1. where do you think AI would originate from? You or IT?
You who can't grasp code or how computers work can never understand how far away we are. I write the scripts btw, without me there are no scripts, then I adjust those scripts based on business needs, so they don't just infinitely run correctly, they become obsolete.
If people in this thread are citing "advancements" in neural programming, please cite your source, until then please refer to the first sentence of my OP.
I would love to see the source code for human reasoning, I would feel blessed, I also accept I probably never will.
I did pick up an interesting argument though, some people are probably right that given a long enough time frame it may be achievable, but here's the question, if we are a bag of chemicals and make the SAME EXACT bag of chemicals to replicate us, isn't that cloning, not AI? and say we mix that bag of chemicals with mechanic parts, that's human augmentation, currently being done to amputees on some level today. So where does that leave true pure AI in terms of how do we make it?
How exactly would follow the path to making AI? how would we ever know we've completed our task? 1 trillion lines of source code? 2 trillion?
As we stand, we can't replicate a human finger, much less an eye or a brain, I know that there have been experiments in giving blind people sight through electric synopsis, but they STILL HAVE EYES, just defective, fixing a broken tail light on a car vs building a car is a completely different beast.
If the website redirects to an iframe (I thought these got phased out in like HTML4???) and tries to install malware, and there is no user interaction involved... what exactly is the browser doing?
On that note, noscript, greasemonkey w/ script, and any addon that allows the blocking of the iframe tag should keep you safe, but then again how often do you visit mysql.com?:)
I read some of the article and it appears to be a futurist's ramblings on what s/he thinks robots will do, of course they will go terminator style eventually and kill us all, etc..
1. Please please replace my IT job with a robot, I would love to see it fail, and do nothing about it. 2. The concept of AI is beyond the scope of this article, but I believe the consensus is that it is not truelly achievable meaning... robots will never be able to: emotionally reason, have consciousness, or reproduce short of a factory.
I wouldn't hire a robot lawyer... what if the DA is plea bargaining, what if a bit of social engineering is required? : robotic processor overload.
All in all, I don't feel threatened, if they could take the fast food jobs, then HMMM:)
The force that would cause that would be gravity I believe, you might be right, but density is what controls the gravity / pull of a star I believe. I was thinking more along the lines of a radius and the increase in circumference from an increase in diameter via the pD formula. I couldn't find definitive answer either way though, I'm assuming they are independent of each other and is based more on the density of the star rather than size.
The further out the planet, and the bigger the star all factor into increasing the orbit time, so considering this planet is 3x the size of our biggest one (Jupiter) and that has an orbit of about 11 years (the size of Jupiter has nothing to do w/ orbit mostly), it might be a while before we can confirm this, possibly even a century.
Lol, every time I hear the term, it's hard not to laugh. Leadership is only effective when trust and report are behind it, the kind you get from years of working with your managers. The problem is the left hand (board) doesn't talk to the right (employee hierarchical structure). They have no idea who to select from the HP employees, one looks as good as the next. So they are forced to go outside the organization and examine professional CEO track records as well as who's available. Reminds me of a pro sports league, except it's not.. even close in concept...
Javascript is a helper language, I don't get where this debate is originating, if you need advanced functionality, you need server code, it's been available for a bit now in various flavors:.NET, JSP, & php to name a few big ones. Javascript nor html are not even remotely close to replacing server side coding languages. If you kill javascript, here's what will happen: people who's website already have javascript, won't care, people developing websites needing javascript functionality will google that functionality and find the decade old jscript that runs like it should as search result #1.
What debate? lol... technologies get phased out, they don't just die, and there will always be jscript developers even if every IT entity created its own client side scripting language because most of the web will still be using jscript. The only way jscript can die is if the other languages prove to be clearly superior and there is a benefit to businesses to switch. If you tell me to recode my websites cause google came out with a new language, I will probably physically rofl and tell you where to shove it.
In terms of functionality, thats more a question of what is the browser willing to support as the browser is what handles the jscript.
Dunno, I read a lot of the posts in this thread shaking my head, does anybody posting in these threads actually do web development that doesn't involve a geocities successor a blog / feed in a box? I guarantee having a wordpress website doesn't quality you as a web developer, or even an IT tech.
Yep, this is about the only application I can think of, where you have a tera on your spinning disk, and like a 60gb ssd "wrapper", considering the wrapper costs $300~ and the tera is 4 figures, that is the market for this technology.
