Does anybody know of a map or photo with the path of any of the rovers? It would be great to know where they are and the miles they have already covered.
Prokudin-Gorskii travelled Russia taking color photos about a hundred years ago, a time when there was no color films. He used to take 3 pictures, one after another, each one with a different filter. He then projected the three together to get a color picture. Similar to Spirit but in a very, very old fashion.
It is easy to tell, by all the rage you've shown, that "will to power" is an important thing for you. You sure deal with post modernism in a very emotional way. I don't know what other post modernists did to you (and I don't want to know, really), but I am not here to destroy the "objective reality" idea that is so precious to you. I just want to present a different point of view, one that has to do with the discussion at stake.
First of all, I am not really sure if reality is objective or subjective. I don't need to. I think both points of view can coexist and be used in different circunstances. It is a much more scientific position. Zealotism is not scientific. Objective reality was useful for building bombs, cars, airplanes and remote controls, but it has several problems to analyse different values and cultures. My proposal, following the parent post's ideas, was that the "subjective reality" idea could be useful for studying "out of body" experiences. It could lead to nothing, but it would be at least an interesting approach on the issue.
Even physics and math can deal with different and contradictory paradigms, why can't philosophy and metaphysics? But then you present "objective reality" as an ultimate truth and "will to power" as its ultimate ethics. If you want to keep on with this "power" approach, go on, bomb the world. Someday, you are going to regret it.
Nietzsche would have been embarassed at you
*laugh* really, did you try to offend me? Nietszche was embarassed at himself!
And what if, following a long philosophical tradition, the perception is in fact the actual reality? What if there is no actual world and all we have is our pont of view on them? There is something like this in Dostoievski's Karamazov, when he says that it doesn't matter if God exists or not, provided you can feel him. Nietszche also said that we build our reality in the same way when we are sleeping and when we are awake. I could quote many other writers and post-structuralists that deal with this problem in the same way, but I'm not with my books right now and I think you already got the point.
I know it is not a popular scientific tradition among americans and, specially, among computer scientists, but it is a pretty interesting line of thought.
It will sure be difficult to show he who had an out-of-body experience that what he saw is an illusion.
The problem is that Ig's main business has long shifted from the free internet model to other services. They take most of their profit from contents, broadband, free email and other pay services. The fact that they started as a free internet service provider doesn't mean that their sucess depends on this business model.
The ironic part is that americans can't even see the sky because of the air pollution, while US government insists in standing against the Kyoto protocol that regulates carbon emissions.
I have bought the book and I am currently on page 300. It looks huge at first, but as you start reading it, you realize it is not so big and difficult. The book itself is just 800 pages, the rest is just notes. It is also very fast to read - I could go through 200 pages in a couple of hours. Wolfram says that it is easier to detect complexity when you can view it in a graphic, and because of this method, more than half of the pages are images, graphics and other cute ilustrations. It is also pretty easy to read. I am a sociologist and my knowledge in math doesn't go beyond the school basics. Nevertheless, I could comprehend almost everything (except one or two equations).
I agree with you comments, specially the critics to american-centrism. I feel sometimes that these people you work with, who suffer an enourmous burden since they were born, have more things to teach us than we could possibly imagine. I once travelled to Bahia with an american friend - a computer engineering student from NJ. He had a DVD, an MD and a GPS, but most of the time didn't know how to deal with campings and with the clever bahianos. The diferences in culture, language, habits and - foremost - ethics between americans and most of the third world are so huge that any international program have to take both parts as distinct and equal.
I also agree that any project have to center first in brains, and then move to technology or buildings, gadgets, etc. The solutions to most of the problems are very low-tech, but require an astute person.
I am also a brazilian, writing this from São Paulo, and although I agree with the points you mentioned, I think you got a very limited image of what Brazil and the third world are.
Yes, we have millions of miserable children who don't know english and don't even want to. They also don't care for technology and the only use they could see for a PDA would be selling to buy food or TVs for his home (if they don't use it for drugs). I know how poor Nova Friburgo is, but as someone who works with at-risk kids, you probably know this reality better than me.
