I didn't have to edit anything to get the nvidia drivers installed on suse 9.1 - just clicked on the "install nvidia drivers" checkbox and that was it.
With other distros e.g. fedora, you do have to edit XF86Config, but with suse, yast takes care of all those details for you.
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I've been using linux for some years, starting out with SLS in 1993, then moving to slack before the end of that year. I switched to redhat around 1997, and pretty much stayed with rh since then. I've looked at other distros, but always stayed with redhat.
I liked fedora core 1, it works pretty well for me and runs my apps, but I was keeping my eye on the market and looking at alternatives as usual. This week I switched my work desktop from redhat/fedora core 1 to Suse 9.1 - I'm impressed by the fact that everything "just works" with suse, and that it comes with absolutely everything but the kitchen sink. I installed the nvidia drivers with one click in the yast menu, and will be installing ut2004 after finals...
I'd tried mandrake numerous times over the years, and it always seemed "cute but flaky", whereas suse is more along the lines of "cute and solid".
Well, when someone says they went to all sort of bizzarre lengths to do some simple thing like install nvidia drivers, your first thought has got to be "did they click on the 'Install Nvidia Drivers' checkbox in yast?", and it almost invariably turns out that they hadn't tried that...
That being said, I've completely given up on ever installing drivers for my graphics card.... think I found a few forums talking about the same problem, and one of them seemed to solve it, but with strange methods that were beyond my ken.
Oh yeah, you mean the one where you click on the "Install Nvidia Drivers" checkbox in yast, right? yeah, that's really strange, I decided to click on that thingie, and then I had accelerated 3D next time I logged in.
I suppose I should actually bother to learn Linux, but everytime I open the console I black out, and wake up five hours later choking on my own tongue. Is that normal for a first time user?
Probably not - sounds like you need to stick to the GUI
I'm an IT professional. In my spare time I play FPS games such as UT2004, and do other fun stuff with my computer. I run Fedora core 1 on the desktop, and I've also been deploying FC1 to production servers, with excellent results. I've been migrating older RH servers to fedora, and consider it to be a fine, current linux distro. Is it the be-all and end-all of OSes? no, but neither is anything else I've ever seen.
If this were a microsoft product, we would not have heard of it until millions of windozepeecees were compromised, and microsoft finally issued a "service pack" (a microsoft euphemism for a bug fix) after denying for several months that there was any problem.
Does this seem like a bad thing to anyone? Wouldn't this give complete control over the entire system to some script from who knows exactly where without at least being able to look at it first?
I wouldn't say it's from who knows exactly where, in fact one may deduce from the url that it's in fact from go.ximian.com - if you want to see what the script does, you can download it to disc for analysis before running it.
I'd wager that ximian would be loath to cause any problems that would reflect negatively on their reputation.
it doesn't appear that Thunderbird is going to treat these as regular files that I can shuffle off into a 2004/ subdirectory at the end of the year.
Actually that's the nice part about the netscape/mozilla/thunderbird mail format, it's just plain old files, which are amenable to all the normal text utilities. I can even read my old mozilla mail folders using elm -f (folder name).
I moved all my own desktops and servers to fedora core 1, which is essentially Red Hat 9.1, and the fedora project does look to be supporting it for a couple of years at any rate. Plenty of time to decide on which distro to go with long term.
I find that FC1 does everything that RH 9 does, runs all the same apps, games etc, as well or better than RH9. I like FC1, but I will be buying SuSE 9.1 and giving it a hard look as a primary distro -
Some of my clients have begun moving all their linux servers to SuSE BTW
How long have Linux buffs been saying that "In a few years, Linux will overtake Windows..."
Dunno, I've never heard any linux vendor say that - but I do constantly hear anti-linux fudsters repeating that bit of nonsense over and over. LT himself spoke of a 10 year process, not for linux to replace windows, but to gain a non-negligible desktop market share. Of course, in the server market, Linux is already well established, and getting stronger every year.
Maybe I want to compile my kernel to get support for sound. Maybe I want to manually edit my X config files, bypassing all warnings about my monitor bursting into flames.
Sorry, Rip Van Winkle, you lost out years ago. Yeah, I remember back when you had to go through some pain to get sound working in Slackware so you could play doom with sound effects and music, and listen to CDs. I also remember the joys of putting on a pot of coffee and getting out the calculator and the monitor manual to come up with numbers fot the X11 modeline timings - but along about 1996 or so, modular sound drivers became the norm in linux, as did simple X setup programs that worked automagically during the install.
