I've never put much stock in their TCO arguments (consider the source), but the other night it really hit me: I needed to install a web server that a scripting language and database connectivity. The usual solution on the Linux side is Apache, PHP, MySQL. Windows is IIS with ASP/ASP.NET and either Access, MSDE, SQL Server or even MySQL if I wanted to get really weird.
Databases aside, what really drove my decision to go with IIS/MSDE was that the prospect of having to deal with all the quirks and lengthy install times of Apache, MySQL, PHP and then getting them all to work together wasn't very appetizing to me. I didn't want to spend the entire night just to get to the point where I can see phpinfo() working.
Right, its called "defense in depth". So he really should use the builtin firewall on each of the Fisher Price OS servers and workstations.
I'm sorry you feel that running an OS is some kind of machismo thing. Would you like some stubble glitter for Christmas? I despise OS bigots. They're unprofessional, bullheaded and usually wrong.
On the other hand, anyone using a windows-based firewall as a perimeter defense is a complete moron. You either use some firewall-in-a-box, and for bigger networks, you use some *BSD or Linux.
Nobody said to load Windows Firewall and let it sit. Remember the constraints this guy has- he needs to to work for $100 or less. So he gets a firewall for free that is application-aware. Cool. Now he has host based firewalls and he still has his $100. Hell, he could go to Best Buy, pick up a router for $40, and take his Significant Other out to dinner.
No, this is at the very least PART of the correct answer - the money has already been invested in the Windows servers. That money is already been spent and gone. He's trying to protect these boxes.
Now then, apart from firewalls, what is one of the other Best Practices one can do for protecting a system?
Survey says... PATCH YOUR SYSTEM. Gee, guess what SP1 does, genius? Apart from providing a fairly decent firewall it... PATCHES THE SYSTEM.
Those who don't understand systems shouldn't talk down to those whom they think don't understand networks.
I've been in a number of bands, and I can tell you every time- although we'd love to give our music away, there's a lot of costs associated with being in a recording band. We're very DIY, but even then there's costs involved and unless you're willing to eat several hundred to a grand of two of costs, you're going to be looking to charge for your music.
instruments and amps. effects. cables. microphones. strings. sticks. drum heads. costs of recording, mixing, mastering and duplication. getting to and from gigs (believe me, the money from playing the local club and bar scene doesn't exactly make me want to quit my job). We drove once for 4 hours to play at a gig. We wound up playing at 2AM and got $25 for the whole thing. It would have been $20, but the owner took pity on us for having to drive so far to play.
I think the last time we make an EP, it costs us a little over a grand and we recorded everything ourselves. Recording software, storage, hardware mixer, microphones, cables. Oh and we need a place to record that has decent acoustic qualities. Finally, we sent the rough mix to a friend of ours who was a sound engineer so we don't sound like we literally recorded the EP in our garage. While he gave us a huge discount, we still had to pay him for his time and effort.
We still needed the CDs duped, and burning them at home is fine for onesy-twosey, but duping a few hundred at home is insanity. Artwork for the CD and insert, because we don't want to be giving out Memorex CD-Rs to people who just ponied up a whopping $5 for the CD. We came up with our own artwork, but the duplication house charges a little extra for silkscreening the CDs and printing the inserts.
Oh, let's not forget promotional stuff- flyers just don't print themselves. Want T-shirts? Jeez, there's a hefty up-front investment, and you better have some awesome artwork on it if you plan on selling them all. I ate that entire cost myself and sold the shirts for only a couple of bucks over my costs. Many shirts were given away to other bands we played with, and just about any girl who flashed us while we were playing.
Still, a buck a song (5 song EP) isn't isn't exactly extortion, and we were able to recoup the costs of recording, engineering and duping to be able to order a second batch of CDs. If we were looking to make real money off of this, we'd be charging twice that, but we were only looking to break even.
Nope. Didn't even say that (marvellous how people are reading things in my posts that aren't there).
I said that people who knock military service are usually too afraid to try it. I didn't say that it would be a good thing for everyone. I've seen people who enlisted where they didn't make the cut, but at least they tried.
18k hike? I think some of the dotheads here would accuse you of trying to do some kind of Bataan death march.
