That's a decieving blurb. I was pretty excited at first. Bad slashdot =)
That's two motherboards, not a board and a processor daughtercard. Reminds me of Apple with the "DOS Compatibility Card". If pretty much EVERYTHING I need for AMD64 is on the "daughtercard" it's a motherboard in itself. Not to mention that the article doesn't say whether or not that card is a buy-in add-on, which it probably is.
So, you'll shell out X for the Intel board, and X for the AMD sub/conversion/daughter-board.
I can see how it's cool technology, but who's gonna adapt this? And how hard would it have been to intergrate and TRULY have one board?
I thought that I was pretty clear, save for my butchering "patches"
Er... since it isn't...
Nuclear power plants are owned and run by utility companies. They are regulated by the Dept of Energy. My comment means I'm reasonably sure that if an exploit in Windows threatened this super sensitive area of the power grid, they would recieve patches for said exploits at the same or close to the same time the govt. did.
It's too much hassle to sign a receipt and mail it to the company and wait a few weeks, in which they'll most likely forget all about the whole thing, and get a surprize $30 in the mail.
If they get the rebate at all. I don't buy anything with a mail-in rebate. If I can't get an instant rebate on it then I'll either wait, or get it elsewhere. For me, it's the biggest problem in shopping at a Microcenter, or a CompUSA. Every other item is a mail-in rebate.. and in some cases, i DUAL mail-in rebate. Take the money off at purchase.
Nuclear power plants are regulated by the Dept. of Energy so utility company or not, I'm sure they'll get pataches early. I remember hearing a few years back though, that the dated power grid software and OS were custom, not Windows based (someone might want to check that). Who knows how often they upgrade things like desktops.
My problem is the delayed rollout of patches for others. Unless M$ is admitting here that they have patches ready for exploits that haven't become problematic YET. If so, then instead of the government being soothed by this, they might want to start holding MS's feet to the fire.
What about state governments though (although the state govt. entity I contract for doesn't roll out an M$ patch until they're reasonably sure it's not going to break custom software)? I would imagine the big BIG state governments like California, Texas and NY could use this preferential treatment. Then again, weren't the Attorney Generals of these states heavily involved in a M$ suit?
Both parties play this game. It's not that either is any worse, it's how they do it. For instance, you'll get Dems that will outright (as in this case), tell you that there will be additional taxation on a product or service for a particular publc good (ending tax abatements, so called "sin taxes", environmental taxation). As altrusitic as that sounds, we know there's an element of mularkey in that. But they know where thier bread is buttered. To Joe Sixpack, all he sees is the hit in his paycheck, or on his cigarettes, or in the price of his fishing license and this "Damned tax and spend liberals."
Republicans seem to ascribe to the Chicken Little taxation philosophy. Scare-mongering about a particular subject (Social Security, terrorism, school choice), while in the background cutting programs that act as a safety net, and enacting other forms of revenue to compansate for the taxes they "do away with". So Joe Sixpack thinks my taxes are lower and I'm happy, while he's paying an extra 5 cents on soda and being nickel and dimed to death for about the same amount if he HAD been openly taxed.
Personally I'd prefer to know, because I've already accepted that regardless, it's going to happen.
There must two different Columbus Ohios, maybe even three because the two listed sound a hell of a lot more interesting than the one I'm in with the cow's 2 miles from the city center:)
...across the board still seems higher than what Apple sells the iPod Shuffle at.
Ironic though that after all these years of complaining about the high cost of Apple computers, all of a sudden it hard for others to beat the quality, user experience, AND price point Apple does? *shrug*
..to the ladies and gents who do contribute to Wikipedia; I am grateful for thier work, as well as my 12 year old(especially on the Sunday before an assignment is due). I'd better get in the habit of contributing...=)
I don't know how Ohio works, but from what I understand, if this is going to change before May 2, an addendum bill must be submitted, voted upon, and signed into law.
Which may or may not happen. There also is the option of sticking a reapeal of the law on the ballot (which happened with with a soda pop tax we had here a few years ago). That option might come about, considering the governor's a lame duck, and really could give a damn at this point... he's got just a year left.