I still think I'd rather buy a 120, load my HD video from spinning to 120, LOAD windows, all my apps, and games off the SSD, and work on the HD video once it finishes copying. If you can't wait for 24gb to copy off a spinning disk (10 min?) and spend $300 to circumvent it, you better be working in video editing:P
At some point in life "some" of us make the choice to pick up a skill or 2 to help improve our success rates, others are never given this opportunity, others aren't give the opportunity but take it anyways. But as long as your happy, who cares?
I certainly wouldn't be working over 40 hours a week...
Is the knowledge I have worth another 40 though to grand total to 80? What if I can do something cause of the knowledge that takes me 5 minutes that takes another employee 5 days of data entry? HMMM
I would imagine their reasoning relates directly into bad parenting, human beings are social creatures and these kids have probably spent A LOT of their lives on the computer to get good enough to break into enterprise systems at a young age. I seriously remember getting this from several people in college a few years ago... http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/manifesto.html . I seriously think some hacker's morals are strongly affected by this, and its basically a one may fall many will rise kind of deal.
I don't know if new generation would be a good way to put it, more like FOBs to the scene. I really hope they at least used Linux if only for the tighter granular control, though reading the hidemyass.com story here a day or so ago, makes me wonder, and thus my conclusion: script kiddie.
I'll also be straight forward here: Kevin Mitnik (overconfident ahole) and a few others were the ONLY professional hackers really caught for anything. They nail people for identity theft and stuff all the time, but do you hear the names of the people who hacked the credit card companies coming up? No, google brings up nil.
Lastly, to below post: C developers make fun of.NET developers all the time cause of the low level closer to the processor commands approach. Assembly coders (too nerdy to meet in r/l?) probably look down on C developers for using one of them compiler thingies. There is a concrete definition though: a script kiddie is somebody who runs hacking tools w/o the proper knowledge of them. So using ettercap without knowing what it actually does will intercept passwords for you if you follow the how to, but the dumb hacker goes in from their place of residence, gets their IP logged, and we don't hear from them for a decade out of DOC.
Perhaps you should get to know a law enforcement official however that looks for you, your statement is a joke, if you think police don't set people up on minor things like tickets to generate revenue, then you don't live in the states.
Speed change zones, we have zones in my state unofficially called [random name] trap. These are zones that are like... 75 mph freeway to 35 mph town road in an instant. Ya they park cops there, but those get tired, need bathroom breaks, don't pay attention, and stop working as good after they've reached their quota. A speed camera? Public outrage at the 40mph difference, they try to be subtle. A drone or a van? Profit!
Now I want to make it very clear, most locals don't fall for these and know where they are, but sometimes people forget and out of state people are left up to luck.
You can make the argument not to speed, but cops lower speed limits on major roads deliberately to make people speed based on their common sense rather than sense of law.
Or how about properly addressing the events that led up to all this to begin with?
Addressing China would start a war, I'd say just cut their land line and be done w/ it, don't even bother rerouting packets, but what do i know...
Also, everybody that has been arrested is under 30, let me stress that, EVERYBODY. They're not arresting security professionals here with masters degrees and 20 years industry knowledge, they're arresting script kiddies that somehow felt they could make a difference through anarchism.
The difference is these kids now have the internet, and schools are catching up as to where these kids could at least pass through the door to how to use a computer to do things that aren't brain dead obvious.
I'll be quite frank, your opinion isn't enough to bring back webOS. But knock windows 7 on a tablet? Only a newb would do that, they mainly design for IT, but still....exe on the go offers unlimited possibilities at an admittedly crappy performance rate. I've found it to be more convenient than say a 13" laptop, it's not enough to try it though, it's got a learning curve;)
They aren't trying to catch a pedo here, but somebody w/ the knowledge to break into computer systems. Of course he will challenge the law in every single manner he can think of to win his freedom. You can call it an attempt to get off the hook, except what the FBI is doing is in violation of the 4th by not obtaining legal permission to use their technology and furthermore it's unethical, these people are paid to protect us, not spy on us, if I need protection that only the FBI can provide I'd ask!
A lot closer to the issue, why the author might have some social responsibility that translates into legal. I think it should be all or nothing though, disclose everything in the field and let the community sort it out (GPL), or keep a bunch of trade secrets and rely on those to do your job. Though one sounds a lot more ethical, both are working for people as I type this. Books that subvert law enforcement are considered grey on the scale of ethics, and though a book may not be the most direct application of ethics, the thought goes along the lines of "why are snuff films banned in the states?". It's just a film after all right, same medium (the TV) as Saturday morning cartoons. It's a tough argument to uphold, and as mentioned above is more academic, as DA's in post-Bush America don't have the funding to prosecute everyone they need to, much less reaching for accomplices along far strung lines of ethics. It would also have to be a very special case where there is a direct link between the book and the case, such as information that is ONLY found in that book was used in the case.
