ISA Server huh? Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration Server? The one all the dweebs put in front of Exchange when management's looking the other way? That's not an application server, it's a proxy/firewall whose chief function is to generate revenue for Microsoft while providing zero real functionality.
the Apache team outdid themselves by providing a nice API that integrates nicely with most the commercial application servers such as Tomcat... How/wierd/ that the httpd team would shoot for functionality with another product from the Apache
Group..
DBAs find the performance lacking compared to Oracle's WebSphere And they are right: Oracle's Websphere is pretty slow - it doesn't freekin' exist so it doesn't run very fast AT ALL.
If Ximian would only release the.NET framework for Solaris we would definately be able to unleash some more serious functionality Looks like you and the team switch development and delivery platforms every 7 to 10 days. It seems like those Ximian people go out of their way to slow progress. BASTARDS!
definately Most everyone is definitely using a more recent version of definitely, which is nice. You can download it at www.m-w.com on the Internet.
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.
Following Apple-related discussions on Slashdot is like riding on a bus with no steering
Well said. To boot, making any true comment about Mac performance or Apple's performance as a company will get you modded Troll in a heartbeat by the Mac lurkers who think they're technologists.
a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux
=cough= dude. A fully operational linux desktop system can be brought to production in less than three hours. Couple of weeks? Ok, you're a little new at this, so just as an example for you, I have 4 linux and one freebsd systems operational on my home/office lan. I built over 14 Unix servers in 2003, all in operation now. Maintenance is pretty minimal. It takes more effort to keep my couple of win2k patched and "safe" than fix unix/linux problems. I would say most of my peers are roughly in a similar scenario. If you are spending that much time on one linux system, certainly you're going to have a bad impression of the process.
strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure Sorry but you're way way off base here. Linux today is a far superior system than Mac OS9. OSX has yet to prove itself. I made over $160K last year working with Linux and FreeBSD exclusively. My peers are the same - we don't have to justify anything to you!
Yes, and I have nothing against Apple, actually, the struggling company. The hardware design has been cutting edge for years, beautiful to look at. And the dual G5 is an awesome thing. I hope iTunes wins.
What I am sick of, is Mac users who think they're technologists. I've met plenty of them here and in real life, where they're writers, graphic designers, etc., but think they're technology people.
What I am sick of, is people who think Apple is this fantastic company when in reality over the past 12 years they've made tremendous errors in business. It's a wonder they're still alive.
What I'm sick of, is people running around saying how Macs "blow away" intel PCs in speed and performance. I can only remember three times when this has been the case, and the situation was erased when the next round of PC architecture came around 2 months later (as opposed to Apple's next round, 4 years later). Face it people: Apple makes consumer-grade equipment, nothing more. For the first time, in the G5, have we seen an Apple product that might be used for a serious computational task.
What I am sick of, is Mac aficionados and users who think they're enlightened, when in reality only a few people in the Apple camp are enlightened.
What I am sick of, is Mac people who've turned end user computing into a battle of camps -- it wasn't until you got so high and mighty about your relatively mediocre Macintosh computer. As to being called a Linux Zealot, that's not exactly true. I'm a FreeBSD, Linux, Standards, correctness, and truth zealot. This is the stuff I'm crazy about -- zealotry -- I take it as a compliment.
What I am sick of, is hearing the continuing narrow view of you Mac lovers. Only a small percentage of you have the testicles to pick up Mac OSx, and learn something over and above "control panels".
Let's talk about the hardware for a second. Sure it's pretty cool to look at. But it's strictly one-off end-user stuff. Have you ever tried to do system administration of Macs? The hardware is an incredible pain in the ass to deal with. You can't stack it, it doesn't stack. It takes up twice the room that it should. Ever try to put a keyboard on top of a G4? I've never seen cables pick up as much dirt and much as those mouse and keyboard cables. Ever tried to open a G4 in tight desk space? Boy I wish the cover just slid off but NO, it has to fucking swing open. Is it my imagination or were G4s only just a little faster than G3s.
Mod something a "troll" if it was obviously meant to illicit negative commentary, and to detract from fruitful discussion of the topic -- but not if you happen to disagree with the view. Modders: read the instructions - it's not about whether or not you agree with the poster's POV.
I actually hope that with the G5 architecture Apple begins a new era of prosperity. But given their past track record, it could be just another brilliant peak in a long string of struggles.
Now that the 4 people who switched their desktop from Linux to OSX have posted on Slashdot, gotten modded to 5, and finally gotten it all out of their system, can we just move on back to reality??
