huh? not sure what you mean by "pc's", as they are not dealing in pc operating systems, but linux.
I suppose a pc emulator could be set up via vmware or such, but now we're splitting hairs...
You do make a good point about removing the irrelevant choices, e.g. windows-only paraphanelia - it's nice to know that anything bought in that store will run on linux.
Until drivers install and work as well in linux as they do in wondows, it will never be mainstream.
I think you mean windows, but in any case, linux drivers are dead simple in my experience, either they are included out of the box, or install with just a mouse click or two, and no reboots, in contrast to microsoft windows. Of course, many vendors target only the windows-using masses, so they really need to improve their linux support. and linux users, at this point in time, need to be a bit more picky about hardware - it's not difficult, but you have to have your eyes open and not just buy whetever is being hyped.
For instance, for video cards, nvidia is a good word to know - in suse linux, it was a couple of mouse clicks to install the nvidia drivers, even easier than in windows. For sound cards, sound blaster is a good name to know, the sound cards tend to just work, no human intervention required.
Judging by how nicely my movies, music and video games look and feel on linux, I couldn't be happier with the quality of the drivers - but I understand the need for more, and hope to see that trend continue.
No offense, but that's a pretty ignorant statement, unless you know that "spam assassin" is indeed running, and what version, with what added rule packs, and what the scoring threshold is set at.
There's a wide range of things that could be called "spam assassin", but without competent administrators who keep the program and the rulesets up to date, the effectiveness can degrade significantly, especially in a vanilla install of an older version, that's never been trained.
Seriously, instead of trying to get a buggy emulator to work why don't you just install the games on a Windows partition.
Well, I'd rather not have to dual boot (ruins my 500 day uptimes), and in any case having a windows partition is a bit of a security risk. I used to run windows, but switched to linux, because I prefer the whole unix way of doing things. linux provides all the power and flexibility I crave, and the freedom is just the icing on the cake.
I play games, probably a bit too much of the 3D FPS, and I make a point of buying native linux games. I have no interest in buying any microsoft-only game, but prefer to keep my wallet closed until the game is available natively for linux.
They are SOL in more ways that that - I keep looking into mac linux, then find out that there is still no support for accelerated video, which immediately kills the idea - if macs had decent video support for linux, I'd buy several immediately.
Actually, if you run suse, it is one click... open yast, and click on the "install nvidia driver" checkbox in the online update, or during the install. Then go to video setup and check "enable 3D acceleration" and you're done - no manual file editing required.
The problems that cause this are fundamental and buried in the graphics architecture. Give me new graphics subsystem and I'll give you era of linux gaming.
Hello, dj245. meet DRI, the answer to your prayers. Native linux games (q3a, ut2004) which run flawlessly, really show off this excellent new linux graphics subsystem. (Well, tee hee, not so new, it's been part of linux distros for a few years, and I've been enjoying it for some time already).
So, the graphics power is here in a big way, but your problem, dear boy. is just that we need more natively written linux games, not emulation of peecee binaries.
I think Linux is great for government. As long as you standardize on something, that's all that counts, whether it's made by professionals at Microsoft or 16-year olds with a SourceForge page.
LOL, just curious, how did this silly mickeysoft fanboy crap get modded as interesting?
As far as I can see, Munich will be dealing with IBM and/or Novell/SuSE - I don't believe any of those firms employ 16 year olds...
As to the oft repeated silliness to the effect that linux vendors and developers are teenagers, I actually looked into it and found that the average linux kernel programmer is a 30-something, fully-employed engineer with a technical degree.
So much for stereotypes - sorry to ruin the fun...
Of course, then you have another problem. Who's going to wind up with the Unix IP rights after SCO's demise?
You're making the assumption that SCO actually owns any IP of interest -
There does seem to be evidence that they hold some sort of rights to the ancient 16-bit ancestral unix codebase, but other than bragging rights to the proverbial YOONIX(TM museum, I'm not sure there's much there.
There's been an ie skin for mozilla in the usual places, I was playing with it at least a year ago...
It's a hilarious hack, and makes it look a _lot_ like ie, but it's not a perfect emulation since there are no viruses, and popups are blocked, but otherwise, a pretty fair approximation.
These petty squabbles with lines like "I do not suffer fools gladly" is why MS dominates. All the does is (accurately) portray the OSS camp as a bunch of squabbling, temperamental individuals.
