1. if it is saved, it is in a file somewhere. If it is in a file somewhere, it can be retrieved with enough persistence.
2. Its an even worse physical location security problem. Say you go to a university computer lab, or browse from work [at lunch or after hours, so as not to loaf on company time, of course;)], and visit sites you'd rather not have folks at that location know you've been to, this feature is another bullet to dodge.
Allowed in the sense that a thinking electorate knowledgable about the issues should not simply sit back and let him waltz in. He should be voted against, protested against, etc. If he wins, then perhaps the masses spoke [always questionable these days] and perhaps I'll look for a new home, as living under his rule will not likely be palatable.
there are 3 evils here:
Voting for Bush [the pro corp, anti tech guy {unless the tech can be used to get more money and cause oppression where ever possible}]
Voting for Gore [a dim bulb who doesn't seem to know how to handle foreign policy, or how to properly deal with all the domestic issues, but he at least has half a clue regarding technology, and civil liberties]
Voting for Nader [yes, he may not be an evil in himself, but a vote for him likely comes at Gore's expense, not Bush's, which means Bush wins and America loses]
Some folks seem to beleive that Bush and Gore are virtually the same man, appearing different only on the surface, and are likely to rule in a similar fashion. This is not true. The fact is, Bush will, if elected, be very likely to pass more laws as odious as DMCA, be very very likely to appoint a few Supreme Court justices [whoa betide any civil liberties cases that fall under the gaze of a conservative majority in the court], and pretty much make a pest of himself for anyone not making 6 figures or more a year. Gore might be part of the machine, and he too might not help the plight of most folk, but hje's far less likely to hurt it. Simple fact is, even if all/. votes Nader, Jane and John Doe won't... they don't read/., they don't know most of the issues, they won't trust the 3rd party. I wish it were otherwise, but the techies of the world are not yet THAT powerful.
BTW, I'm not proud of what must be done, that doesn't change its necessity. All the geeks on/. can't get Nader elected, but if we all vote Gore, we CAN keep Bush from being elected. The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, so I must chose the many and not let Bush slip by, rather than chose myself, sooth my conscience with a vote for Nader, and then watch as Bush makes us all slaves to the big corps and Big Brother [except those who smoke and have guns, the only two freedoms Republicans seem to support]
You can't win... if you omit female pronouns you are accused of being sexist ["Females don't matter enough to be mentioned huh?"] but if you DO include them in an innocent, if somewhat careless [these days one must be careful who one breathes in the presense of], fashion you get accused of being sexist.
The trouble isn't a concern for wasting a vote, at least on my part. More the worry is that 3rd party votes will come mostly out of Gore's constituency, thereby allowing Dubya into the oval office. I've said it before, and I will again, that cannot be allowed to happen. Bush should be kept as far from the White House as possible. My conscience doesn't like voting for Gore, but it likes Bush being elected even less.
PCR worked fine if the sysop had the time to check the message boards. Most of the ones I frequented would dish out harsh penalties for lowsy posters [one line posts eh? not only do you not get credit for those, you now have a PCR of.0000001]. The trouble is on a totally anonymous system, it's hard to go in and smack a user by hand. So the BBS analogy doesn't quite fit.
On Napster [sorry, my only filesharing experience really... GNUtella sounds nice, but I seek mp3's exclusively just now{if it's more than 10 megs, I am NOT trying to suck it down over a 56k}] I share freely my collection... however, I make no promises of sticking around. I have one phone line [can't afford more], I can't tie it up forever. If someone can leech from me during the time I am seking my 4 or 5 songs, fine. If not, well, they should have looked for a cable or DSL user [after all, Napster plainly tells you what speed line a person has]. When I have DSL[i.e. when I can pay for it] I'll leave napster [by then most likely an OpenNap version] open all the time... since there will be no need to free the line for voice calls.
White hat? no... Grey Hat might be a better term... but still useful. After all, if group A, who has no malice, and no intent to harm any property, data, etc. breaks in and says, 'hey, look, this security bites' then group B, who DOES have malice, could easily do so as well. Thus, we need group A to make sure the security is strong enough to protect us from group B. That is Goldstein's point.
BTW, isn't the best way for a security firm to get business breaking into the place they want to protect in the future, to show the owners how much they need that protection?[true, it is best that they arrange this ahead of time with the business in question, but that is a matter of legality and pride, not logic]
Unfortunately, consumers rarely act as a collective group to get prices lowered to a reasonable level. Most figure that since the economy here in the States is doing reasonably well, who cares if stuff costs a bit more then maybe it should? Seems folks have forgotten the power of boycotting.