It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't gone through it, especially when they're so fed with propaganda, Hollywood and just wrong information. I actually had someone ask me once if I had to march around the barracks grabbing my crotch and singing "this is my rifle, this is my gun".
Did I say I was ever beaten or scared into improving myself? No.
The Army gave me the opportunity to see what I was capable of accomplishing, and at risk of sounding like an old Army commercial "be all that I can be". None of that involved getting hit (except during pugil stick training) or being scared into doing something. Neither of those techniques create a quality soldier.
I'm white, and come from an upper middle class family. Went to high school in a "bedroom community" town full of other white semi-rich to rich people. Like many other idle bored teenagers, I was lazy, undisiplined and didn't give a crap about today or tomorrow. Sure, I was in AP classes, but never studied or applied myself, so barely skated by on test scores and quizzes. My GPA was embarassing. Spent all my time growing my hair, and debating the virtues of Metallica vs Megadeth. Suddenly, school was over and I had no idea what to do next.
I floated from mediocre job to mediocre job for a while waffling in despair, when I received a call from a recruiter that I spoke to once while in high school. I signed up for 4 years and volunteered for the infantry. I got exactly what I needed: self-confidence and discipline. When I got out, I had the drive to go out and accomplish whatever I set my sights on.
Now? I'm senior systems engineer for a $3 billion dollar firm. I'm in charge of a $40 million dollar network. I'm happily married. None of thi would have happened without the military. People who knock service are usually the ones too afraid to try it. But that's OK because the military will protect them too. We always have and always will.
Now, my parents hadn't agreed to that, and neither did I. I quit that day, not wanting to be "special need" drafted as a sniper.
How were you going to be drafted if the draft was abolished? You're either naive or have an extremely large ego if you think the Army would just up and take you, give you a Ghillie suit and send you out in the field based on your ablity to shoot a paper target with a.22. Sniping is a lot more than just the ability to put a hole in a target at a distance. Possibly even more important than the ability to shoot is fieldcraft, and that can take years to develop properly.
Incidentially, I was an Army sniper. I speak from experience.
Absolutely not. Even Rumsfeld, in a rare fit of intelligence, has said that he doesn't want draftees. Why? Because you get a slew of unmotivated conscripts which drags down the quality of your force. Why draft when you have a large number of intelligent, motivated volunteers?
There's a hell of a lot more to military life than walking around carrying a rifle. It's highly technical and challenging, even for the "dumb grunt".
Closest competitor I can think of is AudienceView. While they have a lot of features, I haven't been totally impressed with their software.
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You're awfully generous with other people's time. You must work in management.
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You're assuming that 1) the admin in question has the time to build a "pristine, locked down image", and 2) has the time to constantly update said image and all the other hosts that have to be updated as well. If he had that kind of time, he wouldn't have to have a "pristine, locked down image" to begin with.
Languishing? They posted over 9 BILLION in sales. They came a few million short on a projection. Excatly how do you prove that Microsoft's stock is stagnating? they closed today up over 3 points.
Let's not pretend that Windows is the only OS out there that has problems. I can pull up last night's firewall logs and see Slapper hits. What say you about that?
Can the fact that Microsoft is involved with a project totally negate the fact that it's fighting crime and Open Source.
Let's exchange Microsoft with say... The BSD Project.
Headline: "The BSD Team releases Open Source tool to help fight Child Porn"
Slashdot: "Oh this is the greatest thing in the world! Hugz and kisses!", then then many lengthy 'me too' posts on how Open Source really, really rules and this is the kind of stuff that will put OS on the map.
Some Slashdot users: "In Soviet Russia, child porn fights you!"
I don't need more of you drunk bastards clogging up the streets down here. The taxis and gawkers make it bad enough.
If they'd cancel/move DEFCON, I'd be able to breathe a lot easier (if not from the hordes of script kiddies not being here, at least from the masses of unwashed bodies being somewhere else)
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I've never put much stock in their TCO arguments (consider the source), but the other night it really hit me: I needed to install a web server that a scripting language and database connectivity. The usual solution on the Linux side is Apache, PHP, MySQL. Windows is IIS with ASP/ASP.NET and either Access, MSDE, SQL Server or even MySQL if I wanted to get really weird.
