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FBI Arrests LulzSec and Anonymous Hackers
Velcroman1 writes "The FBI arrested two alleged members of the hacking collectives LulzSec and Anonymous on Thursday morning in San Francisco and Phoenix. Search warrants were also being executed in New Jersey, Minnesota and Montana, an FBI official told FoxNews.com. A document purported to come from the FBI leaked online earlier this month called these hacker groups a national security threat. One individual was described as part of the LulzSec group, the other belongs to the group that calls itself Anonymous, the official said. The suspected hacker arrested in California is homeless and alleged to have been involved in the hacking of Santa Cruz County government websites."
I guess he wasn't so Anonymous after all. ... unlike me!
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I can hear it now. They are political prisoners!
Did anyone not see this coming? Even after the last round of arrests, folks somehow assumed the rest of them were in the clear...
Tonight we get to hear from our security expert why the FBI website has gone down. More at six.
There is nothing of greater threat to national security than a HOMELESS hacker. Though I guess it is good as any excuse to get such riff-raft off the curbs. Why just the other day I saw this homeless person and immediately thought; you know, that person is probably a real threat to my countries security and needs FBI involvement to justify their jailing.
My karma is not a Chameleon.
How did they find him exactly?
I would have thought being homeless was a pretty darn good evasion method.
I suppose it's more of a living with a friend and not paying rent kinda thing. Article gives no further information that I can see.
How they know the homeless guy did it, yes I know its not impossible for people to get on a computer, but unless the guy had a freaking home office in his box its probably going to be on shared computers
this will be interesting when there is more than a 1 paragraph blurb
And the silly idjots thot their conversations were private ...
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It's a good thing the FBI is swatting at these gnats, diverting resources from investigating Chinese hacking, rampant industrial espionage, or the ubiquitous banking fraud. Fantastic work, G-men! You're making us proud.
He got caught because he REGISTERED his username on the internet. This breaks rule #1 of the internet, what's posted cannot be unposted.
I was reading the court indictment wondering if they were somehow able to trace a proxy after the fact of use, which with something like TOR is quite the feat, but no, dude signed up to hidemyass.com, used the SAME user name, and thus will now meet Bubba in prison. Ah, the world of hacking, a mistake, and its your ass.
Yeah, that's part of the hilarity with these lulsec/anonymous kids. They keep picking fights with ginormously powerful entities which would not think twice about tossing them into small cells at the bottom of a deep holes, yet they seem to feel these Death Star Agencies and Corporations will back off due to the punks' mad skillz with internet servers.
In Chicago, they call that "bringing a knife to a gun fight."
The suspected hacker arrested in California is homeless
Well, he had a perfectly nice van down by the river, until his fellow hackers on steroids decided to blow it up for the lulz.
I just figured out a statement like that could happen in third world governments. Now I know where they learned to lie from. Come on, guys, declare your are not able to find where the hackers are. A few script kiddies looking for fame will declare they are...
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Guess I shouldn't expect much better from Fox News.
Captcha was "wiretaps".
If national security can be threatened by Anonymous or Lulz, it seems to me we don't have much in the way of national security.
Is it just me, or does this seem to be ramping up into the latest excuse for abuse of detention powers? The jackboots-in-charge need SOMETHING now that the labels "communist", "child pornographer", "terrorist", and "leaker" have long since been debunked.
So it looks like "anonymous/lulzsec" is the latest one.
In the article, on the last page of the indictment, the foreperson is signed as "/s/"
I know "/b" is the virtual home of Anonymous, but never knew that "Beautiful Sexy Women" was filled with so much government powers. Explains a lot, actually...
The best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit.
What most likely happened is that these guys were arrested by IP because of a DoS attack they participated in after wich investigators found proof of other hacks on their computer.
he just doesnt want them to find the server farm
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Where can you plug your notebook in on the street?
"We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us." :)
- The FBI's new slogan
No, the point is it is funny. That is it. Anonymous is in it for the lulz. If some of the horde gets taken out nobody really cares.
Also "LulzSec" are actually pretty terrible at hacking. Most of it is really low rent exploits and social engineering which is why it is so amusing how much "damage" they have caused. The only thing that makes them a cut above a thousand other minor hackers is that they are publicising it, which is exactly the best way to piss the corporations off. They don't care that much about the intrusions, just that their customers are finding out how unsafe these "trusted" companies are.
P.S. The real dangerous hackers live in non-extradition countries and have thugs with guns at hand. They aren't scared of the FBI.
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Homeless does not necessarily mean on the street. It could also mean "of no fixed address". Someone who couch surfs among a group of friends every few days or weeks is considered "homeless" but still has a place to stay and an internet connection to use.