There always will be a market for faster chips... they are called 'gamers'. True, Windoze/Office might not bog down a GHz, but what about Q3A at 1600 x 1200? As long as there is more power, games will soak it up:)
Just an FYI... not sure how our neighbors to the north in Canada do it, but in the US, a parent is not legally allowed to give their children alcohol, ever. Most of the time this is not pursued, but on the books, that's the way it is. [Damned Puritans]
And the flap, mein freund, is that this law basically allows parents to be LAZY just like movie restrictions et. al. Don't want your kid to see or do something? No problem, YOU the parent need not do anything but work and pay taxes, Big Daddy Gov. will make sure your kiddies don't see or hear or do anything that smacks too much of the Real World. You don't want your kids to see, hear, or do something? Stop them your f***ing self. If you can't, maybe they are old enough to see it anyway, despite what you may think.
For windoze, yes, probably not yet for Linux. They'll have to collect drivers and settings and test various configs to see which ones like Linux [see a recent Maximum PC article on how prefab systems are built for some info]. Besides, once the images ARE done, they still have to pay the support staff, which WILL cost more. So, in the end, installing Linux will cost more for a time. [Mr. Dell's statement is not false, it is merely not descriptive enough. The actual cost of actually installing the software may not be more, but the end sum costs of installing it will be]
Linux probably IS more costly to actually install. It is far, far cheaper to purchase, but installation and config does take longer, plus support costs will be higher, for the time being anyway. As DEll techs get used to Linux and its quirks, the cost in man hours might go down, and hopefully that saving would be passed on, but at the start the cost isn't really far off the mark.
I saw a few comments that confused/disturbed me. Several folks seem to have issues with computer controlled Lego bots. My question is: Why? The way I see it, this is only a Good Thing(tm). The world is getting more technological by the day, isn't it an advantage if the children of the world get accustomed to and profficient with technology as soon as they are able to comprehend it? Also, since Leogs are wide spread and familiar, aren't they a natural bridge from the simple tech of block stacking to the more complex tech of computers? I just don't see the reason for resistence here.
Hmm... one right off the top of my head is GAMES. Quantum Quake, graphics so real it makes current cinematic CGI look fake and ugly. Also, the AI applications would be mind blowing, for games and non games alike. [Think Data from Star Trek]
BTW, you say not for games, but why not? What, because its enjoyable means it doesn't deserve high tech?
If I pay for XYZbps bandwidth, why shouldn't I be able to use that XYZbps as I see fit? All of it for one PC, half for each of two PC's, etc. so long as it all adds up to that XYZbps that I pay for each month, why do they care how I use it? [aside from resale, which is a different debate]
Hundreds of mp3's, new format... Ogg will need a [good!] encoder to tranform mp3's into oggs [and vice versa for quite a while, in order to alieviate 'hey Bob, you got that new [artist X] song?' "Yeah, but only in ogg"...]
If they deliver what they prmoise and make a decent converter, I'll bite
-It is highly inefficent to provide manual censorship [a manually created list and/or personal chaperones]
-It is highly objectionable to provide automatic censorship [too many non offensive sites will be blocked. also, definin offensive is tricky]
-Many leaders, authorities, and citizens demand censorship for varying degrees of people at varying levels.
The solutions:
-If a parent wishes their child[ren] not to see 'anughty' things, they must surpervise them, as it is unreasonable to expect someone else to enforce their opinions.
-An adult who does not wish to see 'naughty' things make elect to turn them off, ignore them, or simply leave, as it is unreasonable for them to expect others to enforce their opinions.
-[a long shot] People must learn to get over the shock, horror, and dismay at seeing another person nude and/or in mid coitus.
The French with authority over a US entity... [shudder]
Seriously though, do the French [1] think it is in any way reasonable to hold someone else responsible for their own moral hang ups? and [2] do they really think they can manage a feat that, so far, not even the US has managed to do?[the feat is to curtail the activities of a large, high profile, and well funded American corporation. M$ gets declared to be abusing monopoly powers, and keeps right on abusing them anyway, does anyone really think Yahoo will stop selling, or allowing the sale, of things that can command high prices just because a government tells them not to?]
