The word SUSE is composed of the initials for "Software Systems and Development", or in German, "Software Systems und Entwicklung" - Entwicklung, of course, means "Development".
Of course when I hear SuSE, I always think of Siouxsie and the Banshees...
Just out of curiosity, have you run any interesting linux programs, say, oracle 10g, ut2004, or the KDE desktop environment, on your windows pc via line?
he he... is it just me, or has the quality of the trolls been decreasing lately?
First you tout Wine, then you slam it. Make up your mind, kook.
LOL, when did I ever 'tout' wine? and when did I ever 'slam' it? I simply advocate using a tool fit for the task. While I think wine is a terribly clever hack, and I admire the wine developers for their skill and tenacity, I haven't had occasion to use wine for years. Others, however, are using it, and quite successfully, as a temporary kludge which allows them to run legacy windows applications on linux. Thus it can be a useful tool for those who have switched from windows to linux, but haven't yet settled on a replacement for some windows program or other.
But a database? please, be serious - there are a wealth of excellent, native linux databases, and simply no reason to bother with a virtual pc environment to run a windows database. If there were a demand, any demand at all for this, the wine developers would already be tuning the stack for this sort of thing.
But let's face it, legacy windows desktop apps (and unported windows games) are really the only meaningful application space for wine at present.
POSIX is a much smaller and better documented API than Win32.
Sorry to break this to you, anonymous coward, but simply implementing "a posix api" doesn't get you anywhere near a functional unix system, but merely some bones for a skeleton under construction...
PS: Let us when Wine runs MSSQL with any sort of reasonable performance. Oh, sorry, that won't happen.
Eh? what a bizzarre idea... why would anyone be interested? I mean, we can run Oracle, DB2, and other commercial, native linux databases, so what would be the point? Open source databases such as MySQL, PostgreSQL are much more suitable for serious work than futzing around with a virtual peecee environment to run a windows database.
Generally speaking, if a linux admin wants stable, high-performance apps, native linux executables are the only sane option, and there are plenty to choose from in the database arena.
GREAT Now I can have the ease-of-use of Linux apps combined with the operational stability of Windows!!
LOL that's a great point, but seriously... does microsoft actually suppose that people are moving to linux because of all those great apps? (snigger) such naivete is amusing... there are already all sorts of apps for windows, and I don't know of anybody, myself included, who has ever moved from windows to linux for the apps - no, the killer app of linux is linux itself, on the bare metal!
I talked with microsoft pr drones at linuxworld, where they were showing their unix emulator, watched their demo and asked their guys some easy questions:
No, it can't run X windows apps, let alone OpenGL apps.
No, it can't run native linux binaries - they have to be specifically compiled for this weird flavor of quasi-unix.
No, even basic unix commands such as "ifconfig" don't work, but the peecee equivalent "ipconfig" was substituted for it. (I forgot to ask them about drive letters, LOL)
How does this silly troll get modded as insightful?
Thank you, anonymous coward, for your troll, but a troll is no subsititute for reason and fact. If it's "much easier to put unix on windows" than vice versa as you claim, how do you explain away the rather disturbing fact thousands are now running windows applications on linux, while microsoft is still talking about pie in the sky vaporware that would allow linux apps to run on windows?
If you really think it's such a bad thing to have to pay for a commercial dvd player.
No, you're totally missing the point here. All the linux users I know can and do pay, gladly, for good stuff. What we aren't eager to is to pay for a closed source program that's not as good as the open source ones we already have...
I haven't seen this DVD software yet, and I'll reserve judgment about it until I see it in action - but, as I'd have to switch to turbo linux in order to use it, the chances are slim that I'll see it in action any time soon.
I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows.
hmm, that might have been the kase awhile back - but it sure doesn't seem to be the kase with my kurrent system.
I installed SuSE 9.1, and started using KDE as my primary desktop, being a former long time redhat/gnome user, also having used blackbox, icewm, xfce and others.
I find that kde 3.2.3 on suse 9.1 is very snappy, featureful and has lots of kool eye kandy. I could almost use konqueror for all my web browsing, but every once in awhile there will be some silly site that doesn't work correctly, so I'll resort to firefox or mozilla...
I've never had a problem with any version of bind on any operating system.
I have seen the bind 9 problem - if you are using a single CPU system you may never see a problem but a heavily loaded bind 9 on an SMP redhat system does die fairly often, and leaves a suicide note about a failed assertion. We use a cron job to check bind for signs of life every 3 minutes and restart if need be.
I don't think I've ever seen the problem on SuSE linux though...