But as some may have pointed out, you can always install lfs or rock linux, if you like tweaking with the nuts and bolts. But if you're really such a hard core geek, why not do something more interesting, for instance take some real CS courses e.g. data structures, finite automata, operating systems, get familiar with the kernel, and start contributing something that will help the community, plus give you some very nice fodder for your resume ("Yes you are correct sir, I am the guy that ported the SGI realtime streaming I/O extensions to the linux kernel"..)
Okay, I even add: Linux on the desktop? Haven't they used OS X yet?;)
I've used OS X (shrug) and it's not bad. As an I.S. professional, I've also used SGI Indys, (very very cool) Sun workstations, HP-UX workstations, NeXT, and various flavors of windoze up to expee.
And you know what? After all the hype about how great expee is, and how great OS X is, I still find that linux suits me just fine - although I will admit that if there were no linux, I'd probably be using OS X now.
Actually you're 100% wrong here - in addition to Linux and AIX based systems, IBM ships a lot of windoze peecees and makes a lot of money on them, so they would naturally be more objective than a company such as, oh, say, mickeysoft - which is trying frantically to promote, market, hype and sell one and only one "os".
Let me try to put this in a way that you might understand: Let's say you go to a Fiat salesman working on commission - is he going to tell you the fine points of a lexus? no way.
On windows: 0. all updates 1. putty.exe 2. mozilla
and I'm all set - I don't really use windows for anything significant, but this covers all the contingencies.
On RH/Fedora Linux: 0. apt 1. all updates 2. nvidia video drivers 3. openvpn 4. Sun jvm 5. mplayer for DVDs and other multimedia 6. mplayer plugin for web-based video 7. Frozen Bubble 8. ut2004 & other FPS 9. update to latest version of the gimp
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?" Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in/tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit/etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"
LOL, nice try - (why am I even bothering to answer? oh well, must be bored I guess)
I remember when I bought the quake 3 arena boxed set for linux... IIRC that was back in 2000 - The drill went like this:
Insert the cd in my redhat 6.2 system, and when the file manager came up a second later with the CDROM, click on setup.sh, confirm the defaults with the gui installer that pops up, click OK and we're good to go. fraggin folks on the internet half an hour later.
Things haven't really changed that much - like the other day when I inserted the ut2004 cd in my fedora core 1 system, clicked on setup and was playing ut2004 a few minutes later.
LOL, what a dweeb - I've been using sound in linux since we were playing doom on slackware back in 1995. Yes, it was a bit of a chore to get sound configured back then, but since about 1997 the sound cards just work, on the distros I've used since then, suse and redhat/fedora for the most part.
I wonder if he deliberately chose some card known not to work in linux, or he made some basic blunder such as forgetting to unmute the sound (alsa comes muted by default)
Also, don't they use PowerPC processors and AIX. Yes, IBM make PPC among other hardware, and ship AIX among other OSes including OS390, linux and windows.
Does SuSE have a PowerPC port? I thought it was purely Intel. Linux has been cross platform since the early 1990s - Suse currently ships a distro for IBM mainframe, IBM Risc/PPC, IBM x-series hardware, and other platforms, as does Red Hat.
Red Hat 9 -> Fedora is not a feasiable option for mission critical business applications
For anyone who was running RH 9, Fedora Core 1 is a perfectly feasible option, since FC1 is basically RH 9.1 under new management, with the annoying bugs fixed, and with several new update methods, which can do everything up2date did and more.
I've already migrated a number of RH8/RH9 servers to FC1, noting improved performance and no downside whatever. Suse is certainly a solid choice, but don't act like FC1 is not an option.
In addition, the fedora legacy product gives businesses 2 full years of support, a decent time interval in which to decide their next move.
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I was a die-hard redhat user until redhat exited the free-software business.
cough! *fedora* cough!
There is no Red Hat 9.1, unless you mean Fedora Core 1 -
Alas, there is no upgrade path from RH to SuSE, you'll have to do a fresh install.
I didn't have to edit anything to get the nvidia drivers installed on suse 9.1 - just clicked on the "install nvidia drivers" checkbox and that was it.
With other distros e.g. fedora, you do have to edit XF86Config, but with suse, yast takes care of all those details for you.