The problem is that we also have an enourmous middle-class, who would be very interested in learning new technologies and finding new uses for them. As stated in the story, there will be only 8 or 9 centers around the world, and probably only one in Brazil, if much. The kind of people you work with certainly need help, but they are not the target of this kind of experiment. I really think millions of children in Brazil could participate in this project with a great degree of sucess. Brazilians have a good use of technology - in less than two years, cell phones spread everywhere, even to some poor people. I find it really amazing.
This project has an oportunity to put some children in contact with different areas of the world and with new technologies. This project could make them think of technology and research as a serious career option for their lives. One of the main problems in Brazil is that a research careeer is not considered as serious and valuable as a doctor or a lawyer carreer. Dealing with different ideas and technologies will be important in the future and this project can change some childrens mind - specially in Brazil and other third world countries.
Anyway, congratulations for your courage in helping such a poor and violent city.
is an area which has been using VR since the beggining of the century and will still use it in the next decades. They even developed some really cool equipaments.
I piloted an Airbus A320 for about an hour in one of those nice CAE toys . It is really amazing. You can feel the irregularities of the asphalt as you accelerate on the take-off ramp, and the inercia makes you stick in the seat. All the commands and movements of the cockpit are perfect. The graphics of the landscape are good, but they don't get close to photorealism.
To make the things work, they use an IBM RISC/6000, equipped with several boards and equipments that are present on fly-by-wire systems of the actual planes. There are also special boards to control the hydraulic systems that make the whole thing swing. The instruments that are in the cockpit are also the same of an Airbus A320.
It doesn't have anything to do with helmets, gloves or helmets, but they are a demonstration of the cool things VR can do.
In Brazil, we have a very interesting religion called Santo Daime. Their rituals involve using large amounts of ayahuasca, and they have the permission from the government to do so.
Brazil is not very tolerant with drugs. As far as I know, this is the only kind of drug that people are allowed to take (except alcohol, of course). I think this exception only exists because ayahuasca is really used only for religious purpuoses.
I have been to one of their rituals. People prey, dance and spend a lot of time in silence. Ayahuasca is a very powerful drug - it makes you see a lot of things. I can easilly understand why people have religous insights with it. It also tastes really bad and, some minutes or hours later, puking is inevitable.
But the fact is that they only use it in their rituals, and no one gets out of it in a high. I have a friend that never misses these rituals and tried to get some ayahuasca to drink with some friends in his house. He was not allowed.
Daime already existed when most of the drugs were forbidden in Brasil. But the main reason for staying legal was not age. Building a religion that deals with ilegal things is not a matter of age. It has to be spontaneous and the followers have to have faith in their belief. Otherwise, it turns into a party - an illegal party.
MODERATORS, THIS IS A TROLL, AND EVERYTHING HE IS WRITING IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
As in any other country, you can get in a brazilian plane with a gun. Go to this page to see our regulation on this subject (it is in portuguese. Use the fish). It is from 97, and it hasn't changed since then. Police and Army officers have the right to hold guns in airplanes, but they are proposing a new law to change it. Acording to this proposal, they would have to give their weapons to the commander of the airplane.
I also would like to know where this "Ungrounded lightning" took this idea that 60% of brazilians carry concealed weapons. It doen't make sense at all. Some cities in Brazil have serious security problems, but they don't reach that level.
The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it).
He thinks that the attacks on the world trade center were not a isolated action. They were actually a revenge.
You talk as if it would be easy to "educate" the population on how to avoid AIDS. It can be a very simple thing to do in your safe european home, but it is very hard in a big, complex and not so rich country such as Brazil.
I am brazilian, and I am writing these from my office in São Paulo.
First of all, sharing needles are a minor problem in Brazil. We don't have heroin here. People use other cheaper drugs, such as cocaine and marijuana. Smoking crack is perhaps the biggest problem, but it doesn't give you AIDS.
