/boot) it says "Uncompressing linux... OK " and that's it. Nothing else. I would really love to get this to work out, especially the native ALSA support (my sound card works great under ALSA, not so great under OSS). I'm wondering if perhaps some of the stuff I've compiled in is inhibiting the boot process.
I have IDE support compiled right in, my CPU is set up correctly (x86/Pentium-II), I'm not using anything fancy like initrd et al, I have ACPI and APM enabled, nss what else I can mention.
Installed module-init-tools and converted over my old profile (just had two aliases for my network cards), depmod runs w/o any problems (I remembered to pass in the symbols for the new kernel).... argh.
This is not a kernel issue, it is a userspace issue. The kernel already supports USB devices, and has for a long time (although USB is much improved in 2.6). The program gphoto supports over 100 different digital cameras. I use it with my Canon S30. I can just plug the camera into a USB port, launch the program, and view the thumbnails/exif data from whatever is on the camera. Piece of cake. (mmmm..)
Hi, did anybody try to compile the uml version of the kernel? I can not do it, I get a funny error: root@trabi linux-2.6.0-test2 # make linux ARCH=um make[1]: `arch/um/sys-i386/util/mk_sc' is up to date. CC arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.o In file included from include/asm/thread_info.h:13, from include/linux/thread_info.h:21, from include/linux/spinlock.h:12, from include/linux/capability.h:45, from include/linux/sched.h:7, from arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c:1: include/asm/processor.h:66: `CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT' undeclared here (not in a function) include/asm/processor.h:66: requested alignment is not a constant arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c: In function `main': arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c:13: structure has no member named `regs' make[1]: *** [arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.o] Error 1 make: *** [arch/um/util] Error 2 Does somebody have a clue what I do wrong? I thought, the uml version is an achitecture like x86, so the X86 stuff would not be needed. Uwe
I'm not trying to start a flamewar, just referring to this:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > If you are trying to copy BK, give it up. We'll simply follow in the
> > footsteps of every other company faced with this sort of thing and change
> > the protocol every 6 months. Since you would be chasing us you can never
> > catch up. If you managed to stay close then we'd put digital signatures
> > into the protocol to prevent your clone from interoperating with BK.
http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/19/175/
Never try anything new on your production machines.
Have a test server configured exactly (or as close as you can get) like your production server.
Always test new software on the test machine before putting it on the production machine.
This is important whether you're running Linux or Windows or whatever. Even when you're testing new versions or updates of apache or PHP or perl or postgresql or whatever.
Running untested (by you) code on production servers is guaranteed to bite you eventually.
Just save yourself the lost time and headaches and get a test box.
Your time and data are worth far more than the cost on a test box.
James A.A. Joyce. I should have been keeping closer track I guess, but I was still trying to do 2.6.0-test1 with the -mm2 and the -int7 patches. Thx for the info, I'll get back to you on it!
FWIW, I read the kernel ML daily and I can say that the kernel team strongly desires end user feedback in the form of commentary and bug reports (not flames!)
They're looking for all the possible "oddball" cases (AKA "corner cases") and also for extreme loads such as huge files/filesystems, throughput, mem and net bandwidth, fs integrity, etc.
Regular users should participate; Linus has said that his focus is still on desktop usability and responsiveness. Anyone else who is interested should make sure to enable the -preempt option as well -- amazing performance!
Damn... now I need to try -test2.
C|N>K
It's been ages since I last compiled a kernel (2.4.18 when it was 'hot off the press'), and I don't remember all the steps. (I always manage to get them in the wrong order.) Furthermore, the compiling instructions are apparently different for 2.6?
Searching on Google -- even with the "2.6" or "2.5" -- yields some instructions on 1.0 series kernels that trail on for pages and pages. Can someone post a verbose summary of how to build the kernel under 2.6? (I know the basics, of course. Just the make commands and such.) I doubt I'm the only one who would benefit.