It's been said before, quite often, that/. isn't just for group X. You don't game, fine, that's your choice, live long and prosper, etc. etc. But many of us on/., myself included, enjoy a good fragfest every so often, or like a detailed flight sim, etc. etc. So stuff like this is interesting to us. Also, having seen 3D surgical applications in action here at my University, a card with the capabilities they describe could be very useful to the medical and scientific communities. So, really, its gaming, rendering, training, experimenting, simulating, teaching, etc. Not for Joe Average maybe, but far from pointless.
It used to be the chip gods fought over who could get the biggest and baddest into the market first, now we see two stories about how they are, in-the-not-too-distant-if-we-are-lucky-future, GOING to MAYBE demolish the competition. This is getting sad. Maybe someone could increase the clue levels over at Intel, Via, AMD et. al. about vaporware & hype?
Corp A funds University B's high profile, high profit research. University B's journalism dept. finds XYZ bad stuff about Corp A's business practices. Now, this is stuff that REALLY needs to come to light for the public good. But it will really hurt Corp A, and therefore it will likely hurt University B as well [in lost funding for current and future projects]. So, in the interests of the bottom line, University B is likely to sit on XYZ, and society suffers as a result.
So far from the various articles and discussions on C#, C++ still seems to come out ahead. How so? here's the short list:
1. C++ allows for you to import and/or write code blocks in C. 2 languages for the price of one in a sense, which is very useful if, say, the C implementation is easier to code up then the corresponding C++ implementation, but you don't want to lose C++'s other strong points[such as simplified I/O, at least as compared to C]
2. Templated classes. It was mentioned above, C# lacks these, as do many other languages it seems. While the use of them could be cleaned up quite a bit, the idea of template classes is very sound. It allows for the easy set up of a container class that holds basically any other class you put into it. For example, a matrix in C++ is little more than an array of arrays, all of which can also be templated to hold int, float, char, etc. As a simple side project, I once made a 3D matrix by simple templating arrays into a 2d matrix. In C#, it appears doing this would not be nearly as easy or straight forward.
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1. if it is saved, it is in a file somewhere. If it is in a file somewhere, it can be retrieved with enough persistence.
2. Its an even worse physical location security problem. Say you go to a university computer lab, or browse from work [at lunch or after hours, so as not to loaf on company time, of course;)], and visit sites you'd rather not have folks at that location know you've been to, this feature is another bullet to dodge.
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Allowed in the sense that a thinking electorate knowledgable about the issues should not simply sit back and let him waltz in. He should be voted against, protested against, etc. If he wins, then perhaps the masses spoke [always questionable these days] and perhaps I'll look for a new home, as living under his rule will not likely be palatable.
/. votes Nader, Jane and John Doe won't... they don't read /., they don't know most of the issues, they won't trust the 3rd party. I wish it were otherwise, but the techies of the world are not yet THAT powerful.
/. can't get Nader elected, but if we all vote Gore, we CAN keep Bush from being elected. The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, so I must chose the many and not let Bush slip by, rather than chose myself, sooth my conscience with a vote for Nader, and then watch as Bush makes us all slaves to the big corps and Big Brother [except those who smoke and have guns, the only two freedoms Republicans seem to support]
there are 3 evils here:
Voting for Bush [the pro corp, anti tech guy {unless the tech can be used to get more money and cause oppression where ever possible}]
Voting for Gore [a dim bulb who doesn't seem to know how to handle foreign policy, or how to properly deal with all the domestic issues, but he at least has half a clue regarding technology, and civil liberties]
Voting for Nader [yes, he may not be an evil in himself, but a vote for him likely comes at Gore's expense, not Bush's, which means Bush wins and America loses]
Some folks seem to beleive that Bush and Gore are virtually the same man, appearing different only on the surface, and are likely to rule in a similar fashion. This is not true. The fact is, Bush will, if elected, be very likely to pass more laws as odious as DMCA, be very very likely to appoint a few Supreme Court justices [whoa betide any civil liberties cases that fall under the gaze of a conservative majority in the court], and pretty much make a pest of himself for anyone not making 6 figures or more a year. Gore might be part of the machine, and he too might not help the plight of most folk, but hje's far less likely to hurt it. Simple fact is, even if all
BTW, I'm not proud of what must be done, that doesn't change its necessity. All the geeks on
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You can't win... if you omit female pronouns you are accused of being sexist ["Females don't matter enough to be mentioned huh?"] but if you DO include them in an innocent, if somewhat careless [these days one must be careful who one breathes in the presense of], fashion you get accused of being sexist.
... far..