People get Aids mostly for doing sex. Since you are so intelligent, I invite you to come here to Brazil and sucessfully convince the people that they have to spend a half of the salary in condons or stop doing sex, which sometimes is the only pleasure they can afford. It is only impossible. The government also doesn't have enough funds to give these condons for free. Nevertheless, it has done a lot of public campaigns to avoid Aids, but you can't solve a problem as big as this by only using advertisement.
The fact is that breaking copyrights is saving lives. If you put in a balance one single life in one side and corporations interests in the other, I will always choose a living person. Come on! These corporations are going to fund research don't matter what Brazil does. They still have a huge (and rich!) market in the northern hemisphere, so why are you complaining about the last hope of a few miserables? Do you really think that Brazil (or South Africa, or any other non-developed country) would be the one to pay for the cure of Aids?
Please, stop being so selfish and start to realise that there are some places (and people ) in the world that don't have the same opportunities you have.
If you go to Disney world, it might feel fun at first. But after 2 days straight in the campus, you feel tired. You then want to go back home. If you divorce, you feel free at first. Then you start to feel lonely and you want to remarry again.
Can't we use the same argument against him?
If you are born, you might feel fun at first. But after 90 years straight on earth, you feel tired. Then, you just want to go away from here.
Dont buy an eternal ticket to life.
why did the Russian people fight so hard and sacrifice so much -- more than 20 million casualties -- when their own leaders were nearly as brutal as the Nazis?
Just a hint: In 1941, there were 3.6 million soviet soldiers in german concentration camps. Barely 100,000 would return to their homes.
We must remember that they were fighting for their homes and their homeland. Isnt it a good cause?
The result was that Soviet Union won the WW2. Despite the american propaganda, the russians destroied most of the german armies and divisions and broke their oil and food suplly lines. They were the ones who destroyed the German war machine, and they have done that by controlling logistics. If the russians hadn't fought so hard we would have a real hard D-day.
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There are a lot of high scored comments that start with phrases like "I will probably lose my karma with this opinion, but nevermind". If the main objective of Slashdot is to exchange opinions, why do some people feel guilty when they write intelligent things? This democratic system is becoming a demagogy.
Actually, this is very usual in Brazil. People can choose if they want a car that uses gasoline or alcohol. There are government subsides for alcohol and this kind of car is cheaper.
The only problem is that it is very difficult to turn on the engine in a cold morning. They had to mix the fuel with gasoline to solve this problem.
We see nowadays so many cameras and photographic radars appearing on the streets. It seems to me that we cant even take a walk without being noticed. On the other hand, criptographic systems get better every day. Ian Pearson, a futurologist from British telecom, thinks that in the future we will have more privacy using computers than walking on the beach. This carnivore system made me think that, dont matter where, we wont have any kind of privacy.
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Does anybody know of a map or photo with the path of any of the rovers? It would be great to know where they are and the miles they have already covered.
Prokudin-Gorskii travelled Russia taking color photos about a hundred years ago, a time when there was no color films. He used to take 3 pictures, one after another, each one with a different filter. He then projected the three together to get a color picture. Similar to Spirit but in a very, very old fashion.
Now that we have the technology to make kitchen waste-powered Deloreans, we only have to wait until they develop flying cars...
Are you sure this wasn't discovered by Jan Hendrik Schon?
First of all, I am not really sure if reality is objective or subjective. I don't need to. I think both points of view can coexist and be used in different circunstances. It is a much more scientific position. Zealotism is not scientific. Objective reality was useful for building bombs, cars, airplanes and remote controls, but it has several problems to analyse different values and cultures. My proposal, following the parent post's ideas, was that the "subjective reality" idea could be useful for studying "out of body" experiences. It could lead to nothing, but it would be at least an interesting approach on the issue.
Even physics and math can deal with different and contradictory paradigms, why can't philosophy and metaphysics? But then you present "objective reality" as an ultimate truth and "will to power" as its ultimate ethics. If you want to keep on with this "power" approach, go on, bomb the world. Someday, you are going to regret it.