It's not clear at all what your point is here, if you have one... A CS Professor in the Netherlands quotes the old saw, saying that he "does not suffer fools gladly" - and this is connected to what you are saying, precisely how?
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Yeah I'd probably agree - all in all, intel cards give good performance, and generally just work with linux - and these days it's pretty easy to find motherboards with intel nics built in, as you mentioned, which suits me just fine since I have had the best linux performance/reliability over the years using intel chipsets & cpus.
I mean this in a non-flaim way, but apt-get through a cron job is a great way for you to wake up and find your system broken. You really should only run that manually and be aware of what packages are being installed. This is just a tip, use it the way you wish.
I guess it's all the the sources you point to - if you're pointing to flaky repositories, expect suprises now and then. But to suggest that the principle of automated updates is flawed, seems a bit over the top - OTOH, I suppose there's risk in anything, even leaving your house in the morning.
I woke up this morning and discovered I had the flash v7 web plugin on my fedora system, courtesy of the nightly apt-get cron job - coolness, it seems to be working fine.
I created myself a linux job by selling linux and openbsd solutions to one of my customers. Linux do a great job replacing aging and worm ridden NT servers.
That's an excellent business strategy, and I can tell you that there's a lot of business to be had just picking the low hanging fruit as you pointed out.
I've done a good deal of work for a local finance company which has been retiring ms windows servers and replacing them with suse linux. They are extremely happy with the improved reliability and performance.
The recent problems are making dual booting more of a dicey proposition than it was back in the day - but the problems can be mitigated to a certain extent if you at least use a separate physical disk for each OS.
But in all fairness, I would never dual boot any production server, for a number of reasons, so that's really a non-issue in the most serious case.
I used to dual boot linux and windows at home, but I eventually got my wife her own computer, and since then I have not used windows, nor dual booted, at home.
I did just install SUSE 9.1 on my company issued windows 2k laptop, and it's dual booting nicely, but that's because the company mandates the use of a certain windows-only application. I was curious about FC2, but after the reports I've been hearing, I think I'll just put FC2 on a dedicated test box for now, rather than risking the laptop data.
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Yes, I know there is a movement to loadable device drivers.....its not moving fast enough IMHO.
erm, that "movement" happened about 10 years ago. SLS first shipped with loadable kernel modules in 1995, and the other vendors quickly adopted the technology.
Gotta love the way these shills always want to compare the linux of 1994 with the microsoft windows of tomorrow -
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I wanted alsa so I could turn the bass down on my speakers and I wanted power management so I could turn off my computer from linux.
(shrug) any modern linux distro already comes with sound drivers and utilities, and power management.
It was educational, some of it was even fun, but I wouldn't have had to do that elsewhere.
Again, you didn't have to do any of that - but you chose to futz around with knoppix, rather than just installing a normal linux distro - and that's great since that's what you wanted to do, and you did it. but more to the point, with microsoft windows, you could not have done any of that even if you wanted to.
There is absolutely nothing to assure that what you get came from ximian, even if you trusted ximian not to get their website hacked and have a malicious script put up instead.
We are very suspicious aren't we? With that degree of paranoia, one would be essentially paralyzed, unable to trust anyone, or engage in any type of electronic commerce or online transaction.
I know I shouldn't feed trolls like this nutcase (especially an anonymous hit and run coward) but just for the record, over the past 10 years I've used and professionally administered solaris, irix, freebsd, and hpux, as well as a number of linux distros including slackware, suse, redhat{4-9}, rhel, fedora, and others.
I don't use ms windows on my own time, but I do sometimes use it at my day job for some menial, company mandated tasks.
Well, apart from license and money reasons, are there any grounds for using Linux on desktops?
There are plenty of reasons -
Linux is more secure, more reliable, performs excellently, and grants me much more flexibility than microsoft windows. Several of the available desktop environments are quite appealing, and I find them much less boring than expee.
I'll gladly pay for a linux distro to install over the microsoft windows that comes with most new systems these days.
The fact that I can download most distros for free is a nice bonus, but really, I don't mind paying, to get nice manuals, official media, and official support.
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If they only stock linux pc's
huh? not sure what you mean by "pc's", as they are not dealing in pc operating systems, but linux.
I suppose a pc emulator could be set up via vmware or such, but now we're splitting hairs...
You do make a good point about removing the irrelevant choices, e.g. windows-only paraphanelia - it's nice to know that anything bought in that store will run on linux.
Until drivers install and work as well in linux as they do in wondows, it will never be mainstream.