/. ? Is no place safe from Big Brother [and Sister]?
brain... hurts... PC... stupidity... gone... too
On a related note, when did the PC police start to invade
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The trouble isn't a concern for wasting a vote, at least on my part. More the worry is that 3rd party votes will come mostly out of Gore's constituency, thereby allowing Dubya into the oval office. I've said it before, and I will again, that cannot be allowed to happen. Bush should be kept as far from the White House as possible. My conscience doesn't like voting for Gore, but it likes Bush being elected even less.
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PCR worked fine if the sysop had the time to check the message boards. Most of the ones I frequented would dish out harsh penalties for lowsy posters [one line posts eh? not only do you not get credit for those, you now have a PCR of .0000001]. The trouble is on a totally anonymous system, it's hard to go in and smack a user by hand. So the BBS analogy doesn't quite fit.
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On Napster [sorry, my only filesharing experience really... GNUtella sounds nice, but I seek mp3's exclusively just now{if it's more than 10 megs, I am NOT trying to suck it down over a 56k}] I share freely my collection... however, I make no promises of sticking around. I have one phone line [can't afford more], I can't tie it up forever. If someone can leech from me during the time I am seking my 4 or 5 songs, fine. If not, well, they should have looked for a cable or DSL user [after all, Napster plainly tells you what speed line a person has]. When I have DSL[i.e. when I can pay for it] I'll leave napster [by then most likely an OpenNap version] open all the time... since there will be no need to free the line for voice calls.
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White hat? no... Grey Hat might be a better term... but still useful. After all, if group A, who has no malice, and no intent to harm any property, data, etc. breaks in and says, 'hey, look, this security bites' then group B, who DOES have malice, could easily do so as well. Thus, we need group A to make sure the security is strong enough to protect us from group B. That is Goldstein's point.
BTW, isn't the best way for a security firm to get business breaking into the place they want to protect in the future, to show the owners how much they need that protection?[true, it is best that they arrange this ahead of time with the business in question, but that is a matter of legality and pride, not logic]
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Unfortunately, consumers rarely act as a collective group to get prices lowered to a reasonable level. Most figure that since the economy here in the States is doing reasonably well, who cares if stuff costs a bit more then maybe it should? Seems folks have forgotten the power of boycotting.
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There always will be a market for faster chips... they are called 'gamers'. True, Windoze/Office might not bog down a GHz, but what about Q3A at 1600 x 1200? As long as there is more power, games will soak it up:)
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Just an FYI... not sure how our neighbors to the north in Canada do it, but in the US, a parent is not legally allowed to give their children alcohol, ever. Most of the time this is not pursued, but on the books, that's the way it is. [Damned Puritans]
And the flap, mein freund, is that this law basically allows parents to be LAZY just like movie restrictions et. al. Don't want your kid to see or do something? No problem, YOU the parent need not do anything but work and pay taxes, Big Daddy Gov. will make sure your kiddies don't see or hear or do anything that smacks too much of the Real World. You don't want your kids to see, hear, or do something? Stop them your f***ing self. If you can't, maybe they are old enough to see it anyway, despite what you may think.
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1. How long till they port Linux to this? [w/mods of course, maybe using those mini web server gadgets]
2. Imagine a beowulf cluster of these [again modded w/mini computers]
You may all now return to intelligent conversation.
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For windoze, yes, probably not yet for Linux. They'll have to collect drivers and settings and test various configs to see which ones like Linux [see a recent Maximum PC article on how prefab systems are built for some info]. Besides, once the images ARE done, they still have to pay the support staff, which WILL cost more. So, in the end, installing Linux will cost more for a time. [Mr. Dell's statement is not false, it is merely not descriptive enough. The actual cost of actually installing the software may not be more, but the end sum costs of installing it will be]
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Linux probably IS more costly to actually install. It is far, far cheaper to purchase, but installation and config does take longer, plus support costs will be higher, for the time being anyway. As DEll techs get used to Linux and its quirks, the cost in man hours might go down, and hopefully that saving would be passed on, but at the start the cost isn't really far off the mark.
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I saw a few comments that confused/disturbed me. Several folks seem to have issues with computer controlled Lego bots. My question is: Why? The way I see it, this is only a Good Thing(tm). The world is getting more technological by the day, isn't it an advantage if the children of the world get accustomed to and profficient with technology as soon as they are able to comprehend it? Also, since Leogs are wide spread and familiar, aren't they a natural bridge from the simple tech of block stacking to the more complex tech of computers? I just don't see the reason for resistence here.