I dunno, reading some of the "Anonymous" releases makes me think they believe they can actually change the world by what they are doing. They get pretty lofty and poetic for being in it strictly "for teh lulz". Not that it wasn't funny/important/damning what they did, but eliciting social change? History will decide, and take a while to do so.
You were critically hit for no damage. The bruise will look nice, and maybe the scars will make good party talk.
As I pointed out in a post to the last thread on the topic:
1. All documents will have a clear sender and a clear recipient (or set of recipients) that reflect themselves in the way the document is written.
2. One of the more notable ways the sender and recipient are reflected is in what knowledge the document builds on (for the sender) and presumes exist in the recipient.
3. Even in the extremely unlikely situation that the sender really is some kind of separate FBI technogeek cave there was no identifiable recipient based on the presumed-knowledge theory - apart from the average teenage 4channer who think himself intelligent but is scared of the cops. No conceivable broad external group of FBI agents can exist that have the knowledge presumed of the so-called FBI recipients.
Yes, the document presumed the knowledge of, and was addressed to, 4chan. No FBI involved. I would hope this should be evident to anyone who reads it.
"He who lulz last, lulz best"
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
I guess we can all sleep at night now. They finally brought these 2 heinous groups down. Who'd have thought they were hiding in plain sight on the streets of LA?!?! Good work FBI... now you can focus on more important crimes like people downloading music and such.
Wow...!!!!! This arrest happened outside our coffee shop this morning. I know the homeless guy!
That's because when you get ten Anonymous together, you'll have twelve different opinions. The media will (of course) cite the most newsworthy sounding statements, not "I'm just bored" or "I wonder whether we can take 'em down".
Is nobody embarassed by the fact that the website of a big organization can be affected by something as simple as an SQL injection?
I've searched many of the other major news agency websites including the AP, BBC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. I have not been able to find this story anywhere else which doesn't mean that it is not true but that it may be that Fox took a few liberties with the story or that they have some secret insider at the FBI. Here in Minneapolis I've checked the Star tribune which is a good source of local MN news and the only thing it has is about how a police officer shot an woman who displayed an handgun during a traffic stop on a major freeway. Now that seems to be a bit more news worthy than some homeless guy in Cali that allegedly, and is 100% innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, was involved or knew of attacks on some corporation. Unfortunately I've found that I just can't take News Corps word on a story until I have read the accounts from at least 2 other news agencies.
I've searched many of the other major news agency websites including the AP, BBC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. I have not been able to find this story anywhere else which doesn't mean that it is not true but that it may be that Fox took a few liberties with the story or that they have some secret insider at the FBI. Here in Minneapolis I've checked the Star tribune which is a good source of local MN news and the only thing it has is about how a police officer shot an woman who displayed an handgun during a traffic stop on a major freeway. Now that seems to be a bit more news worthy than some homeless guy in Cali that allegedly, and is 100% innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, was involved or knew of attacks on some corporation. Unfortunately I've found that I just can't take News Corps word on a story until I have read the accounts from at least 2 other news agencies.
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
Our government really does not need to get into opposition with a pile of skilled hackers. The hackers may well win. Further the revelations released by outfits like Wikileaks seem to offer far more good than bad to the American public. Maybe we can get past the point where we have people in government who do nothing but lie and spread manure to foreign governments. Why not simply make government completely transparent. Are we to really believe that our nation can only exist if we lie, sneak about and betray? We have way too much nonsense in the name of supposed national security.
P.S. The real dangerous hackers live in China and have thugs with guns at hand. They aren't scared of the FBI.
There, fixed that for you ^_^
I don't think hackers means what you think it means.
Yours is the most intelligent comment so far, and spot on.
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When Socrates was arrested for undermining Athenian democracy, just like these guys were arrested for undermining USAian democracy, he asked to be given free room and board for a year in the manner of the Olympic athletes. He claims that he was instilling virtue in the youth, the court system of the day disagreed with him, and instead gave him death. However, the USA is more enlightened, and we can really appreciate freedom of thought. I suspect these guys will be rewarded with free room and board for years, and years to come. We believe that everyone who questions the system should be given a place to live, free medical care, and plenty of guards to look after their safety.
-Long live freedom, and the prison industrial complex.
" an FBI official told FoxNews.com"
Where's the exploding van? Can't be a Fux Nooz story about "hackers on steriods" without an exploding van!
These scum posted thousands of stolen passwords. It is reported pay p@l accounts were compromised. How loudly you would cry if the acts of these criminals lead to your identity theft. Thank you FBI!
When someone homes, it has to do with directory not location.
A house isn't just a roof over one's head, and it is different than a home.
When a man without house and isn't homing, is forced by government regulations to associate to a Title for which they have not been afforded then that is FRAUD.