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suwain_2
If your VTs are missing (and chances are pretty good that, if you can get into X, you can't start an xterm) you likely forgot to mount the devpts filesystem.
/dev/pts` and see if that resolves it; if so, add the appropriate entry to your fstab.
Try `mount -t devpts devpts
Some versions would print:
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Is there a reason they don't use bittorrent?
You'd think this would be the exact kind of thing that would benefit from a bittorrent addition. The bittorrent files could be generated automatically. And moreover, they're targetting the one demographic (people who would actually install the 2.6 prerelease test kernels) who would be willing to download an entire program just to download a 30 MB file quicker.
I tried running xosview, but it hung. gdb shows:
/usr/bin/xosview
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/libstdc++ .so.5 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/libstdc++ .so.5 /lib/libc.so.6
bdonlan@bd-home-comp bdonlan $ gdb `which xosview`
GNU gdb 5.3
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-linux-gnu"...(no debugging symbols found)...
(gdb) run
Starting program:
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
[time passes...]
^C
Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt.
0x4017af39 in std::basic_istream >& std::operator>> >(std::basic_istream >&, char*) () from
(gdb) bt
#0 0x4017af39 in std::basic_istream >& std::operator>> >(std::basic_istream >&, char*) () from
#1 0x0805d6fb in strcpy ()
#2 0x0805d195 in strcpy ()
#3 0x080561d4 in strcpy ()
#4 0x08054949 in strcpy ()
#5 0x08055a9a in strcpy ()
#6 0x402217a7 in __libc_start_main () from
top shows it comsuming a lot of cpu time while it's hung.
Does anyone know how to fix the rpm stuff in RH9. When I try to double click in kde, I just some cpu usage and then nothing. It would seem I get this error message in messages
/var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Resource temporarily unavailable (11)
error: db4 error(11) from dbenv->open: Resource temporarily unavailable
no packages
rpmdb: unable to join the environment
- use enun instead of tons of #defines
Does the eNun have to take a vow or is it just pretend like Sister Act?(Score: -1, Poster is a Dumbass)
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
when/where to gfind a .deb - patched version - I'm not going to corrupt my dependencies...
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
For the type of neophyte consumer who might have considered an iMac, where can you buy a GNU/Linux computer other than Walmart already set up for the home user?...
you know you want to.
Anybody know of any neat new features?
That's what the web stats always said BEFORE slashdot went corporate.
It's quite embarassing that ONLY 5% of your user base, ON A PRO-LINUX SITE, uses Linux.
What it shows is, that Slashdot is a site where loosers TALK about Linux, not actually use it.
As one last note, the 5% statistic is the Worldwide average of Linux users is.
USB mass storage is supported since late 2.2, as is the interesting "hotplug" interface.
Plug in the camera, and it appears as a SCSI disk. If you have autofs turned on, it should "just work".
With modern Gnome and KDE, it's as easy as plugging it in and double-clicking an icon that appears on your desktop.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I think they unified a lot of the keyboard driving code and they may have attempted to remap type 5/6 keys into the USB scancode HID equivalents to make it easier for configuring X, etc.
(someone might want to correct me)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
does anyone know why the synatics mousepad in most laptops does not work in 2.6?
Thanks all!
Sigs are dangerous coy things
Pro-Linux site? I thought this was the anti-M$ one. Oh wait, this is just the fake bait site for trolls and M$ shills.... Nevermind. ;-)
Larry McVoy (the BitKeeper guy), you must admit, is in between a rock and a hard place. He's an honest guy trying to make a buck and keep it. But these days it's hard to market software to one of the earliest, really really big GPL'd projects. He is definitely marketing to the wrong crowd, specifically a crowd containing many Free software zealots.
Alan Cox refuses to use Bitkeeper, FWIW. But I kind of feel sorry for Larry...