I've been using linux for some years, starting out with SLS in 1993, then moving to slack before the end of that year. I switched to redhat around 1997, and pretty much stayed with rh since then. I've looked at other distros, but always stayed with redhat.
I liked fedora core 1, it works pretty well for me and runs my apps, but I was keeping my eye on the market and looking at alternatives as usual. This week I switched my work desktop from redhat/fedora core 1 to Suse 9.1 - I'm impressed by the fact that everything "just works" with suse, and that it comes with absolutely everything but the kitchen sink. I installed the nvidia drivers with one click in the yast menu, and will be installing ut2004 after finals...
I'd tried mandrake numerous times over the years, and it always seemed "cute but flaky", whereas suse is more along the lines of "cute and solid".
Well, when someone says they went to all sort of bizzarre lengths to do some simple thing like install nvidia drivers, your first thought has got to be "did they click on the 'Install Nvidia Drivers' checkbox in yast?", and it almost invariably turns out that they hadn't tried that...
That being said, I've completely given up on ever installing drivers for my graphics card. ...
think I found a few forums talking about the same problem, and one of them seemed to solve it, but with strange methods that were beyond my ken.
Oh yeah, you mean the one where you click on the "Install Nvidia Drivers" checkbox in yast, right? yeah, that's really strange, I decided to click on that thingie, and then I had accelerated 3D next time I logged in.
I suppose I should actually bother to learn Linux, but everytime I open the console I black out, and wake up five hours later choking on my own tongue. Is that normal for a first time user?
Probably not - sounds like you need to stick to the GUI
Hi Zeek.
I'm an IT professional. In my spare time I play FPS games such as UT2004, and do other fun stuff with my computer. I run Fedora core 1 on the desktop, and I've also been deploying FC1 to production servers, with excellent results. I've been migrating older RH servers to fedora, and consider it to be a fine, current linux distro. Is it the be-all and end-all of OSes? no, but neither is anything else I've ever seen.
If this were a Microsoft or Apple product...
If this were a microsoft product, we would not have heard of it until millions of windozepeecees were compromised, and microsoft finally issued a "service pack" (a microsoft euphemism for a bug fix) after denying for several months that there was any problem.
wget -q -O - http://go.ximian.com |sh
Does this seem like a bad thing to anyone? Wouldn't this give complete control over the entire system to some script from who knows exactly where without at least being able to look at it first?
I wouldn't say it's from who knows exactly where, in fact one may deduce from the url that it's in fact from go.ximian.com - if you want to see what the script does, you can download it to disc for analysis before running it.
I'd wager that ximian would be loath to cause any problems that would reflect negatively on their reputation.
it doesn't appear that Thunderbird is going to treat these as regular files that I can shuffle off into a 2004/ subdirectory at the end of the year.
Actually that's the nice part about the netscape/mozilla/thunderbird mail format, it's just plain old files, which are amenable to all the normal text utilities. I can even read my old mozilla mail folders using elm -f (folder name).
I do indeed archive my old mail by year as well.
It's been working fine, but up2date freezes on me.
Bah, I ditched up2date and went with apt - keep all the FC1 boxes up to date with a nightly apt-get cron job.
I moved all my own desktops and servers to fedora core 1, which is essentially Red Hat 9.1, and the fedora project does look to be supporting it for a couple of years at any rate. Plenty of time to decide on which distro to go with long term.
I find that FC1 does everything that RH 9 does, runs all the same apps, games etc, as well or better than RH9. I like FC1, but I will be buying SuSE 9.1 and giving it a hard look as a primary distro -
Some of my clients have begun moving all their linux servers to SuSE BTW
How long have Linux buffs been saying that "In a few years, Linux will overtake Windows..."
Dunno, I've never heard any linux vendor say that - but I do constantly hear anti-linux fudsters repeating that bit of nonsense over and over. LT himself spoke of a 10 year process, not for linux to replace windows, but to gain a non-negligible desktop market share. Of course, in the server market, Linux is already well established, and getting stronger every year.
Maybe I want to compile my kernel to get support for sound. Maybe I want to manually edit my X config files, bypassing all warnings about my monitor bursting into flames.
