To use Linux for it's own sake might have some reward but considering how difficult it is to do a good job with good tools, is it worth your time concentrating on the mechanics of filmmaking instead of the film itself? What's your time worth? Just getting the audio right would be a pain using D.I.Y. Linux tools.
Just get a Mac, even something cheap like an eMac. Use iMovie, outgrow it, then invest in Final Cut Express for $500. Spend that saved time working on your film instead of your tools.
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Jesus. Yes, get out of this business. You have no business being here. Why? Because I don't have a positive attitude towards software development and I might put something out that isn't up to the standards of the programming guild? Woah. Heaven forbid that there's some software out there that isn't like it's from God's own hand. Hey, M$ has turned sub-standard coding into an art.
Being here... And where exactly is that? In the Linux Open Source community? A bunch of programmers working for free trying to play catch-up with a homemade version of a 30 year old OS? In the IT industry, where it's turning into a 21st century combination of ditch digging, janitorial services and baby sitting?
Sure, there's occasions where the work rises to the level of Art. But for the most part, we're as boring as accountants and insurance salesmen, in more comfortable clothes. Hey, I've been doing this for a long time. I wrote my first hello.c in 1978. I've tried to keep things at the highest level, writing code like poetry, embracing the Zen. Guess what? For the most part, almost nobody cares. They gripe about the length of time it took to do things "right" (and don't want to pay for it), wouldn't know quality if it bit 'em on the nose (witness the huge growth of M$, Wal-Mart and H1-B seat fillers), or the beauty is buried beneath the surface - what an elegant hashing routine you've written!
So yes, maybe it's time to get out. But not because "here" doesn't think I'm up to standards and not contributing to the wide, wonderful world of computers. I just look back at the things I've written and 98% of it is gone, delete, obsolete, served it's purpose, and terribly outdated.
In the world of Glass, Metal, Wood, and Stone, there's a chance of something having some lasting value, at least from an aesthetic point of view. I know that if I took up wood carving tomorrow that the world wouldn't be beating a path to my door. The majority would be griping about the time it took, wouldn't want to pay for it, or wouldn't appreciate the beauty beneath. But at least it would have a bit more staying power. Even just a little. The shelf life of most programming work is next to nothing.
Yes, it's made money, I've been able to build a life, raise great kids and for that I'm grateful. Maybe that's legacy enough. It's just feeling a bit empty.
You could good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it!
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It's wierd and all but the woodwork is very nice. I especially like the roof. For most of us writing software all day, it's nice to see things crafted out of steel and wood. Something real, not made from bits that are on the road to being obsolete and forgotten as soon as it's built.
I don't think I'd have carpentry skills but I'm considering getting out of programming and doing something with atoms. Glassblowing seems like it would be fun and rewarding. Certainly more fun than declaring my two millionth variable....
I'm using a HyperLink omni and amp on a 20 foot mast on top of a two story farmhouse. The amp is fed by an Airport base station. My rev. A iBook gets 2mb from 2 miles away with it's internal antenna if it can LOS the antenna.
I'm in rural flatland Indiana so it's pretty easy to spot the house and antenna from far away.
I'm running below legal power limit but I'm feeding the antenna with a 75 ft. feed from the amp so I'm very sub optimal. Gotta get things spiffier in the spring but for now, it's cold out there. No way I'm going up on the roof for a couple months.
Yes, I've heard of it. And like most things, M$ didn't invent squat. (Well, actually they did invent the squat but that's another story).
XENIX was AT&T Unix v7, with the work done (mainly doing s/UNIX/XENIX/g) in Toronto by HCR - Human Computing Resources which leveraged much of the work from talent at Univ. of Waterloo.
I had eye surgery at two and a half and remember the black rubber anesthesia mask and the sickly sweet ether. This was in '58 back when they still used that stuff.
Yeah, I know the pattern. We all do by now. I was attempting to diffuse poor humor by not following the expected format, considering that Russia was actually relevant to the thread. Nyet!
I worked at Bell Labs for a few years. After that experience, it doesn't puzzle me how telcos can have a monopoly, more captive customers than they can handle, and still "loose money". It's not lost, it's looted. In front of the building (in Holmdel NJ), a limo would sit for a half hour or more waiting for the Pres. of the Labs to arrive by helicopter. The copter would land, the limo would drive him 3000 feet to the door, then take off. Amazing.