If you had trouble keeping your desktop computer working with Linux perhaps/you/ (and not Linux) have the problem. Yes, it can be difficult, but it works fine with a great majority of hardware where the vendor has maker has provided the specs. Maybe you just WEREN'T CUT OUT for the configuration challenge.
I'm sick of all you people who get sucked into OSX because the software interface looks pretty on top and Apple hardware's pretty to look at. Fairly, OSX is a baby OS. Very young. Not even close to the completeness of Linux or BSD, and won't be for a long time.
There they go using that unconstitutionally licensed OS again... with our tax dollars too... that will be able to perform a quadrillion calculations per second (one petaflop)...
That oughta give 'em the firepower to prototype the nuclear WMD that can surgically remove the state of Utah without bothering the neighbors.
Hopefully this means my inbox will be seeing less of these e-mails...
You mean, you're not filtering this shit out? If you're seeing Nigerian scam mail, you also must be seeing several other terabytes of spam. Dude you still have an "inbox"? My heart goes out to you 'Ndugu. Wait - you're not filtering this shit out?
Microsoft released Service Pack 9a for its Portable Media Center music device today, much to the relief of hundreds of thousands of Donny and Marie Osmond fans whose music files were being stolen by remote Chinese Linux users using an exploit recently found in the device's Portable Media Messenger Service.
Although Microsoft was quick to release the Security fix, they are still working hard to enlist other popluar music artists (besides Donny and Marie) into their roster of DRM'd Pay-for-Play music.
I still hang out here on/. because even though the modding is b0rked to the point that browsing "highest scores first" is no longer a guarantee of decent commentary, whatever news there is ( about Linux/BSD/DNS/Corporate Greed/techtoys/YRO) seems to end up here fastest...
I go to the NANOG list at
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/
if anything happens on the network, it's usually discussed within the hour there.. no stupid posts and important engineers post there.. and any discussions that end up being threads remain intelligent the way through.. I find that the postfix-users list is very intelligent as well.
Groklaw is the only other place I look, and also eff.org which I support, and mini-itx.com... but anyway/. can be such a ridiculous time sink just wading through the bullshit. My recent passion is meta-moderating just about anything moderated funny as unfunny because most of the time that's the problem. There's no radio buttons I can push to alleviate my problem with MacOS9 people who think they're technologists.
At least the DOJ continues to check on Microsoft compliance on a regular basis.
Let's not forget that 9 states are objecting to the flimsy DOJ ruling and may overturn it locally. Additionally, the market may readjust in the coming 24 months or so, and rearrange Microsoft's dominance without the DOJ's assistance.
Today, the combined state of RedHat/Enterprise, SuSE/IBM, and OpenOffice, have started a huge push which will steamroll, garnering support (and dollars) from both small business and corporate end users. Steve Ballmer has become publicly shrill and irrational. Samba v3 tested faster than Win2k/AD.
Progress on this is like the minute hand- you can't really see it moving, but it's moving.
If what you say it true, realize that almost everyone does not have the ability to do this, and relies on public education, which should be administered without stepping on our constitutional rights. The introduction of this tagging system introduces many problems, and a large potential for abuse.
By self-schooling you solved a personal problem. You also turned your back on your own society in the same step. If you object to schools run by our government (and other related institutions), then use your smarts to help improve and change this country.
No, some schools may be like that. But not where my son goes. And it isn't because parents like me have an active voice with our community leaders, and face to face contact with the principal and teacher.
Any education that occurs during this process is a side-effect.
No, maybe where you are, not here (Westchester, New York). The emphasis is 100% education, it is completely non-political.
It is a question of education the municipalities involved - they are ultimately in charge of what is allowed in the classroom. You're screaming on/. that a and b are wrong. Useless. Work face to face with teacher, principal, and community/state leaders. Write your senator and congressman. Act, don't complain.
This RFID shit will not fly in my district, do not let it happen in yours.
In the business climate, you should only be considered a "Linux specialist" if you have designed, deployed, maintained, or extended production Linux platforms in real life.
Additionally, there should be some track record, say over two years, of professional or technical services delivery either in Linux or another Operating Platform, UNIX, not Windows or Novell.
Finally and most importantly, should be able to provide at least two business references resulting from completed or ongoing projects.
All this would be Real [TM] as opposed to say, the Microsoft "Partner" thing where you need 2 MCPs on staff, a fee, and, uh, that's all.
To my mind, the successful business reference is the best certification anyone can have.
an MX record is supposed to point to a host running an SMTP server
It should point to a host that receives mail for a domain. That is not to say that this host also sends mail.