While there is a great deal of compatability between Open Office and MS Office, there are still issues
LOL, there are issues with different versions of ms office trying to open a given document!
Seriously, I am obliged to exchange ms office docs with my superiors, and I've been using openoffice 1.1.1 on suse for awhile now - no problems, and no complaints.
Oh, I'm sure some shill will come up with a document that doesn't look right, but as I said, that is not the common case, and as I mentioned above, you even have that problem with different versions of ms office...
Linspire is of recent vintage and was the first to make desktop Linux feasible on the large scale.
I rather think that suse/novell have made desktop linux quite feasible, and IMHO would be a much better fit for serious widespread deployment - Linspire (nee lindows) is interesting, but I would characterize it more as an attempt to make desktop linux easy for Aunt Tillie and her nephew Joe Sixpack, than as any sort of "large scale" paradigm.
As well, most competent admins find the weak security of Linspire to be unacceptable - it essentially reduces linux to a windows level of security, with Aunt Tillie browsing the web and reading her email as root by default (YIKES!!!)
Talk about a disaster waiting to happen...
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Uh, you forgot the 6 months that it would take to figure out that you have to type that, and where to type that.
Er, 6 months? You just read it here, how big a secret can it be? This is basic noobie stuff. Where to type it? Finding the command prompt, again, is day one noobie stuff.
You also make a very naive but very common mistake, in assuming that everybody is somehow born knowing all sorts of arcane microsoft bs, but for some mysterious reason they must go scouring the internet to find out simple, beginner-level linux tasks
For most people, having one set of programs that cover exactly what they want to do is what they want. That's partly why Microsoft have done so well.
The reasons for microsoft's market success has far less to do with "offering what people want" than to the fact that they have a practical monopoly, and joe 6-pack who goes to kmart to buy a computer is unlikely to even hear that he has any choice but to use ms windoze.
Get a PC with Windows and Office and you can browse the web, do your e-mail, word processing and spreadsheet stuff.
I see - so, in that respect, ms windows is just like linux, OSX, or any other OS. Except of course, that the microsoft customer has the added expense of having to purchase ms office, as well as the neccessary ms windows virus protection...
hat's a really stupid argument. At least be rational with irrational arguments. I mean sure, I really need 5 different Word clones, none of which successfully open a complete word document...
Actually they are not "word clones" but word processors, and this may surprise you, but "opening a word doc" is not the ultimate goal of most people using one of these word processors. Different people have different needs, and so the choice is a good thing to have. As to the formatting problems in some complicated ms word docs opened with various word processors, guess what? even different versions of ms word can't open the same docs correctly. pot. kettle. black.
I do find though, that openoffice handles all the ms office files I've received lately - and when I edit them and send them back, the peecee users are none the wiser, and it never enters their head that I wasn't also using ms office.
If anything, Windows users are spoiled because they can click the install button and the program works.
hmm, OK... linux programs also come with installers that are activated with a click... and your point was...?
On the one hand, as you know, the majority of slashdotters use windozepeecees, and wmv makes sense for them.
On the other hand, the linux-using intelligentsia have no problem viewing wmv, quicktime, or any other relevant video format, as there are several linux media players to handle all audio and video formats of interest.
So bottom line, the video is accessible, and nobody is upset.
Your technical skills sound good - can you administer sendmail or postfix? familiar with bind, nfs, nis, ldap, ftp, rsync and other generic unix services? Have you any familiarity with other unix flavors? (e.g. solaris)
Can you suffer fools gladly, and be amicable with impatient and rude bosses who don't know nearly as much as you do?
Last but not least, are you in southern california?
Ha, I wish - I'd welcome the help - it seems impossible to find quality unix admins who know linux well - usually we get some joker in here who plasters his resume with buzzwords, but in reality never uses anything but windows - we quickly find out he's a phony and show him the door. There are some real linux savvy folks out there, but they are hard to find among all the posers...
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"Entwicklung" is such a great word...
The word SUSE is composed of the initials for "Software Systems and Development", or in German, "Software Systems und Entwicklung" - Entwicklung, of course, means "Development".
Of course when I hear SuSE, I always think of Siouxsie and the Banshees...
Cool beans!
If all the lame anonymous cowards would stfu and leave for good, the quality of the threads would be greatly enhanced....
How is it that a silly anonymous troll dumps a load of the same old flamebait crap which then gets modded as insightful?
Cygwin seems to offer a great deal more than this kludge appears to offer
So it would seem...
Ah, yes - Line.