Use windows update; /. article. Then eat your heart out.
then watch as some app gets broken or your computer slows down to shit, and worst of all YOU CANNOT REMOVE YOUR shit ass windows update without a re-install. What Windows junkies do not know is that us poor stupid linux users can use more than one kernel config, we can tweak installs, reconfig stuff and customise to our hearts content, 2.6 is no different it just gives users the ability to try it out and find the bugs real fast. Keep watching how many get squashed with just this
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
Sounds like another silly anon coward that replaced the kernel rather than doing the sensible thing and keeping the old 2.4 config as well. It is the first release it is going to take time. Read all documentation an the changes before config, and always back up your old kernel. The first law of Linux. This aint windows you have a choice! Oh sorry you could do that with XP, well sort of,
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
Anyone had success with 2.6.0-test* and LVM2-stable ? LVM2 allways bombs out with some strange compilation errors :(
Yeah, how dare they use the best tool for the job!
How is McVoy "screwing people over"? He lets them freely use Bitkeeper. Some people then assume that that gives them the right to bitch and moan all the time about it and try to copy it's functionality. It seems to be that McVoy has done everything he could do to accomodate the needs of the Kernel-hackers (BK==>CVS-gateway etc.), yet some people keep on whining.
If BK is so bad, why don't you get up on your fat ass and write a better replacement?
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
So, whats new in this release, and is it worth it to recompile my whole system?
Ewwww, how mac-ish. Isn't there some other way to have something like that show up? I like a clean desktop, except for the programs that hide it.
-]Phreak Out[-
We need to test those new kernels! Hop to it!
Why is this relationship always about you.
I am also running it on my Vaio U-101 (a Pentium 4 600 sub-laptop that fits in a fanny-pack).
Guys please, I know what fanny means in America but here in the commonwealth lands it means something *very* different.
filed bug report almost 3 months ago, was still broken in -test1.
The ChangeLog says that the b44 driver has been reworked and should work now. I didn't have time to test it yet.
EXPORT_SYMBOL(agp_memory_reserved);
to generic.c fixes this. Presumably the other dependacies suffer a similar problem.
This raises an issue, why would Linus release a kernel with hundreds of missing EXPORT_SYMBOL statements for end-user testing. I can think of two answers:
1. Opps, well thats what testing is for.
2. These symbols are now private. If this breaks drivers, somebody should fix those drivers.
2 sounds more plausible to me.
Also OSS is depreciated in 2.6. ALSA doesn't seem to support my sound card. Maybe using the depreciated OSS support would help.
And using the term "whoopee" is a sign you are 40+ years old.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice the changelogs have been missing from kernel.org's home page over the last few releases of 2.6.0-test. In case anyone else is interested:
5 932590109238&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=10
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I would love to do some testing on the new kernel, but I don't download it. Why? Because to me, testing is not just using something. If I knew what was updated in the kernel, I could test it better. The changelog may have a good description of the change, or it may have a few word cryptic sentence. Without following the kernel list, or keeping up with every change, I am lost. I suppose I could wait for someone to post a summary of the changes, but that may not happen. I just don't understand why the information doesn't come from the kernel maintainer. Would it take that much more time to do a quick write-up of the changes, in addition to the changelogs?
So there will be comments like "Just wait for your distro to upgrade the kernel, n00b!" and other childish remarks. I wonder how many of those people actually upgrade their kernel and know what they are doing, or if they just do it to seem cool in their little online world. I'll bet most of them have no idea what they are doing. I at least admit that I don't see the need to test out development versions of kernels, because I haven't been given enough information to know what to test.
Even when new versions of the kernel are officially released, there is no good information about what has changed. Changelogs don't cut it. If it was some huge complicated thing, I would understand, but it would be trivial for the kernel maintainer to give highlights of the changes. That is where the information should come from, IMO. I am sure all the fanbois will take offense, but it is constructive critisizm, not bashing, and should be taken as such.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You do not have to run make dep anymore ..
And it seems like the modules get compiled at once as well.