I think this a bunch of mularkey like the rest of you, especially the 200 dollar license. I sure as hell like you would like to know who this would apply to regarding eBay. This law wasn't intended or aimed at eBay users, but it's gonna affect them regardless. I can see the costs passed down from businesses in Ohio running eBay stores. That 200 dollar fee is yet another way for them to recoup money here in the state, while telling Joe Blow that they're cutting taxes.
The 50k bond sounds like a lot, but when you consider that if you're a high risk driver in the state of Ohio and you need an SR-22 insurance bond, the SR-22 is a 30k bond. This sounds more like a boon to insurance companies than the government. I can see insurance companies lining up to take advantage of this at 60 dollar a month rates for a policy.
As a side note, some of my fellow slashdot reading co-workers, least the Republican leaning ones were pretty dismayed to discover the author of this law was one of them. =)
Enterprise was the present shuttle fleet's test vehicle. It never flew into space. So that aspect was never "tested". The "test flight" for the shuttle was its first into space in 1981. The three follow-ups were considered test flights. So, boosting what time and WHAT cost?
Any other subsequent vehicle is going to need the same shakedowns, "look alike" or no. The cost is there to be incurred regardless.
As I said in another post, the primary gain for using a similar airframe is to take advantage of advances in aircraft materials and avionics.
The present shuttle was built at a time that mass production on a number of aircraft we use today began to ramp up. The Boeing 737, 747, 757 McDonnell MD-80 and Lockheed L-1011 are among the jets either in production then or testing when the shuttle came about.
All but one of those is in production today with avionics upgrades, and in the case of the 737 a restructured wing. If you dont think Boeing and co. used a LOT of the same tooling on these craft as they did the shuttle you're deluding yourself.
What NASA needs is a companion intermediate range (to the moon) delivery vehicle, from scratch, not a shuttle.
You're not talking about an exact copy, though. you're talking about a new vehicle, that looks a LOT like the existing vehicle. The look is pretty much all they will share with the existing STS.
Tooling is going to have to be fabricated for a new STS regardless; you will have to build multiple vehicles. Even if you decide to go with the "look" of the existing shuttle, vehicle 1 MAY be insanely expensive, but 2, 3, 4 and 5 shouldn't be.
Endeavour is a little under 15 years old It was built to replace Challenger. I'm quite sure they could build another shuttle to spec. This is the same with the Saturn V. Yes, it was a complex vehicle but examples exist. Complete examples.
The main issue is the budget. If you dont have the money to hire the contractors (Boeing, Raytheon on and on) then it's not going to happen. It's not like NASA has the know how in house to dream up a new vehicle. It's like any other government entity. It's got to get the contractors to get the work done:)
The side effect is like any other government entity they spend more time talking about it, and wasting money on BS for YEARS before something does get done. And then it's still a few more years til you have an ACTUAL vehicle.
To be honest, We're primarily talking about aeronautic control, flight systems and the like. A good deal of this exists in modern avionics that we take for granted pond hopping on modern Boeing jets.
Structural improvements and the like can be rolled in as well (lighter/stronger materials, on and on) . You can keep the same physical attributes with a bit of minor tweaking, and come out with a simpler, lighter, modern vehicle.
The other problem is that this simply isn't on Joe Citizen's radar. When we were racing the Commies, it was great. Now that we've conquered the world with 9 million ways to entertain yourself to death, he doesn't care.
Unless and until I can go down to Fry's and buy a motherboard based off of this chip and put it into a standard case, it really doesn't matter if the CPU is better or not. It is the system as a whole that matters, not the relative performance of one of its components. I'm not going to paint myself into a corner with a proprietary system from anyone, let alone Apple.
that's a slightly oxymoronic way of expressing it, isn't it? There are descendants of CHRP that exist, such as the Power Mac. Last I checked, It is a "whole system".
You may not be be able to go down to Fry's (we don't even have Fry's here in this part of the Midwest)and get a G4 motherboard, but you sure can go pick one up online. You can also jump out and get up to a 1.4 GHz G4 as well. Online. I'm more than sure you can get it into a standard case as well. Play around with it a bit.