The primary concern for management was getting the latest org chart to see their progress up the pyramid. I was a bottom feeder/ consultant and I think there was at least 25 levels of management between me and limo boy. No wonder Lucent is in the shape it's in. An army of talent, led by a crush of PHB's all trying to move up the food chain.
It was a constant cycle of projects started, brought almost to the point of completion and then boom. A new manager, a departmental re-org, and all of the work tossed in the dumpster, deleted of of the machines because they were allocated to another department, or just left to rot. Everyone had stories about how cool this or that project was and then got cancelled. Very few stories of successful, shipping products. Look at what happened to Unix! They couldn't even figure out what to do with it. Tossed around until it was finally sold off so they could make the numbers for the quarter.
One bright spot, they did have pretty good coffee.
It was probably just a shipping container filled with old pinball machine parts. They collect on the insurance and reuse the original components in another bird. It's a tough world, you gotta make money any way you can.
Considering that this is a weak Apple thread and the editors refuse to post my Ask Slashdot: post, I'll hijack this article and post it here....
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask), and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you recommend as the top ten X11 apps? I know there's things like the GIMP, but beyond things like desktop managers, what does the Linux community run under X11 (or X on X, or XFree86) that gives them a smug feeling of superiority? I can't think of 10, can you?
On the other hand, the newly redesigned zappa.com supplies a constant (free) stream of random zappamusic. While it's not the entire catalog online for free, high fidelity download, it's better than an icepick in the forehead.
Prelude to Joe's Garage == Eventually it was discovered That God Did not want us to be All the same
This was Bad News For the Governments of The World As it seemed contrary To the doctrine of Portion Controlled Servings
Mankind must be made more uniformly If The Future Was going to work
Various ways were sought To bind us all together But, alas Same-ness was unenforceable
It was about this time That someone Came up with the idea of Total Criminalization
Based on the principle that If we were All crooks We could at last be uniform To some degree In the eyes of The Law
Shrewdly our legislators calculated That most people were Too lazy to perfom a Real Crime So new laws were manufactured Making it possible for anyone To violate them any time of the day or night, And Once we had all broken some kind of law We'd all be in the same big happy club Right up there with the President, The most exalted industrialists, And the clerical big shots Of all your favorite religions
Total Criminalization Was the greatest idea of its time And was vastly popular Except with those people Who didn't want to be crooks or outlaws,
So, of course, they had to be Tricked Into It . .. Which is one of the reasons why Music Was eventually made Illegal. --- Miss you FZ.
...is it really THAT big of a deal? Yes. Like many of you, I own my own domain. I used to be able to enter a specific email address (slashdot@ _ _ _.com) when I signed up somplace. All email to my domain comes to me. It was a handy tool. Yesterday, I reached a new record, 2078 spams trapped by my filter. That guy should be strung up.
Figures. I gave an email address to the developers link on the fossil site, hoping to get some insight on writing apps for the thing. Within an hour I got an email from fossil.com welcoming me to their "Fossil Collector's Club" , trying to sell me watches. Screw them and their worthless little trinkets.
Like KC and the Sunshine Band? The Captain and Tenille?
Actually, if you listen to the "hit" KC songs, in headphones, not from the car radio, there's some pretty high production value there. Nice, tight horn arrangements. I was never a Tenille fan but he did do some nice Arp work on the first album.
There will come a time, sooner than you would think, that we'll miss hearing music with that level of musicianship and production value. Much of it from that era was actually performed using real musicians and singers that could hit the notes without being digitally pitch-tweezed. Then there's Etta James who could kick anybody's ass.
Now, look at this conversation....
By now you would think that we should all have meta-library access at this point and I could easily have added an audio link to that neat little synth break in "Muskrat Love" (an example only..please).
The music keepers don't want to allow that. We can't have a net-based dialog that's includes music. We should be able to do that and have access to all of that data at a next to nothing price. I know that every needs a cut but there's a lot of people out there. I can't believe that even at a penny a play they wouldn't be making untold piles of money and "stealing" music would seem absurd and totally uneconomical.
And anyway, how many music streams can 1 person listen to at a time? Pretty much 1 song at a time.
They would eliminate the desire to save files locally by making the stream cheap, simple, and quick. Sure, some people might want to archive a file or two but so what?
This all seems like a win-win-win. Just like the Qwest commercial; "anything song ever written" on the jukebox. (if this was implemented, I could have just given you the link to the audio clip)
The need for copy protection is eliminated. Providers get instant demographics and plenty of "value-added" ability if you want somebody's mix.