Political correctness or less spam
Has to do with neither!!
give the record a higher MX distance
If you mean MX preference number, those mean something only in relation to each other and little else. Spam is arriving at all domain MX hosts regardless of pref. Shit, I've even seen spammers sending a HELO of my MTA's IP Address!
Hardly nobody on here knows shit technically speaking yourself excluded Nonesuch/GRIN/, and are ready to slit your throat if you say one wrong (read: probably true) thing about Apple.
The guy talking about TLS whitelisting and certificate mgmt by trusted orgs of each other's certs is probably the crystal ball guy in the bunch. I'll check out the ASRG thing... I hadn't heard about it so thanks.
The colossal false premise in all of this is that SMTP is going to do the job of messaging into the future. That is has lasted this long is a miracle -- already the effort going into maintaining it is beginning to outweigh the benefits.
There is too spam, so we fired everyone in IT. We've got some temps, led by secretaries, who will now rebuild and maintain all AT+T messaging platforms. Please send your IP addresses as we will need to ping you next week to see if you're still a Parntner/Customer.
The items you mention were of course in there, but my take on the Peruvian answer was that the Government (and the people) must A) be able to see what is inside their software for reasons of security and also to ensure that the government has no special interest in the purchase of the product, and B) that the government should never be beholden to a business interest for maintenance, repair, or availability of the tools it uses, when those tools are used to serve the taxpayer and house private information like tax/medicare records.
It was for these reasons that in addition to being a fantastic answer from Villanueva to the MS FUD, that the shotgun was momentarily pointed at the U.S Government for having so many proprietary systems. Also let's not forget Germany as an early adopter of these principles.
Radio stations keep playlists. They pay based on airplay. You didn't know that? So do data network based streamers like somafm.com - read their site, and contribute to their costs if you enjoy that music.
Sadly, under the current system, the artists get screwed. They get painfully little of any airplay royalties anyhow. They tolerate this in the hopes of becoming famous:)
Slashdot Mirror
ISA Server
/wierd/ that the httpd team would shoot for functionality with another product from the Apache
.NET framework for Solaris we would definately be able to unleash some more serious functionality
huh? Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration Server? The one all the dweebs put in front of Exchange when management's looking the other way? That's not an application server, it's a proxy/firewall whose chief function is to generate revenue for Microsoft while providing zero real functionality.
the Apache team outdid themselves by providing a nice API that integrates nicely with most the commercial application servers such as Tomcat...
How
Group..
DBAs find the performance lacking compared to Oracle's WebSphere
And they are right: Oracle's Websphere is pretty slow - it doesn't freekin' exist so it doesn't run very fast AT ALL.
If Ximian would only release the
Looks like you and the team switch development and delivery platforms every 7 to 10 days. It seems like those Ximian people go out of their way to slow progress. BASTARDS!
definately
Most everyone is definitely using a more recent version of definitely, which is nice. You can download it at www.m-w.com on the Internet.
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.
That's a parody?? I guest it was, in your mind:)
Following Apple-related discussions on Slashdot is like riding on a bus with no steering
Well said. To boot, making any true comment about Mac performance or Apple's performance as a company will get you modded Troll in a heartbeat by the Mac lurkers who think they're technologists.
a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux
/office lan. I built over 14 Unix servers in 2003, all in operation now. Maintenance is pretty minimal. It takes more effort to keep my couple of win2k patched and "safe" than fix unix/linux problems. I would say most of my peers are roughly in a similar scenario. If you are spending that much time on one linux system, certainly you're going to have a bad impression of the process.
=cough= dude. A fully operational linux desktop system can be brought to production in less than three hours. Couple of weeks? Ok, you're a little new at this, so just as an example for you, I have 4 linux and one freebsd systems operational on my home
strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure
Sorry but you're way way off base here. Linux today is a far superior system than Mac OS9. OSX has yet to prove itself. I made over $160K last year working with Linux and FreeBSD exclusively. My peers are the same - we don't have to justify anything to you!
Yes, and I have nothing against Apple, actually, the struggling company. The hardware design has been cutting edge for years, beautiful to look at. And the dual G5 is an awesome thing. I hope iTunes wins.
What I am sick of, is Mac users who think they're technologists. I've met plenty of them here and in real life, where they're writers, graphic designers, etc., but think they're technology people.
What I am sick of, is people who think Apple is this fantastic company when in reality over the past 12 years they've made tremendous errors in business. It's a wonder they're still alive.
What I'm sick of, is people running around saying how Macs "blow away" intel PCs in speed and performance. I can only remember three times when this has been the case, and the situation was erased when the next round of PC architecture came around 2 months later (as opposed to Apple's next round, 4 years later). Face it people: Apple makes consumer-grade equipment, nothing more. For the first time, in the G5, have we seen an Apple product that might be used for a serious computational task.