No one is saying you have to run OS X on your G4 motherboard and processor; Linux PPC, Net and Free BSD, Darwin and others are available.
It may not be at the price point you want to pay, but the option is there.
I'm not too young, but the last time I've used a Netscape browser on a regular basis, it was 4.7.I've used several Mozilla implementations, and thank the Gods for Firefox, in which I do most of my browsing (Safari on my Macs) on the office PC and my linux boxen at home.
Pretty ironic though, that Netscape's offering probably won't make any headway, while Firefox has. Maybe they should rename it "Firefox by Netscape" (obvious nod to those marketing geniuses at HP *heh*).
As a side note, one of the things that is brought up about comic books and censorship is that comic books are often censored based upon their effects on children, even with no proof that children are the main readers of comic books. The same thing with video games: the main market of video games is arguably people who have moved out of their formative years.
I'm not naive enough to think that the health care organizations are being altrusitic here, but I think it's somewhat valid.
Like the comic book analogy you used, if you don't think it has some effect (not saying it's a determining factor, but some effect), you'd be mistaken.
What you read in your formative years helps define who you are. What you watch. What you play. How you play. How your parents guide you. How they monitor you. How they discipline you. All together, there you are.
Peter Parker had an effect on me. Kurt Wagner had an effect on me, and the actions/storytelling of other characters. I should say the writings of David Micheline, John Bryne, Stan Lee, Len Wein, Alan Moore, Frank Miller and the like did. Not the characters themselves. Even in escapism, we need to identify.
Like it or not though, all media all the time is desensitizing. Violence, sex, on and on. For every slashdotter who turned out OK after hours of Doom I'm sure there's one that didn't. While I don't think age is an accurate barometer for maturity, it might be the best thing we have now. Unless you want kids taking IQ/EQ exams at EB before buying.
My thing is, I like anyone else dont want this legislated. Because we arent legislating that parents sit at home with their kids and unplug the idiot box.
I personally share my music via iTunes throughout the house. While this doesnt work beyond the local subnet, theres a solution for that as well? Maybe a VPN tunnel built from my everyday or roaming location to the router/firewall at home, and booting up iTunes remotely?
This (mp3 beamer) sounds cool, but I'm not gonna spend 400 bux for something I'm sure I can do with a little time an ingenuity. Plus, there's several set top style boxes that do similar things...
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Umm can't you get that from Apple?
That's a decieving blurb. I was pretty excited at first. Bad slashdot =)
That's two motherboards, not a board and a processor daughtercard. Reminds me of Apple with the "DOS Compatibility Card". If pretty much EVERYTHING I need for AMD64 is on the "daughtercard" it's a motherboard in itself. Not to mention that the article doesn't say whether or not that card is a buy-in add-on, which it probably is.
So, you'll shell out X for the Intel board, and X for the AMD sub/conversion/daughter-board.
I can see how it's cool technology, but who's gonna adapt this? And how hard would it have been to intergrate and TRULY have one board?
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I thought that I was pretty clear, save for my butchering "patches"
Er... since it isn't...
Nuclear power plants are owned and run by utility companies. They are regulated by the Dept of Energy. My comment means I'm reasonably sure that if an exploit in Windows threatened this super sensitive area of the power grid, they would recieve patches for said exploits at the same or close to the same time the govt. did.
Nuclear power plants are regulated by the Dept. of Energy so utility company or not, I'm sure they'll get pataches early. I remember hearing a few years back though, that the dated power grid software and OS were custom, not Windows based (someone might want to check that). Who knows how often they upgrade things like desktops.
My problem is the delayed rollout of patches for others. Unless M$ is admitting here that they have patches ready for exploits that haven't become problematic YET. If so, then instead of the government being soothed by this, they might want to start holding MS's feet to the fire.
What about state governments though (although the state govt. entity I contract for doesn't roll out an M$ patch until they're reasonably sure it's not going to break custom software)? I would imagine the big BIG state governments like California, Texas and NY could use this preferential treatment. Then again, weren't the Attorney Generals of these states heavily involved in a M$ suit?
just be the only thing Steve Jobs and Disney agree on....