The record companies would make more money (they love that):
Looking at my iTunes library, with the music I have, it averages 15 songs per hour. The above average person would listen to say, 8 hours of the audio stream. 8 hours x 15 songs x.01 = $1.20 a day, $36 bucks a month. Even at 2 cents a hit, that's a pretty good revenue stream (??? profit! ). And if I had ~instant access to audio-everything, I'd probably be streaming more than 8 hours a day.
Wouldn't you sign up for a penny a song? Why can't they do that?
This seems dumb. 8 year olds with Linux? You must have gotten the contract based only on price. The approval board didn't bother to think that there would not be any software beyond the OS? The kids would probably be happier with the Apples.
It's not a matter of the US being militarily weak and therefore vulnerable. If the US was some 4th world neighbor to an aggressor then maybe that argument would hold. We have more to offer with our tech abilities than to develop ways of effective killing. If we took our tech prowess and applied it to other endeavors, say helping feed the hungry, providing them with a means for clean water, an education, just helped them improve their lives instead of raping what resources they have and then turning people into dust, maybe then the incentive for aggression would be minimized or eliminated. But no. There's money to be made. Fsck them, we deserve to rule the world. I've got a Book right here that says God thinks it's our destiny. Face it, the US is a deranged, sick country and we deserve to get our asses kicked into the stone age.
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To use Linux for it's own sake might have some reward
but considering how difficult it is to do a good job with
good tools, is it worth your time concentrating on the
mechanics of filmmaking instead of the film itself?
What's your time worth? Just getting the audio right
would be a pain using D.I.Y. Linux tools.
Just get a Mac, even something cheap like an eMac.
Use iMovie, outgrow it, then invest in Final Cut Express
for $500. Spend that saved time working on your film
instead of your tools.
Jesus. Yes, get out of this business. You have no business being here.
Why? Because I don't have a positive attitude towards
software development and I might put something out that isn't
up to the standards of the programming guild? Woah. Heaven
forbid that there's some software out there that isn't like it's from
God's own hand. Hey, M$ has turned sub-standard coding
into an art.
Being here... And where exactly is that? In the Linux Open Source
community? A bunch of programmers working for free trying to play
catch-up with a homemade version of a 30 year old OS? In the IT
industry, where it's turning into a 21st century combination of ditch digging,
janitorial services and baby sitting?
Sure, there's occasions where the work rises to the level of Art. But for the
most part, we're as boring as accountants and insurance salesmen,
in more comfortable clothes. Hey, I've been doing this for a long time. I wrote
my first hello.c in 1978. I've tried to keep things at the highest level, writing
code like poetry, embracing the Zen. Guess what? For the most part, almost
nobody cares. They gripe about the length of time it took to do things "right"
(and don't want to pay for it), wouldn't know quality if it bit 'em on the nose
(witness the huge growth of M$, Wal-Mart and H1-B seat fillers), or the
beauty is buried beneath the surface - what an elegant hashing routine
you've written!
So yes, maybe it's time to get out. But not because "here" doesn't
think I'm up to standards and not contributing to the wide, wonderful world
of computers. I just look back at the things I've written and 98% of it is gone,
delete, obsolete, served it's purpose, and terribly outdated.
In the world of Glass, Metal, Wood, and Stone, there's a chance of
something having some lasting value, at least from an aesthetic point of view.
I know that if I took up wood carving tomorrow that the world wouldn't be
beating a path to my door. The majority would be griping about the time
it took, wouldn't want to pay for it, or wouldn't appreciate the beauty beneath.
But at least it would have a bit more staying power. Even just a little. The
shelf life of most programming work is next to nothing.
Yes, it's made money, I've been able to build a life, raise great kids and for
that I'm grateful. Maybe that's legacy enough. It's just feeling a bit empty.
Learn how to spell "weird"
It's a colloquialism. Something weird & wired.
Similar to crufty.
You could good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it!
It's wierd and all but the woodwork is very nice.
I especially like the roof. For most of us writing
software all day, it's nice to see things crafted
out of steel and wood. Something real, not made
from bits that are on the road to being obsolete
and forgotten as soon as it's built.
I don't think I'd have carpentry skills but I'm considering
getting out of programming and doing something with
atoms. Glassblowing seems like it would be fun and
rewarding. Certainly more fun than declaring my two
millionth variable....