Addressing is a title, where if in name then it is by association yet if by number then it is be private conduct particularly of banking.
Address: The Secretary, The Clerk, The Treasurer, Grand Master, The State, The County, The City, The Lyon, et al.
Address: 12345 ABC Street, general delivery, et al for banking.
Address: Microsoft Corporation, ATTN: John Doe, secretary, public relations, human resources, et al for private incorporation.
When they call you a HOMELESS, they are trying to pain you with regulations to their advantage by massaging that new definition from their regulations. Before, homeless had nothing to do with anything but Mail carriers and Sea-born aircraft returning to their carrier. Homeless before regulation was nothing more than a state of mind. Goverment regulations are using their definition of "homeless" to force the association of that person to the articles of association to some federal venue incorporating out of their banking mailbox or a perprestured private corporation that resembles your name as a corporate sole.
Chinese hackers mainly mess with sites that criticize China, or try to steal IP. The real *criminal* hackers who steal lots of money and valuables are found in Russia, Belarus, the Ukraine...
In Chicago, they call that "bringing a knife to a gun fight."
I once took my wife to a bun fight, does that count?
uhhhhh.... how does habeas corpus work for someone called " anonymous "?
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
you SHUT UP about my MOMMA you damn dirty sonofabitch!
and I like wikileaks.
Call me crazy, but I'm kinda on their side. I wonder how history will remember these guys.
Aside from the inner irony of my misguided pride on a post about the arrest of some misguided prided guys, i really read /. A lot and in a few years i have been around this was the very first time I came to a post with no comments, sorry but could not resist the impulse :)
I'm positive, don't belive me look at my karma
"We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."
- The FBI's new slogan :)
yea and they always Fall Back Incredulously
ginormously powerful entities which would not think twice about tossing them into small cells at the bottom of a deep holes
The fact that any organization (government, corporate, or other) can choose to do this at their discretion is what gives me some sympathy for the hackers.
Fucking hell
SUSPECTED LulzSec and Anomymous Hackers
SUSPECTED you fucking idiot headline writers.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Jesus christ this really gets my goat.
Except in boolean logic.
In democratic USA, Sony hack you.
lol
or it just means that the FBI have better hacker or made a deal with some Anonymous or lulzsec members to get to the others.
ok...we're gonna make these easy for you. If you keep refusing to force it out naturally, we're may have to use The Instant Nuke...make no mistake, its no gentle gentle "Care Bear" laxative. Ant thats being nice. You don't wanna know about the PNF (Probe Named Fang)....
i still have a hard time being convinced that the FBI actually capture the correct people. i mean, if i were a hacker i would go to great lengths to make everything point to someone else. likely another hacker whom i dont get along with. of course, all of those indications would appear like that person attempted to hide themselves - to make it seem more likey. ans short of having a hardware keylogger on the suspects machine where the commands used to perform the attacks originated from, i can't see how they ever prove that wasn't the case.
I routinely get modded down for this, due to the particular fairly blinkered "pro-cracktivist" attitude at Facebook. The old notion that "disagreeing with something is not a valid reason to mod someone down" goes completely out the window on this issue. But the Anonymous/LulzSec "hacktivists" are actually criminals and should be investigated and arrested if found.
Sometimes their intentions have been relatively "noble", other times it has seemed to be mainly for the lulz. In any case, society does not accept vigilantism, whether it is on-line or on the streets.
The "The police must have something better to do"-attitude is also unhelpful and unrealistic. This would imply that the police should always go after the biggest cases and criminals leaving every small crime unsolved, even though you sometimes can't fix the big issues and the small issues sometimes grow into bigger issues later on. Just like in software development, sometimes you have to fix the easy, low-hanging fruit. It is also not like the FBI dropped everything else just to get LulzSec.
Now, I can agree with the notion that they may well get overly shafted from this. But they knew the risks, and some of them have caused millions of pounds of damages (*). At times like this I'd like to quote the Libertines: "they boy kicked out at the world, the world kicked back a lot fucking harder" and the Feds are just about to kick back quite fucking hard.
(*) I'm sure I'll get responses saying someone else would have done worse if LulzSec/Anonymous didn't get there first. Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse them.
They are charging him with "causing intentional damage to a protected computer." But since he did it in coordination with others, they can add the "conspiracy to" charge as well.
Conspiracy is also used when people are planning a crime, and there is clear evidence of such, but they haven't yet commited the crime. If you don't like this concept, maybe you'd rather the police sit back and let a group plotting to kill you do it so the prosecutor can get actual murder charges instead of just conspiracy to murder.
No, They are scared of the CIA.
Those lulz and anon guys r too idiot, they manage to get caught. /facepalm.