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Hmm... one right off the top of my head is GAMES. Quantum Quake, graphics so real it makes current cinematic CGI look fake and ugly. Also, the AI applications would be mind blowing, for games and non games alike. [Think Data from Star Trek]
BTW, you say not for games, but why not? What, because its enjoyable means it doesn't deserve high tech?
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Windoze in under 70 megs? where is this lightweight version? As the owner of a rather small HD [6 gig] I'd love to find M$'s space conserving OS;)
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If I pay for XYZbps bandwidth, why shouldn't I be able to use that XYZbps as I see fit? All of it for one PC, half for each of two PC's, etc. so long as it all adds up to that XYZbps that I pay for each month, why do they care how I use it? [aside from resale, which is a different debate]
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Hundreds of mp3's, new format... Ogg will need a [good!] encoder to tranform mp3's into oggs [and vice versa for quite a while, in order to alieviate 'hey Bob, you got that new [artist X] song?' "Yeah, but only in ogg"...]
If they deliver what they prmoise and make a decent converter, I'll bite
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The facts:
-It is highly inefficent to provide manual censorship [a manually created list and/or personal chaperones]
-It is highly objectionable to provide automatic censorship [too many non offensive sites will be blocked. also, definin offensive is tricky]
-Many leaders, authorities, and citizens demand censorship for varying degrees of people at varying levels.
The solutions:
-If a parent wishes their child[ren] not to see 'anughty' things, they must surpervise them, as it is unreasonable to expect someone else to enforce their opinions.
-An adult who does not wish to see 'naughty' things make elect to turn them off, ignore them, or simply leave, as it is unreasonable for them to expect others to enforce their opinions.
-[a long shot] People must learn to get over the shock, horror, and dismay at seeing another person nude and/or in mid coitus.
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The French with authority over a US entity... [shudder]
Seriously though, do the French [1] think it is in any way reasonable to hold someone else responsible for their own moral hang ups? and [2] do they really think they can manage a feat that, so far, not even the US has managed to do?[the feat is to curtail the activities of a large, high profile, and well funded American corporation. M$ gets declared to be abusing monopoly powers, and keeps right on abusing them anyway, does anyone really think Yahoo will stop selling, or allowing the sale, of things that can command high prices just because a government tells them not to?]
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It's been said before, quite often, that /. isn't just for group X. You don't game, fine, that's your choice, live long and prosper, etc. etc. But many of us on /., myself included, enjoy a good fragfest every so often, or like a detailed flight sim, etc. etc. So stuff like this is interesting to us. Also, having seen 3D surgical applications in action here at my University, a card with the capabilities they describe could be very useful to the medical and scientific communities. So, really, its gaming, rendering, training, experimenting, simulating, teaching, etc. Not for Joe Average maybe, but far from pointless.
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It used to be the chip gods fought over who could get the biggest and baddest into the market first, now we see two stories about how they are, in-the-not-too-distant-if-we-are-lucky-future, GOING to MAYBE demolish the competition. This is getting sad. Maybe someone could increase the clue levels over at Intel, Via, AMD et. al. about vaporware & hype?
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The problem lies in this situation:
Corp A funds University B's high profile, high profit research. University B's journalism dept. finds XYZ bad stuff about Corp A's business practices. Now, this is stuff that REALLY needs to come to light for the public good. But it will really hurt Corp A, and therefore it will likely hurt University B as well [in lost funding for current and future projects]. So, in the interests of the bottom line, University B is likely to sit on XYZ, and society suffers as a result.
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So far from the various articles and discussions on C#, C++ still seems to come out ahead. How so? here's the short list:
1. C++ allows for you to import and/or write code blocks in C. 2 languages for the price of one in a sense, which is very useful if, say, the C implementation is easier to code up then the corresponding C++ implementation, but you don't want to lose C++'s other strong points[such as simplified I/O, at least as compared to C]
2. Templated classes. It was mentioned above, C# lacks these, as do many other languages it seems. While the use of them could be cleaned up quite a bit, the idea of template classes is very sound. It allows for the easy set up of a container class that holds basically any other class you put into it. For example, a matrix in C++ is little more than an array of arrays, all of which can also be templated to hold int, float, char, etc. As a simple side project, I once made a 3D matrix by simple templating arrays into a 2d matrix. In C#, it appears doing this would not be nearly as easy or straight forward.
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you say 'Do something *real*.' Please define real. I don't wish to take offense prematurely after all.
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