Nietzsche would have been embarassed at you
*laugh* really, did you try to offend me? Nietszche was embarassed at himself!
I know it is not a popular scientific tradition among americans and, specially, among computer scientists, but it is a pretty interesting line of thought.
It will sure be difficult to show he who had an out-of-body experience that what he saw is an illusion.
The problem is that Ig's main business has long shifted from the free internet model to other services. They take most of their profit from contents, broadband, free email and other pay services. The fact that they started as a free internet service provider doesn't mean that their sucess depends on this business model.
The ironic part is that americans can't even see the sky because of the air pollution, while US government insists in standing against the Kyoto protocol that regulates carbon emissions.
I have bought the book and I am currently on page 300. It looks huge at first, but as you start reading it, you realize it is not so big and difficult. The book itself is just 800 pages, the rest is just notes. It is also very fast to read - I could go through 200 pages in a couple of hours. Wolfram says that it is easier to detect complexity when you can view it in a graphic, and because of this method, more than half of the pages are images, graphics and other cute ilustrations. It is also pretty easy to read. I am a sociologist and my knowledge in math doesn't go beyond the school basics. Nevertheless, I could comprehend almost everything (except one or two equations).
I also agree that any project have to center first in brains, and then move to technology or buildings, gadgets, etc. The solutions to most of the problems are very low-tech, but require an astute person.
I am also a brazilian, writing this from São Paulo, and although I agree with the points you mentioned, I think you got a very limited image of what Brazil and the third world are. Yes, we have millions of miserable children who don't know english and don't even want to. They also don't care for technology and the only use they could see for a PDA would be selling to buy food or TVs for his home (if they don't use it for drugs). I know how poor Nova Friburgo is, but as someone who works with at-risk kids, you probably know this reality better than me. The problem is that we also have an enourmous middle-class, who would be very interested in learning new technologies and finding new uses for them. As stated in the story, there will be only 8 or 9 centers around the world, and probably only one in Brazil, if much. The kind of people you work with certainly need help, but they are not the target of this kind of experiment. I really think millions of children in Brazil could participate in this project with a great degree of sucess. Brazilians have a good use of technology - in less than two years, cell phones spread everywhere, even to some poor people. I find it really amazing. This project has an oportunity to put some children in contact with different areas of the world and with new technologies. This project could make them think of technology and research as a serious career option for their lives. One of the main problems in Brazil is that a research careeer is not considered as serious and valuable as a doctor or a lawyer carreer. Dealing with different ideas and technologies will be important in the future and this project can change some childrens mind - specially in Brazil and other third world countries. Anyway, congratulations for your courage in helping such a poor and violent city.
I piloted an Airbus A320 for about an hour in one of those nice CAE toys . It is really amazing. You can feel the irregularities of the asphalt as you accelerate on the take-off ramp, and the inercia makes you stick in the seat. All the commands and movements of the cockpit are perfect. The graphics of the landscape are good, but they don't get close to photorealism.
To make the things work, they use an IBM RISC/6000, equipped with several boards and equipments that are present on fly-by-wire systems of the actual planes. There are also special boards to control the hydraulic systems that make the whole thing swing. The instruments that are in the cockpit are also the same of an Airbus A320.
It doesn't have anything to do with helmets, gloves or helmets, but they are a demonstration of the cool things VR can do.
Brazil is not very tolerant with drugs. As far as I know, this is the only kind of drug that people are allowed to take (except alcohol, of course). I think this exception only exists because ayahuasca is really used only for religious purpuoses.
I have been to one of their rituals. People prey, dance and spend a lot of time in silence. Ayahuasca is a very powerful drug - it makes you see a lot of things. I can easilly understand why people have religous insights with it. It also tastes really bad and, some minutes or hours later, puking is inevitable.
But the fact is that they only use it in their rituals, and no one gets out of it in a high. I have a friend that never misses these rituals and tried to get some ayahuasca to drink with some friends in his house. He was not allowed.