P.S. I like ccleaner and tuneup utlities for my hard drive cleaning, tuneup costs $20 or so for the less resourceful, and it's worth every penny. CCleaner is free, that's for inside windows, if you want to wipe the hard drive with every last bit of data, use a linux live cd and the dd command such as backtrack and "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1" or along those lings, specifying a block size speeds things up tons. I've had very poor success in getting dban to even recognize hardware sometimes.
There's a very grey line here that may not be so obvious, I remember how the first was explained to me in school, it's ok to yell "f the government" in front of capital hill, but it's not ok to yell fire in a packed movie theater room. That's because the latter can cause harm onto others, thus imposing the consequences of your speech onto others and there are consequences for doing that.
The point is you can speculate all you want, you will never know, it happened, move on:)
Also, spam filters work like... they either block 100% of the offending content or 0%, not 1%, or 2%.
Your emails are failing because of... lack of spooling / server load, bugs in your rewards program email generator, something along those lines. I've never seen an email work 50% of the time, it either works to begin w/ or something needs modding, emails don't disappear, there's a final status on the email servers for every last one of them, SMTP servers respond to telnet string commands, etc..., that's just us IT people telling you we don't care if you didn't get your email and we don't care why (there's usually a stupid reason). Let the conspiracy theories flourish, the internet is boring w/o them! Or at least open your mind rofl, good quote btw.
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Ah, the good ol' internet argument, here goes...
1. where do you think AI would originate from? You or IT?
You who can't grasp code or how computers work can never understand how far away we are. I write the scripts btw, without me there are no scripts, then I adjust those scripts based on business needs, so they don't just infinitely run correctly, they become obsolete.
If people in this thread are citing "advancements" in neural programming, please cite your source, until then please refer to the first sentence of my OP.
I would love to see the source code for human reasoning, I would feel blessed, I also accept I probably never will.
I did pick up an interesting argument though, some people are probably right that given a long enough time frame it may be achievable, but here's the question, if we are a bag of chemicals and make the SAME EXACT bag of chemicals to replicate us, isn't that cloning, not AI? and say we mix that bag of chemicals with mechanic parts, that's human augmentation, currently being done to amputees on some level today. So where does that leave true pure AI in terms of how do we make it?
How exactly would follow the path to making AI? how would we ever know we've completed our task? 1 trillion lines of source code? 2 trillion?
As we stand, we can't replicate a human finger, much less an eye or a brain, I know that there have been experiments in giving blind people sight through electric synopsis, but they STILL HAVE EYES, just defective, fixing a broken tail light on a car vs building a car is a completely different beast.
Then we've know this for a while....
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0002NC
Yep, computers aren't even close, this is a limit we may one day break though, but then there's all the other boundaries to pass...
Forgot to mention TOR blocks these kinds of redirects.
If the website redirects to an iframe (I thought these got phased out in like HTML4???) and tries to install malware, and there is no user interaction involved... what exactly is the browser doing?
Being really stupid...
http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/p/Blackhole-Exploit-Kit.htm
On that note, noscript, greasemonkey w/ script, and any addon that allows the blocking of the iframe tag should keep you safe, but then again how often do you visit mysql.com? :)
Your right, I haven't studied this in too long I should stop talking :)
I read some of the article and it appears to be a futurist's ramblings on what s/he thinks robots will do, of course they will go terminator style eventually and kill us all, etc..
1. Please please replace my IT job with a robot, I would love to see it fail, and do nothing about it.
2. The concept of AI is beyond the scope of this article, but I believe the consensus is that it is not truelly achievable meaning... robots will never be able to: emotionally reason, have consciousness, or reproduce short of a factory.
I wouldn't hire a robot lawyer... what if the DA is plea bargaining, what if a bit of social engineering is required? : robotic processor overload.
All in all, I don't feel threatened, if they could take the fast food jobs, then HMMM :)
The force that would cause that would be gravity I believe, you might be right, but density is what controls the gravity / pull of a star I believe. I was thinking more along the lines of a radius and the increase in circumference from an increase in diameter via the pD formula. I couldn't find definitive answer either way though, I'm assuming they are independent of each other and is based more on the density of the star rather than size.