Or am I wrong?
I really HAD another userid
I've been hoping that 2.6 allows me to boot off from my external USB/Firewire hard drive. The 2.4 series kernels (at least on my PC) won't recognize the drive until after INIT loads, which means that I can't have the root filesystem on the USB drive. I've heard that 2.5/2.6 fixes this, so right now I am in the middle of compiling the kernel for testing this out. If anyone else is curious about if this works or not, please reply to this post, and I'll reply back when I am finished testing things out. My end hope is to have a bootable CD that I can bring along with the enclosure, which would kickstart the Linux installation on the drive.
One more interesting thing to note about 2.6 -- when configuring the kernel, it doesn't disable ACPI power management when you disable the master power management setting. The first go-around with the kernel resulted in tons of ACPI error messages on boot-up.
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Yeah, that's what I've been saying all along. That's because there is lousy Hardware & Software support in linux. It's going to come down to the point of if you want to use a computer, you're going to have to use a M$ Product.
/.ers will do that as well, because you don't want to pay for anything. Just one more thing to say, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.
SCO may be right about their claims of IP theft in linux, and even if their isn't, how can it be prevented? It can't , so theres always a threat that there may be someones IP in the code, and don't give me any of that information wants to be free bull, because that just means you don't want to pay for anything.
I know, I know, you pay big time money for your hardware, but, if there was any way of ste^h^h^hcopying it like you can software, then you
bobb:/# apt-get install emacs21
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0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 156 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.2MB of archives. After unpacking 42.0MB will be used.
Eeesh. But yes, Debian is great for installing only what you need (you can even use auto-apt to install it as you need it). The base system doesn't even include less or man, last I checked. But that's OK since things are so easy to install.
Also note that newer Red Hat installers will not run on older machines, and I don't know if every distribution can be installed over a serial connection. So Debian may be a good choice for other reasons.
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It could in theory have been Kelvin-barns.. so it'd be something like 10^-28 m^2 per second at 57 Kelvins -this clearly refers to the areaic speed of electric current on a wafer in a good temperature.
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OK, now for the update... For anyone who is curious, using a stock 2.6.0 when trying to boot a USB device doesn't work (at least on my system). Here is a document that explains the reasons why -- there isn't enough delay before INIT starts to load. The solution is to add a patch to the kernel that continually retries loading, at one second intervals.
Slashdot's first reaction to VMware
SCO may be right about their claims of IP theft in linux, and even if their isn't, how can it be prevented? It can't , so theres always a threat that there may be someones IP in the code
As people have pointed out time and time again, this threat is always there, whether you're dealing with open source or closed source. The difference is that open source provides accountability; the code is out there in the open for anyone to see. If there's an IP violation, it can be caught.
With closed source, that accountability just isn't there. Microsoft could be copy-and-pasting the entire Linux kernel into XP, ME, or 2K, except for the fact that they crash too much.
Though I suppose they could have a crashAtRandomInterval() method as camouflage... Hot dog! I'm onto something here. I gotta blow the lid on this thi>SDnaI&n389cK8kd(FK#ld9:f3]}"#l
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Meaning only 5% of us actually use Linux.
Err.. no.. I think it means that only 5% of us either work on the kernel or, alternatively, are stupid enough to patch our kernel everytime a new patch is released...
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
What is the state of S-ATA support, with and without RAID?
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Admittedly, it was pretty sickly to begin with...
Did you compile RTC access for applications into the kernel and configured XMMS to use it? That helps a lot, even on slow systems.
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I concur!
I tried 2.6.0-test2 today and I am a little confused. It appears to have cryptoapi+cryptoloop built in, but I am unable to mount my encrypted file systems. I've been using kernel crypto to mount physical disks through a loopback cipher for some time now using util-linux 2.11. What changed in 2.6 that the old technique for doing this no longer works. Is util-linux 2.12 required to make this work? Any help?
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