Daime already existed when most of the drugs were forbidden in Brasil. But the main reason for staying legal was not age. Building a religion that deals with ilegal things is not a matter of age. It has to be spontaneous and the followers have to have faith in their belief. Otherwise, it turns into a party - an illegal party.
112-3321 That's the first 7 notes of the theme "Ode to Joy" from Beethoven's 9th simphony. At least sounds like...
Wassily Kandinsky was one of the pioneers of the abstract art. He made some very coloured paintings.
The correct is: "you CAN'T get in a brazilian plane with a gun"
As in any other country, you can get in a brazilian plane with a gun. Go to this page to see our regulation on this subject (it is in portuguese. Use the fish). It is from 97, and it hasn't changed since then. Police and Army officers have the right to hold guns in airplanes, but they are proposing a new law to change it. Acording to this proposal, they would have to give their weapons to the commander of the airplane.
I also would like to know where this "Ungrounded lightning" took this idea that 60% of brazilians carry concealed weapons. It doen't make sense at all. Some cities in Brazil have serious security problems, but they don't reach that level.
I wonder why this guy inveted this bullshit.
The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it).
He thinks that the attacks on the world trade center were not a isolated action. They were actually a revenge.
You talk as if it would be easy to "educate" the population on how to avoid AIDS. It can be a very simple thing to do in your safe european home, but it is very hard in a big, complex and not so rich country such as Brazil.
I am brazilian, and I am writing these from my office in São Paulo.
First of all, sharing needles are a minor problem in Brazil. We don't have heroin here. People use other cheaper drugs, such as cocaine and marijuana. Smoking crack is perhaps the biggest problem, but it doesn't give you AIDS.
People get Aids mostly for doing sex. Since you are so intelligent, I invite you to come here to Brazil and sucessfully convince the people that they have to spend a half of the salary in condons or stop doing sex, which sometimes is the only pleasure they can afford. It is only impossible. The government also doesn't have enough funds to give these condons for free. Nevertheless, it has done a lot of public campaigns to avoid Aids, but you can't solve a problem as big as this by only using advertisement.
The fact is that breaking copyrights is saving lives. If you put in a balance one single life in one side and corporations interests in the other, I will always choose a living person. Come on! These corporations are going to fund research don't matter what Brazil does. They still have a huge (and rich!) market in the northern hemisphere, so why are you complaining about the last hope of a few miserables? Do you really think that Brazil (or South Africa, or any other non-developed country) would be the one to pay for the cure of Aids?
Please, stop being so selfish and start to realise that there are some places (and people ) in the world that don't have the same opportunities you have.
Can't we use the same argument against him? If you are born, you might feel fun at first. But after 90 years straight on earth, you feel tired. Then, you just want to go away from here. Dont buy an eternal ticket to life.
Just a hint: In 1941, there were 3.6 million soviet soldiers in german concentration camps. Barely 100,000 would return to their homes.
We must remember that they were fighting for their homes and their homeland. Isnt it a good cause?
The result was that Soviet Union won the WW2. Despite the american propaganda, the russians destroied most of the german armies and divisions and broke their oil and food suplly lines. They were the ones who destroyed the German war machine, and they have done that by controlling logistics. If the russians hadn't fought so hard we would have a real hard D-day.
There are a lot of high scored comments that start with phrases like "I will probably lose my karma with this opinion, but nevermind". If the main objective of Slashdot is to exchange opinions, why do some people feel guilty when they write intelligent things? This democratic system is becoming a demagogy.
Actually, this is very usual in Brazil. People can choose if they want a car that uses gasoline or alcohol. There are government subsides for alcohol and this kind of car is cheaper. The only problem is that it is very difficult to turn on the engine in a cold morning. They had to mix the fuel with gasoline to solve this problem.
We see nowadays so many cameras and photographic radars appearing on the streets. It seems to me that we cant even take a walk without being noticed. On the other hand, criptographic systems get better every day. Ian Pearson, a futurologist from British telecom, thinks that in the future we will have more privacy using computers than walking on the beach. This carnivore system made me think that, dont matter where, we wont have any kind of privacy.