Paranoia
The further out the planet, and the bigger the star all factor into increasing the orbit time, so considering this planet is 3x the size of our biggest one (Jupiter) and that has an orbit of about 11 years (the size of Jupiter has nothing to do w/ orbit mostly), it might be a while before we can confirm this, possibly even a century.
It's called a troll...
The non-troll way to say it would be "I'm so happy VLC is coming to the android, my life is complete and the sun is shining"
Contribute good code and people will thank you, crash their computer and they may have a few things to say, imagine that :)
The problem is professional CEOs.
Lol, every time I hear the term, it's hard not to laugh. Leadership is only effective when trust and report are behind it, the kind you get from years of working with your managers. The problem is the left hand (board) doesn't talk to the right (employee hierarchical structure). They have no idea who to select from the HP employees, one looks as good as the next. So they are forced to go outside the organization and examine professional CEO track records as well as who's available. Reminds me of a pro sports league, except it's not.. even close in concept...
Javascript is a helper language, I don't get where this debate is originating, if you need advanced functionality, you need server code, it's been available for a bit now in various flavors: .NET, JSP, & php to name a few big ones. Javascript nor html are not even remotely close to replacing server side coding languages. If you kill javascript, here's what will happen: people who's website already have javascript, won't care, people developing websites needing javascript functionality will google that functionality and find the decade old jscript that runs like it should as search result #1.
What debate? lol... technologies get phased out, they don't just die, and there will always be jscript developers even if every IT entity created its own client side scripting language because most of the web will still be using jscript. The only way jscript can die is if the other languages prove to be clearly superior and there is a benefit to businesses to switch. If you tell me to recode my websites cause google came out with a new language, I will probably physically rofl and tell you where to shove it.
In terms of functionality, thats more a question of what is the browser willing to support as the browser is what handles the jscript.
Dunno, I read a lot of the posts in this thread shaking my head, does anybody posting in these threads actually do web development that doesn't involve a geocities successor a blog / feed in a box? I guarantee having a wordpress website doesn't quality you as a web developer, or even an IT tech.
Lol, you trying to build a web application with javascript or something? I hear mcdonalds is hiring.
Yep, this is about the only application I can think of, where you have a tera on your spinning disk, and like a 60gb ssd "wrapper", considering the wrapper costs $300~ and the tera is 4 figures, that is the market for this technology.
I still think I'd rather buy a 120, load my HD video from spinning to 120, LOAD windows, all my apps, and games off the SSD, and work on the HD video once it finishes copying. If you can't wait for 24gb to copy off a spinning disk (10 min?) and spend $300 to circumvent it, you better be working in video editing :P
At some point in life "some" of us make the choice to pick up a skill or 2 to help improve our success rates, others are never given this opportunity, others aren't give the opportunity but take it anyways. But as long as your happy, who cares?
I certainly wouldn't be working over 40 hours a week...
Is the knowledge I have worth another 40 though to grand total to 80? What if I can do something cause of the knowledge that takes me 5 minutes that takes another employee 5 days of data entry? HMMM
I would imagine their reasoning relates directly into bad parenting, human beings are social creatures and these kids have probably spent A LOT of their lives on the computer to get good enough to break into enterprise systems at a young age. I seriously remember getting this from several people in college a few years ago...
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/manifesto.html . I seriously think some hacker's morals are strongly affected by this, and its basically a one may fall many will rise kind of deal.
I don't know if new generation would be a good way to put it, more like FOBs to the scene. I really hope they at least used Linux if only for the tighter granular control, though reading the hidemyass.com story here a day or so ago, makes me wonder, and thus my conclusion: script kiddie.
I'll also be straight forward here: Kevin Mitnik (overconfident ahole) and a few others were the ONLY professional hackers really caught for anything. They nail people for identity theft and stuff all the time, but do you hear the names of the people who hacked the credit card companies coming up? No, google brings up nil.
Lastly, to below post: C developers make fun of .NET developers all the time cause of the low level closer to the processor commands approach. Assembly coders (too nerdy to meet in r/l?) probably look down on C developers for using one of them compiler thingies. There is a concrete definition though: a script kiddie is somebody who runs hacking tools w/o the proper knowledge of them. So using ettercap without knowing what it actually does will intercept passwords for you if you follow the how to, but the dumb hacker goes in from their place of residence, gets their IP logged, and we don't hear from them for a decade out of DOC.