... works if it's inside jobs... inside a country, inside a place you control.
I prefer Anonymous to lulz us, I prefer lulzsec to lol us, then a foreign evil place (insert country/company/disgruntled rich man) with INFINITELY MORE RESOURCES than these kiddies.
And let's be honest, if they can do it, The Evil Place can do it 10 times better.
Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave,Dave, and Dave beat you to it.
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That's just bullshit to justify/rationalize what they are doing.
Believe all that as much as you believe a financial analyst on why today's market went up/down.
totally , this is just a smoke screen for the soccer moms about fbi looking like it's doing something , pathetic
So, a couple of small time vandals got arrested. The movement with which they are loosely affiliated is generally considered to be a national security threat. This doesn't mean that every single person is individually a security threat.. this means that a group of people getting organized to disrupt the military and government through cybercrime is a threat. This a big concept to swallow for reactionaries. If one person running down a street breaks a window, then he is a vandal. If a thousand people are running down the street breaking windows, then you have a riot-- and a riot is extremely dangerous. The drug trade is a national security threat. Some hippie who gets stoned and writes Ruby on Rails code while generating bitcoins on his hacked PS3 is not a national security threat-- yet the drug trade as a whole has elevated street criminals to royal status and nearly collapsed the Mexican government. When a politician lies about his personal life, he is dishonest. When he lies about policy, his intentions, and virtually everything else, then he is insidious and anti-social.
Arresting people and holding them accountable for the smaller crimes they commit is a necessary step toward maintaining a peaceful and safe society. If people believed they could do anything they wanted on the internet, even if it is disruptive, expensive, and widely coercive to others, then the activity would exacerbate and the people who would be victimized would feel unsafe. The same is true with hate crimes, rape, or theft. Degenerate people will do whatever they can get away with for attention, out of spite, or just because they feel vindicated by some perceived threat from society at large.
The FBI is extinguishing a lit wastebasket in an effort to prevent-- not directly but conceptually-- a forest fire, yet this forced narrative seems to suggest that they are calling the wastebasket fire a forest fire. There is no indication that they are.
What's funny is that when Anon succeeds in hacking, it is a political win for the underdogs and an unleashing of the voice of freedom; but when Anon fails and has a setback, it is just for lulz and no big deal. When one's mission goals are so vacillating, it's no wonder no one takes them seriously.
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I think we're all bozos on this bust.
lulzsec is not anonymous it is a group of people who didn't agree with how anonymous handled things so they "forked' off into lulzsec. Just getting this straight, anonymous is not part of lulzsec or the other way around. They are separate entities. Oh an its very easy to snag a HOMELESS script kiddie....err I mean hacker and say "OMG hes part of anonymous! We are awesome! Praise us!" When all the while they are actually a bunch of retards that don't understand the difference between a script kiddie, a cracker, and a (any color hat) hacker.
"The real dangerous hackers live in non-extradition countries and have thugs with guns at hand. They aren't scared of the FBI."
Dude, WTF are you talking about? You obviously aren't reading the garbage that's pouring out of your keyboard. These are hackers, not drug cartels. Some definitely live in non-extradition countries, but thugs with guns? Really? LulzSec is in it for the laughs, that I will not deny. But Anonymous is all about shining light on the oppression of the corrupt and greedy over the everyday Joe Schmoe that has to work two jobs to support his family or Nancy Pansy that can't find a job even though she has a degree (and now a $30K+ college loan dangling over her head). Even though Anonymous does use a bit of internet humor from time to time, that's to sarcastically point out how absurd some of these things are that the people in power are doing.
"If some of the horde gets taken out nobody really cares."
Wrong again dude, following these folks on twitter and IRC I see how worked up they get over the loss of another brother/sister to the bureaucratic bulls**t that are today's laws. The fact that large companies (facebook, twitter, yahoo, HMA, local ISP's, etc) are working with law enforcement to either censor or bring down these members of Anonymous in the hopes of finding "the leader." WHAT?! We live in a country that prides itself on the notion of free speech and yet it censors these people that have a different view? bravo...
Let me ask you a question... have you heard about the thousands of protesters (yes, thousands, go look at pictures) that have been on wallstreet for the LAST WEEK -> nonstop? Probably not, why is that? Go scratch your head and do a little more research before you comment on crap you know nothing about. I for one (if you haven't noticed) support what they're doing. Though some of there techniques are a little unorthodox, I believe they're onto something.
isn't that funny, I made you feel foolish, so you bumped off my reply. and no matter what your response is to this post, the undeniable truth is that you couldn't handle what was said in the last post. ...and in the event that you didn't bump it, but someone else (watchful_eye) did, that just goes to prove what my last post was about.
lolololololololololololulzzzzz