Nice work guys.
A google search finds this text in usatoday.com
This isn't your story, you're just a pro-war troll.
Hang you by your toes.
Propaganda bullshit.
I'm using a HyperLink omni and amp on a 20 foot mast on
top of a two story farmhouse. The amp is fed by an Airport
base station. My rev. A iBook gets 2mb from 2 miles away
with it's internal antenna if it can LOS the antenna.
I'm in rural flatland Indiana so it's pretty easy to spot the
house and antenna from far away.
I'm running below legal power limit but I'm feeding the
antenna with a 75 ft. feed from the amp so I'm very
sub optimal. Gotta get things spiffier in the spring
but for now, it's cold out there. No way I'm going up
on the roof for a couple months.
This guy seems like a incredible tool.
The pile of fuzzy photos, even of the FedEx guy.
His iPod and Palm on the bookshelf, tilted towards the camera. Oohh look what I bought!
A cheezy self portrait with him, his ht, and his haircut.
"Saving" $10K a year on an extra car pmt. and insurance.
That's something like a $750 car payment. Screw him.
If he does have any friends, I wouldn't like them either.
Yeah. What a tool.
They already did. Ever heard of XENIX?
Yes, I've heard of it. And like most things, M$ didn't
invent squat. (Well, actually they did invent the squat
but that's another story).
XENIX was AT&T Unix v7, with the work done (mainly
doing s/UNIX/XENIX/g) in Toronto by HCR - Human
Computing Resources which leveraged much of the
work from talent at Univ. of Waterloo.
I had eye surgery at two and a half and remember the
black rubber anesthesia mask and the sickly sweet
ether. This was in '58 back when they still used that stuff.
Yeah, I know the pattern. We all do by now.
I was attempting to diffuse poor humor by not
following the expected format, considering that Russia
was actually relevant to the thread. Nyet!
I worked at Bell Labs for a few years. After that experience, it doesn't puzzle me how telcos can have a monopoly, more
captive customers than they can handle, and still "loose money". It's not lost, it's looted. In front of the building (in Holmdel NJ),
a limo would sit for a half hour or more waiting for the Pres. of the Labs to arrive by helicopter. The copter would land, the limo
would drive him 3000 feet to the door, then take off. Amazing.
The primary concern for management was getting the latest org chart to see their progress up the pyramid. I was a bottom feeder/
consultant and I think there was at least 25 levels of management between me and limo boy. No wonder Lucent is in the shape it's
in. An army of talent, led by a crush of PHB's all trying to move up the food chain.
It was a constant cycle of projects started, brought almost to the point of completion and then boom. A new manager, a departmental
re-org, and all of the work tossed in the dumpster, deleted of of the machines because they were allocated to another department, or
just left to rot. Everyone had stories about how cool this or that project was and then got cancelled. Very few stories of successful,
shipping products. Look at what happened to Unix! They couldn't even figure out what to do with it. Tossed around until it was finally
sold off so they could make the numbers for the quarter.
One bright spot, they did have pretty good coffee.
...they fsck up sat launches!
It was probably just a shipping container filled with
old pinball machine parts. They collect on the
insurance and reuse the original components in
another bird. It's a tough world, you gotta make
money any way you can.
Considering that this is a weak Apple thread and the editors refuse to post
my Ask Slashdot: post, I'll hijack this article and post it here....
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask),
and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you
recommend as the top ten X11 apps? I know there's things
like the GIMP, but beyond things like desktop managers,
what does the Linux community run under X11 (or X on X,
or XFree86) that gives them a smug feeling of superiority?
I can't think of 10, can you?
Beg pardon comrade, but according to The Eleventh Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary the correct form would be "doubleplusungood" .
As in:
reporting bb minitrue doubleplusungood refs wifi slashdot unpersons rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling
Is this thing real?
Nah, can't be.
On the other hand, the newly redesigned zappa.com
supplies a constant (free) stream of random zappamusic.
While it's not the entire catalog online for free,
high fidelity download, it's better than an icepick
in the forehead.
Prelude to Joe's Garage
.