Perhaps you should get to know a law enforcement official however that looks for you, your statement is a joke, if you think police don't set people up on minor things like tickets to generate revenue, then you don't live in the states.
Speed change zones, we have zones in my state unofficially called [random name] trap. These are zones that are like... 75 mph freeway to 35 mph town road in an instant. Ya they park cops there, but those get tired, need bathroom breaks, don't pay attention, and stop working as good after they've reached their quota. A speed camera? Public outrage at the 40mph difference, they try to be subtle. A drone or a van? Profit!
Now I want to make it very clear, most locals don't fall for these and know where they are, but sometimes people forget and out of state people are left up to luck.
You can make the argument not to speed, but cops lower speed limits on major roads deliberately to make people speed based on their common sense rather than sense of law.
Or how about properly addressing the events that led up to all this to begin with?
Addressing China would start a war, I'd say just cut their land line and be done w/ it, don't even bother rerouting packets, but what do i know...
Also, everybody that has been arrested is under 30, let me stress that, EVERYBODY. They're not arresting security professionals here with masters degrees and 20 years industry knowledge, they're arresting script kiddies that somehow felt they could make a difference through anarchism.
The difference is these kids now have the internet, and schools are catching up as to where these kids could at least pass through the door to how to use a computer to do things that aren't brain dead obvious.
I'm sure they won't be the last...
Our society is broken and people still wonder...
A ticket in the mail???
Or watch them better so the police can entrap victims and raise their quotas and ROIs.
I'll be quite frank, your opinion isn't enough to bring back webOS. But knock windows 7 on a tablet? Only a newb would do that, they mainly design for IT, but still... .exe on the go offers unlimited possibilities at an admittedly crappy performance rate. I've found it to be more convenient than say a 13" laptop, it's not enough to try it though, it's got a learning curve ;)
Well, what did they expect?
They aren't trying to catch a pedo here, but somebody w/ the knowledge to break into computer systems. Of course he will challenge the law in every single manner he can think of to win his freedom. You can call it an attempt to get off the hook, except what the FBI is doing is in violation of the 4th by not obtaining legal permission to use their technology and furthermore it's unethical, these people are paid to protect us, not spy on us, if I need protection that only the FBI can provide I'd ask!
A lot closer to the issue, why the author might have some social responsibility that translates into legal. I think it should be all or nothing though, disclose everything in the field and let the community sort it out (GPL), or keep a bunch of trade secrets and rely on those to do your job. Though one sounds a lot more ethical, both are working for people as I type this. Books that subvert law enforcement are considered grey on the scale of ethics, and though a book may not be the most direct application of ethics, the thought goes along the lines of "why are snuff films banned in the states?". It's just a film after all right, same medium (the TV) as Saturday morning cartoons. It's a tough argument to uphold, and as mentioned above is more academic, as DA's in post-Bush America don't have the funding to prosecute everyone they need to, much less reaching for accomplices along far strung lines of ethics. It would also have to be a very special case where there is a direct link between the book and the case, such as information that is ONLY found in that book was used in the case.
P.S. I like ccleaner and tuneup utlities for my hard drive cleaning, tuneup costs $20 or so for the less resourceful, and it's worth every penny. CCleaner is free, that's for inside windows, if you want to wipe the hard drive with every last bit of data, use a linux live cd and the dd command such as backtrack and "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1" or along those lings, specifying a block size speeds things up tons. I've had very poor success in getting dban to even recognize hardware sometimes.
Tablets run android and win 7 and soon win 8, why? -- all I have to ask of parent.
There's a very grey line here that may not be so obvious, I remember how the first was explained to me in school, it's ok to yell "f the government" in front of capital hill, but it's not ok to yell fire in a packed movie theater room. That's because the latter can cause harm onto others, thus imposing the consequences of your speech onto others and there are consequences for doing that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States and to make things worse...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
This spills over into books just as easily, make sense?
The point is you can speculate all you want, you will never know, it happened, move on :)
Also, spam filters work like... they either block 100% of the offending content or 0%, not 1%, or 2%.
Your emails are failing because of... lack of spooling / server load, bugs in your rewards program email generator, something along those lines. I've never seen an email work 50% of the time, it either works to begin w/ or something needs modding, emails don't disappear, there's a final status on the email servers for every last one of them, SMTP servers respond to telnet string commands, etc..., that's just us IT people telling you we don't care if you didn't get your email and we don't care why (there's usually a stupid reason). Let the conspiracy theories flourish, the internet is boring w/o them! Or at least open your mind rofl, good quote btw.