Sorry, Rip Van Winkle, you lost out years ago. Yeah, I remember back when you had to go through some pain to get sound working in Slackware so you could play doom with sound effects and music, and listen to CDs. I also remember the joys of putting on a pot of coffee and getting out the calculator and the monitor manual to come up with numbers fot the X11 modeline timings - but along about 1996 or so, modular sound drivers became the norm in linux, as did simple X setup programs that worked automagically during the install.
But as some may have pointed out, you can always install lfs or rock linux, if you like tweaking with the nuts and bolts. But if you're really such a hard core geek, why not do something more interesting, for instance take some real CS courses e.g. data structures, finite automata, operating systems, get familiar with the kernel, and start contributing something that will help the community, plus give you some very nice fodder for your resume ("Yes you are correct sir, I am the guy that ported the SGI realtime streaming I/O extensions to the linux kernel"..)
Okay, I even add: Linux on the desktop? Haven't they used OS X yet? ;)
I've used OS X (shrug) and it's not bad. As an I.S. professional, I've also used SGI Indys, (very very cool) Sun workstations, HP-UX workstations, NeXT, and various flavors of windoze up to expee.
And you know what? After all the hype about how great expee is, and how great OS X is, I still find that linux suits me just fine - although I will admit that if there were no linux, I'd probably be using OS X now.
Actually you're 100% wrong here - in addition to Linux and AIX based systems, IBM ships a lot of windoze peecees and makes a lot of money on them, so they would naturally be more objective than a company such as, oh, say, mickeysoft - which is trying frantically to promote, market, hype and sell one and only one "os".
Let me try to put this in a way that you might understand: Let's say you go to a Fiat salesman working on commission - is he going to tell you the fine points of a lexus? no way.
hmm, how could this silly troll be modded interesting?
Really, it's the same old ignorant crap we hear from the anti linux crowd all day long.
On windows:
0. all updates
1. putty.exe
2. mozilla
and I'm all set - I don't really use windows for anything significant, but this covers all the contingencies.
On RH/Fedora Linux:
0. apt
1. all updates
2. nvidia video drivers
3. openvpn
4. Sun jvm
5. mplayer for DVDs and other multimedia
6. mplayer plugin for web-based video
7. Frozen Bubble
8. ut2004 & other FPS
9. update to latest version of the gimp
Well, nowadays I have a p4-2800 with a gig of RAM - so, the install went pretty quickly...
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?" /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in
LOL, nice try - (why am I even bothering to answer? oh well, must be bored I guess)
I remember when I bought the quake 3 arena boxed set for linux... IIRC that was back in 2000 - The drill went like this:
Insert the cd in my redhat 6.2 system, and when the file manager came up a second later with the CDROM, click on setup.sh, confirm the defaults with the gui installer that pops up, click OK and we're good to go. fraggin folks on the internet half an hour later.
Things haven't really changed that much - like the other day when I inserted the ut2004 cd in my fedora core 1 system, clicked on setup and was playing ut2004 a few minutes later.
LOL, what a dweeb - I've been using sound in linux since we were playing doom on slackware back in 1995. Yes, it was a bit of a chore to get sound configured back then, but since about 1997 the sound cards just work, on the distros I've used since then, suse and redhat/fedora for the most part.
I wonder if he deliberately chose some card known not to work in linux, or he made some basic blunder such as forgetting to unmute the sound (alsa comes muted by default)
Very interesting... - sounds too strange to be true, could there be more to the story than what we are hearing?
Also, don't they use PowerPC processors and AIX.
Yes, IBM make PPC among other hardware, and ship AIX among other OSes including OS390, linux and windows.
Does SuSE have a PowerPC port? I thought it was purely Intel.
Linux has been cross platform since the early 1990s - Suse currently ships a distro for IBM mainframe, IBM Risc/PPC, IBM x-series hardware, and other platforms, as does Red Hat.
It's microsoft that's x86 only!
Red Hat 9 -> Fedora is not a feasiable option for mission critical business applications
For anyone who was running RH 9, Fedora Core 1 is a perfectly feasible option, since FC1 is basically RH 9.1 under new management, with the annoying bugs fixed, and with several new update methods, which can do everything up2date did and more.
I've already migrated a number of RH8/RH9 servers to FC1, noting improved performance and no downside whatever. Suse is certainly a solid choice, but don't act like FC1 is not an option.
In addition, the fedora legacy product gives businesses 2 full years of support, a decent time interval in which to decide their next move.
um hello?
How about you just take the defaults? problem solved.
Upgrade, $49.95 -