==
Eventually it was discovered That God
Did not want us to be All the same
This was Bad News
For the Governments of The World
As it seemed contrary To the doctrine of
Portion Controlled Servings
Mankind must be made more uniformly
If The Future Was going to work
Various ways were sought To bind us all together
But, alas Same-ness was unenforceable
It was about this time That someone
Came up with the idea of Total Criminalization
Based on the principle that If we were All crooks
We could at last be uniform To some degree
In the eyes of The Law
Shrewdly our legislators calculated
That most people were Too lazy to perfom a Real Crime
So new laws were manufactured
Making it possible for anyone
To violate them any time of the day or night,
And Once we had all broken some kind of law
We'd all be in the same big happy club
Right up there with the President,
The most exalted industrialists,
And the clerical big shots
Of all your favorite religions
Total Criminalization
Was the greatest idea of its time
And was vastly popular
Except with those people
Who didn't want to be crooks or outlaws,
So, of course, they had to be
Tricked Into It . .
Which is one of the reasons why
Music
Was eventually made
Illegal.
---
Miss you FZ.
...is it really THAT big of a deal?
Yes. Like many of you, I own my own domain.
I used to be able to enter a specific email address
(slashdot@ _ _ _.com) when I signed up somplace.
All email to my domain comes to me. It was a handy tool.
Yesterday, I reached a new record, 2078 spams
trapped by my filter. That guy should be strung up.
In the coming police state, maybe the best thing to do is to be a cop.
Figures. I gave an email address to the developers
link on the fossil site, hoping to get some insight
on writing apps for the thing. Within an hour I
got an email from fossil.com welcoming me to
their "Fossil Collector's Club" , trying to sell
me watches. Screw them and their worthless
little trinkets.
Likewise. I'm Bill Romanowski, and don't play football.
I get hate mail and autograph requests every so often.
Like KC and the Sunshine Band? The Captain and Tenille?
.01 = $1.20 a day, $36 bucks a month. Even at 2 cents
Actually, if you listen to the "hit" KC songs, in headphones, not from the
car radio, there's some pretty high production value there.
Nice, tight horn arrangements. I was never a Tenille fan but
he did do some nice Arp work on the first album.
There will come a time, sooner than you would think, that we'll miss hearing
music with that level of musicianship and production value. Much of it from
that era was actually performed using real musicians and singers that
could hit the notes without being digitally pitch-tweezed. Then there's
Etta James who could kick anybody's ass.
Now, look at this conversation....
By now you would think that we should all have meta-library access at this point
and I could easily have added an audio link to that neat little synth break
in "Muskrat Love" (an example only..please).
The music keepers don't want to allow that. We can't have a net-based
dialog that's includes music. We should be able to do that and have access
to all of that data at a next to nothing price. I know that every needs a
cut but there's a lot of people out there. I can't believe that even
at a penny a play they wouldn't be making untold piles of money and
"stealing" music would seem absurd and totally uneconomical.
And anyway, how many music streams can 1 person listen to at a time?
Pretty much 1 song at a time.
They would eliminate the desire to save files locally by making the stream cheap,
simple, and quick. Sure, some people might want to archive a file or two but so what?
This all seems like a win-win-win.
Just like the Qwest commercial; "anything song ever written" on the jukebox.
(if this was implemented, I could have just given you the link to the audio clip)
The need for copy protection is eliminated.
Providers get instant demographics and plenty of "value-added" ability
if you want somebody's mix.
The record companies would make more money (they love that):
Looking at my iTunes library, with the music I have, it averages 15 songs per hour.
The above average person would listen to say, 8 hours of the audio stream.
8 hours x 15 songs x
a hit, that's a pretty good revenue stream (??? profit! ). And if I had ~instant
access to audio-everything, I'd probably be streaming more than 8 hours a day.
Wouldn't you sign up for a penny a song? Why can't they do that?
This seems dumb.
8 year olds with Linux?
You must have gotten the contract based only on price.
The approval board didn't bother to think that there
would not be any software beyond the OS?
The kids would probably be happier with the
Apples.
It's not a matter of the US being militarily weak and
therefore vulnerable. If the US was some 4th world
neighbor to an aggressor then maybe that argument
would hold. We have more to offer with our tech abilities
than to develop ways of effective killing. If we took our
tech prowess and applied it to other endeavors, say
helping feed the hungry, providing them with a means
for clean water, an education, just helped them improve
their lives instead of raping what resources they have
and then turning people into dust, maybe then the incentive
for aggression would be minimized or eliminated.
But no. There's money to be made. Fsck them, we deserve
to rule the world. I've got a Book right here that says
God thinks it's our destiny. Face it, the US is a deranged,
sick country and we deserve to get our asses kicked
into the stone age.