I think you mean windows, but in any case, linux drivers are dead simple in my experience, either they are included out of the box, or install with just a mouse click or two, and no reboots, in contrast to microsoft windows. Of course, many vendors target only the windows-using masses, so they really need to improve their linux support. and linux users, at this point in time, need to be a bit more picky about hardware - it's not difficult, but you have to have your eyes open and not just buy whetever is being hyped.
For instance, for video cards, nvidia is a good word to know - in suse linux, it was a couple of mouse clicks to install the nvidia drivers, even easier than in windows. For sound cards, sound blaster is a good name to know, the sound cards tend to just work, no human intervention required.
Judging by how nicely my movies, music and video games look and feel on linux, I couldn't be happier with the quality of the drivers - but I understand the need for more, and hope to see that trend continue.
No offense, but that's a pretty ignorant statement, unless you know that "spam assassin" is indeed running, and what version, with what added rule packs, and what the scoring threshold is set at.
There's a wide range of things that could be called "spam assassin", but without competent administrators who keep the program and the rulesets up to date, the effectiveness can degrade significantly, especially in a vanilla install of an older version, that's never been trained.
Seriously, instead of trying to get a buggy emulator to work why don't you just install the games on a Windows partition.
Well, I'd rather not have to dual boot (ruins my 500 day uptimes), and in any case having a windows partition is a bit of a security risk. I used to run windows, but switched to linux, because I prefer the whole unix way of doing things. linux provides all the power and flexibility I crave, and the freedom is just the icing on the cake.
I play games, probably a bit too much of the 3D FPS, and I make a point of buying native linux games. I have no interest in buying any microsoft-only game, but prefer to keep my wallet closed until the game is available natively for linux.
They are SOL in more ways that that - I keep looking into mac linux, then find out that there is still no support for accelerated video, which immediately kills the idea - if macs had decent video support for linux, I'd buy several immediately.
Actually, if you run suse, it is one click... open yast, and click on the "install nvidia driver" checkbox in the online update, or during the install. Then go to video setup and check "enable 3D acceleration" and you're done - no manual file editing required.
The problems that cause this are fundamental and buried in the graphics architecture. Give me new graphics subsystem and I'll give you era of linux gaming.
Hello, dj245. meet DRI, the answer to your prayers. Native linux games (q3a, ut2004) which run flawlessly, really show off this excellent new linux graphics subsystem. (Well, tee hee, not so new, it's been part of linux distros for a few years, and I've been enjoying it for some time already).
So, the graphics power is here in a big way, but your problem, dear boy. is just that we need more natively written linux games, not emulation of peecee binaries.
1) RE: Linux in Munich
I think Linux is great for government. As long as you standardize on something, that's all that counts, whether it's made by professionals at Microsoft or 16-year olds with a SourceForge page.
LOL, just curious, how did this silly mickeysoft fanboy crap get modded as interesting?
As far as I can see, Munich will be dealing with IBM and/or Novell/SuSE - I don't believe any of those firms employ 16 year olds...
As to the oft repeated silliness to the effect that linux vendors and developers are teenagers, I actually looked into it and found that the average linux kernel programmer is a 30-something, fully-employed engineer with a technical degree.
So much for stereotypes - sorry to ruin the fun...
Someone's gonna mod me down for trolling because I don't echo the Slashdot groupspeak on this. Oh well.
Ah, but that is the slashdot groupspeak - you're just one of the crowd, saying "so what, i got my windoze media player, who cares?"
On the other hand, folks like me love the idea of having more choices...
Granted, this crashme program, which requires local shell access, does seem to work in some cases.
However, it does not do so on suse linux 9.1 - it creates an unkillable process, but the system continues to run normally.
Of course, then you have another problem. Who's going to wind up with the Unix IP rights after SCO's demise?
You're making the assumption that SCO actually owns any IP of interest -
There does seem to be evidence that they hold some sort of rights to the ancient 16-bit ancestral unix codebase, but other than bragging rights to the proverbial YOONIX(TM museum, I'm not sure there's much there.
There's been an ie skin for mozilla in the usual places, I was playing with it at least a year ago...
It's a hilarious hack, and makes it look a _lot_ like ie, but it's not a perfect emulation since there are no viruses, and popups are blocked, but otherwise, a pretty fair approximation.
These petty squabbles with lines like "I do not suffer fools gladly" is why MS dominates. All the does is (accurately) portray the OSS camp as a bunch of squabbling, temperamental individuals.