Databases aside, what really drove my decision to go with IIS/MSDE was that the prospect of having to deal with all the quirks and lengthy install times of Apache, MySQL, PHP and then getting them all to work together wasn't very appetizing to me. I didn't want to spend the entire night just to get to the point where I can see phpinfo() working.
Judging from the sheer number of zombie boxes trying to guess my SSH passwords, the number may suprise you.
Ask- no, DEMAND- for your money back.
Right, its called "defense in depth". So he really should use the builtin firewall on each of the Fisher Price OS servers and workstations.
I'm sorry you feel that running an OS is some kind of machismo thing. Would you like some stubble glitter for Christmas? I despise OS bigots. They're unprofessional, bullheaded and usually wrong.
On the other hand, anyone using a windows-based firewall as a perimeter defense is a complete moron. You either use some firewall-in-a-box, and for bigger networks, you use some *BSD or Linux.
Nobody said to load Windows Firewall and let it sit. Remember the constraints this guy has- he needs to to work for $100 or less. So he gets a firewall for free that is application-aware. Cool. Now he has host based firewalls and he still has his $100. Hell, he could go to Best Buy, pick up a router for $40, and take his Significant Other out to dinner.
No, this is at the very least PART of the correct answer - the money has already been invested in the Windows servers. That money is already been spent and gone. He's trying to protect these boxes.
Now then, apart from firewalls, what is one of the other Best Practices one can do for protecting a system?
Survey says... PATCH YOUR SYSTEM. Gee, guess what SP1 does, genius? Apart from providing a fairly decent firewall it... PATCHES THE SYSTEM.
Those who don't understand systems shouldn't talk down to those whom they think don't understand networks.
I've been in a number of bands, and I can tell you every time- although we'd love to give our music away, there's a lot of costs associated with being in a recording band. We're very DIY, but even then there's costs involved and unless you're willing to eat several hundred to a grand of two of costs, you're going to be looking to charge for your music.
instruments and amps. effects. cables. microphones. strings. sticks. drum heads. costs of recording, mixing, mastering and duplication. getting to and from gigs (believe me, the money from playing the local club and bar scene doesn't exactly make me want to quit my job). We drove once for 4 hours to play at a gig. We wound up playing at 2AM and got $25 for the whole thing. It would have been $20, but the owner took pity on us for having to drive so far to play.
I think the last time we make an EP, it costs us a little over a grand and we recorded everything ourselves. Recording software, storage, hardware mixer, microphones, cables. Oh and we need a place to record that has decent acoustic qualities. Finally, we sent the rough mix to a friend of ours who was a sound engineer so we don't sound like we literally recorded the EP in our garage. While he gave us a huge discount, we still had to pay him for his time and effort.
We still needed the CDs duped, and burning them at home is fine for onesy-twosey, but duping a few hundred at home is insanity. Artwork for the CD and insert, because we don't want to be giving out Memorex CD-Rs to people who just ponied up a whopping $5 for the CD. We came up with our own artwork, but the duplication house charges a little extra for silkscreening the CDs and printing the inserts.
Oh, let's not forget promotional stuff- flyers just don't print themselves. Want T-shirts? Jeez, there's a hefty up-front investment, and you better have some awesome artwork on it if you plan on selling them all. I ate that entire cost myself and sold the shirts for only a couple of bucks over my costs. Many shirts were given away to other bands we played with, and just about any girl who flashed us while we were playing.
Still, a buck a song (5 song EP) isn't isn't exactly extortion, and we were able to recoup the costs of recording, engineering and duping to be able to order a second batch of CDs. If we were looking to make real money off of this, we'd be charging twice that, but we were only looking to break even.
Nope. Didn't even say that (marvellous how people are reading things in my posts that aren't there).
I said that people who knock military service are usually too afraid to try it. I didn't say that it would be a good thing for everyone. I've seen people who enlisted where they didn't make the cut, but at least they tried.
Why haven't you?
18k hike? I think some of the dotheads here would accuse you of trying to do some kind of Bataan death march.
It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't gone through it, especially when they're so fed with propaganda, Hollywood and just wrong information. I actually had someone ask me once if I had to march around the barracks grabbing my crotch and singing "this is my rifle, this is my gun".