Unless you're joining the IDF :)1 5&tid=133
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/09/16222
*nod*
Both parties play this game. It's not that either is any worse, it's how they do it. For instance, you'll get Dems that will outright (as in this case), tell you that there will be additional taxation on a product or service for a particular publc good (ending tax abatements, so called "sin taxes", environmental taxation). As altrusitic as that sounds, we know there's an element of mularkey in that. But they know where thier bread is buttered. To Joe Sixpack, all he sees is the hit in his paycheck, or on his cigarettes, or in the price of his fishing license and this "Damned tax and spend liberals."
Republicans seem to ascribe to the Chicken Little taxation philosophy. Scare-mongering about a particular subject (Social Security, terrorism, school choice), while in the background cutting programs that act as a safety net, and enacting other forms of revenue to compansate for the taxes they "do away with". So Joe Sixpack thinks my taxes are lower and I'm happy, while he's paying an extra 5 cents on soda and being nickel and dimed to death for about the same amount if he HAD been openly taxed.
Personally I'd prefer to know, because I've already accepted that regardless, it's going to happen.
Easy, Mike.
:)
There must two different Columbus Ohios, maybe even three because the two listed sound a hell of a lot more interesting than the one I'm in with the cow's 2 miles from the city center
Don't you mean Micheal Jackson? Doesn't he still own the Beatles catalog? I'm sure he could the coinage right about now.. :)
...across the board still seems higher than what Apple sells the iPod Shuffle at.
Ironic though that after all these years of complaining about the high cost of Apple computers, all of a sudden it hard for others to beat the quality, user experience, AND price point Apple does? *shrug*
..to the ladies and gents who do contribute to Wikipedia; I am grateful for thier work, as well as my 12 year old(especially on the Sunday before an assignment is due). I'd better get in the habit of contributing...=)
Which may or may not happen. There also is the option of sticking a reapeal of the law on the ballot (which happened with with a soda pop tax we had here a few years ago). That option might come about, considering the governor's a lame duck, and really could give a damn at this point... he's got just a year left.
I think this a bunch of mularkey like the rest of you, especially the 200 dollar license. I sure as hell like you would like to know who this would apply to regarding eBay. This law wasn't intended or aimed at eBay users, but it's gonna affect them regardless. I can see the costs passed down from businesses in Ohio running eBay stores. That 200 dollar fee is yet another way for them to recoup money here in the state, while telling Joe Blow that they're cutting taxes.
The 50k bond sounds like a lot, but when you consider that if you're a high risk driver in the state of Ohio and you need an SR-22 insurance bond, the SR-22 is a 30k bond. This sounds more like a boon to insurance companies than the government. I can see insurance companies lining up to take advantage of this at 60 dollar a month rates for a policy.
As a side note, some of my fellow slashdot reading co-workers, least the Republican leaning ones were pretty dismayed to discover the author of this law was one of them. =)
And thet LES was a long time coming. The Russians have had accidents as well.. like suffocating to death on the way BACK from space.
The russian version doesnt exist anymore.
Enterprise was the present shuttle fleet's test vehicle. It never flew into space. So that aspect was never "tested". The "test flight" for the shuttle was its first into space in 1981. The three follow-ups were considered test flights. So, boosting what time and WHAT cost?
Any other subsequent vehicle is going to need the same shakedowns, "look alike" or no. The cost is there to be incurred regardless.
As I said in another post, the primary gain for using a similar airframe is to take advantage of advances in aircraft materials and avionics.
The present shuttle was built at a time that mass production on a number of aircraft we use today began to ramp up. The Boeing 737, 747, 757 McDonnell MD-80 and Lockheed L-1011 are among the jets either in production then or testing when the shuttle came about.
All but one of those is in production today with avionics upgrades, and in the case of the 737 a restructured wing. If you dont think Boeing and co. used a LOT of the same tooling on these craft as they did the shuttle you're deluding yourself.
What NASA needs is a companion intermediate range (to the moon) delivery vehicle, from scratch, not a shuttle.
You're not talking about an exact copy, though. you're talking about a new vehicle, that looks a LOT like the existing vehicle. The look is pretty much all they will share with the existing STS.