It's not clear at all what your point is here, if you have one... A CS Professor in the Netherlands quotes the old saw, saying that he "does not suffer fools gladly" - and this is connected to what you are saying, precisely how?
Yeah I'd probably agree - all in all, intel cards give good performance, and generally just work with linux - and these days it's pretty easy to find motherboards with intel nics built in, as you mentioned, which suits me just fine since I have had the best linux performance/reliability over the years using intel chipsets & cpus.
And if I wanted 1 program for all my office needs, I'd use the shitty MS Works that comes with every computer these days...
That's a non-starter for me, as it doesn't work with linux...
I mean this in a non-flaim way, but apt-get through a cron job is a great way for you to wake up and find your system broken. You really should only run that manually and be aware of what packages are being installed. This is just a tip, use it the way you wish.
I guess it's all the the sources you point to - if you're pointing to flaky repositories, expect suprises now and then. But to suggest that the principle of automated updates is flawed, seems a bit over the top - OTOH, I suppose there's risk in anything, even leaving your house in the morning.
I woke up this morning and discovered I had the flash v7 web plugin on my fedora system, courtesy of the nightly apt-get cron job - coolness, it seems to be working fine.
I created myself a linux job by selling linux and openbsd solutions to one of my customers. Linux do a great job replacing aging and worm ridden NT servers.
That's an excellent business strategy, and I can tell you that there's a lot of business to be had just picking the low hanging fruit as you pointed out.
I've done a good deal of work for a local finance company which has been retiring ms windows servers and replacing them with suse linux. They are extremely happy with the improved reliability and performance.
it's largely irrelevant what platform it runs on
um, Oracle would beg to differ with you on that one - and speaking for myself as a customer, I am keenly interested in what platform it runs on...
The recent problems are making dual booting more of a dicey proposition than it was back in the day - but the problems can be mitigated to a certain extent if you at least use a separate physical disk for each OS.
But in all fairness, I would never dual boot any production server, for a number of reasons, so that's really a non-issue in the most serious case.
I used to dual boot linux and windows at home, but I eventually got my wife her own computer, and since then I have not used windows, nor dual booted, at home.
I did just install SUSE 9.1 on my company issued windows 2k laptop, and it's dual booting nicely, but that's because the company mandates the use of a certain windows-only application. I was curious about FC2, but after the reports I've been hearing, I think I'll just put FC2 on a dedicated test box for now, rather than risking the laptop data.
Yes, I know there is a movement to loadable device drivers.....its not moving fast enough IMHO.
erm, that "movement" happened about 10 years ago. SLS first shipped with loadable kernel modules in 1995, and the other vendors quickly adopted the technology.
Gotta love the way these shills always want to compare the linux of 1994 with the microsoft windows of tomorrow -
I wanted alsa so I could turn the bass down on my speakers and I wanted power management so I could turn off my computer from linux.
(shrug) any modern linux distro already comes with sound drivers and utilities, and power management.
It was educational, some of it was even fun, but I wouldn't have had to do that elsewhere.
Again, you didn't have to do any of that - but you chose to futz around with knoppix, rather than just installing a normal linux distro - and that's great since that's what you wanted to do, and you did it. but more to the point, with microsoft windows, you could not have done any of that even if you wanted to.
There is absolutely nothing to assure that what you get came from ximian, even if you trusted ximian not to get their website hacked and have a malicious script put up instead.
We are very suspicious aren't we? With that degree of paranoia, one would be essentially paralyzed, unable to trust anyone, or engage in any type of electronic commerce or online transaction.
I know I shouldn't feed trolls like this nutcase (especially an anonymous hit and run coward) but just for the record, over the past 10 years I've used and professionally administered solaris, irix, freebsd, and hpux, as well as a number of linux distros including slackware, suse, redhat{4-9}, rhel, fedora, and others.
I don't use ms windows on my own time, but I do sometimes use it at my day job for some menial, company mandated tasks.
Well, apart from license and money reasons, are there any grounds for using Linux on desktops?
There are plenty of reasons -
Linux is more secure, more reliable, performs excellently, and grants me much more flexibility than microsoft windows. Several of the available desktop environments are quite appealing, and I find them much less boring than expee.
I'll gladly pay for a linux distro to install over the microsoft windows that comes with most new systems these days.
The fact that I can download most distros for free is a nice bonus, but really, I don't mind paying, to get nice manuals, official media, and official support.