What I am sick of, is Mac aficionados and users who think they're enlightened, when in reality only a few people in the Apple camp are enlightened.
What I am sick of, is Mac people who've turned end user computing into a battle of camps -- it wasn't until you got so high and mighty about your relatively mediocre Macintosh computer. As to being called a Linux Zealot, that's not exactly true. I'm a FreeBSD, Linux, Standards, correctness, and truth zealot. This is the stuff I'm crazy about -- zealotry -- I take it as a compliment.
What I am sick of, is hearing the continuing narrow view of you Mac lovers. Only a small percentage of you have the testicles to pick up Mac OSx, and learn something over and above "control panels".
Let's talk about the hardware for a second. Sure it's pretty cool to look at. But it's strictly one-off end-user stuff. Have you ever tried to do system administration of Macs? The hardware is an incredible pain in the ass to deal with. You can't stack it, it doesn't stack. It takes up twice the room that it should. Ever try to put a keyboard on top of a G4? I've never seen cables pick up as much dirt and much as those mouse and keyboard cables. Ever tried to open a G4 in tight desk space? Boy I wish the cover just slid off but NO, it has to fucking swing open. Is it my imagination or were G4s only just a little faster than G3s.
Mod something a "troll" if it was obviously meant to illicit negative commentary, and to detract from fruitful discussion of the topic -- but not if you happen to disagree with the view. Modders: read the instructions - it's not about whether or not you agree with the poster's POV.
I actually hope that with the G5 architecture Apple begins a new era of prosperity. But given their past track record, it could be just another brilliant peak in a long string of struggles.
Now that the 4 people who switched their desktop from Linux to OSX have posted on Slashdot, gotten modded to 5, and finally gotten it all out of their system, can we just move on back to reality??
/you/ (and not Linux) have the problem. Yes, it can be difficult, but it works fine with a great majority of hardware where the vendor has maker has provided the specs. Maybe you just WEREN'T CUT OUT for the configuration challenge.
If you had trouble keeping your desktop computer working with Linux perhaps
I'm sick of all you people who get sucked into OSX because the software interface looks pretty on top and Apple hardware's pretty to look at. Fairly, OSX is a baby OS. Very young. Not even close to the completeness of Linux or BSD, and won't be for a long time.
There they go using that unconstitutionally licensed OS again... with our tax dollars too. .. that will be able to perform a quadrillion calculations per second (one petaflop)...
That oughta give 'em the firepower to prototype the nuclear WMD that can surgically remove the state of Utah without bothering the neighbors.
Hopefully this means my inbox will be seeing less of these e-mails ...
You mean, you're not filtering this shit out? If you're seeing Nigerian scam mail, you also must be seeing several other terabytes of spam. Dude you still have an "inbox"? My heart goes out to you 'Ndugu. Wait - you're not filtering this shit out?
why just yesterday... damn, innovation's kicking ASS this quarter!!
Dateline August 23, 2004
Microsoft released Service Pack 9a for its Portable Media Center music device today, much to the relief of hundreds of thousands of Donny and Marie Osmond fans whose music files were being stolen by remote Chinese Linux users using an exploit recently found in the device's Portable Media Messenger Service.
Although Microsoft was quick to release the Security fix, they are still working hard to enlist other popluar music artists (besides Donny and Marie) into their roster of DRM'd Pay-for-Play music.
The main reason I can see is mod_perl.
... it just doesn't work. v2.x is a rewrite. Still a baby and has to pay its dues in the field for a while :)
As another person said, it's not supported (yet).
Understatement... try compiling it in
I still hang out here on /. because even though the modding is b0rked to the point that browsing "highest scores first" is no longer a guarantee of decent commentary, whatever news there is ( about Linux/BSD/DNS/Corporate Greed/techtoys/YRO) seems to end up here fastest...
... but anyway /. can be such a ridiculous time sink just wading through the bullshit. My recent passion is meta-moderating just about anything moderated funny as unfunny because most of the time that's the problem. There's no radio buttons I can push to alleviate my problem with MacOS9 people who think they're technologists.
I go to the NANOG list at
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/
if anything happens on the network, it's usually discussed within the hour there.. no stupid posts and important engineers post there.. and any discussions that end up being threads remain intelligent the way through.. I find that the postfix-users list is very intelligent as well.
Groklaw is the only other place I look, and also eff.org which I support, and mini-itx.com
-end of rant-
l8r!!
You are completely correct, sorry.. man they should have modded me down for this and you up. I'm starting to seee how fucked UP the system is.
At least the DOJ continues to check on Microsoft compliance on a regular basis.