Tooling is going to have to be fabricated for a new STS regardless; you will have to build multiple vehicles. Even if you decide to go with the "look" of the existing shuttle, vehicle 1 MAY be insanely expensive, but 2, 3, 4 and 5 shouldn't be.
No...That was four years ago.
Endeavour is a little under 15 years old It was built to replace Challenger. I'm quite sure they could build another shuttle to spec. This is the same with the Saturn V. Yes, it was a complex vehicle but examples exist. Complete examples.
:)
The main issue is the budget. If you dont have the money to hire the contractors (Boeing, Raytheon on and on) then it's not going to happen. It's not like NASA has the know how in house to dream up a new vehicle. It's like any other government entity. It's got to get the contractors to get the work done
The side effect is like any other government entity they spend more time talking about it, and wasting money on BS for YEARS before something does get done. And then it's still a few more years til you have an ACTUAL vehicle.
To be honest, We're primarily talking about aeronautic control, flight systems and the like. A good deal of this exists in modern avionics that we take for granted pond hopping on modern Boeing jets.
Structural improvements and the like can be rolled in as well (lighter/stronger materials, on and on) . You can keep the same physical attributes with a bit of minor tweaking, and come out with a simpler, lighter, modern vehicle.
The other problem is that this simply isn't on Joe Citizen's radar. When we were racing the Commies, it was great. Now that we've conquered the world with 9 million ways to entertain yourself to death, he doesn't care.
that's a slightly oxymoronic way of expressing it, isn't it? There are descendants of CHRP that exist, such as the Power Mac. Last I checked, It is a "whole system".
You may not be be able to go down to Fry's (we don't even have Fry's here in this part of the Midwest)and get a G4 motherboard, but you sure can go pick one up online. You can also jump out and get up to a 1.4 GHz G4 as well. Online. I'm more than sure you can get it into a standard case as well. Play around with it a bit.
No one is saying you have to run OS X on your G4 motherboard and processor; Linux PPC, Net and Free BSD, Darwin and others are available.
It may not be at the price point you want to pay, but the option is there.
What, your reception? I'm sure missing that fifth bar
I'm not too young, but the last time I've used a Netscape browser on a regular basis, it was 4.7.I've used several Mozilla implementations, and thank the Gods for Firefox, in which I do most of my browsing (Safari on my Macs) on the office PC and my linux boxen at home.
Pretty ironic though, that Netscape's offering probably won't make any headway, while Firefox has. Maybe they should rename it "Firefox by Netscape" (obvious nod to those marketing geniuses at HP *heh*).
I'm not naive enough to think that the health care organizations are being altrusitic here, but I think it's somewhat valid.
Like the comic book analogy you used, if you don't think it has some effect (not saying it's a determining factor, but some effect), you'd be mistaken.
What you read in your formative years helps define who you are. What you watch. What you play. How you play. How your parents guide you. How they monitor you. How they discipline you. All together, there you are.
Peter Parker had an effect on me. Kurt Wagner had an effect on me, and the actions/storytelling of other characters. I should say the writings of David Micheline, John Bryne, Stan Lee, Len Wein, Alan Moore, Frank Miller and the like did. Not the characters themselves. Even in escapism, we need to identify.
Like it or not though, all media all the time is desensitizing. Violence, sex, on and on. For every slashdotter who turned out OK after hours of Doom I'm sure there's one that didn't. While I don't think age is an accurate barometer for maturity, it might be the best thing we have now. Unless you want kids taking IQ/EQ exams at EB before buying.
My thing is, I like anyone else dont want this legislated. Because we arent legislating that parents sit at home with their kids and unplug the idiot box.
*nod*
I personally share my music via iTunes throughout the house. While this doesnt work beyond the local subnet, theres a solution for that as well? Maybe a VPN tunnel built from my everyday or roaming location to the router/firewall at home, and booting up iTunes remotely?
This (mp3 beamer) sounds cool, but I'm not gonna spend 400 bux for something I'm sure I can do with a little time an ingenuity. Plus, there's several set top style boxes that do similar things...