Did I say I was ever beaten or scared into improving myself? No.
The Army gave me the opportunity to see what I was capable of accomplishing, and at risk of sounding like an old Army commercial "be all that I can be". None of that involved getting hit (except during pugil stick training) or being scared into doing something. Neither of those techniques create a quality soldier.
I'll chime in with my story...
I'm white, and come from an upper middle class family. Went to high school in a "bedroom community" town full of other white semi-rich to rich people. Like many other idle bored teenagers, I was lazy, undisiplined and didn't give a crap about today or tomorrow. Sure, I was in AP classes, but never studied or applied myself, so barely skated by on test scores and quizzes. My GPA was embarassing. Spent all my time growing my hair, and debating the virtues of Metallica vs Megadeth. Suddenly, school was over and I had no idea what to do next.
I floated from mediocre job to mediocre job for a while waffling in despair, when I received a call from a recruiter that I spoke to once while in high school. I signed up for 4 years and volunteered for the infantry. I got exactly what I needed: self-confidence and discipline. When I got out, I had the drive to go out and accomplish whatever I set my sights on.
Now? I'm senior systems engineer for a $3 billion dollar firm. I'm in charge of a $40 million dollar network. I'm happily married. None of thi would have happened without the military. People who knock service are usually the ones too afraid to try it. But that's OK because the military will protect them too. We always have and always will.
Now, my parents hadn't agreed to that, and neither did I. I quit that day, not wanting to be "special need" drafted as a sniper.
.22. Sniping is a lot more than just the ability to put a hole in a target at a distance. Possibly even more important than the ability to shoot is fieldcraft, and that can take years to develop properly.
How were you going to be drafted if the draft was abolished? You're either naive or have an extremely large ego if you think the Army would just up and take you, give you a Ghillie suit and send you out in the field based on your ablity to shoot a paper target with a
Incidentially, I was an Army sniper. I speak from experience.
Absolutely not. Even Rumsfeld, in a rare fit of intelligence, has said that he doesn't want draftees. Why? Because you get a slew of unmotivated conscripts which drags down the quality of your force. Why draft when you have a large number of intelligent, motivated volunteers?
There's a hell of a lot more to military life than walking around carrying a rifle. It's highly technical and challenging, even for the "dumb grunt".
And I suppose you've furthered the fight by not eathing Kung Pao chicken, right?
Closest competitor I can think of is AudienceView. While they have a lot of features, I haven't been totally impressed with their software.
You're awfully generous with other people's time. You must work in management.
You're assuming that 1) the admin in question has the time to build a "pristine, locked down image", and 2) has the time to constantly update said image and all the other hosts that have to be updated as well. If he had that kind of time, he wouldn't have to have a "pristine, locked down image" to begin with.
Haven't released an OS since 2001? What is this Windows2003 thing I've been running?!
Languishing? They posted over 9 BILLION in sales. They came a few million short on a projection. Excatly how do you prove that Microsoft's stock is stagnating? they closed today up over 3 points.
I'm sorry, the Geoge Lucas of the 70's knew about pacing. Episodes IV, V, and VI were very fast and snappy.
But Lucas only directed Episode IV. V and VI were only produced by him.
Let's not pretend that Windows is the only OS out there that has problems. I can pull up last night's firewall logs and see Slapper hits. What say you about that?
Yeah, for a group of people who hate Microsoft, they sure do talk about it a lot.
Can the fact that Microsoft is involved with a project totally negate the fact that it's fighting crime and Open Source.
Let's exchange Microsoft with say... The BSD Project.
Headline: "The BSD Team releases Open Source tool to help fight Child Porn"
Slashdot: "Oh this is the greatest thing in the world! Hugz and kisses!", then then many lengthy 'me too' posts on how Open Source really, really rules and this is the kind of stuff that will put OS on the map.
Some Slashdot users: "In Soviet Russia, child porn fights you!"
If you can't grasp sarcsam, perhaps you should stop reading Slashdot.
I don't need more of you drunk bastards clogging up the streets down here. The taxis and gawkers make it bad enough.
If they'd cancel/move DEFCON, I'd be able to breathe a lot easier (if not from the hordes of script kiddies not being here, at least from the masses of unwashed bodies being somewhere else)