Let's not forget that 9 states are objecting to the flimsy DOJ ruling and may overturn it locally. Additionally, the market may readjust in the coming 24 months or so, and rearrange Microsoft's dominance without the DOJ's assistance.
Today, the combined state of RedHat/Enterprise, SuSE/IBM, and OpenOffice, have started a huge push which will steamroll, garnering support (and dollars) from both small business and corporate end users. Steve Ballmer has become publicly shrill and irrational. Samba v3 tested faster than Win2k/AD.
Progress on this is like the minute hand- you can't really see it moving, but it's moving.
If what you say it true, realize that almost everyone does not have the ability to do this, and relies on public education, which should be administered without stepping on our constitutional rights. The introduction of this tagging system introduces many problems, and a large potential for abuse.
By self-schooling you solved a personal problem. You also turned your back on your own society in the same step. If you object to schools run by our government (and other related institutions), then use your smarts to help improve and change this country.
What legacy are you leaving your own children?
No, some schools may be like that. But not where my son goes. And it isn't because parents like me have an active voice with our community leaders, and face to face contact with the principal and teacher.
/. that a and b are wrong. Useless. Work face to face with teacher, principal, and community/state leaders. Write your senator and congressman. Act, don't complain.
Any education that occurs during this process is a side-effect.
No, maybe where you are, not here (Westchester, New York). The emphasis is 100% education, it is completely non-political.
It is a question of education the municipalities involved - they are ultimately in charge of what is allowed in the classroom. You're screaming on
This RFID shit will not fly in my district, do not let it happen in yours.
No child of mine will be tagged or branded. Is this school or a concentration camp??
How long have these scientists been keeping these fish TO THEMSELVES???
Only one small part of it.
In the business climate, you should only be considered a "Linux specialist" if you have designed, deployed, maintained, or extended production Linux platforms in real life.
Additionally, there should be some track record, say over two years, of professional or technical services delivery either in Linux or another Operating Platform, UNIX, not Windows or Novell.
Finally and most importantly, should be able to provide at least two business references resulting from completed or ongoing projects.
All this would be Real [TM] as opposed to say, the Microsoft "Partner" thing where you need 2 MCPs on staff, a fee, and, uh, that's all.
To my mind, the successful business reference is the best certification anyone can have.
So? Add an MX record pointing to the SMTP client.
But that's not what MX records are for.
an MX record is supposed to point to a host running an SMTP server
It should point to a host that receives mail for a domain. That is not to say that this host also sends mail.
Political correctness or less spam
Has to do with neither!!
give the record a higher MX distance
If you mean MX preference number, those mean something only in relation to each other and little else. Spam is arriving at all domain MX hosts regardless of pref. Shit, I've even seen spammers sending a HELO of my MTA's IP Address!
Hardly nobody on here knows shit technically speaking yourself excluded Nonesuch /GRIN/, and are ready to slit your throat if you say one wrong (read: probably true) thing about Apple.
The guy talking about TLS whitelisting and certificate mgmt by trusted orgs of each other's certs is probably the crystal ball guy in the bunch. I'll check out the ASRG thing... I hadn't heard about it so thanks.
The colossal false premise in all of this is that SMTP is going to do the job of messaging into the future. That is has lasted this long is a miracle -- already the effort going into maintaining it is beginning to outweigh the benefits.
Why not use the MX?
In large mta deployments the mx is hardly ever the sending mta.
I read between the lines as:
Greetings Customers and Partners,
There is too spam, so we fired everyone in IT. We've got some temps, led by secretaries, who will now rebuild and maintain all AT+T messaging platforms. Please send your IP addresses as we will need to ping you next week to see if you're still a Parntner/Customer.
Best regards,
"
The items you mention were of course in there, but my take on the Peruvian answer was that the Government (and the people) must A) be able to see what is inside their software for reasons of security and also to ensure that the government has no special interest in the purchase of the product, and B) that the government should never be beholden to a business interest for maintenance, repair, or availability of the tools it uses, when those tools are used to serve the taxpayer and house private information like tax/medicare records.
It was for these reasons that in addition to being a fantastic answer from Villanueva to the MS FUD, that the shotgun was momentarily pointed at the U.S Government for having so many proprietary systems. Also let's not forget Germany as an early adopter of these principles.
Huh?
:)
Radio stations keep playlists. They pay based on airplay. You didn't know that? So do data network based streamers like somafm.com - read their site, and contribute to their costs if you enjoy that music.
Sadly, under the current system, the artists get screwed. They get painfully little of any airplay royalties anyhow. They tolerate this in the hopes of becoming famous