Project status: alpha, since 2001...
Just out of curiosity, have you run any interesting linux programs, say, oracle 10g, ut2004, or the KDE desktop environment, on your windows pc via line?
he he... is it just me, or has the quality of the trolls been decreasing lately?
First you tout Wine, then you slam it. Make up your mind, kook.
LOL, when did I ever 'tout' wine? and when did I ever 'slam' it? I simply advocate using a tool fit for the task. While I think wine is a terribly clever hack, and I admire the wine developers for their skill and tenacity, I haven't had occasion to use wine for years. Others, however, are using it, and quite successfully, as a temporary kludge which allows them to run legacy windows applications on linux. Thus it can be a useful tool for those who have switched from windows to linux, but haven't yet settled on a replacement for some windows program or other.
But a database? please, be serious - there are a wealth of excellent, native linux databases, and simply no reason to bother with a virtual pc environment to run a windows database. If there were a demand, any demand at all for this, the wine developers would already be tuning the stack for this sort of thing.
But let's face it, legacy windows desktop apps (and unported windows games) are really the only meaningful application space for wine at present.
Of course you can run *x apps on Windows, and it's been possible for some time now.
er... If you have the source, and If you can get it to compile under cygwin, then maybe it will run -
but a native linux binary on windows? Sorry if you misunderstood, but sorry, no...
I know it's a bad idea to feed the trolls, but...
POSIX is a much smaller and better documented API than Win32.
Sorry to break this to you, anonymous coward, but simply implementing "a posix api" doesn't get you anywhere near a functional unix system, but merely some bones for a skeleton under construction...
PS: Let us when Wine runs MSSQL with any sort of reasonable performance. Oh, sorry, that won't happen.
Eh? what a bizzarre idea... why would anyone be interested? I mean, we can run Oracle, DB2, and other commercial, native linux databases, so what would be the point? Open source databases such as MySQL, PostgreSQL are much more suitable for serious work than futzing around with a virtual peecee environment to run a windows database.
Generally speaking, if a linux admin wants stable, high-performance apps, native linux executables are the only sane option, and there are plenty to choose from in the database arena.
GREAT Now I can have the ease-of-use of Linux apps combined with the operational stability of Windows!!
LOL that's a great point, but seriously... does microsoft actually suppose that people are moving to linux because of all those great apps? (snigger) such naivete is amusing... there are already all sorts of apps for windows, and I don't know of anybody, myself included, who has ever moved from windows to linux for the apps - no, the killer app of linux is linux itself, on the bare metal!
I talked with microsoft pr drones at linuxworld, where they were showing their unix emulator, watched their demo and asked their guys some easy questions:
No, it can't run X windows apps, let alone OpenGL apps.
No, it can't run native linux binaries - they have to be specifically compiled for this weird flavor of quasi-unix.
No, even basic unix commands such as "ifconfig" don't work, but the peecee equivalent "ipconfig" was substituted for it. (I forgot to ask them about drive letters, LOL)
How does this silly troll get modded as insightful?
Thank you, anonymous coward, for your troll, but a troll is no subsititute for reason and fact. If it's "much easier to put unix on windows" than vice versa as you claim, how do you explain away the rather disturbing fact thousands are now running windows applications on linux, while microsoft is still talking about pie in the sky vaporware that would allow linux apps to run on windows?
oops...
If you really think it's such a bad thing to have to pay for a commercial dvd player.
No, you're totally missing the point here. All the linux users I know can and do pay, gladly, for good stuff. What we aren't eager to is to pay for a closed source program that's not as good as the open source ones we already have...
I haven't seen this DVD software yet, and I'll reserve judgment about it until I see it in action - but, as I'd have to switch to turbo linux in order to use it, the chances are slim that I'll see it in action any time soon.
I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows.
hmm, that might have been the kase awhile back - but it sure doesn't seem to be the kase with my kurrent system.
I installed SuSE 9.1, and started using KDE as my primary desktop, being a former long time redhat/gnome user, also having used blackbox, icewm, xfce and others.
I find that kde 3.2.3 on suse 9.1 is very snappy, featureful and has lots of kool eye kandy. I could almost use konqueror for all my web browsing, but every once in awhile there will be some silly site that doesn't work correctly, so I'll resort to firefox or mozilla...
How does an erroneous question get modded as insightful?
Every gnome beta gets announced here as well, as all can easily verify...
I've never had a problem with any version of bind on any operating system.
I have seen the bind 9 problem - if you are using a single CPU system you may never see a problem but a heavily loaded bind 9 on an SMP redhat system does die fairly often, and leaves a suicide note about a failed assertion. We use a cron job to check bind for signs of life every 3 minutes and restart if need be.
I don't think I've ever seen the problem on SuSE linux though...
While there is a great deal of compatability between Open Office and MS Office, there are still issues
LOL, there are issues with different versions of ms office trying to open a given document!
Seriously, I am obliged to exchange ms office docs with my superiors, and I've been using openoffice 1.1.1 on suse for awhile now - no problems, and no complaints.
Oh, I'm sure some shill will come up with a document that doesn't look right, but as I said, that is not the common case, and as I mentioned above, you even have that problem with different versions of ms office...
Linspire is of recent vintage and was the first to make desktop Linux feasible on the large scale.
I rather think that suse/novell have made desktop linux quite feasible, and IMHO would be a much better fit for serious widespread deployment - Linspire (nee lindows) is interesting, but I would characterize it more as an attempt to make desktop linux easy for Aunt Tillie and her nephew Joe Sixpack, than as any sort of "large scale" paradigm.
As well, most competent admins find the weak security of Linspire to be unacceptable - it essentially reduces linux to a windows level of security, with Aunt Tillie browsing the web and reading her email as root by default (YIKES!!!)
Talk about a disaster waiting to happen...
Uh, you forgot the 6 months that it would take to figure out that you have to type that, and where to type that.
Er, 6 months? You just read it here, how big a secret can it be? This is basic noobie stuff. Where to type it? Finding the command prompt, again, is day one noobie stuff.
You also make a very naive but very common mistake, in assuming that everybody is somehow born knowing all sorts of arcane microsoft bs, but for some mysterious reason they must go scouring the internet to find out simple, beginner-level linux tasks
For most people, having one set of programs that cover exactly what they want to do is what they want. That's partly why Microsoft have done so well.
The reasons for microsoft's market success has far less to do with "offering what people want" than to the fact that they have a practical monopoly, and joe 6-pack who goes to kmart to buy a computer is unlikely to even hear that he has any choice but to use ms windoze.
Get a PC with Windows and Office and you can browse the web, do your e-mail, word processing and spreadsheet stuff.
I see - so, in that respect, ms windows is just like linux, OSX, or any other OS. Except of course, that the microsoft customer has the added expense of having to purchase ms office, as well as the neccessary ms windows virus protection...
hat's a really stupid argument. At least be rational with irrational arguments. I mean sure, I really need 5 different Word clones, none of which successfully open a complete word document...
Actually they are not "word clones" but word processors, and this may surprise you, but "opening a word doc" is not the ultimate goal of most people using one of these word processors. Different people have different needs, and so the choice is a good thing to have. As to the formatting problems in some complicated ms word docs opened with various word processors, guess what? even different versions of ms word can't open the same docs correctly. pot. kettle. black.
I do find though, that openoffice handles all the ms office files I've received lately - and when I edit them and send them back, the peecee users are none the wiser, and it never enters their head that I wasn't also using ms office.
If anything, Windows users are spoiled because they can click the install button and the program works.
hmm, OK... linux programs also come with installers that are activated with a click... and your point was...?
Hear hear - if the PowerPC systems had decent 3D video support for linux, I'd be running linux on mac now...
My kids browse the web by telnetting to port 80 from my model 33 teletype.
I see... and they listen to music by watching a silent movie of the speaker vibrating, right?
hmm, why would you say that?
On the one hand, as you know, the majority of slashdotters use windozepeecees, and wmv makes sense for them.
On the other hand, the linux-using intelligentsia have no problem viewing wmv, quicktime, or any other relevant video format, as there are several linux media players to handle all audio and video formats of interest.
So bottom line, the video is accessible, and nobody is upset.
Your technical skills sound good - can you administer sendmail or postfix? familiar with bind, nfs, nis, ldap, ftp, rsync and other generic unix services? Have you any familiarity with other unix flavors? (e.g. solaris)
Can you suffer fools gladly, and be amicable with impatient and rude bosses who don't know nearly as much as you do?
Last but not least, are you in southern california?
But then you'd take my job.
Ha, I wish - I'd welcome the help - it seems impossible to find quality unix admins who know linux well - usually we get some joker in here who plasters his resume with buzzwords, but in reality never uses anything but windows - we quickly find out he's a phony and show him the door. There are some real linux savvy folks out there, but they are hard to find among all the posers...
LOL - I know lots of people call any computer a pc, just as they would call an airbus a300 a chicken coop if it has chickens in it, but still....